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post #41 of 126
7/19/07 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by crees! View Post

Still.. I don't see Apple releasing 2 similar products with 2 different ways to make a call (touch-screen dial pad vs touch-screen scroll wheel).

The light-feedback scroll wheel patent looks very cool - a comet trail of light dissapearing behind your finger as it circles around. It's the same kind of cool that made the original Nano such a hit.

It's possible that an iPhone Nano would rely exclusively on this type of UI; the more complete iPhone might have an option to go back and forth between the standard keypad and the wheel.
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post #42 of 126
7/19/07 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by Denton View Post

okay, I'll bite.

Apple announced the iPhone five months early so that the FCC wouldn't trump their announcement. I think that the final approval for the iPhone was at the beginning of June, so it really did take five months to approve.

It is true that the FCC had posted the results only a couple months before. I think it was six months because MWSF was the best time to announce it to get the best bang for the marketing effort, that's when even a lot of non-Mac people notice what Apple announces. MWSF and WWDC are the two major events. WWDC is too late, so MWSF is the best time to promote it. I think they also said that they wanted people to keep their product in mind so that more people have time to let their contract lapse. I think Apple is seeing the light that sometimes it's a good idea to let people know what you have ahead of time, the amount of buzz they got probably couldn't have been done with their previous tendencies to keep things secret until it's released.

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Why is AT&T an 'evil empire'?

the "new" AT&T is nothing but four original RBOCs (Soutwestern Bell, Pacific Bell, South Central Bell and Ameritech).

Many don't realize this, but Verizon was part of the "Evil Empire" once too. They were an RBOC (regional bell operating company).

The AT&T that you are referring to (the one that was broken up in 1984) died a slow an painful death. Its demise was final when SBC purchased it in 2003.

I don't think any one of the 4 major Wireless providers is necessarily bad or good.

I don't think it matters if the current AT&T is the old AT&T or not.

All the major carriers significant problems somewhere, and poor customer service, sell bad and crippled phones at exorbitant prices and try to exert an IMO unjustifiable level of lock-in with longer contracts in order to get less than outrageous service rates.
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post #43 of 126
7/19/07 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider

Conceived as a scaled back, lower cost alternative to today's iPhone, the second iteration of the handset is presumed to marry iPod functionality with rudimentary cellular capabilities. More resource-heavy Internet browsing and e-mail capabilities are not expected of the device.

In providing the first visual descriptions of the handset, long-standing industry sources -- who've continually been in tune with Apple's future music directions -- have dubbed the device "an iPhone nano" because they say it best describes the the handset's overall form-factor and aesthetic.

Well going by what was just said here, I think the click wheel phone patent is just another defensive patent, and iPhone nano, as I see it, will be closer to this design:



Multi-touch is the new click wheel.

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post #44 of 126
7/19/07 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Nice reaction. Some folks want a nice phone and audio/video device. Others want a portable laptop in the palm of their hands that is a phone, audio/video player.

It's smart.

Yeah, I just bought an iPhone, I have no problem whatsoever with Apple releasing, say, a smaller, slimmer $299 iPhone with little or no browsing/e-mail capabilities and a much smaller, non-touchscreen.

If this is true, it's very smart.
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post #45 of 126
7/19/07 at 12:55pm
Where's the G5 iPhone??!?!?!??!?
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post #46 of 126
7/19/07 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by Kasper View Post

And please watch your language on these boards. We have many younger members.

LOL you didn't have to quote him word for word and make it permanent (until you edit it).

I honestly feel apple is strapped as it is. They are extremely far behind on the money machine (ipod) and other devices. They may be looking at new designs for the iphone family but the way things have been going for hardware development, I don't see it happening any time soon. It would be nice if they got them out by the holiday, but I feel this is wishful thinking at this point in time.

All my friends at Apple are working their ass off. To the point where they don't have ANY time for their family or to barely chat. I have been offered jobs at Apple, and this is the #1 reason I won't work there. Everyone is spread so thin there.

I say Apple needs to get back to other hardware for a while until it's reved, then go back to the iPhone deal.

 

 

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post #47 of 126
7/19/07 at 1:42pm
Well, I could see a low cost iPod that's a phone, but without a keypad or multitouch, I don't see how you'd do text messaging on it. I can't imagine they'd sell many if it doesn't support text messaging. A keypad doesn't seem very Apple-like, and if you add multi-touch ... well, you're basically back to the hardware of the current iPhone (which equals similar cost).

