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post #41 of 134
8/6/07 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by iDave View Post

Ok. NOT EVERYONE WANTS AN INTEGRATED DISPLAY. We need a minitower of some sort, with decent graphics and CPU, without an integrated display, at the iMac price point.

Maybe Mac Pro will be given a new partner, a screen with a camera....
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post #42 of 134
8/6/07 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by iDave View Post

Apple wouldn't really surprise me with this. They dropped their low end iBook at $999 and replaced it with the low end MacBook at $1099. More than a year later, it's the same price.

Exactly. Welcome to the dark side of Apple. Granted though the low-end 17 inch iMac had integrated graphics, among other things, and was, in my mind, a hobbled machine. It never even was an option for me.
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post #43 of 134
8/6/07 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by cygnusrk727 View Post

Exactly. Welcome to the dark side of Apple. Granted though the low-end 17 inch iMac had integrated graphics, among other things, and was, in my mind, a hobbled machine. It never even was an option for me.

For all we know, Apple may have found that not many of the $999 iMacs are selling, even though they're just under a grand.

I hate to use a car analogy but at the end of a model year, it seems frequently that the low end models with the fewest options are the ones left over.
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post #44 of 134
8/6/07 at 8:43pm
1 Gig of RAM would be criminal for any computer over $700 these days, a total mismatch for any processor you'd expect in the iMac's pricerange (fast dual core processors, I imagine).
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post #45 of 134
8/6/07 at 8:53pm
I don't know - somehow I believe that they are going to bring down the 24" imac at 1799 price point to introduce a "one more thing" imac at 30" and 2199 or a 24" and a BD-ROM at 2199. Either way, something else is afoot with the iMac. When His Steveness suggested "off the charts" iMac, I am sure he did not just see a metallic iMac. This would also have an HDCP compliant DVI or HDMI port of some sort.

Also the .Mac stuff - man, everyone talks about more space etc. Why not ".Mac is your mac on the net" ? Already SJ has said that Leopard has the ability to bring remote logons to your home mac - it would only be fitting to make this available with .Mac today.

12 more hours are unbearable.
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post #46 of 134
8/6/07 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by luvosx View Post

I don't know - somehow I believe that they are going to bring down the 24" imac at 1799 price point to introduce a "one more thing" imac at 30" and 2199...

That would be sweet. I'm in the market for a 30" display. If I could get that and a nice new Mac to go with it for $2199, I might actually consider getting an iMac, even though I hate the all-in-one concept. Somehow I doubt it will happen this year.
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post #47 of 134
8/6/07 at 9:14pm
Of course - well may be when u put it that way, it may be more like 2499 (mac mini 699 + 30" 1799). Guess I have to start begging the wife big time, about now.

What I don't understand is that the iMac looks nice and all when it stands up without anything else attached. It becomes ugly and untenable when you connect a USB printer, Scanner, external drive and a camera. Now not everyone (i mean no one really) likes to disconnect and connect cables everytime they use these devices.

Why not provide the power cord with all the ports at the other end (much like the power + the unfortunately closed down Marathon Reporter kind of device at the other end so that all the ugliness is hidden under the desk rather than above and on the sides of the iMac ? I believe this compromises the design to a large extent.
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post #48 of 134
8/6/07 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by murphyweb View Post

I think the combo drive is dead folks, i do not see the point in including it anymore.
I also think that a look at the MBP's is the best indication of the way that the new iMacs will be split...


20": 2.2GHz
* 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 1GB memory
* 160GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with 128MB SDRAM


$1,199.00


20" 2.4GHz
* 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 2GB memory
* 250GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with 256MB SDRAM

$1,499.00


24" 2.4GHz
* 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 2GB memory
* 500GB hard drive1
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive
* NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics with 512MB SDRAM

$1,799.00

I agree with these specs the most however I think 500GB HD may be pushing it, I wasn't aware the 8600 has a 512MB version but if it does and it's available that would be awesome. That best one seems too close to a Mac Pro's specs (aside from the processor) to me.
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post #49 of 134
8/6/07 at 9:41pm
*sigh* a minor rev of the mini likely means no santa rosa and perhaps just a merom bump.
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post #50 of 134
8/6/07 at 9:42pm
yikes

