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post #41 of 245
7/27/07 at 8:32am
New keyboards are definitely coming soon. I have had an Apple Keyboard/Mouse set that I ordered for a Mac Mini on backorder since the beginning of July. The item ship date keeps getting pushed back once a week.

This would explain things nicely. This may not just be for the iMac, but for the entire line of Apple desktop products.
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post #42 of 245
7/27/07 at 8:34am
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So you take someone else's photos and watermark them with your logo? How professional.

Yeah, why should they do what Engadget has perfected?

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post #43 of 245
7/27/07 at 8:34am
the photographer needs a new ruler
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post #44 of 245
7/27/07 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by taugust04 View Post

New keyboards are definitely coming soon. I have had an Apple Keyboard/Mouse set that I ordered for a Mac Mini on backorder since the beginning of July. The item ship date keeps getting pushed back once a week.

This would explain things nicely. This may not just be for the iMac, but for the entire line of Apple desktop products.

Gosh, you're a genius.

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post #45 of 245
7/27/07 at 8:38am
Keyboards such as laptop keyboards which use "scissor" mechanisms are significantly more flimsy than standard "plunger" type keyboards. One of the most common reasons that laptops are taken in for service is due to keys coming off the keyboard during normal usage. And it's not like people are pounding their fists on the laptop. They are using the laptop keyboard just as they would a desktop keyboard.
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post #46 of 245
7/27/07 at 8:44am
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very nice! I'm not sure how comfortable it would be to type on though. Who really likes laptop keyboards more than regular ones?

That would be me. The short travel of laptop keyboards make it possible for me to type about twice as fast as on any regular keyboard, including the current Apple keyboards. This will be a welcome change.
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post #47 of 245
7/27/07 at 8:49am
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Keyboards such as laptop keyboards which use "scissor" mechanisms are significantly more flimsy than standard "plunger" type keyboards. One of the most common reasons that laptops are taken in for service is due to keys coming off the keyboard during normal usage. And it's not like people are pounding their fists on the laptop. They are using the laptop keyboard just as they would a desktop keyboard.

Apparently you've never watched me compute. You could film an action mini-series about it.

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So you take someone else's photos and watermark them with your logo? How professional.

Yeah, AI... way to photoshop out someone else's watermark and put in your own. You're a slew of scheming, cheating bastards...

And yes, I am prepared to lose two more points.

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post #48 of 245
7/27/07 at 8:51am
Oh, and by the way, I'd like to take a moment of silence to remember the "open-apple" key.

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Requiescat in pace, dearest Open-Apple Key.

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post #49 of 245
7/27/07 at 8:51am
I'm just wondering when we'll get the coveted LCD keyboard? The new multi-touch keyboard that can turn into a mixing console for Garageband/Logic/Soundtrack, or feature a jog-shuttle for FCS/Avid....
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post #50 of 245
7/27/07 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

It looks pretty sweet, but in the edge-on photo you can already see one of the keys at a slightly different angle than the others. That doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about this keyboard's long-term durability.

It's part of the way the board is constructed. My MacBook keyboard has similar 'problems' but it's good as new after a year and a half. I wouldn't sweat it.
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post #51 of 245
7/27/07 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by Clive At Five View Post

Yeah, AI... way to photoshop out someone else's watermark and put in your own. You're a slew of scheming, cheating bastards...

And yes, I am prepared to lose two more points.

-Clive

The original photos were on Flickr, sans watermark. Engadget did the same thing, adding their own watermark once it was posted.
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post #52 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:00am
Any chance of a power button? Any way to power the Mac from the keyboard or not pushing the Mac power button, which is under the table?
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post #53 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:00am
If you look at the command key it actually says command on it and the command symbol but no apple symbol i dont think this is real
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post #54 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:03am
I may regret it, but I call shenanigans.

If they're going for a brushed metal look, this thing would look FAR better (and have a better touch, I might add) using the key configuration from a MBP rather than a standard MP. Add to that, those MBP keys are both already back-lit (something this beast is supposed to do) and do not have spaces between the keys, which may make the keyboard more compact, which seems to fit better with Apple's design philosophy.

Also, why in the heck include the USB cable in these shots? Surely they'd select a bluetooth model to display... I think the white cord is there for effect.

