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Just thought I would pose the question...what one do you still prefer, if it's even still a competition?

I don't know if anybody else has noticed this, but when I use Safari to load a site it seems like it gets hung-up for a scant couple of second while trying to load the page. Sometimes if you just press Stop and hit return on the address bar, it immediately loads the page. I haven't noticed any problems with Chimera in this regard.

In addition, I think Chimera seems to load pages a smidgen faster. Perceptively, at least. I'm wondering what others out there have to say.

I really like Safari nonetheless and hope the problems I experience are part of vetting out the bugs through a mass beta test.
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post #2 of 43
Chimera feels about 2x as fast as Safari for me, whether I'm at home on my piddling 112 kbps IDSL connection or if I'm at the digital Niagra Falls of my dorm's broadband connection. Safari is slow, but that's not it... it also doesn't have tabs (a big part of my browsing at AI), it doesn't put windows in the right place, and it is too complicated for organizing bookmarks. I think I'll stay with Chimera and then give Safari another chance once it's out of beta.
post #3 of 43
another vote for chimera. i don't really know what all the fuss is about safari. now that i loaded my iBook with ram, it is a little faster, but still loads pages at about 25% slower than chimera.

not to mention the tab thing. go chimera! chimera seems faster with every release. when it moves to mozilla 1.3, that will be another leap forward.

maybe safari will catch up with chimera when it gets out of beta, it will be interesting.
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umm if you you note my Signature at the bottom of my post you'll notice I am rather a fan of Safari, or should I say was a fan! It isnt bad but after using it a good bit it doesnt work on alot of pages, and that really sucks for me! So until then, back to IE. Boy IE really sucks indeed in comparison but it'll do!


I still switch between the two browsers alot depending on what I am doing.
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post #5 of 43
Yah,

Safari does seem to hang sometimes before going to a site. It does this to me a lot at the macnn forums. Most of the time though, Safari feels plenty fast to me.

I still use chimera if Safari can't get to it and have all but eliminated IE.
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post #6 of 43
Safari seems just as fast if not faster then Chimera for me. The only thing from Chimera I miss is tabs.
post #7 of 43
Safari.
post #8 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
<strong>and it is too complicated for organizing bookmarks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What?

This is the one feature that I feel Safari does better than any other browser.

I'm also feeling the connection hangs, slow flash performance, improper rendering, and am missing tabs; It's still beta though, so who can say.

The latest nightly does indeed feel significantly faster than Safari.

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post #10 of 43
It is kinda cool how you can have that whole big database of bookmarks, yes, but there seem to be too many places to put 'em. I just like to have the often-used ones in my location bar and the rarely-used ones in the menu, that's all. Although with some customization and streamlining I'm sure I could get everything to go smoothly with Safari's (very powerful) system.

The other drawbacks are preventing me, though.
post #11 of 43
Safari get my thumbs up.

Its bookmark functions are second to none. And its flash compatability is better than Chimera. But both kick IE's ass. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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post #12 of 43
IE? What is it? I can't remember. There were a browser named this way? ;-)

Chimera. But Safari isn't too bad.

About bookmark feature: I like to watch at all my bookmarks (left or right side) while surfing. This thing is available in Chimera and in IE. Is it possible even in Safari?
post #13 of 43
Safari, because it does less and does it better.
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post #14 of 43
I've become enamored with the Snap Back button while surfing AI. Safari seems to fly for me. Feels faster than Chimera. Although I still think that OmniWeb has the best looking interface and haven't given up on it yet.
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post #15 of 43
Chimera. Its faster, has tabs and no metallic UI.
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post #16 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Xidius:
<strong>Safari. Soooo much faster than Chimera.

I miss tabs though.

- Xidius</strong><hr></blockquote>

What is the last version of chimera you use? 0.4? What's your system. I've never heard anyone call safari sooooooo much faster...
post #17 of 43
Safari. Here's a quick list of reasons just off the top of my head.
  • Faster start time.
  • Native widgets and text fields -- this is a BIG one.
  • Full text service support for things like the spelling service.
  • Excellent bookmark manager.
  • Proper support for favicons -- Chimera completely ignores the HTML code for the favicon path.
  • Better drag-and-drop support.
  • Better URL copying.
  • Better QuickTime and Flash integration (no scrolling weirdness where the image is not drawn in sync with the page).
  • Much smoother page scrolling.
  • Much faster rendering of pages that use justified text.
  • The Google search bar -- I use it constantly.
  • Better download manager.
  • Better text size handling -- I can't believe that Chimera still doesn't get this right.
  • Quick access to enable/disable popup blocking from the app menu -- I use this a lot when logging into my university's site that throws a popup for the authentication window.
  • The URL bar acts more like a regular text field -- I can press up and down to go to the beginning and end of it when the auto-fill doesn't kick in.
  • Smaller download manager. Look at Chimera's download manager after downloading 5 or 6 or more things. Yikes!
  • Quicker forward and back loading.