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next year:
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post #51 of 134
8/6/07 at 9:42pm
New August iMacs:
Santa Rosa treatment for the AIO iMac:
New case design
4MB L2 cache Core 2 Duo
800 MHz FSB
AirPort Extreme 802.11g/n, Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR
New keyboard design

$1199
20-inch
2.2 GHz Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
160GB hard drive
8x DL SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 8400 GS graphics with 256MB SDRAM

$1499
20-inch
2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
250GB hard drive
8x DL SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT graphics with 256MB SDRAM

$1799
24-inch
2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo
2GB memory
500GB hard drive
16x DL SuperDrive (Blu-ray option?)
NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT graphics with 256MB SDRAM
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post #52 of 134
8/6/07 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by Cubit View Post

What is this talk of thorny bushes, shamrocks, and shenanigans? Sounds lik e time for a Susan McKeown standard Ord Mhle Gra (A Thousand Times My Love).

that was WAY more confusing than my original post, which i admit, was pretty confusing.

combo drives are dead.

3 price points. 20", souped up 20", and 24".

hardware bumps and a lot better ilife and .mac integration with iphone (video streaming and what not)

none of this fancy shmancy multi touch. too early

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post #53 of 134
8/6/07 at 9:58pm
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Originally Posted by davebarnes View Post

"Top-end will hopefully ship with 2GB RAM."

I hope not. I don't want to pay for 2GB that I will throw away and replace with 3 or 4 GB (depending upon CPU support).
I would prefer a high-end machine with MAX RAM or none at all.

Apple might go to the pricing scheme they now have for the Mac Pro. Have a base price, and allow customers pick and choose the options, such as cpu speed, GPU (they offered two for the 24"), memory, HHD, etc.

That would be the best way.
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post #54 of 134
8/6/07 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by iDave View Post

For all we know, Apple may have found that not many of the $999 iMacs are selling, even though they're just under a grand.

I hate to use a car analogy but at the end of a model year, it seems frequently that the low end models with the fewest options are the ones left over.

The biggest buyers of the 17" have been the K-12 school systems. They have been moving, on the high school level at least, to the 20" models.
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post #55 of 134
8/6/07 at 10:16pm
I'm guessing quad core with higher res displays along with new cases for the iMac.

If the mini is updated, I hope they put in a real graphics card.

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post #56 of 134
8/6/07 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by sc_markt View Post

I'm guessing quad core with higher res displays along with new cases for the iMac.

If the mini is updated, I hope they put in a real graphics card.

Never happen. If they did that, they would have to change the entire case design to something bigger, and then it wouldn't be the Mini anymore.

Maybe the Maxi.
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post #57 of 134
8/6/07 at 10:44pm
I hope they dont take Mac Pro scheme and learned from their losses.
That system only works well for USA residents or countries with an Apple Store. But for the rest its a pain in the butt cause it restrict options.
For an example, Latin America. You are forced to buy from distribuitors stock models, no BTO allowed, this situation it not only happen in my area, also in Asia, even some countries in Europe.
I used to sell a lot of entry level G5 Towers, now I have sold only 5 stock machines and 2 USA orders for 8cores.
It was way different for a customer to pay for a G5 2.3 Dual Core tower $2,600.00 than pay $3,150.00 for a 2.66 quad Mac Pro.

Its expensive to buy a Mac here cause the taxes and the shipping, Still dont understand people in USA complaining about prices when those folks earn so much money, sure they have a higher cost in some services/stuff but its kind of lame.

A 512 8600GT would be sweet on the 24", I really dont care HD DVD or Blue Ray, when it becomes an standard in a couple of years I will buy a stand alone player/recorder. No need to worry about.

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post #58 of 134
8/6/07 at 11:01pm
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Originally Posted by Cubit View Post

Maybe Mac Pro will be given a new partner, a screen with a camera....


Not likely as most pro users have multiple displays, and having mulitple displays with built-in iSight cams would be a waste..

