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Although Apple touts several key features for its latest Mac OS, numerous minor but welcome changes have already been discovered, AppleInsider has learned.

People familiar with the current test version of Mac OS X Leopard report that, like earlier major upgrades to Apple's core software, a host of small but useful updates will accompany the final release.

The most apparent upgrades involve media playback tools, the sources say. A new version of QuickTime included with Leopard will reportedly allow full-screen mode without a QuickTime Pro key, echoing the feature added months before to iTunes. DVD Player will also see a major update with an HD options pane for Blu-Ray and HD DVD discs as well as the opportunity to add DVD cover art and change movie region support on the fly.

Sun's recent ZFS will also appear in a limited form as promised, those aware of its inner workings note. Despite Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz' protests to the contrary, the unique file system will appear as a non-default, read-only format out of the box with write support possibly arriving as a separate update in the future.

Regardless of access, however, ZFS in Leopard will support some of the trademark features, such as instant and low-storage "snapshots" of a disk volume, and cloned copies that can be modified with only a small penalty in terms of disk space.

iChat may also have received a substantial upgrade, according to the claims. Those contacts with mobile phone numbers can be sent an SMS text message -- spurred in part by a desire to integrate with the iPhone. Google's influence is also allegedly present in the instant messaging app and will let Google Talk accounts mix with today's AIM, Jabber, and .Mac users.

Lastly, this emphasis on expanded options may also filter its way into many of the smaller apps, based on the the new information. Users choose the default IM program, similar to the way Safari is used to choose the default browser, and will also be able to explicitly share more than the Public folder on a network. Even Dictionary will have the choice of switching from the Oxford dictionary to Wikipedia, the sources added.

And while it's clear from the impressions provided to AppleInsider that some polish is still needed to refine these features ahead of the October release, those that are reportedly present are comprehensive enough to indicate that Apple will focus many of its less conspicuous efforts on the user experience, rather than on background technology alone.
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Google Talk already uses Jabber, no? I use my Google Talk account with iChat right now.
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Cool. Thanks for the INSIDE info....
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The most apparent upgrades involve media playback tools, the sources say. A new version of QuickTime included with Leopard will reportedly allow full-screen mode without a QuickTime Pro key, echoing the feature added months before to iTunes.

What??? Full-screen video? That can't be possible? I was under the impression that this was such a hard and functioanlly challenging task to perform that ir required lots of development time and effort, and, thus, a small charge of $30 to purchase this. Does this mean that OS X is going to cost $30 more this year?

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Sun's recent ZFS will also appear in a limited form as promised, those aware of its inner workings note. Despite Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz' protests to the contrary, the unique file system will appear as a non-default, read-only format out of the box with write support possibly arriving as a separate update in the future.

Regardless of access, however, ZFS in Leopard will support some of the trademark features, such as instant and low-storage "snapshots" of a disk volume, and cloned copies that can be modified with only a small penalty in terms of disk space.

Call me stupid ("You're stupid!), but if you have read-only access, how can it then do snapshots and copies? And why would you need snapshots if you can't change it?

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iChat may also have received a substantial upgrade, according to the claims. Those contacts with mobile phone numbers can be sent an SMS text message

I thought you could do this already.

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Lastly, this emphasis on expanded options may also filter its way into many of the smaller apps, based on the the new information. Users choose the default IM program, similar to the way Safari is used to choose the default browser, and will also be able to explicitly share more than the Public folder on a network. Even Dictionary will have the choice of switching from the Oxford dictionary to Wikipedia, the sources added.

And that setting will be in...iChat, of course, because where else would such a setting belong but in the app you're trying NOT to use. And Apple does understand that Wikipedia isn't a dictionary, right?
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What??? Full-screen video? That can't be possible? I was under the impression that this was such a hard and functioanlly challenging task to perform that ir required lots of development time and effort, and, thus, a small charge of $30 to purchase this. Does this mean that OS X is going to cost $30 more this year?

It would definitely be a lame way to do it. A fix like that should be put into the Quicktime software download for all OSs.
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Fullscreen video? Nah. They'll remove it before the final version ships.
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And that setting will be in...iChat, of course, because where else would such a setting belong but in the app you're trying NOT to use. And Apple does understand that Wikipedia isn't a dictionary, right?

It isn't, but wiktionary is. That could be used. I'll probably use Oxford anyway.
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What??? Full-screen video? That can't be possible? I was under the impression that this was such a hard and functioanlly challenging task to perform that ir required lots of development time and effort, and, thus, a small charge of $30 to purchase this. Does this mean that OS X is going to cost $30 more this year?