I hope this isn't the one. Sure it's slick and thin and all, but it isn't pretty enough to be an Apple product design... next to the iPhone, which is the most recent sample of Apple design we have, this thing's ugly as a boot.
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post #55 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:06am
Also they finally named the alt key both option and alt. Apple always called it the option key but it's marked as an alt key on a lot of their keyboards.
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post #56 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:08am
This maybe a real keyboard but i dont think its apples. with the placement of the function key and the lack of apple symbol on the command key, the volume the play/pause skip << and >> the eject key,
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post #57 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:08am
The man from Del Monté says yes.

And yes, by real I mean the new keyboard that comes with the new iMac will be 'this' keyboard.

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post #58 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:09am
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If you look at the command key it actually says command on it and the command symbol but no apple symbol i dont think this is real

So? It is the command key, and when you look in the OS at keyboard commands in the menu, you see the command symbol. The Apple on the keyboard was a holdover from the Apple ][ days. I'm not saying good riddance but anyone could have seen this coming.
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post #59 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:09am
I noticed the Command button just says command and doesn't have the ordinary outlined Apple Logo. Nice try though. Probably not the new keyboard. Besides, Jobs just came out and said he doesn't like buttons because they are not aesthetically pleasing.
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post #60 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:11am
Uh-huh. So it's
a) one metre thick or
b) one millimetre thick or
c) just thick
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post #61 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:14am
*kicks and screams*
You can't move my volume keys, remove the Apple symbol, AND make it a laptop keyboard. I can't freaking take it.

And is it just me or does the white on aluminum look tacky? I mean if it was white on white like the MB it would look fine (besides the iMac 'not' being white).
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post #62 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:15am
I like how they right justified the keys on the right and left justified the keys on the left.
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post #63 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:17am
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Besides, Jobs just came out and said he doesn't like buttons because they are not aesthetically pleasing.

So he is going to take away the keyboard? Now that will be the day. I mean sure for light use that required no text input, but with people that need to type papers and forum posts they are here to stay.
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post #64 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

Keyboards such as laptop keyboards which use "scissor" mechanisms are significantly more flimsy than standard "plunger" type keyboards. One of the most common reasons that laptops are taken in for service is due to keys coming off the keyboard during normal usage. And it's not like people are pounding their fists on the laptop. They are using the laptop keyboard just as they would a desktop keyboard.

I've had a cheap and nasty advent keyboard, which you can get for about £10:

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/5758...-multimed.html

for over a year and it works great. I haven't heard of Macbook users complaining at the quality of the keyboards either so I don't think that will be a problem.

Typing on the scissor keyboards is so much easier on the hands because you don't need nearly as much pressure. It's one reason I ditched Apple's keyboard in favor of the Advent one.

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Any chance of a power button? Any way to power the Mac from the keyboard or not pushing the Mac power button, which is under the table?

Yeah, I've been waiting for a return of the power key for ages. It's even more appropriate now that they keep putting the power keys in more awkward to reach places.
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post #65 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:19am
I agree, the white on aluminum does look tacky. As does the white plastic bottom. The only saving grace may be that Apple's aluminum finish generally looks lighter than these pictures indicate, so it may look better IRL.
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post #66 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:19am
I like the design. As far as the absence of the Apple symbol on the Command key...well...Macs run Windows now, so, I can understand the omission. Hey, it's a money making opportunity from somebody...stick on Apple/Windows logos.

Doesn't the bottom view, around the USB connectors look a bit wonky? I mean, it appears (from my amateurish eyes, at least) that the area between & below the USB ports is deeper than the ports, but the side view says the ports are the lowest portion of the keyboard. Maybe it's me.
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post #67 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:19am
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So you take someone else's photos and watermark them with your logo? How professional.



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That would be me. The short travel of laptop keyboards make it possible for me to type about twice as fast as on any regular keyboard, including the current Apple keyboards. This will be a welcome change.

I also prefer laptop keyboards to desktop keyboards. When switching from my iBook G3's keyboard to a black or white Apple Pro keyboard, the Pro's keys feel mushy in comparison. I also type faster on my iBook's keyboard: ~50wpm on an Apple Pro keyboard, ~60wpm on my iBook's keyboard.

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Any chance of a power button? Any way to power the Mac from the keyboard or not pushing the Mac power button, which is under the table?

I do miss this feature from the blue-and-white keyboards (the only USB keyboards with a power button...) and the beige keyboards. It's one of the things that I like about my iBook: the power button essentially is on the keyboard, nice and convenient.

