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post #161 of 245
7/27/07 at 3:05pm
Whoa! F19! "But this one goes to 11." So what? Mine goes to F19! Sweet.
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post #162 of 245
7/27/07 at 3:05pm
I think Apple needs options with their keyboards. Yeah, sure, some people are going to love this thin design. I think Apple should also offer an ergonomic keyboard as well.
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post #163 of 245
7/27/07 at 3:09pm
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The keyboard is angled, it's just not curved. The cm step on the back ensures it would sit up at a nice angle.

Nope. I don't buy it for a second. Sorry... Vast amounts of engineering and ergonomic thought has gone into current desktop keyboard layout for maximum comfort and usability. I'm sorry, but this would not fly. At least not in the configuration this picture show it being in.
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post #164 of 245
7/27/07 at 3:18pm
That the pictures emerged exactly today is no coincidence. The pictures were picked up in Hong Kong 2 days after the Apple Inc Q3 report.

The pictures show a legit prototype of the newly styled Apple Keyboard. In fact it's not the first prototype (many are made). This one is a bulid (yes, a typing error on the label) of many, but surely the released product will look as stylish as we are all used to from Apple Inc.

Just 10 more days people :-)
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post #165 of 245
7/27/07 at 3:21pm
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Agreed. Apple have been very good about keeping these things under wraps recently. I think Apple leaked the images to get feedback on the proposed new keyboard. Feed back from us, the people who are perhaps most critical of change. If someone had been naughty, don't you think they would have snapped pics of the new iMac instead? Surly a prototype iMac keyboard wouldn't be too far from a prototype iMac.

...or maybe it was a sucessful plant/bait (hint:setup) by Apple's security team "Alpha" to catch a suspected leak source.
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post #166 of 245
7/27/07 at 3:22pm
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Nope. I don't buy it for a second. Sorry... Vast amounts of engineering and ergonomic thought has gone into current desktop keyboard layout for maximum comfort and usability. I'm sorry, but this would not fly. At least not in the configuration this picture show it being in.

Uhm, writers all over the world use laptops for their entire career and these have flat keyboards. The current desktop layout can't offer much advantage if nobody is complaining about why the laptops aren't sloped. I actually get more strain using the current Apple keyboard than my slim, flat Advent keyboard because I have to apply more pressure to the keys.

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Whoa! F19! "But this one goes to 11." So what? Mine goes to F19! Sweet.

Yup but they damn well better give us a way to program them in a flexible way like attach scripts to them.

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Originally Posted by mrtotes

The exact symbols on the keys differ significantly around the globe.

Here is a UK keyboard:

The Option key doesn't even say option!

Yeah that's what all the ones I see look like. Of course us Brits are smart enough to figure it out.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WDNY2ByGNYA

PS I notice we've gone code red on this topic.
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post #167 of 245
7/27/07 at 3:23pm
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...or maybe it was a sucessful plant/bait (hint:setup) by Apple's security team "Alpha" to catch a suspected leak source.

Stop watching all these movies Floribus :-)
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post #168 of 245
7/27/07 at 3:24pm
....Or maybe its just a pre-launch decoy put in circulation.
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post #169 of 245
7/27/07 at 3:27pm
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Stop watching all these movies Floribus :-)


Movies?? I get it just from watching the U.S. News
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post #170 of 245
7/27/07 at 3:34pm
i hope that this one is dishwasher safe like the current one.
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post #171 of 245
7/27/07 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Perhaps a little history lesson is in place to help you get over your confusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_key

That was great! And explains a lot.

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What's in people's mind shouldn't be the deciding factor though otherwise we'd all be Christians. When Apple are encouraging switchers and all the documents and tutorials say command-whatever, their immediate reaction is 'where's the command-key'. It's like saying to someone use the option key and then telling them it's the one with alt written on it, to which they reply well isn't it the alt-key then.

After reading the Wikipedia entry it makes sense why Jobs did not want Apple logos throughout the menus. And could very well explain why it is not on the photo. Still, it's been my experience that when a switcher or newbie asks me "where's the command-key?", the best answer is: "It's the key with the apple on it." I mean try to explain to them it's the "Cloverleaf" symbol, aka the "splat", "butterfly", "squiggle", "beanie", "flower", "cauliflower", "propeller" or "shamrock."

No thanks. Apple can call it what they want in documents and tutorials. I will still incorporate in my mind as the Apple key.

Long live the Apple key.
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post #172 of 245
7/27/07 at 5:33pm
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i hope that this one is dishwasher safe like the current one.

Really? Does that apply to the previous generation also?

(eyes the small amount of crumbs/dirt built up in the underside of his Pro keyboard)
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post #173 of 245
7/27/07 at 6:04pm
Dood! the current generation is dishwasher safe? Thats great! Im tired of vacuuming it anyways...

I like this design, and I think the pics are real.

Also, I agree with Ireland that Apple did plant these, and probably does indeed plant photos and rumors here and there to make the hype monkeys giddy. As this one says "not a cosmetic copy on it" I'm inclined to believe that the finish isn't 100% finished. It's close, but it doesn't represent the finished product. It looks like a concept board with completed electronic components (as listed on the sticker) with a slightly unfinished finish.