And to top it all off, most pages seem to load a tad faster in Safari as well.

I don't really use SnapBack; so, that doesn't sway my opinion. The only real advantage Chimera has over Safari now is the tabs. After a few weeks of using Safari, though, i find that I really don't miss them that much anyway. In Chimera, clicking tabs as they were loading could be a painfully slow process. I'm actually part glad to be rid of that delay now. The huge array of options available through the cryptic *.js files for Chimera don't add anything for me. I don't want to have to learn how those options work and neither does the typical web user. I've tried tweaking things like the terrible font sizing via those prefs files but cn never get things just right. Ah well.

[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: Brad ]</p>
post #18 of 43
i like safari more, that integrated google search is amazing! snapback is very handy as well.


i've never really been a huge fan of chimera.
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post #19 of 43
Safari has a really bad problem with cookies. That makes it useless for me. They have this novel new feature that lets you only accept cookies from site that you actually navigate to. I think that's super-cool, but I have a feeling, when they implemented that, they broke something important in the cookie stuff. I hope they straighten that out soon, so I can switch from Chimera.

Oh, and, of course, tabbed browsing (without any hacks).
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post #20 of 43
Chimera seems a bit faster than Safari for me, mainly because the latter seems to hang a lot (on a DP1250). Chimera renders pages WAAAAY more accurately than Safari. I don't like how Chimera reads cached pages slowly though, but tabs are nice. The UI, though not native widgets, look close enough.
post #21 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by chych:
<strong>The UI, though not native widgets, look close enough.</strong><hr></blockquote>Well, the large buttons bother me. Also, ever try using keyboard navigation in the text fields? Oh, I could rant for pages (and I have before! ) about all the things that break from the standard behavior. That ALONE is enough to very quickly turn me to just about ANY other browser. Shoot, even Mozilla handles these text fields better. I suspect that there are a number of bug fixes to correct the text field behavior in the Mozilla trunk, but Chimera isn't getting them since it's stuck back in its own 1.0.1 branch. Ah well. *sigh*
post #22 of 43
Safari hates hotmail. So im sticking with Chimera, and it seems to run better on my ancient dial-up, so Im happy.
post #23 of 43
In a recent build of Chimera (sometime between early January and three days ago), they fixed the big buttons... they're still a bit big but they're much smaller and better looking than before.
post #24 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Lil.Tope:
<strong>Safari hates hotmail. So im sticking with Chimera, and it seems to run better on my ancient dial-up, so Im happy.</strong><hr></blockquote>Actually, that has been fixed in the v56 build of Safari.

In the mean time, here's a trick for you.

* Go and login to Hotmail.com from the front page as normal.
* You will get the JavaScript error.
* Click the Help link.
* You will be taken to a page with the usual Hotmail tabs.
* Click the Inbox tab.
* You're in!
[quote]Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
<strong>In a recent build of Chimera (sometime between early January and three days ago), they fixed the big buttons... they're still a bit big but they're much smaller and better looking than before.</strong><hr></blockquote>I just pulled today's build to verify this. They fixed the padding issue that added the huge extra amounts of height and width ages ago (November? It was before 0.6), but the widgets themselves are still using the standard size rather than the small size and applying the wrong amounts of padding. OmniWeb and Safari use the small size widgets. While it may technically be okay to use the standard size (except that Chimera doesn't provide proper horizontal padding to the buttons nor does it use the correct font size for that kind of button), I personally prefer the smaller size for web page controls.

For anyone that isn't familiar with the different sizes, here's a side-by-side example. Chimera's widgets are on the left and Safari's on the right.



And here are the *correct* ways of forming buttons according to Apple's UI Guidelines:



As you can tell, Safari uses the correct size and spacing for the small widget. Chimera's sizes are way off and therefore make the button look strange. It seems as if Chimera is trying to make a button with the size settings of the small style, but it's applying those dimensions to the regular size button instead. Yuck. And it's been this way for a long time.

[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: Brad ]</p>
post #25 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by T'hain Esh Kelch:
<strong>Chimera. Its faster, has tabs and no metallic UI.</strong><hr></blockquote>

there's a non-metallic version of safari, forget where i found it
post #26 of 43
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DHagan4755:
[QB]Just thought I would pose the question...what one do you still prefer, if it's even still a competition?