Because of this, I really don't see the Cinema Displays ever including built in cams.
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post #59 of 134
8/6/07 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

Not likely as most pro users have multiple displays, and having mulitple displays with built-in iSight cams would be a waste..

Because of this, I really don't see the Cinema Displays ever including built in cams.

Amen to that ! Of course this also means iSight would be available as a separate option

Then again, they may have a way of mounting the isight into the frame should you need one.
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post #60 of 134
8/6/07 at 11:26pm
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Originally Posted by plokoonpma View Post

A 512 8600GT would be sweet on the 24"....

hmm, i wonder if there will be a 512MB GPU in the top-end machine, considering the MBP might have one that has been crippled to 256....
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post #61 of 134
8/6/07 at 11:57pm
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Originally Posted by plokoonpma View Post

I hope they dont take Mac Pro scheme and learned from their losses.
That system only works well for USA residents or countries with an Apple Store. But for the rest its a pain in the butt cause it restrict options.
For an example, Latin America. You are forced to buy from distribuitors stock models, no BTO allowed, this situation it not only happen in my area, also in Asia, even some countries in Europe.
I used to sell a lot of entry level G5 Towers, now I have sold only 5 stock machines and 2 USA orders for 8cores.
It was way different for a customer to pay for a G5 2.3 Dual Core tower $2,600.00 than pay $3,150.00 for a 2.66 quad Mac Pro.

Its expensive to buy a Mac here cause the taxes and the shipping, Still dont understand people in USA complaining about prices when those folks earn so much money, sure they have a higher cost in some services/stuff but its kind of lame.

A 512 8600GT would be sweet on the 24", I really dont care HD DVD or Blue Ray, when it becomes an standard in a couple of years I will buy a stand alone player/recorder. No need to worry about.


I'm sorry for you guys that don't have an Apple store, but that doesn't mean that we should have the same problems you have.

I don't agree that Apple should go for the lowest common denominator. The biggest market for its goods are right here.
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post #62 of 134
8/6/07 at 11:58pm
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Originally Posted by luvosx View Post

Amen to that ! Of course this also means iSight would be available as a separate option

Then again, they may have a way of mounting the isight into the frame should you need one.

They would have to bring it back.
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post #63 of 134
8/7/07 at 12:01am
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Originally Posted by sennen View Post

hmm, i wonder if there will be a 512MB GPU in the top-end machine, considering the MBP might have one that has been crippled to 256....

Stop with the crippled. There's little evidence that 512MB RAM on a gpu card makes much, if any, difference, and only on the highest end cards.

So, I guess that every graphics card on the market (about 98%) that doesn't have 512MB is crippled.

That's poor logic.
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post #64 of 134
8/7/07 at 12:16am
I would love to see a decent “Mac mini” update, it is long overdue. For now, I hope that these rumors are not completely wrong!

IMO the combo drives should be completely dropped, in 2007 a drive incapable of writing a DVD is simply unacceptable, especially in the price segment of 1000+ dollars/euros. It‘s anachronistic.
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post #65 of 134
8/7/07 at 12:25am
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Originally Posted by zorinlynx View Post

NOT EVERYONE WANTS AN INTEGRATED DISPLAY.

We need a minitower of some sort, with decent graphics and CPU, without an integrated display, at the iMac price point.
YOU CAN DO IT APPLE! YOU REALLY CAN!

NOT EVERYONE WANTS AN INTEGRATED DISPLAY.

We need a minitower of some sort, with decent graphics and CPU, without an integrated display, at the iMac price point. - or actually a little lower.

I am a buying power - so listen to me Apple....
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post #66 of 134
8/7/07 at 12:54am
I know that the general consensus is no mini-tower, although many want it.

My assertion is that Time Machine BEGS for a computer with the ability to have 2 hard drives.

And I don't think that it should be only for the very expensive Mac Pro, nor do I believe it needs to be only used with an external HD.

My feeling (although not entirely a HUGE gut feeling) is that you WILL see a mini-tower tomorrow with the ability to have a second hard drive.

If not, then it will be introduced when Leopard ships.

Time Machine isn't anywhere near as great if it is being used on the same HD. That HD goes bad, and you're toast.