No, all the other pro options are still locked. I'd prefer if Apple actually increased OS X by $1 with AC3 and mpeg-2 support but included QT Pro. I'm sure the number of people buying OS X paying $1 would be more than enough to cover the few people who pay $30 for Quicktime. Higher volume = lower cost.
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DVD Player will also see a major update with an HD options pane for Blu-Ray and HD DVD discs

I've seen this commented on around various places. A lot of mis-information is being spread here. DVD player on my MacBook running 10.4.9 already has an HD pane in preferences, and it's got nothing to do with blu-ray or HD-DVD discs. Both blu-ray and HD-DVD can use MPEG-2, H.264 (up to and including High-Profile) or VC-1 video codecs.

10.4 does not play H.264 High-Profile or VC-1 (VC-1 is supported by the latest flip4mac plugin, I believe. But DVD player does not use QuickTime codecs for playback). Apple added the HD pane to the DVD player when they added "HD" options to DVD Studio Pro, which can output H.264 Main Profile in HD-DVD file-structure format, which can then be burnt to stanard DVDs, and those DVDs tested in Apple's DVD player application.

In other words: move along, nothing to see here.
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Cool. Thanks for the INSIDE info....

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Make the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) the base for the app...and skip the wiki BS.
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are you always retarded like this?

WHOA, why all the anger?
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

I'm sure the number of people buying OS X paying $1 would be more than enough to cover the few people who pay $30 for Quicktime. Higher volume = lower cost.


have you ever seen/read the MPEG-LA's licensing scheme? higher volume does NOT equal drastically lower cost for MPEG-2 licensing.
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have you ever seen/read the MPEG-LA's licensing scheme? higher volume does NOT equal drastically lower cost for MPEG-2 licensing.

I just assumed he meant 'without' the MPEG license, which is extra anyway (its not part of pro, is it, I thought it was on top of it).
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I've seen this commented on around various places. A lot of mis-information is being spread here. DVD player on my MacBook running 10.4.9 already has an HD pane in preferences, and it's got nothing to do with blu-ray or HD-DVD discs. Both blu-ray and HD-DVD can use MPEG-2, H.264 (up to and including High-Profile) or VC-1 video codecs.

10.4 does not play H.264 High-Profile or VC-1 (VC-1 is supported by the latest flip4mac plugin, I believe. But DVD player does not use QuickTime codecs for playback). Apple added the HD pane to the DVD player when they added "HD" options to DVD Studio Pro, which can output H.264 Main Profile in HD-DVD file-structure format, which can then be burnt to stanard DVDs, and those DVDs tested in Apple's DVD player application.

In other words: move along, nothing to see here.

HDCP.
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WHOA, why all the anger?

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Make the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) the base for the app...and skip the wiki BS.

Wow, someone is really taking conservativism to a higher level....

The Oxford ED is the best dictionary (thus the default status), but Wikipedia has considerably more intriguing uses. It can have some errors, but it also has zeitgeist and it has cross references and it has some opinion. You just have to be intelligent about how you use it. Don't be afraid.

I understand the concern, but not the anger. I find that many of my friends who don't like the wiki are usually not comfortable with ambiguity in life and default to authority figures, like Fred Thompson.
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I thought you could do this already.

You can, just create a new, empty message, and enter the phone number as the username. Type your message and it goes off as a SMS text message.
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Oh, yeah.. back to ZFS....

I don't know much about it, but I assume that even if it is set up to be "read only" that means that "write" is also one line of code away. With hardware and software differences between OSes of competing platforms becoming less significant and even between version upgrades of the same OSes, Apple needs to be cutting edge with this kind of technology - as with the Core technologies.

Make life easier on developers and more elegant for consumers and more reliable for businesses and Apple will continue to improve market share incrementally. Then when enough evolutionary steps are made under the hood, the occasional revolutionary product can be released - a la iPhone.

This is the underlying strategy that Microsoft is either too large or too arrogant to really adopt. They would rather add stuff willy-nilly and buy their way out of dead ends, than embody a culture of innovation at the DNA level of corporate culture.

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We already knew we were getting fullscreen support for video in the keynote Quick look demo. I knew Apple couldn't hold "fullscreen" hostage for that much longer.

If they want to sell Quicktime Pro they need to have a bundle that comes with a lot more extra stuff like iMovie, effects soundfiles or whatever to entice people to upgrade.

I have no problems with ZFS being read only at launch. As MacGregor says, taking it to write capability is only further testing and a small code change (I'm assuming). What I need is a bulletproof ZFS so the more testing the better. It's nice to see Seagate now delivering 1TB drives for $399

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage...607230819.html in a couple of years these will be selling for $250 and the typical "enthusiasts" home network will likely have 3 TB of data. Time Machine could not have come at a better time along with ZFS.
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Yawn. What's "Leopard"?

