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Sony's chief has accused Apple, Inc. head Steve Jobs of wanting absolute control over the market. Also, Vodafone said it would warm up to the iPhone under the right conditions, and Apple hoped to inspire its phone's young development community.

Sony exec: Apple's Jobs "greedy"

Although he is the head of a multinational company with influence in virtually every aspect of home electronics and media, Sony head Sir Howard Stringer was reportedly undeterred from accusing Apple's leader Steve Jobs of only caring about his and Apple's wealth at a recent Allen & Co. media conference.

Speaking as part of a panel which counted Amazon founder Jeff Bezos and Google co-founder Sergey Brin among its ranks, Stringer is said to have characterized Jobs as a "greedy" hypocrite who would accuse music labels of only being interested in money while wanting to funnel money only to himself. The introduction of the iPhone was part of this approach, Stringer argued.

InterActiveCorp head Barry Diller allegedly brought the discussion to a halt to draw attention to the bold statement but only received a 'diplomatic' response from the Sony executive, who retreated from the statement.

Vodafone eager for 3G iPhone

Ending his company's largely silent approach to speculation over the choice of an iPhone carrier for Europe, Vodafone chief Arun Sarin on Thursday said that the iPhone's wireless Internet speed was an important factor in deciding whether or not to pick up the phone for its networks.

Including some form of cellular Internet faster than EDGE, such as Europe's UMTS or the international HSDPA standard, was important to pleasing a European audience, according to Sarun. 3G wireless is typically much more popular in the region and is known to be in the works for an eventual refresh of the iPhone.

"It's clearly a good, software-driven device, but we're concerned about wideband area coverage so that 3G or HSDPA connectivity with the iPhone is something that we look forward to," Sarun said.

The cellular provider head would not be drawn into confirming or denying that Vodafone would be selected for iPhone service in some European countries, but noted that nearly every major player in the continent was 'having a conversation' with Apple about possible deals.

Apple to host Tech Talks for iPhone devlopers

Roughly a week after the unofficial iPhoneDevCamp took place in San Francisco, Apple itself has announced a series of iPhone Tech Talks to take place in major US cities.

The month of August will see Apple host one-day events in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, and San Francisco that mix official seminars and demos with a loosely structured 3-hour programming session. Basic site compatibility, Web 2.0 apps, and handling content will form the heart of company-run discussions, the company said.

Anyone with a free ADC online membership or better is welcome to attend simply by signing up through the Tech Talk page and needs only to bring the bare essentials to the events, which begin with a Los Angeles gathering on August 2nd.

"Bring your notebook, your code, and your iPhone," Apple said.
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[QUOTE=AppleInsider;1114214]Sony's chief has accused Apple, Inc. head Steve Jobs of wanting absolute control over the market.

What a hoot! As if Sony would not like to be in the same position with new stunning products. They, after all can equally be called greedy with their record label/CD pricing, especially here in UK, where prices are purposely inflated, compared to other markets.

With the iPhones introduction, Sony obviously feel (and justifiably so) threatened, but instead of complimenting the design as some other competitors have, he feels he can only slam it, because they would like absolute control themselves if they were in the same position. Sony have been known to design products that lock you in, so that they control the market.

Now it's their turn to feel the heat! Good job too.
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what, steve and apple greedy? is that like making good products? is that like sony used to have in the 80s?

Sony is the only computer manufacturer I know of with higher prices than apple.
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Stringer is probably about to go on the chopping block. Expect a Japanese replacement soon.

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... wanting to funnel money only to himself. The introduction of the iPhone was part of this approach, Stringer argued.

So Apple released the iPhone to make money?? Greedy b*******!!

Sounds like a bit of schoolyard moaning from Sony because they've lost some of their control. Good, I'm routing for the minor labels anyway.
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oh, Sony is just jelous because Apple is smart and will not let anyone controll over their products
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Steve greedy? You don't say. Is he alone? I don't think so.

When it comes to business, the moral high ground is built on layers and layers of hypocrisy.

No matter the high sounding rhetoric disguising base goals, business (yea, capitalism) is based on greed... on selling for a dollar what you make for a nickel. It is this hidden hand of enlightened self-interest (greed) that produces standout products like the iPhone.

I like it. I guess you could say I am greedy for it. Now can I get it cheaper?
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Every heard of the PS3? With it's price tag it has greed written all over it...

Learn to lose with pride there Sony.
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Every heard of the PS3? With it's price tag it has greed written all over it...

