Originally Posted by vinea
So tell me what can an iMac do that a Mac Book Pro can't do?
It doesn't have to be an imac as long as it isn't a portable.
The last thing I, and many others apparently want on our desks are laptops with bigger monitors plugged in, and desktop keyboards.
Is that what you have in your work environment?
You can have a viable Apple computer line up with nothing but laptops, workstations and servers.
Your saying so doesn't make it so. There will be about 100 million desktops sold this year. Why is that? Every person and organization could have bought laptops instead, but they didn't.
Assume we keep the Mac Pro, xServe, aTV and current notebook lines.
iMac and Mini completely gone but replaced by:
iHome NAS/iTunes server based on the aTV motherboard
11" ultraportable MBP
20" desktop replacement MBP
iDock for the MB/MBP that allows for 2x24" ACD or a single 30" ACD and has 2 SATA bays. Drives available when docked or via wireless connection.
I still wouldn't want a 20" MBP. I want a 22", or 24", or a 30". What now? You have, again, to go buy that extra monitor.
And you assume that people like portable keyboards. Many people don't.
Again, I'm not saying it must be an iMac. For all I care, Apple could just keep the 24" in the line for general purchase, and sell the 20" to schools.
Sure, get rid of the Mini. But replace them with something else, such as that mini tower.
Are you saying these machines can't do EVERYTHING the iMac can do and better? Are you saying the line up is weaker?
Because I think not with the ultraportable and NAS/iTunes server.
I agree that your combo would do everything. But, my above comments show where I don't think it would go down big with the large desktop buying groups. I know you disagree.
Mmm...I would say their margins are similar between iMac and MBP. I dunno the iMac is higher profile than the MB/MBP lines.
I would say that the 20" desktop replacement and 11" ultraportable done right would be premiere products and very high profile.
I'm not talking about margins, or at least I didn't mean to.
What I meant was that without the desktops in the line, and at the time we were discussing this earlier, I assumed that you were also classifying the Mac Pro in that catagory, there wouldn't be much "pull' toward the laptops without the high profile businesses.
Without them, high end software development would come to an abrupt halt.
since you are excluding the workstations from that equation, the situation would be a bit different, but not totally.
Ergonomic quality? There's zero ergonomic difference between my MBP and MP as I use the same keyboard and monitor for both.
You misunderstood me. I'm talking about between desktop machines and laptops, not MB's and MBP's. Though people do say that the MBP keyboard is better, as are the screens.
See, and you DO need to buy an extra (as apart from what comes with the laptop) monitor and keyboard. Extra room and expense.
Higher performance I grant for the Mac Pro but less so for the iMac.
True, less so for the iMac.
Not if you limit it to the current line up, no. And why would those parts of the business die?
They would die for the reasons I gave. Apple simply can't continue a successful professional business with just the power and sophistication of laptops. There are things they do well, but there are things they aren't suited for.
But only one real addition is required. The dock. With the dock with 15" MBP can do anything that an iMac can do. Possibly better if you want to add a single PCIe slot to the dock.
A dock would help. But, for most, it isn't a suitable replacement. They haven't proven themselves to be wildly popular. Apple had them. Few bought them.
The 20" desktop replacement would be a really nice to have to fill out the top end prosumer. Replace the X1800 in the M2010 with a better GeForce GPU and add the 2.8Ghz X7900 as a BTO option and it fills any need below the Mac Pro.
I really don't understand why you would think that that would really be suitable as a replacement. It seems to be very clumsy to me. I know few people who would want to lug it around. And if it's going to permanently replace a desktop model, then there's no purpose to it at all.
The NAS/iTunes server would go nicely with the aTV and a MB or MBP for a total home solution sans desktop. iDock in the den with the iHome NAS/iTunes Server. aTV works just fine when all the notebooks are out of the house. Mom, Dad and the kids with the MB and MBPs have mobile computing around the house or docked as needed for larger dual montiors and bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
A NAS server can be, and is, used with desktop networks as well. I'm thinking of getting one myself for our network.
Vinea, this is a matter of viewpoints. The only way we'll see who is correct, is to wait five years and come back to it.
I suspect we'll have our boxing gloves on again.