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You can, just create a new, empty message, and enter the phone number as the username. Type your message and it goes off as a SMS text message.

Well, kind of... That's sending SMS through an AOL gateway. You can, however, send SMS through your (supported) cell phone by using Address Book. My guess is that they're saying that iChat will support direct SMS through the cell phone now.
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Yawn. What's "Leopard"?


I think it's a dog of some kind
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I haven't tested this theory, but it looks like Apple has some sort of wiki caching server... Wiki searches within the new dictionary app come up "spotlight-fast".

Also of note... Disk Utility now supports partition magic-like features... Resizing system partitions, and even resizing disk images.
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To avoid confusion... Apple is not using the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) rather the New Oxford American Dictionary (NOAD2) that is available online: http://www.oxfordamericandictionary.com .
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Google Talk already uses Jabber, no? I use my Google Talk account with iChat right now.

I was going to write the same thing - I too am using Google Talk in iChat right now.
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You can, just create a new, empty message, and enter the phone number as the username. Type your message and it goes off as a SMS text message.

I've done this but it is not that reliable. Many times if the recipient replies, you don't get it. Sometimes you do at first but then it fails the second time. Just my experience sending txt to a Verizon phone.

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have you ever seen/read the MPEG-LA's licensing scheme? higher volume does NOT equal drastically lower cost for MPEG-2 licensing.

So do free open source projects violate this licensing? I figure they could use an open source solution.

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I just assumed he meant 'without' the MPEG license, which is extra anyway (its not part of pro, is it, I thought it was on top of it).

I was meaning inclusive but sure if it cost apple too much then it could easily just be the pro features. Lots of people just need a quick movie clip editor.

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I don't know much about it, but I assume that even if it is set up to be "read only" that means that "write" is also one line of code away.

Not quite. If it was that simple, we'd have had NTFS write ages ago and we're still not getting it in leopard by the looks of it.

They already have ZFS write but you have to download the extension separate from the developer site.

I personally think it will be ready in time because we still have a while to go but whether they choose to include it is a different matter.
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Yawn. What's "Leopard"?


It's this cool new operating system that Microsoft will be trying to copy... ahem, is relying on for their OS R&D.

Expect to see it on your PC in 2009.

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What??? Full-screen video? That can't be possible? I was under the impression that this was such a hard and functioanlly challenging task to perform that ir required lots of development time and effort, and, thus, a small charge of $30 to purchase this. Does this mean that OS X is going to cost $30 more this year?

QT Pro has a great many capabilities past fullscreen. It really doesn't get the create it deserves. Perhaps with the QQT being given fullscreen capabilities people will finally see QT Pro for what it really is.

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Make the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) the base for the app...and skip the wiki BS.

And how much would Leopard be then? Not to mention the several GB of space required for all the data.


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I haven't tested this theory, but it looks like Apple has some sort of wiki caching server... Wiki searches within the new dictionary app come up "spotlight-fast".

Leopard Server has a built in Wiki.


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I was going to write the same thing - I too am using Google Talk in iChat right now.

But will be an easier configuration through a Google Talk option, instead of using Jabber? I'm surprised that we haven't seen a Yahoo Messnger option in the new Leopard builds.
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Leopard Server has a built in Wiki.

I'm talking about the wiki lookup in the Leopard client. The speed at which it searches wikipedia articles (obviously not articles that have been included in the leopard install) are blazing fast. What I was implying was that leopard may be touching an Apple based caching server to provide instant search results to my client. I will monitor what connections my computer makes tonight when searching.
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The reason Apple is building in full-screen support in the regular (free) version of Quicktime is because you can view QT files in full screen with Quick Look in Leopard. There's no point in charging $30 for it since that feature is part of Leopard.
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QT Pro has a great many capabilities past fullscreen. It really doesn't get the create it deserves. Perhaps with the QQT being given fullscreen capabilities people will finally see QT Pro for what it really is.

Quicktime Pro is a fine app, but holding full screen hostage as a "Pro" feature seemed to cheapen its perception, it's a basic playback feature that's out of place when packaged solely with non-playback features. The people that wanted full screen don't necessarily need to record, edit or encode video in the ways QTPro offers, it was a distraction that blinded people to the actual good things offered by QTPro. I understand that encoding licences cost money, but full screen does not.

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The reason Apple is building in full-screen support in the regular (free) version of Quicktime is because you can view QT files in full screen with Quick Look in Leopard. There's no point in charging $30 for it since that feature is part of Leopard.

