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Lol, global warming, go look at weather patterns over the last 1000 year instead of the last 100 you'll realize that there is no such thing.
Al Gore = Chicken Little
The sky is not falling.

LOL. Well someone has to be a climate-change denier, I guess. Its kind of refreshing that there's still a few of you around. Thought you'd died out, like the dinosaurs.

In any case, the next 50 years are gonna be pretty painful for you, as nearly everyone else rolls up their sleeves and tackles the problem. Including even most of the Republican presidential candidates, from their public statements.

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You obviously buy in to most of the medias hype, and we can argue these points all day.

Well, from my point of view, you're a victim of the right-wing media. Probably believe most everything FOX News spews, and/or listen to too much Limbaugh or Michael Savage. It's coo, takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.

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I can point out how Clinton mishandled the majority of your criticisms of Bush just as poorly (i.e. healthcare, immigration), or how his mishandling of foreign policy (i.e. USS Cole, Somalia), and budgeting directly contributed to 9/11.

With the benefit of hindsight, we can agree that Clinton's responses to Al-Qaeda were half-hearted, at best. However, Bush was in office for eight months before 9/11, and I didn't hear word one out of his mouth about how serious a threat Al-Qaeda was. He got caught by surprise, and then reacted. \

Far as health care goes, you gotta be kidding. Clinton tried to do something about it very early on, then got shot down mainly by the Republicans in Congress, who are in the back pocket of the health insurance industry and the big pharmaceutical companies. Don't even go there, it's ludicrous.

Immigration, I'll give you, Clinton didn't really advance the agenda there. NAFTA was supposed to help a lot, allegedly by making Mexico much more prosperous, but it really hasn't. But again, the GOP just loved NAFTA, they thought it would help too.


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With regards to Iraq, I could simply point out how people fail to recognize we were dealing with the next Hitler here, and far fewer Germans would have died if we didn't get into WWII, did FDR make the wrong decision there.

Oh, that's old, stale, Bush administration sound bites.

There's over 200 nations on the planet, and several dozen of them are brutal dictatorships. So what makes Iraq so special that we single them out, and sacrifice American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars? There weren't any WMDs over there, and its been established that there were no real links between Saddam and Al-Qaeda.

It couldn't be the OIL, now could it? Several TRILLION dollars worth, sitting there in the ground, just waiting to be exploited. Oh, and Bush and Cheney being former oil men doesn't factor in, does it?

There's a lot of 'Hitlers' out there, and many have done far worse than Saddam ever did (Rwanda's rulers, to name one). Our reasons for being in Iraq aren't moral ones, and its silly to pretend so.

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The War is not the defining issue for me, nor is his poor handling of a catastrophic hurricane. What is is the state of the country, to me its certainly better than it was in 1979, 1976, or even 1993 (hell I could even argue 2000), and to me thats the bottom line.

We're going to have to agree to disagree then, because that just doesn't seem like the reality of the situation to me. The nation is on the wrong track, badly so. And most people seem to agree.

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Stupidest president ever is fine with me, after all Carter was probably the smartest (but still the worst hands down) and they both suck.

They both do suck, I'll give you that. Btw, our discussion has inspired a change in my sig, check it out below.

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post #122 of 125
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Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh View Post

There is a problem with this argument. As much as I am an Apple Fanboy, need a GSM phone for international use, and don't really mind AT&T, when two companies act together to create a lock-in between products it is collusion.

fwiw, AT&T does support international roaming for $0.99/minute and $5.99/month fee:
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/in...d-frequent.jsp

be comparison, i use my t-mobile GSM phone in europe often. t-mobile charges me the same $0.99/minute as at&t, but no monthly fee.

overall, i'm not impressed with at&t. i browsed with a friend's iPhone that other day, and Edge is definitely frustratingly slow.

irksome, as i was intent on getting iPhone 2.0 (MSWF 2008?), but i'm not keen on getting nickel-and-dimed by at&t for lower quality service.
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I believe this freedom is what gave us an iPhone in the first place. If our government had imposed heavier regulations on carriers or device makers, Apple may not have entered the field at all.[/QUOTE]

If the government had gotten involved and imposed a few more laws like they do in Europe which has the best service and phones, Apple would have gotten involved way long ago. Why spend millions creating a kicka$$ phone when you know that for at least two years only a quarter to a third of the cell phone using population will be able to use said phone. Not really a brain twister as to why Apple waited so long.

My only question is why they got involved at all right now, unless Steve has info that things may change soon, and he's only using ATT as a guinea pig to work the kinks out of his new toy.
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I must be impervious to the problems reported by several posters. I had AT&T before (national FamilyTalk, rollover, mob-to-mob, etc). No data services. I got the iPhone and now have unlimited data for $20 a month. In Wi-Fi zones, data is speedy. In my car, using Edge, it may not have incredible speeds, but it's still tolerable... my gods, I am in my car and downloading web info. In spite of reports to the contrary, the iPhone signal capture crushes my Razr performance. The signal is everywhere stronger than the Razr response. Ringtones were soft (even at full volume) on the Razr, compared to the iPhone.

The international rates for AT&T, though, truly suck. I have intl roaming and 99 cents/min is too expensive (in London for example). I think the suggestions before about buying a cheap local phone when you are abroad is the way to go. BUT domestically, I have no complaints from the AT&T side.

So it's been awhile now with the iPhone. Overall, I am so impressed and happy with the Apple cleverness in the user interface. But there are little things that are arising. For example, Google maps is so powerful while driving. However, if you have a location appropriately zoomed, go to a call, and return, you've lost the zoom and at the initial map level. Annoying. And there are times when I think I should have read the instructions. Now is that spoiled or not? I will be most interested in the first software update to see how the microissues are addressed. I guess I expect them to be all fixed.

Especially, orientation (portrait vs landscape) accessible to all modes of the iPhone.
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Originally Posted by britwithgoodteeth View Post

You?

Nope. It would be the dink correcting other folks without having a clue. The other stuff you posted has zero bearing on why you incorrectly corrected him on the use of a word.

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In what's been dubbed the "iPhone hearing" Chairman Ed Markey (D-Mass.) and "Chip" Pickering (R-Miss.) called for a different system - where wholesalers could compete and new applications and devices could be connected regardless of carrier.

Markey is still a loon with or without bipartisan support and should bugger off.

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