Mac mini-tower now, or when Leopard ships.
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post #67 of 134
8/7/07 at 1:20am
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Originally Posted by ncbill View Post

Low-end will have the combo drive and integrated graphics.

Combo drive is Apple standard for the low-end model.

Plus the low-end model will be the one sold to education - even $50 makes a difference to those buyers

Edu buyers will be upset enough that there is no longer a $999 model for them.

i think you are wrong with your predictions!
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post #68 of 134
8/7/07 at 3:51am
No one seems to care bout "getting thin"?

Eye witnesses said the new iMac will be only 2cm thin! For me it means also:

- 2.5" HDD (will be fast enough?)

- very small (thin) speakers = poor notebook-like sound?
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post #69 of 134
8/7/07 at 4:03am
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Originally Posted by luvosx View Post

I don't know - somehow I believe that they are going to bring down the 24" imac at 1799 price point to introduce a "one more thing" imac at 30" and 2199 or a 24" and a BD-ROM at 2199. Either way, something else is afoot with the iMac. When His Steveness suggested "off the charts" iMac, I am sure he did not just see a metallic iMac. This would also have an HDCP compliant DVI or HDMI port of some sort.

Also the .Mac stuff - man, everyone talks about more space etc. Why not ".Mac is your mac on the net" ? Already SJ has said that Leopard has the ability to bring remote logons to your home mac - it would only be fitting to make this available with .Mac today.

12 more hours are unbearable.

Thats actually a really good idea to have a bunch of already really good iMacs, and then to come out with a more expensive one and to give it extra features (like a BD-ROM) and really make it special. A $1799 dollar iMac is the most expensive configuration? Yeah right.
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post #70 of 134
8/7/07 at 4:08am
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

As with all last-minute rumors, AppleInsider recommends taking this information with a grain of salt and waiting out the last few hours to hear the official word from Apple.

As opposed to what? going ahead and ordering a BTO Mac based on ones own made up spec?
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post #71 of 134
8/7/07 at 4:25am
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Originally Posted by Appleinsider

Meanwhile, there are unconfirmed last minute reports that Apple may extend the life of the Mac mini by squeezing another slight revision from the petite desktop's existing architecture.

Yeah, it's called back-paddling. The Mini is here to stay. I better not hear the same crap about the Mini dying over the next year either 'cos it ain't going to happen with the iMac sitting with a $1200 entry point.

I think the Mini will also offer 7200rpm drives. The iMac could easily switch to 2.5" drives too but I don't see it because people are used to having large capacity options.
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post #72 of 134
8/7/07 at 4:38am
A few hours to go and iMac shipping times are STILL at 24 hrs...
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post #73 of 134
8/7/07 at 4:39am
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Originally Posted by iMacExpectant View Post

No one seems to care bout "getting thin"?

Eye witnesses said the new iMac will be only 2cm thin! For me it means also:

- 2.5" HDD (will be fast enough?)

- very small (thin) speakers = poor notebook-like sound?

I don't think Apple can switch to mobile hard drives now. A large part of the Mac mini's problem is that mobile hard drives both reduce the capacity and drive up the price. Apple could have a 320GB desktop drive for the cost they'd pay for a 120GB mobile disk (based on a cursory look at my local shop's rates).

I think you may have read "2in" and not "2cm." There aren't any desktop hard drives that would fit in such a small case.while still providing good performance.

My call for specs:

20-inch: 2.2GHz
- 1GB RAM
- 128MB Radeon HD 2400
- 250GB hard drive
- 8X Superdrive
- $1199

20-inch: 2.4GHz
- 2GB RAM
- 128MB Radeon HD 2600 (256MB option)
- 500GB hard drive
- 8X Superdrive
- $1499

24-inch: 2.4GHz
- 2GB RAM
- 256MB GeForce 8600 GT (GTS an option)
- 500GB hard drive
- 8X Superdrive
- $1799

I suspect details will change (the mid-range model could go with 250GB storage, CPU speeds could be lower), but this to me makes the most sense knowing Apple's past models.
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post #74 of 134
8/7/07 at 4:59am
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Originally Posted by Commodus View Post

I think you may have read "2in" and not "2cm."