I have to admit...I love Safari! I use it more than Mozilla or Chimera now. I think it's important to support Apple when they try to do something really nice for us (even though it's free...ahem).
post #27 of 43
I've been using Safari exclusively since it was released and I guess it has it's ups and downs. Sometimes it seems really fast and other times it lags (5-10 seconds + now and then :eek: ) Flash isn't the greatest but I'm living with it for now. The bookmark organization is a bit overwhelming. Some pages don't display properly. The download manager is top notch and I love how it mounts things automatically. Chimera does seem a bit faster, however I'm using Safari because it's better looking, MUCH better UI, and it's from Apple! I can't wait to see what future builds bring. I'm hoping that Apple will integrate that tabs program hack (can't remember the name...) among other things.
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post #28 of 43
trashed chimera today...safari with pith is fine for now...hopefully by 1.0 it will have tabs or something similar yet better...and all that....thanks chimera for keeping me from using IE for the last few months...i will remember you fondly....g
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post #29 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Brad:
<strong>Safari. Here's a quick list of reasons just off the top of my head.
[snip]
  • Better QuickTime and Flash integration (no scrolling weirdness where the image is not drawn in sync with the page).
[ 02-04-2003: Message edited by: Brad ]</strong><hr></blockquote>Really? OK. I guess Flash and QT is OK, but Java has a nasty way of proliferating itself over a page when you scroll. See: <a href="http://www.kratz1.com/" target="_blank">http://www.kratz1.com/</a>

[quote]Originally posted by burningwheel:
<strong>there's a non-metallic version of safari, forget where i found it</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's called Metallifizer by Unsanity. Find it at<a href="http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=15896&db=mac" target="_blank">Version Tracker</a>.

I really think that Safari is faster. For a while I used Pith Helmet to block ads, but I just discovered that it tended to make Safari have trouble contacting servers.

The best part is the cache loads so fast. Combined with my new five button mouse that has back and forward buttons, I'm cruisin' the internet faster than ever.

My favorite feature (I can have a favorite feature and a best part, too ), though, is the ability to put drop down menus in the bookmarks bar. It sure beats the two rows of bookmarks I had in Chimera. Now I just have about 7 menus with about 5 sites each. It makes for really fast browsing.

And, I absolutely abhored Chimera's text entry fields. Even a seventh grader can make a Text editor for OS X. How hard is it to implement it into a browser?!?

[ 02-05-2003: Message edited by: bauman ]</p>
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post #30 of 43
[quote] Really? OK. I guess Flash and QT is OK, but Java has a nasty way of proliferating itself over a page when you scroll. See: <a href="http://www.kratz1.com/" target="_blank">http://www.kratz1.com/</a> <hr></blockquote>

site looks fine to me...what version of Safari are you running?
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post #31 of 43
had problems at some sites with Chimera (the redstripebeer site was horrid at quicktime images for some reason)...safari runs them great so far...flash seems to be doing better for me too...when is v56 officially coming out?? g
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post #32 of 43
I think Safari has a memory leaking issue. If I leave it open for say a day or so, and then check top in the terminal, the app's vsize is in the hundreds of MB. Is this normal? Anyway despite this, I still prefer it over anything else.
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post #33 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by thegelding:
<strong>

site looks fine to me...what version of Safari are you running?</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you scroll up and down the Java time-spinning thing seems to replicate itself all over the screen. I have a scroll wheel, and it happens when I scroll quickly, and it also happens when your drag the scroll bar quickly.

[Edit] I'm running v51.

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[quote]Originally posted by thegelding:
<strong>when is v56 officially coming out?? g</strong><hr></blockquote>I doubt v56 will ever be officially made a public build. It has a number of improvements over v51, but it has one really annoying bug where it stalls when catching double-click events.
post #35 of 43
Safari is cool

Other than IE, how many browsers help you out when you HAVE TO use Windows Media player?

At least Safari suggests opening an application that fits the bill. This was why I ditched Navigator, erm I mean Chimera.
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post #36 of 43
Chalk up another vote for Chimera. The only thing I like about Safari is the Google search direct from the toolbar, but I found a workaround for that.
post #37 of 43
[quote]Originally posted by Xidius:
<strong>Safari. Soooo much faster than Chimera.

I miss tabs though.

- Xidius</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're not running a Chimera nightly, are you?
post #38 of 43
safari is the fastest browser I've ever used. I love the bookmark organization, snapback and google bar. I especially like the minimal interface.
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post #39 of 43
safari is a pain in the ass with how it stalls on page loading.
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[quote]Originally posted by elo:
<strong>safari is the fastest browser I've ever used. I love the bookmark organization, snapback and google bar. I especially like the minimal interface.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Have you ever used IE on Windows?
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