That's about the worst example you could have picked as Sony is taking significant loss on each one sold.

Stringer is nothing compared to the more entertaining executives at Sony. I thought the way SCEE president recently pissed in SCEA's pool with the comments on the price cuts and the 80GB PS3 was especially grand. More lulz will follow as soon as the 80GB comes in Europe and SCEE jumps in the same pool.
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Every heard of the PS3? With it's price tag it has greed written all over it...

Learn to lose with pride there Sony.

PS3's price point is the same as that of a low end mini. The PS3 is a far better machine on most points.
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PS3's price point is the same as that of a low end mini. The PS3 is a far better machine on most points.

Not for the price in my opinion. Spend that money on a iPhone or PS3... I'd put in on a iPhone. it fits in your pocket better!
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Not for the price in my opinion. Spend that money on a iPhone or PS3... I'd put in on a iPhone. it fits in your pocket better!

Yeah, sure.
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PS3's price point is the same as that of a low end mini. The PS3 is a far better machine on most points.

and Sony even encourages you to install Linux on it.
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That's about the worst example you could have picked as Sony is taking significant loss on each one sold.

Stringer is nothing compared to the more entertaining executives at Sony. I thought the way SCEE president recently pissed in SCEA's pool with the comments on the price cuts and the 80GB PS3 was especially grand. More lulz will follow as soon as the 80GB comes in Europe and SCEE jumps in the same pool.

Maybe, but the iPhone has put Apple in the black right off the bat. The PS3 is a great product, but one that has put SCEA in the red from the get go. Whose camp has the happier camper?
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SHS accuses Steve Jobs of being Greedy - let's look at the facts

It was the Sony BMG Merger that encoded CD's that contained spyware/malware/bsware - Not Apple and Jobs

It was Sony who accused The artist formerly known as prince as stealing from them by including a CD of his in Sunday British Papers

It is sony that has closed their systems off to the world for so long
memory stick
memory stick pro
UMD
the minidisc (which was different from the UMD)
their laptops finally accept SD
sony plays station memory cards
the betamax (yes superior - but how many of us own one)

It was sony who disclaimed the price cuts on the PS3...only to announce them several days later.

and on and on.....Sony hasn't created something unique since the walkman or something cool (since the PS2)

I own a mac, Iphone, Ipod, Xbox, xbox360, wii and dslite......the last sony product I owned (and still own) was the ps2.....I will NEVER by their restrictive crap

Sir Howard....its all about the facts!
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Wow. That's a bit rich Howard from the Valleys! Sounds a little pressured. The Japs must be starting to lose patience with the gaijin
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Every heard of the PS3? With it's price tag it has greed written all over it...

Learn to lose with pride there Sony.

Although a corporate exec calling another corporate exec greedy is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, I have to object to your comment regarding the PS3.

I am the proud new owner of a PS3 and I have to say it's an incredible machine for $499 now (or even the previous $599).

For that price tag you get:
Blu-Ray Player (in fact, one of the best on the market)
All the functionality of an Apple TV (music and video streaming, photos, etc.)
More functionality than an Apple TV:
Support for USB storage devices
Internet browsing (with Flash even, what a novel concept)
Gigabit ethernet port
Linux computer (if you feel like installing it)
And it plays games too.

For a mere $200 more than the basic AppleTV, you get a heck of a lot more.
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Remember back in fifth grade when the boy who Susie complained about incessantly was really the one she had a major crush on?

This is just the start of a long, meandering dance that will eventually end up with Apple taking over most of Sony's consumer electronics business. I give it 10 to 15 years until consummation. Earlier if Sony agrees to elope.
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How could Sir Howard Stringer say something so stupid and be head of Sony. When Play Station had the market and about half the sales at Toys R Us the games seemed very expensive. Also their Walkmen and TVs were more expensive. They were king and deserving. Was that greed? Seems to that risk, a good product and good marketing should be rewarded.
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but it was late to market giving microsoft a huge advantage with an inferior product.

the key is sony was late to market and is losing money on each console. the only saving grace is that Microsoft had a large failure rate with the 360.

oh and thank god they stayed with blu ray b/c no one even knows what hd/dvd is!

he has no business calling jobs greedy when the record companies (sony included) consistently threaten to pull music off of itunes (and alienate their customers even more). I buy all my music from itunes and stream it throughout my casa

maybe my gf will get me one for xmas
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I wonder if Sir Howard would be ready to put his money where his mouth is and swap salaries with Steve.
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The what?