Nope. I didn't read it. I spoke with guy, who seen it. He's from Central Europe, they use only metric system. He would never confuse cm and inches. I rather want believe in his "bad eye". 3.5cm would be better for normal HDD and it's still under 2 inches predicted by rumours.

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There aren't any desktop hard drives that would fit in such a small case.while still providing good performance.

That's why "getting thinner" worries me.
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post #75 of 134
8/7/07 at 5:09am
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Stop with the crippled. There's little evidence that 512MB RAM on a gpu card makes much, if any, difference, and only on the highest end cards.

touchy! jeez! so you're saying that a 512mb card won't run pro apps (such as motion and after effects) any better than a 256mb one?

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So, I guess that every graphics card on the market (about 98%) that doesn't have 512MB is crippled.

That's poor logic.

that's not my logic at all. i'm not sure at all where you pulled that from.

i'm referring to the reports of MBP graphics cards being seen in XP as 512mb cards, rather than the apple advertised 256. i hadn't seen any definitive word on this, if there have been any developments feel free to enlighten me, but please don't bite my head off again.
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post #76 of 134
8/7/07 at 5:11am
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Originally Posted by Commodus View Post

I don't think Apple can switch to mobile hard drives now. A large part of the Mac mini's problem is that mobile hard drives both reduce the capacity and drive up the price. Apple could have a 320GB desktop drive for the cost they'd pay for a 120GB mobile disk (based on a cursory look at my local shop's rates).

I think you may have read "2in" and not "2cm." There aren't any desktop hard drives that would fit in such a small case.while still providing good performance.

My call for specs:

20-inch: 2.2GHz
- 1GB RAM
- 128MB Radeon HD 2400
- 250GB hard drive
- 8X Superdrive
- $1199

20-inch: 2.4GHz
- 2GB RAM
- 128MB Radeon HD 2600 (256MB option)
- 500GB hard drive
- 8X Superdrive
- $1499

24-inch: 2.4GHz
- 2GB RAM
- 256MB GeForce 8600 GT (GTS an option)
- 500GB hard drive
- 8X Superdrive
- $1799

I suspect details will change (the mid-range model could go with 250GB storage, CPU speeds could be lower), but this to me makes the most sense knowing Apple's past models.


Just remember you heard it here (From me) - that you will ALL be VERY surprised by what is announced VERY surprised!

Now this isn't to say, you won't be disappointed as well, but VERY surprised

Skip

PS Can anyone say "Revolutionary???"
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post #77 of 134
8/7/07 at 5:17am
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Originally Posted by ncee View Post

Just remember you heard it here (From me) - that you will ALL be VERY surprised by what is announced VERY surprised!

Now this isn't to say, you won't be disappointed as well, but VERY surprised

Skip

PS Can anyone say "Revolutionary???"

Steve!!! You.... torturing, tempting, thrilling.... BEAST!!!

I don't think so, but... it would be nice!
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post #78 of 134
8/7/07 at 5:25am
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Originally Posted by iDave View Post

Apple wouldn't really surprise me with this. They dropped their low end iBook at $999 and replaced it with the low end MacBook at $1099. More than a year later, it's the same price.

Keep in mind, if it's true, you'd be getting a bigger screen for your $200 in addition to whatever else might be improved.

But not anywhere near the same computer.
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post #79 of 134
8/7/07 at 5:27am
I want to put a mac mini in my car. And next to my tv. What kind of price drop are we talking about? If i can get a mini for $300, i think i might crap my pants.

Oh yeah, and the mini-tower thing is never happening. Apple doesn't care about you, because an E-Machine really is no alternative anyways. They know that when push comes to shove, you'll just buy a macbook and get some sweet speakers.

Esp. if they're giving away an ipod and a printer with it. Mini-tower my ass.
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post #80 of 134
8/7/07 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by iDave View Post

For all we know, Apple may have found that not many of the $999 iMacs are selling, even though they're just under a grand.

I hate to use a car analogy but at the end of a model year, it seems frequently that the low end models with the fewest options are the ones left over.

The low end models aren't meant to sell they're meant to provide a platform to up-sell from.
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