I don't think there ever was any point to charging $30 for the feature.
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The reason Apple is building in full-screen support in the regular (free) version of Quicktime is because you can view QT files in full screen with Quick Look in Leopard. There's no point in charging $30 for it since that feature is part of Leopard.

Apple could have easily kept Quicklook from going fullscreen. Only allowing it to do so once QT Pro was activated.
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I don't think there ever was any point to charging $30 for the feature.

I do. Apple is paying license fees for several of the codecs in there, as well as their own development costs.

But, the full screen feature should have been broken out long ago.
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QT Pro has a great many capabilities past fullscreen. It really doesn't get the create it deserves. Perhaps with the QQT being given fullscreen capabilities people will finally see QT Pro for what it really is.

Yes, but that's what happens when you give away something for free, and then turn around later and say "Sorry, but these simplistic and 'basic' options are now only available to you if you get QT Pro, which, BTW, contains lots of other features you will probably never use" (sorry, but not that many people do video editing or modification or other 'tweaking').

BTW, they also removed the "save movie file" option and made it QTPro, for no apparent reason except as a money grab for those who wanted this feature.
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Oh, yeah.. back to ZFS....

I don't know much about it, but I assume that even if it is set up to be "read only" that means that "write" is also one line of code away.

Most of the file system is related to writing. It certainly isn't just "Hey, change that line to be 'enable_write = true;" and you're done. All of the features and capabilities of the file system have to be ported and supported by the OS. It doesn't just magically work. And most of the features are write-related (snapshots, for example, need to be made when the write is done, and that's not done on the HD itself, but in the file system code run by the OS). As was mentioned before, we still don't have write access to NTFS volumes.

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With hardware and software differences between OSes of competing platforms becoming less significant and even between version upgrades of the same OSes, Apple needs to be cutting edge with this kind of technology - as with the Core technologies.

Make life easier on developers and more elegant for consumers and more reliable for businesses and Apple will continue to improve market share incrementally. Then when enough evolutionary steps are made under the hood, the occasional revolutionary product can be released - a la iPhone.

This is the underlying strategy that Microsoft is either too large or too arrogant to really adopt. They would rather add stuff willy-nilly and buy their way out of dead ends, than embody a culture of innovation at the DNA level of corporate culture.

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Not true. MS has tried (and succeeded in certain areas) to do the same things apple has done. DirectX is a prime example of that, as is the .Net framework. They've also tried new file systems and such.

Their problem lies more in either biting off more than they can chew, or pre-announcing everything and then getting bit in the ass when it doesn't work. (See, Apple's policy of never talking about anything has its advantages, you have no idea of all the stuff they've tried and failed at).

Oh, and please keep in mind that Apple also is known for buying themselves out of dead-ends (take OS X to save Copland/Gershwin, for example) and that ZFS isn't theirs to begin with, its Sun's. Also, Apple has been known to stick with their ideas far longer then they should out of arrogance or whatever. Who's brilliant idea was the ADC connector again? Or going PCI-X instead of PCI-Express, initially? Or, when going to new tech, they just throw out the current tech at the same time. No need for backward compatibility in Apple's world (which, BTW, doesn't sit well with business folks).
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Oh, and please keep in mind that Apple also is known for buying themselves out of dead-ends (take OS X to save Copland/Gershwin, for example) and that ZFS isn't theirs to begin with, its Sun's. Also, Apple has been known to stick with their ideas far longer then they should out of arrogance or whatever. Who's brilliant idea was the ADC connector again? Or going PCI-X instead of PCI-Express, initially? Or, when going to new tech, they just throw out the current tech at the same time. No need for backward compatibility in Apple's world (which, BTW, doesn't sit well with business folks).

True...Apple learned quickly with Copland that backwards compatibility has a price. Apple today seems to be clever and knowing how to mix their own homegrown technology with Open Source technologies to great benefit.

ADC was a brilliant idea from Apple's standpoint. It eliminated clutter and locked some into Apple monitors. I think the idea is sound but monitors grew large and ate up too much power.

PCI-X was a more mature technology than PCI-Express. You could easily get a PCI-X RAID or other high end card but PCI-Express took a while to hit the market and frankly provided somewhat of a dubious value in the beginning.

Apple supports backwards compatibility when it makes sense. Since they aren't competing with other Macintosh vendors like the clone days thay don't have to toss in immature product/features into their lineup until the market is ready. Well that's the goal.

ZFS write will come when its ready. Fullscreen video playback will be an integral part of Leopard. Apple is no longer dependent on the trivial revenue opportunities. The iPhone will bring in Billions...it's time for them to stop focusing on the pennies and start focusing on the dollars.
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