Originally Posted by melgross
It doesn't have to be an imac as long as it isn't a portable.
The iMac is not an overwhelming desktop.
The last thing I, and many others apparently want on our desks are laptops with bigger monitors plugged in, and desktop keyboards.
Is that what you have in your work environment?
I have a Mac Pro and a MBP because of some of the work I do but I could easily live with a slightly beefed up MBP from the current santa rosas. With a Condor GRID in place and the ability to RDP to the big iron in the IT department where I can get a virtual machine with far more compute cycles than my Mac Pro and you're unchained from a desktop except when your UI requirements exceed what you can get from a mobile unit.
Most folks here do have a laptop vs a desktop now. They don't need much CPU for stuff and a laptop lets them work from home.
Your saying so doesn't make it so. There will be about 100 million desktops sold this year. Why is that? Every person and organization could have bought laptops instead, but they didn't.
Of that 100M only 2.4M were Mac desktops. While I don't think the iMac is going away it doesn't mean its critical to the lineup.
There are more and more folks getting laptops instead of desktops. I don't think that trend is disputed. That holds within the Apple demographic as well.
Given that Apple tends to be forward thinking and our demographic is loyal and also forward thinking I could see Apple moving toward a mobile/semi-mobile only lineup.
I still wouldn't want a 20" MBP. I want a 22", or 24", or a 30". What now? You have, again, to go buy that extra monitor.
Two really unless you get the 30". However since Apple's demographic trends toward the upper end of the market, cost is not as significant a factor any more than it is for any other luxury/premium brand.
And you assume that people like portable keyboards. Many people don't.
Apple too judging by the recent keyboard design. In any case there are these things called USB ports...and I did say that an iDock would be a requirement for much easier attachment to displays and input devices before losing the iMac line is feasible.
Again, I'm not saying it must be an iMac. For all I care, Apple could just keep the 24" in the line for general purchase, and sell the 20" to schools.
Sure, get rid of the Mini. But replace them with something else, such as that mini tower.
Given there no mini-tower at the moment that seems unlikely and we're talking about whether Apple can meet the needs of its market segments with an all mobile lineup.
There is a trend to laptops and away from computer labs in schools. The MB seems a reasonable replacement for the iMac.
I agree that your combo would do everything. But, my above comments show where I don't think it would go down big with the large desktop buying groups. I know you disagree.
The large desktop buying group that is 1/3 the size of the folks buying laptops in Apple's lineup?
What I meant was that without the desktops in the line, and at the time we were discussing this earlier, I assumed that you were also classifying the Mac Pro in that catagory, there wouldn't be much "pull' toward the laptops without the high profile businesses.
Without them, high end software development would come to an abrupt halt.
Without the Mac Pro and the xServe that would certainly be true.
since you are excluding the workstations from that equation, the situation would be a bit different, but not totally.
Find me a pro user that would prefer an iMac vs a MBP with an iDock.
You misunderstood me. I'm talking about between desktop machines and laptops, not MB's and MBP's. Though people do say that the MBP keyboard is better, as are the screens.
I apologize, I said MP rather than spelling it out as Mac Pro. There is no ergonomic difference between my Mac Pro and my MBP as I used the same keyboard and 30" ACD with both. The MBP is currently on a 24" monitor at the moment.
See, and you DO need to buy an extra (as apart from what comes with the laptop) monitor and keyboard. Extra room and expense.
Sure. Although an updated MB (with Santa Rosa) and 20" monitor isn't any more than a current 20" iMac. If priced with a 20" ACD + iDock for $1499 that wouldn't be any more expensive at the cost of dedicated graphics.
They would die for the reasons I gave. Apple simply can't continue a successful professional business with just the power and sophistication of laptops. There are things they do well, but there are things they aren't suited for.
Again, what can't a MBP do that an iMac can?
A dock would help. But, for most, it isn't a suitable replacement. They haven't proven themselves to be wildly popular. Apple had them. Few bought them.
In what context? There are few laptops in a business environment that I don't see coupled with a docking station in the office. As you say, there is an egonomic difference between laptops and desktops and a dock eliminates that difference.
Now it will always be a lower cost option to provide certain staff with desktops vs laptops with dock.
However for knowledge and creative workers the laptop is a more useful and cost effective solution in terms of how computers improve workflow and quality of life (important if you care about retention rates, productivity, etc) as opposed to absolute capital expenditure. It would always be cheaper to buy nothing.
I really don't understand why you would think that that would really be suitable as a replacement. It seems to be very clumsy to me. I know few people who would want to lug it around. And if it's going to permanently replace a desktop model, then there's no purpose to it at all.
It addresses the power user/prosumer segment that would wish to have a larger more capable machine at the expense of mobility. As folks here have stated there are pro and prosumers using Macs to capture raw HD. A 20" MBP with fast drives would be a good fit for many creative users that need power with a certain level of mobility but end up tethered once on site.
A NAS server can be, and is, used with desktop networks as well. I'm thinking of getting one myself for our network.
Vinea, this is a matter of viewpoints. The only way we'll see who is correct, is to wait five years and come back to it.
I suspect we'll have our boxing gloves on again.
While I don't see Apple abandoning the iMac in the next 5 years the fact remains that the iMac is essentially a low-mobility laptop. Apple has already abandoned the traditional desktop market with only AIOs, SFF and workstations.
That ship has sailed.
While I don't expect a full transition to just mobile products that there is a company (Toshiba) shipping more units than Apple that only has mobile products coupled with Apple's current product line and that I've shown that every major Apple market segment can be met with a mobility or CE product I think I've made the case that Apple COULD go that way without going out of business.
Not that it WILL...just that it COULD.
I will make you a 5 year bet though: In 5 years Apple will have one traditional laptop left in their lineup and it will fill the same role as the Mac Pro does in its current line up.
Everything else will be UMPCs (done correctly), phones and multitouch tablets (slates most likely). In 5 years only the very top end laptops (like current day workstations) will command 28% margins. Like with the desktops Apple will have unique mobile form factors and abandon the traditional laptop form factor.
If there is to be a successful tablet it will be made by Apple...just like the only successful AIO it is being made by Apple.
Apple's investment in OSX allows this and it is an ADVANTAGE to going all mobile or going offbeat form factor not a hindrance. Without OSX the iMac would sell about as well as Sony's AIO. Sucky.