The logic just doesn't seem to be there, unless you want a really watered down phone that's mostly an iPod.
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post #48 of 126
7/19/07 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

... in which a staggering array of gadgets from the Cupertino-based firm is expected to leave would-be rivals confused and unable to react.

Hopefully the staggering array won't leave would-be customers confused and unable to react!

I think that a lower-priced, less-fully-functioned option will be welcomed by many people. I see a lot of negative comments here about the hypothetical iPhone Nano, but I think people are focusing too intensely on the word 'Nano'.

To me, an iPod Nano is a smaller iPod. (My son has one, and he loves it.) So . . . an iPhone Nano would just be a smaller iPhone. No one is saying that it has to look anything at all like an iPod Nano -- like the mock-up we saw a few days ago.

It could be a great product. I bet a lot of students would get them. It's got to be hard for a HS or college kid to shell out $599 for a phone (or get their parents to do said shelling).

I do hope, like many others on this forum, that Apple's phone business doesn't distract them from their other product lines too much. I'd like to see a MBP update!

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post #49 of 126
7/19/07 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

I wrote in this very forum last year that this would be the way to do it. People laughed at me and said I was crazy. Crazy like a Steve, I guess.

Unfortunately, this won't increase the iPhone market to include me. So long as it remains AT&T, I'm not getting one, period. Dammit, Apple, where's that stinkin' widescreen Video iPod with WiFi and Safari?

The story said it would be more widely available.

Perhaps, if it doesn't do the Visual email feature it will be available from other networks as well.
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post #50 of 126
7/19/07 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by pmjoe View Post

Well, I could see a low cost iPod that's a phone, but without a keypad or multitouch, I don't see how you'd do text messaging on it. I can't imagine they'd sell many if it doesn't support text messaging. A keypad doesn't seem very Apple-like, and if you add multi-touch ... well, you're basically back to the hardware of the current iPhone (which equals similar cost).

The logic just doesn't seem to be there, unless you want a really watered down phone that's mostly an iPod.

Totally agree. Everyone I know does minimal text messaging these days and I am 47 years old and not a techie. So someone please tell us how text messaging would work on the various mocked up iPhone nanos. Thanks.
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post #51 of 126
7/19/07 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by ecking View Post

Ummm, I guess that's cool, but since when did apple become nokia? I want to see some goddamn MACS.

Macs???
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post #52 of 126
7/19/07 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Macs???

next product will be iFridge, it will re-order milk and beer for you automatically from iTunes Mega store ...

where is the iMac???????

iPod Nano + basic Phone = iPhone Nano, it will sell like hot cakes with right storage in it. (but again locked with AT&T?)

who knows iPod nano may be discontinued or offered in one variety.

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post #53 of 126
7/19/07 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by shanmugam View Post

next product will be iFridge, it will re-order milk and beer for you automatically from iTunes Mega store ...

where is the iMac???????

iPod Nano + basic Phone = iPhone Nano, it will sell like hot cakes with right storage in it. (but again locked with AT&T?)

who knows iPod nano may be discontinued or offered in one variety.

The fridge has already been demonstrated, but not by Apple.
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post #54 of 126
7/19/07 at 2:58pm
[QUOTE=AppleInsider;1114000]Apple Inc. this fall plans to accelerate its assault on the 1 billion unit worldwide cell phone market with a second incarnation of its iPhone handset that will likely appeal to an even larger audience, AppleInsider has learned. /QUOTE]

Appleinsider makes CNET headline with this article! Appleinsider is DOOOOMED!!!!

Actually, I don't think the specs for this iPhone "nano" are that unreasonable. Add voice dialing and I think it would be a mega-hit, not detracting from iPhone but cannibalizing the iPod Nano. I see a lot of MP3 players on my gym floor, and a lot of guys checking their cell phones in the locker room (not taking them onto the floor).

What I wonder about is the timing. Before Thanksgiving for the "holiday" season would be very aggressive on Apple's part.

And as for the virtual click wheel, you don't need it. Even without voice dialing, you could use the standard click wheel to enter numbers to dial the same way you unlock the ipod.
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post #55 of 126
7/19/07 at 2:58pm
And please watch your language on these boards. We have many younger members. Kasper

Younger members? Like how old? Four? Have you had an opportunity lately to listen to a group of teenagers talking among themselves? Every other word is unprintable. Get real!
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post #56 of 126
7/19/07 at 3:09pm
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And please watch your language on these boards. We have many younger members. Kasper

Younger members? Like how old? Four? Have you had an opportunity lately to listen to a group of teenagers talking among themselves? Every other word is unprintable. Get real!

