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post #81 of 98
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Originally Posted by mr O View Post

Melgross, what does your experience and gut feeling tell you?! > Do you think the buggy Leopard Beta is gonna make it?! Of course, there are 31 days in October

It is actually only 9 weeks from Steve's keynote in January. Maybe it's better to introduce Leopard with an all new MacBookPro. Meaning, you will have to look for another Xmas present for your relatives

I think that Apple will release more than two more beta's. Near final pre- Golden Master, there is usually a flurry of releases, fixing the bunch of bugs that eluded them eariler because of more important problems.

That doesn't mean that an October release date can't be met, but I'm hoping that Apple is flexible here. If they miss the date by a few weeks, it's something I would prefer, rather than have a buggy release.

It's become increasingly important to Apple to get the OS out the door with as few bugs as possible.

If what they say about 50% of those buying Mac's in their stores, and the web site, are true, and sales in other places are also experiencing a large percentage of first to the Mac sales, then Apple can't expect the old Mac hands dismissal of bugs as being unimportant in a first release. These people are expecting that Apple puts out much higher quality software from the first day.

Apple shouldn't disappoint them.
post #82 of 98
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Originally Posted by frogbat View Post

the new standard folder icons are a bit sombre

I agree with you 100% but I do not think that will be their final appearance. I am expecting Apple to include the real icons, which will be colored, in the final build before going Gold so there will be "just one more thing..." we get to look forward to until it is released.
post #83 of 98
i didn't mean to be overly negative bout the sombre icons comment - but i do have a feeling that whilst apple r trying to get gimmicky on certain things like the menu bar and new dock - they are trying to find some sort of compromise between the very colourful os x we're used to and a more restrained feel of itunes and their pro apps (which all are maximised so why not add that feature too?)

but honestly the thing that irked me the most was the right click contextual menu for icons

i was shocked to find "more" at the bottom and with only 2 options or so there. It smacked of windoze apps like office. Hope they remove it as it's a bit pointless too.

i'll kick up leopard again over the weekend to see if the sharing has improved. I think my biggest gripe with tiger (besides the finder) is the finder stalls or crashes when a connected share is no longer available. We have 3 macs in the office and no central server. At times we have to switch on a machine that was switched off to allow the others that were connected to it to get their knickers out of a twist
post #84 of 98
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Originally Posted by frogbat View Post

i didn't mean to be overly negative bout the sombre icons comment - but i do have a feeling that whilst apple r trying to get gimmicky on certain things like the menu bar and new dock - they are trying to find some sort of compromise between the very colourful os x we're used to and a more restrained feel of itunes and their pro apps (which all are maximised so why not add that feature too?)

but honestly the thing that irked me the most was the right click contextual menu for icons

i was shocked to find "more" at the bottom and with only 2 options or so there. It smacked of windoze apps like office. Hope they remove it as it's a bit pointless too.

i'll kick up leopard again over the weekend to see if the sharing has improved. I think my biggest gripe with tiger (besides the finder) is the finder stalls or crashes when a connected share is no longer available. We have 3 macs in the office and no central server. At times we have to switch on a machine that was switched off to allow the others that were connected to it to get their knickers out of a twist

I have 5 items in my More and I'm under the impression that the More menu will the location of contextual menu plugins. But I can see how it screams Windows.

I had better networking with the build prior to 9A466. The ease of interaction with any network computer was great. And I can't even begin to say how wonderful it is to not have the FInder freeze when a share gets disconnected.
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post #85 of 98
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Calculate folder sizes? Is it that much different between OSs? On OS X, the only way I know is "get info" and in Windows, you get "properties". The only difference I see is that Finder has a hot key for it, Explorer does not.

No I mean like in list view, I want to see the sizes of all the folders. Get info and properties give you the size of the selected folder. In OS X list view, you go to view > show view options > calculate folder sizes and then list by size.

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Originally Posted by JLL

After playing a bit with it I don't find the new build any buggier than the previous build, and it contains quite a few small changes (and finally a Danish spelling checker).

Yeah it's maybe just people trying to put people off from downloading it. I'm sure they've done that before. Time will tell though the more you use it. Is it really faster than before and if so in what respects?

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Originally Posted by solipism

There are plenty of bugs, but there are new features (many not even mentioned at WWDC)

Features that weren't in 9a466?

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Originally Posted by frogbat

We have 3 macs in the office and no central server. At times we have to switch on a machine that was switched off to allow the others that were connected to it to get their knickers out of a twist

Can't you just relaunch the Finder? We use connected shares all the time where I work and we don't usually have that many disconnects because we've started to use a shared network drive plus none of the computers usually disconnect but I'm sure relaunching the Finder sorts it out or is it just easier for you to connect the other machine again? It still shouldn't happen of course so it's nice that it's fixed.

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Originally Posted by outsider

That's what I was talking about. There IS. Never mind though I retracted my post, nothing to see here. I can't believe you caught it though. it was only up for like 15 seconds.