I think that the media keys are nice. Anyone know what the F3 and F4 keys are?
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post #68 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:19am
Where is the function selector key? The way it looks there, screen dim is F1, screen brightness is F2, but that leaves out alternate uses of the F1 & F2 keys, not to mention all the other functions. The notebooks have a key that alternates the use of the key.

OK, wait, it appears to be above the arrow keys. Then where's the help key? I suppose users of this keyboard will never need help?
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post #69 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by reallynotnick View Post

*kicks and screams*
You can't move my volume keys, remove the Apple symbol, AND make it a laptop keyboard. I can't freaking take it.

And is it just me or does the white on aluminum look tacky? I mean if it was white on white like the MB it would look fine (besides the iMac 'not' being white).

Not only did they move the volume keys, but it looks like we might have to hit shift in order to use them???

If not, what are the changes for expose?

No apple button...

This might be close to the design but I can't see them making those stupid changes to the buttons.
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post #70 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:20am
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very nice! I'm not sure how comfortable it would be to type on though. Who really likes laptop keyboards more than regular ones?

I prefer my MacBook's keyboard over any other keyboard that I've typed one. This new keyboard looks incredibly tasty to me.
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post #71 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:22am
who has bets on a new mouse too?
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post #72 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:22am
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I prefer my MacBook's keyboard over any other keyboard that I've typed one. This new keyboard looks incredibly tasty to me.

Ditto.
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post #73 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:23am
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Where is the function selector key? The way it looks there, screen dim is F1, screen brightness is F2, but that leaves out alternate uses of the F1 & F2 keys, not to mention all the other functions. The notebooks have a key that alternates the use of the key.

OK, wait, it appears to be above the arrow keys. Then where's the help key? I suppose users of this keyboard will never need help?

last time I checked the option for making the screen brighter or darker is only on the laptops and not on the desktops. At least it isn't on my Intel iMac.
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post #74 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:24am
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I noticed the Command button just says command and doesn't have the ordinary outlined Apple Logo. Nice try though. Probably not the new keyboard. Besides, Jobs just came out and said he doesn't like buttons because they are not aesthetically pleasing.

I don't know if he's directly said that in public. I wonder if you are referring to the recent WSJ blog post / article, which wasn't an interview, but a synthesis and interpretation of many pieces of information.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article....html?mod=blog
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post #75 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:25am
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So you take someone else's photos and watermark them with your logo? How professional.

Those are watermarks? I was getting excited about the idea of my next Mac keyboard was going to be AI-branded! Way to dash THOSE hopes!

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post #76 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:28am
The third picture shows a label on the back of the keyboard that says "Apple Development Team" - this is a prototype, not a final model.
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post #77 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:28am
Eh, the look isn't awful, but I still prefer the current keyboard apart from its tendency to get full of eyelashes and random debris. What we really, really need is a USB-chargeable li-ion battery wireless keyboard. You could use it as wireless or unwired, it could continue to be a USB hub when plugged in, and no more buying batteries for the damn thing. It'd be the perfect Apple keyboard.
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post #78 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by Mandricard View Post

Whether or not it is called "command key," I think it makes no sense to remove ALL visible apple-branding from the top of the KB. I think this is not a production unit... if real at all.

I agree. Why get rid of the Apple logo from the key? Working all these years in my mind it has been "Apple + S" to save. Not "Command + S." "Apple + P" for print. Not "Command + P." Etc. When you incorporate the company's name in 100's of daily functions like that; Now that is branding!
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post #79 of 245
7/27/07 at 9:32am
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last time I checked the option for making the screen brighter or darker is only on the laptops and not on the desktops. At least it isn't on my Intel iMac.

You are right. I don't think there is anything preventing that change from happening, iMac's screen brightness is software controlled, and it's the same way for any Mac using a Cinema Display.

It looks like a pretty elaborate mock-up. If it's not a photo of a real Apple part, it would seem a lot of work was put into it. It could be real. If it is, then the Mac Pro would get a better matching keyboard, and better match the alleged aluminum iMac. If it's not, then someone's spent a lot of time making a dummy keyboard.

The rearranged keys could be that way to throw people off and think it's fake, or could be someone else reimagining the way things might be, but I think it might be too drastic of a change, even for Apple.
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7/27/07 at 9:32am
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last time I checked the option for making the screen brighter or darker is only on the laptops and not on the desktops. At least it isn't on my Intel iMac.

try F15 and F14...

I like how the "help" key has been removed and replaced with the laptop "fn" key
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