Either way, I like it. My MacBook keyboard is quite possibly the best keyboard I have ever typed on. Not only can I type faster on it, I can navigate better and not have to apply nearly as much pressure to get the same job done, if anything this keyboard lessens the stress on my hands as I type. Coincidentally, I was talking to a co-worker the other day about how I'd love a keyboard that behaves like my MacBook keyboard does. I may get my wish!

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post #174 of 245
7/27/07 at 10:34pm
I really like it and hope it's real. But my one gripe is it makes it look impossible to make a custom keyboard. I was gonna get the USB keyboard and some FCP keycaps but now I might just keycap my current BT one and use this for everyday computing when it comes out.

Mel why haven't you seen this yet!?
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post #175 of 245
7/28/07 at 1:48am
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Really? Does that apply to the previous generation also?

(eyes the small amount of crumbs/dirt built up in the underside of his Pro keyboard)

I think the term "Dishwasher Safe" is too strong, but if you've had a major spill and it's looking like you're going to buy a new keyboard then it's worth a try:

http://plasticbugs.com/?p=263

You'll be without it for a few days whilst it dries off.

I'm going to stick to using the vacuum for my fully working keyboard.
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post #176 of 245
7/28/07 at 2:11am
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

If they weren't real, do you really think someone would go to this much trouble, by actually making the keyboard? I highly doubt it.

Gentlemen, please, gentlemen. Apple does have a state of the art machine to rapidly build great looking prototypes within 24hrs. This prototype is now ready for usability and likability tests.

My personal opinion on this protoype? Interesting, but it does not turn me on. If I were to be Ive I would get my team members back to the drawing board
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post #177 of 245
7/28/07 at 3:03am
well is it just me or is the flickr accound a bit strange? user name, chr_rong, rong possibly meaning wrong? or i am just trying to make somthing out of a random name :P
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post #178 of 245
7/28/07 at 3:16am
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I think the term "Dishwasher Safe" is too strong, but if you've had a major spill and it's looking like you're going to buy a new keyboard then it's worth a try:

http://plasticbugs.com/?p=263

You'll be without it for a few days whilst it dries off.

I'm going to stick to using the vacuum for my fully working keyboard.

I dunno about the previous generation...

i've washed mine in the dishwasher... need to wash the 2nd keyboard...
i only hate the waiting part... =/
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post #179 of 245
7/28/07 at 5:40am
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I really like it and hope it's real. But my one gripe is it makes it look impossible to make a custom keyboard. I was gonna get the USB keyboard and some FCP keycaps but now I might just keycap my current BT one and use this for everyday computing when it comes out.

We have an actual FCP keyboard where I work and it's terrible. You can't make out the normal lettering so it's hard to do normal typing unless you touch-type.

If you need to get the hotkeys on this keyboard, one huge advantage it will have is that because the keys are spaced out, you can drop a stencil over it with key markings. You can just print your own.

Also, the FCP keyboard we have was actually designed exactly like the Apple one so my guess is, they will take the new design and make custom keyboards out of that.
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post #180 of 245
7/28/07 at 7:26am
Wow. almost 180 posts, over a keyboard.

I get the feeling that people are getting tired of discussing the iPhone.......



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post #181 of 245
7/28/07 at 7:44am
Hey, we had a huge discussion about a new, smaller power supply. I'm not impressed by a new keyboard...
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post #182 of 245
7/28/07 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Wow. almost 180 posts, over a keyboard.

I get the feeling that people are getting tired of discussing the iPhone.......




Hey, it's been a slow year.
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post #183 of 245
7/28/07 at 8:13am
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I think Apple should also offer an ergonomic keyboard as well.

Virtually impossible!

What may be ergonomically suitable to one, may not be for another. Like a glove or shoe. For sure, not one for all.

Unless, of course, we were clones of each other. And lets face it, we would never agree on who. It is too subjective. And if one were to come close, it just may be too expensive, like FingerWorks (http://fingerworks.com/), but fortunately, their work is still appreciated (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/22/s...rks-inventors/)

Apple, unrealized ignorantly by some, invests heavily in ergonomic research. Great paper here but it costs $35 if you want to read it (http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freea...isnumber=20753)

But for myself, I find Moshi's Celesta (http://www.aevoe.com/moshi/celesta_d.htm) perfect for me. Perhaps it is because I have perfect hands. My best take. Let Apple innovate and out will come hundreds who will try to make it better, but thousands who will just attempt to copy and make us think that it is better.

Great story on the mouse http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/m...res/mouse.html
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post #184 of 245
7/28/07 at 8:18am
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.... I have perfect hands.

Such modesty!
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post #185 of 245
7/28/07 at 9:18am
There's no doubt that its a real Apple prototype. Whether it makes final selection; who knows? I like it.
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post #186 of 245
7/28/07 at 2:49pm
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Wow. almost 180 posts, over a keyboard.

I get the feeling that people are getting tired of discussing the iPhone.......