Desperate for secrets maybe. If it is a flat path bar, I'd much prefer that to the menu bar that you get in Tiger. Ideally I'd like a text path bar though where the dividing slashes were also links to the folder.
post #86 of 98
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Can't you just relaunch the Finder? We use connected shares all the time where I work and we don't usually have that many disconnects because we've started to use a shared network drive plus none of the computers usually disconnect but I'm sure relaunching the Finder sorts it out or is it just easier for you to connect the other machine again? It still shouldn't happen of course so it's nice that it's fixed.

at times that doesn't work either - even using force quit app rather than the right click on the finder icon doesn't work at time and it's pretty annoying. At times even if might eventually work it takes so long that rebooting the switched off machine is quicker! Even if the finder relaunch did solve the problem 100% of the time, it is still a major bug which apple should've solved in tiger.

and yeah at home i have a networked drive and the problem occurs much less and i seem to recover more gracefully.
post #87 of 98
Screenshots of the new features.
post #88 of 98
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Originally Posted by Outsider View Post

Screenshots of the new features.

Of everything I've seen so far, the only thing I don't like is the translucent menu bar.

I happen to like the 3D Dock.
post #89 of 98
some interesting improvements - i like the full path view

the sidebar in the wwdc version didn't readjust the size of the icons when it's made larger or smaller - the sidebar in general needs more work too - the disclosure triangles are cumbersome and it would be nice to have an option to remove them - also dragging a file onto a closed disclosure triangle doesn't open it

oh and the drop shadows on the windows are too strong - again i hope apple will add more preferences so people can adjust these things to their liking (even a menubar transparency setting...)
post #90 of 98
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Yes, they are dumping it and going straight to Chester Cheetah.


Wasn't 10.0 Cheetah?


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post #91 of 98
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post


I happen to like the 3D Dock.

I think it'll look nice on the desktop Macs. For the portable users, that would be me, I'll have to see how side docking looks or just hide the dock. I'm guessing I'll just hide the thing.
post #92 of 98
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Originally Posted by mr O View Post

iTunes is the sexiest Jukebox out there! Coverflow works great with Mighty Mouse! And play count is giving me instant feed back about my current mood iTunes even let's me add images to the official cover art of the cd!!

iTunes is a mess of conflicting UI disasters, ill thought out merges of functionality it shouldn't have. The whole blue sidebar thing makes me cringe and now we're getting it in Finder.

Coverflow, sure, it's fun in iTunes but it's not as functional as a list. It's also a lot slower. Chances of me using it in Finder - ZERO.

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Originally Posted by mr O View Post

Coverflow should be introduced into Safari as well. It's allready being the case with the iPhone, but imagine all of your bookmarks being displayed like updated web flicks inside Safari!

And finally: Coverflow should be introduced to Address book, Front Row and iPhoto as well.

Yes, it probably should. As long as I can switch it off, I don't care.

I just wish Apple would give the basics some love instead of introducing extra eye candy.
post #93 of 98
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Originally Posted by aegisdesign View Post

Coverflow, sure, it's fun in iTunes but it's not as functional as a list. It's also a lot slower. Chances of me using it in Finder - ZERO.

It's not supposed to replace lists or other views. It's an addition and I can see it being useful in folders or search results with images, pdfs or documents.
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post #94 of 98
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Originally Posted by JLL View Post

It's not supposed to replace lists or other views. It's an addition and I can see it being useful in folders or search results with images, pdfs or documents.

yes i think that is the whole point. i embrace the new visual functionality in the new Finder. it's something that has been missing in Mac Os since the beginning. Macs are not only home PCs but are intended as art/design/graphics systems for professional use, so having LOTS of picture previews is not just eye candy, it's a must! currently i use Adobe Bridge as my finder half the time. it has wonderful previews of image files including pdf and i am able to sort files and folders right from Bridge... the irony is that Mac Os shoulda had this sorta thing built into it years ago. Expose, Spaces, Stacks are all useful and needed features for the cluttered world of visual design and art. i'm looking forward to it... the issue i have with coverflow has to do with it's simulation of inertia. using the slider makes it a tad difficult pinning down the file you want without having to make 2-3 minute adjustments to get it to stop where you want. in fact there is a lot of 'threading the needle' on OsX. the three little glass buttons on every window for instance. i wish they were bigger since i always tend to overshoot them when working on the fly. way to much precision targeting on tiny actuators.
post #95 of 98
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

I think it'll look nice on the desktop Macs. For the portable users, that would be me, I'll have to see how side docking looks or just hide the dock. I'm guessing I'll just hide the thing.

I always keep it hidden.
post #96 of 98
One thing I just noticed... regarding Leopard's rounded corner menus. It's not the first time Apple have done that...



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post #97 of 98
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Yes, they are dumping it and going straight to Chester Cheetah.


post #98 of 98
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Originally Posted by troberts View Post

I agree with you 100% but I do not think that will be their final appearance. I am expecting Apple to include the real icons, which will be colored, in the final build before going Gold so there will be "just one more thing..." we get to look forward to until it is released.

Do I dare hope... Automated Icons using Core-Animation?
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