Foreigner (non-Japanese)--the white guy.
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Did I miss something? Apple wants to keep the price of each song on iTunes at $0.99. It's Sony and the other record labels who want to raise the prices.

Who's the greedy one here? Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Foreigner (non-Japanese)--the white guy.

So, who's funny and who's the racist -- you, or vinney57?
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Stringer is just mightily pissed that Sony wasn't invited on-stage at MWSF in January. He was counting on an invitation so he could get some of teh "cool" that Steve has. Without it, he's seriously sliding towards the chopping block.

As for the PS3, Sony does lose money on each sale, but in the process, it's building up Blu-Ray penetration which will help it in the long run with its Hollywood property (selling DVDs), and there is a halo effect with the premium-priced Sony Bravia TVs (on which to display the beautiful PS3 images). In Sony's strategy, if Blu-Ray can kill of HD-DVD thru this approach, and become the new DVD standard, it will have been worth it.
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Stringer is probably about to go on the chopping block. Expect a Japanese replacement soon.

No he will have to fall on his own Walkman
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Not for the price in my opinion. Spend that money on a iPhone or PS3... I'd put in on a iPhone. it fits in your pocket better!

I thought we were dealing with facts, not opinions here. I wouldn't want a PS3 for any price. Paying anything for it too much in my opinion as I'm not a gamer. The fact remains that Sony is losing money on each one. But they have a plan and it's a good one.


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SHS accuses Steve Jobs of being Greedy - let's look at the facts
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Don't forget ATRAC and Rootkit. I know there is a lot more too.


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As for the PS3, Sony does lose money on each sale, but in the process, it's building up Blu-Ray penetration which will help it in the long run with its Hollywood property (selling DVDs), and there is a halo effect with the premium-priced Sony Bravia TVs (on which to display the beautiful PS3 images). In Sony's strategy, if Blu-Ray can kill of HD-DVD thru this approach, and become the new DVD standard, it will have been worth it.

That is my thoughts too, yet this is the first time I'm seen anyone share my sentiment. 2-3 decades of licensing an optical format will outshine a couple years of PS3 sales. (And yes people, there will be a need for physical media in the future. Bandwidth speeds are not there yet and won't be the majority of users for many moons)

Even though the PS3 will surely be sold for more than a few years, I estimate that by then the costs will come down enough for Sony to profit on each sale.
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what, steve and apple greedy? is that like making good products? is that like sony used to have in the 80s?

Sony is the only computer manufacturer I know of with higher prices than apple.

Not to mention the only one with more proprietary hardware as well. (Memory stick, MiniDisk for example)
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Don't forget about betamax and wanting to won the market.
And why is it that Cd's and DVD's are so expensive when the disks are so cheap themselves.
At least with LP's you felt like you were getting something for your money.
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Stringer is just mightily pissed that Sony wasn't invited on-stage at MWSF in January. He was counting on an invitation so he could get some of the "cool" that Steve has. Without it, he's seriously sliding towards the chopping block.

Heh, the last time a Sony CEO went onstage with Steve Jobs, he threw away any pretense of self-dignity and literally begged Steve to forget about doing hardware and focus on software. For the Japanese, a CEO doing this would be a major loss of face. Oh it was painful to watch. The guy was gone soon after that.
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i just dont know about sony anymore, they use to be good but, i just sold my ps3 because am afried it will break withing a year like almost all their products and thats not a risk am willing to take, not to mention it also sucks by the way. about the iphone and european countires, of course they are getting the 3G model the only reason we did not get it its becauses ATTs lack of 3G coverage, thats why steve said clearly we are goin to europe next year, in other words he ment when the 3G model becomes available
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Although he is the head of a multinational company with influence in virtually every aspect of home electronics and media, Sony head Sir Howard Stringer was reportedly undeterred from accusing Apple's leader Steve Jobs of only caring about his and Apple's wealth at a recent Allen & Co. media conference.



Sony is just bitter because they can't get anyone to buy their PS3 console. No one wants a game console with games that just aren't any fun to play. Nintendo is cleaning Sony's clock. Not to mention the #1 selling game console in the world... Nintendo DS.


As an Apple shareholder I am happy to let Steve Jobs fiercely trying to defends Apple's right to make money. It's called Capitalism. Out of the 10s of thousands of companies one can invest in why would you not invest your hard earned money into a company that had a Tiger (or should I say Leopard) at the helm.

If more companies were run by CEOs who were as demanding and creative as Jobs, I would look to invest in them. For now, I'm going with Steve. He's up 1000% in the last 5 years. Show me another track record of a CEO that comes close.