This is nothing. You had to be here when the Mighty Mouse was introduced...
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post #187 of 245
7/28/07 at 3:24pm
I wonder if this will be new Apple keyboard for the Mac Pro?

And will this keyboard design, as it is on the MacBook, at some point carry over to the MacBook Pro?
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post #188 of 245
7/28/07 at 4:30pm
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Such modesty!

I humbly thank you.
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post #189 of 245
7/28/07 at 4:44pm
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Originally Posted by DHagan4755 View Post

I wonder if this will be new Apple keyboard for the Mac Pro?

And will this keyboard design, as it is on the MacBook, at some point carry over to the MacBook Pro?

I hope so.

Having used both the MacBook and the MacBook Pro extensively, I have to say that the MacBook's keyboard is far better than the MacBook Pro's. Hands down. No Contest.

I thought that the latest revision of the MBP would have this type of keyboard, but alas not.
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post #190 of 245
7/28/07 at 6:08pm
Also the fact that this purported keyboard has white elements, seems to put away any rumors that there will be a black version of the next iMac. I don't know...would black keys look good with the aluminum?

Questions...questions...questions...
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post #191 of 245
7/28/07 at 8:06pm
Not crazy about chiclet keys. Not crazy about having an 'fn' key on a full sized keyboard. Bleh.
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post #192 of 245
7/28/07 at 8:50pm
eeeew IT'S UGLY!

first they go from the iMac G4 to that ugly thing that is the current iMac.

then they go from the current apple keyboard to THIS? :x i am VERY disappointed with jon iVy
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post #193 of 245
7/28/07 at 10:18pm
I kind of hope this is not the final keyboard. I have to admit I like being able to press the keys down a bit more, and I also like having them indented so your fingers slide into place. The other thing that bothers me on some keyboards is when the buttons are too soft. When I'm typing, I want to know for sure if I hit the key or not; while typing fast this can be a real pain and source of typos. I tried one of the new Macbook keyboards in a store and it was a little awkward, although maybe it grows on you. I really like the MacBook Pro keyboards though. My fingers just always seem to hit the right keys on them.

As far as naming the keys goes, when I first starting using Macs it took me so long to figure out which key the symbol shown on screen for the "Option" key is.
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post #194 of 245
7/29/07 at 12:48am
There's no ALT key!
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post #195 of 245
7/29/07 at 1:45am
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No way in hell would a keyboard like this fly. It's a photoshop job no doubt.

I can already see the carpel tunnel lawsuits... flat keyboard? You guys are kidding, right? There are very real, very good reasons dektop keyboards are the way they are. Angled, stepped, heavy enough to not move, etc... The necessity for them being flat on a laptop is also blindingly obvious.

Some of you guys really need to think a little before suggesting this piece of junk is actually going to make it to market, let alone a real image. I would return my Mac if it came with a keyboard like that.

Mark my words.. no way in hell. jeez you guys...


Save yourself and someone else some trouble then, if it IS the keyboard just don't bother buying the Mac in the first place, I'm sure Apple could get by without your custom.
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post #196 of 245
7/29/07 at 2:38am
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There's no ALT key!

You can see better than that, can't you?
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post #197 of 245
7/29/07 at 2:56am
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Originally Posted by DHagan4755 View Post

I wonder if this will be new Apple keyboard for the Mac Pro?

When was the time when Apple had two different keyboards for its desktops? I forgot. Back to the G3 iMac days, or even before than that?

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And will this keyboard design, as it is on the MacBook, at some point carry over to the MacBook Pro?

This is a possibility indeed. Apple has yet to reveal a design update for the MacBook Pro, which is way too old (from the beginning of 2003). And with the almost certainty of no update before late autumn, the Powerbook design will easily approach five years of life, probably the longest life span of any computer design in recent years.
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post #198 of 245
7/29/07 at 3:44am
I ordered a spare "current" design keyboard on the 11th (july) because I wanted a spare (it arrived a few days later) because I thought I might be in two minds about the possible new iMac keyboard.

I have to say I'm glad I did, cost these pics (after a couple of days reflection) are ugly, I cant see them being better to use ergonomically, than the Current "scooped out key" design. I think from an engineering point the placement of the USB socket(s) is very clever, but from a user perspective its going to mean cables comming out of the side of the keyboard, never mind USB thumb drive or Logic dongles! UGLY UGLY design choice IMO. as with the current design at least eveything is out the back, and if you have a keyboard shelf in your desk they are hidden.

It LOOKS great as a piece of concept, but falls down on a few practical use points.

I think its definitely a prototype and definitely from Apple, which may point to the reason for the lack of the APPLE key? . I also think the reason for these getting out is to source a leak as said above.

I plan on getting a new iMac as soon as they get a healthy update and if this keyboard is included they I will certianly give it a few weeks trial, but to be honest if it remains as seen so far, it will get passed along to someone else.

There are now, of course, some interesting ideas going round my head about what the new iMac will look like bring it on already!!
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post #199 of 245
7/29/07 at 4:56am
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There's no ALT key!

ALT is called option on the Mac.
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post #200 of 245
7/29/07 at 7:58am
Does anyone think that a new mouse will accompany this new keyboard?
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