That's tellin' im!

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post #57 of 126
7/19/07 at 3:11pm





Please Mel, this is a family website.
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post #58 of 126
7/19/07 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by ecking View Post

Ummm, I guess that's cool, but since when did apple become nokia? I want to see some goddamn MACS.

You'll find them in System Profiler.
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post #59 of 126
7/19/07 at 3:16pm
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Please Mel, this is a family website.

Your family doesn't like the moonlight?

Believe me, there's far worse on prime time Tv. And that's IN the States, once you get out...
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post #60 of 126
7/19/07 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Your family doesn't like the moonlight?

Believe me, there's far worse on prime time Tv. And that's IN the States, once you get out...

Just ribbing you. No offense taken here.
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post #61 of 126
7/19/07 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

Just ribbing you. No offense taken here.

I sort of figured, but...
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post #62 of 126
7/19/07 at 4:18pm
This is what I've heard. Can't reveal sources. A new iPhone will debut on October 30th. It will be dubbed the iPhone Nano. It will come in two varieties, a 2GB for $249 and a 4GB for $299. Both of the phones will simply be cell phones and iPods meaning you will not be able to access the internet using EDGE or Wi Fi. So, no Google Maps, no YouTube, not even the weather. You will be able to do SMS messaging. There will also be a 2 Megapixel camera similar to the current iPhone camera. The iPhone Nano will also be exclusive to ATT and it will incorporate visual voicemail.

The size of the phone will be thinner and shorter than the current iPhone sporting a 2 1/2 inch widescreen display versus a 3 1/2 inch widescreen display. It will have a touch sensitive display just as the current iPhone has. The whole click-wheel phone patent is a defensive patent meant to throw off speculation. I've tried my best to create a mockup of the iPhone Nano based on what I've seen that is at the link below. Sorry, but that's all I can say.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10286393@N06/855107464/
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post #63 of 126
7/19/07 at 4:21pm
Forgot to add that text messaging will be done only when turning the iPhone Nano to landscape mode. That is the only time a keyboard comes up. When pressing the SMS button, the iPhone Nano automatically goes into landscape mode, similar to when watching a video on the current iPhone.
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post #64 of 126
7/19/07 at 4:28pm
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This is what I've heard. Can't reveal sources. A new iPhone will debut on October 30th. It will be dubbed the iPhone Nano. It will come in two varieties, a 2GB for $249 and a 4GB for $299. Both of the phones will simply be cell phones and iPods meaning you will not be able to access the internet using EDGE or Wi Fi. So, no Google Maps, no YouTube, not even the weather. You will be able to do SMS messaging. There will also be a 2 Megapixel camera similar to the current iPhone camera. The iPhone Nano will also be exclusive to ATT and it will incorporate visual voicemail.

The size of the phone will be thinner and shorter than the current iPhone sporting a 2 1/2 inch widescreen display versus a 3 1/2 inch widescreen display. It will have a touch sensitive display just as the current iPhone has. The whole click-wheel phone patent is a defensive patent meant to throw off speculation. I've tried my best to create a mockup of the iPhone Nano based on what I've seen that is at the link below. Sorry, but that's all I can say.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10286393@N06/855107464/

So basically, you read my post from two weeks ago and copied it. Not very original my man, and I've no sources.

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post #65 of 126
7/19/07 at 4:32pm
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Ummm, I guess that's cool, but since when did apple become nokia? I want to see some goddamn MACS.

You much have been in bed on both January 9th and June 29th.

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post #66 of 126
7/19/07 at 4:32pm
Sorry, I haven't read your posts. Simply a coincidence.
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post #67 of 126
7/19/07 at 4:34pm
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So basically, you read my post from two weeks ago and copied it. Not very original my man, and I've no sources.

My bad, I did copy your defensive patent wording. Didn't realize it was you.
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post #68 of 126
7/19/07 at 4:41pm
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Sorry, I haven't read your posts. Simply a coincidence.

Here's my flickr post.

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post #69 of 126
7/19/07 at 4:45pm
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Here's my flickr post.

Sorry, I definitely did not read your posts, but you were much closer than what you thought. I just got my info today.
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post #70 of 126
7/19/07 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by mwclare

Sorry, I definitely did not read your posts, but you were much closer than what you thought. I just got my info today.

I never "thought" I wasn't close, I even went as far as to say it makes sense, and they'll definitely be using the same multi-touch UI for the iPhone. For the record nobody believes you - when you say you have "sources". Next thing you'll be telling us you have special deals on notebooks. Try defend yourself, it doesn't matter, you still wont be believed round here.