Try comparing a 5 year chart of Sony vs Apple. Then tell me the Sony CEO isn't being childish because he's not capable of producing similar results.

The true touche will be when Steve Jobs and Apple upgrade the AppleTV device to download online HD movie rentals. Thus obsoleting Sony's new Blue Ray Disc format. Why buy a $1000 player and spend $30 per movie when you can rent it on your AppleTV for $3. Think about it. What Hollywood movie made in the last 10 years is worth watching more than once or twice, let alone 10 times.

No one wants PS3, no one will want Blue Ray. I've bought movies on VHS. I've bought movies on DVD. And I am here to tell you I have bought my last movie. It's Apple TV rentals for me going forward. And don't get me started on those theives at Blockbuster. Watching them go down in flames is going to be even more fun.
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the only reason we did not get it its becauses ATTs lack of 3G coverage

That isn't the only reason. 3G uses more battery life and takes up significantly ore space. WiFi has a smaller chipset than even Edge and uses less power too.

While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.

Anandtech goes into into some excellent detail about it.


(left) iPhons EDGE in purple & 802.11b/g in green; (right) Samsung Blackjack UMTS in red
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While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.

The iPhone's motherboard has a second layer and the BlackJack is not thicker than the iPhone.

Samsung BlackJack (GSM/EDGE/UMTS)
Dimensions: 4.4"L x 2.3"W x 0.5"D
Weight: 3.5 oz

iPhone (GSM/EDGE)
Dimensions: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches
Weight: 4.8 ounces
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The iPhone's motherboard has a second layer and the BlackJack is not thicker than the iPhone.

Samsung BlackJack (GSM/EDGE/UMTS)
Dimensions: 4.4"L x 2.3"W x 0.5"D
Weight: 3.5 oz

iPhone (GSM/EDGE)
Dimensions: 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches
Weight: 4.8 ounces

You posted dimensions and weigh for both devices but you don't have forgottern to make any relevant point? The pic I posted clearly shows the size differences in chipsets and the article clearly demonstrates the battery usage of UTMS. When Tardis Technology is perfected perhaps we'll be able to have chips that are actually larger than the space they occupy.
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So, who's funny and who's the racist -- you, or vinney57?

Sony's a Japanese company. Therefore referring to Howard Stringer (a Brit, by the way) who heads it as a foreigner is completely reasonable.

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That isn't the only reason. 3G uses more battery life and takes up significantly more space. WiFi has a smaller chipset than even Edge and uses less power too.

While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.

Note that the 30% hit to battery life was when you completely ran on UMTS, a situation that would only ever happen in Japan or South Korea. Given advanced power management features such as turning the UMTS radio only when actively browsing data or making/receiving calls this would be 10-20% hit at worst.

The current rumour is that O2 is spending just short of 200 million pounds to upgrade their GPRS network to EDGE. Regardless of whether the rumour is true the number is about right in cost (Cingular spent 4 billion on their EDGE network).

For 200 million pounds you could get a custom made tri-band UMTS chip pretty darn small.

Given that Apple may launch the EDGE iPhone in Europe it would actually be cheaper for operators to give Apple say 500 million pounds (divided up by per capita of each operator partner's network) for a 3G iPhone model then it would be to install EDGE.
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You posted dimensions and weigh for both devices but you don't have forgottern to make any relevant point?

Battery life would likely be shortened but I'm not convinced that a 3G iPhone would be much thicker than the current model. The BlackJack is not bigger.
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That isn't the only reason. 3G uses more battery life and takes up significantly ore space. WiFi has a smaller chipset than even Edge and uses less power too.

While I wouldn't have minded a thicker phone to compensate for 3G chip size and extra battery requirements I can see why this was chosen.

Anandtech goes into into some excellent detail about it.


(left) iPhons EDGE in purple & 802.11b/g in green; (right) Samsung Blackjack UMTS in red

That's two specific implementations and in particular it's the USA only version of 3G from Qualcomm. UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA as used elsewhere and by AT&T would require a different chipset to the Qualcomm chipset. Anand's conclusion made little sense.

There are already 3G phones much smaller and thinner than the iPhone on sale in Europe. For example the Sony Ericsson W880i...

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?...e=pp&pid=10653

Dimensions... 103 x 46.5 x 9.4 mm (or 4 x 1.8 x 0.4 inches in old money)

Vodafone will of course be eager for 3G. They don't want to spend a fortune on building an EDGE network that is already obsolete.
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