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post #71 of 126
7/19/07 at 4:51pm
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I never "thought" I wasn't close, I even went as far as to say it makes sense, and they'll definitely be using the same multi-touch UI for the iPhone. For the record nobody believes you - when you say you have "sources".

I don't care if anyone believes me. I know what I saw today, and it is totally cool. And no I don't work for Apple or ATT, but rather a much larger "company". It was just too amazing not to post something about it somewhere, especially after I read this article.
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post #72 of 126
7/19/07 at 5:02pm
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I don't care if anyone believes me. I know what I saw today, and it is totally cool. And no I don't work for Apple or ATT, but rather a much larger "company". It was just too amazing not to post something about it somewhere, especially after I read this article.

For someone who doesn't care, you sure are trying to convince people. Wait, first you "heard" something, now you "saw" something. Your story changing already?

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post #73 of 126
7/19/07 at 5:06pm
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For someone who doesn't care, you sure are trying to convince people.

Not trying to convince anyone. I just saw it today and had to post about it. Take it for what you will. You just happened to be almost dead on in your earlier post. Geez, someone is cranky.
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post #74 of 126
7/19/07 at 5:08pm
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Not trying to convince anyone. I just saw it today and had to post about it. Take it for what you will. You just happened to be almost dead on in your earlier post.

If I am right, then I'm right - you're not getting any credit for guessing the same thing I did, albeit not as well, two weeks after me.

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post #75 of 126
7/19/07 at 5:10pm
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If I am right, then I'm right - you're not getting any credit for guessing the same thing I did, albeit not as well, two weeks after me.

I honestly could care less about credit. You should be happy I have seen something that you speculated about 2 weeks ago. You get the credit.
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post #76 of 126
7/19/07 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by mwclare View Post

I honestly could care less about credit. You should be happy I have seen something that you speculated about 2 weeks ago. You get the credit.

We don't believe you, your plan didn't work. I don't care about credit either. And the phrase is; you couldn't care less, not "could care less".

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post #77 of 126
7/19/07 at 5:32pm
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You're a little late on this rumor. Reuters started circulating it on July 9. It's been pretty firmly quashed by now.

Try the archives: AppleInsider reported this on July 9 and the second note from JP Morgan's US branch followed the next day.

JP Morgan's Taiwan analyst Kevin Chang suggested that the iPod Nano would be abandoned (marketwatch: "We believe it's a strong sign that Apple could potentially convert every iPod nano into a nano phone"). AppleInsider is suggesting the opposite (" but not so much so as to pinch sales of an upcoming revision to the iPod nano.").
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post #78 of 126
7/19/07 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by mwclare View Post

This is what I've heard. Can't reveal sources. A new iPhone will debut on October 30th. It will be dubbed the iPhone Nano. It will come in two varieties, a 2GB for $249 and a 4GB for $299. Both of the phones will simply be cell phones and iPods meaning you will not be able to access the internet using EDGE or Wi Fi. So, no Google Maps, no YouTube, not even the weather. You will be able to do SMS messaging. There will also be a 2 Megapixel camera similar to the current iPhone camera. The iPhone Nano will also be exclusive to ATT and it will incorporate visual voicemail.

The size of the phone will be thinner and shorter than the current iPhone sporting a 2 1/2 inch widescreen display versus a 3 1/2 inch widescreen display. It will have a touch sensitive display just as the current iPhone has. The whole click-wheel phone patent is a defensive patent meant to throw off speculation. I've tried my best to create a mockup of the iPhone Nano based on what I've seen that is at the link below. Sorry, but that's all I can say.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10286393@N06/855107464/

does not include Calendar and Notes, it will have all the feature where you can take iPod sync feature.

since it is mock up it is OK. actuall there is a space to hold two icons, to make it mock up very close.

i like AppleInsider's Title text

THEY ARE NOT DONE YET ....

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post #79 of 126
7/19/07 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

We don't believe you, your plan didn't work. I don't care about credit either. And the phrase is; you couldn't care less, not "could care less".

That's telling me!!! You seem to be complaining quite a bit for someone that doesn't care about getting credit. And actually, you're the only one who appears not to believe me. No one else has said anything
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post #80 of 126
7/19/07 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by mwclare View Post

That's telling me!!! You seem to be complaining quite a bit for someone that doesn't care about getting credit. And actually, you're the only one who appears not to believe me. No one else has said anything

Just stop lying. That is all.

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