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post #121 of 434
8/7/07 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

It's refreshing to read comments from someone who hasn't fallen under the influence of the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field. Or maybe you're just trying to be controversial. Either way, it's refreshing.

I was spoiled by the jewel that was my B&W G3. The "replacements" are either too expensive (Mac pro) or underpowered (iMac) and haven't quite matched its level of innovation or ease of upgrade. I keep hoping they'll make a modern day version with a P35 board and Core 2 Duo/Quad CPUs. Then again, I've also hoped they would get over Steve's biases and just buy Elgato.
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post #122 of 434
8/7/07 at 2:26pm
Hmm, well it's a huge improvement over the previous iMac incarnation, but still...THE DREADED CHIN!

Glass over the LCD a big +, very surprised nobody's done this before, will be a big help keeping the kid's fingers from poking the LCD.

I'm not sold on the keyboard. Yeah, it's dead sexy, but what's it going to be like typing on it all day? Doesn't look ergonomic to me. I'll reserve my vote until I get down to the Apple store and try it out.
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post #123 of 434
8/7/07 at 2:32pm
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What type of display do those iMacs have?
6 bit still?

dont know about the 17 or 24 ones but the 20 inch had a 24 bit (8 bit X 3) display on it.
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post #124 of 434
8/7/07 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by iBrad View Post

Just bought the following:

iMac, 24-inch, Intel Core 2 Duo
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
4GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x2GB
Accessory kit
Built-in Display \
320GB Serial ATA Drive
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Apple Wireless Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
Apple wireless Mighty Mouse

Not crazy about the 3-5 weeks for shipping though.

I noticed that if you configure it without the wireless keyboard, it notes a shipping time of 3-5 days. If you add the wireless keyboard, it boosts it up to 3-5 weeks. Since you loose the standard keyboard if you choose the wireless keyboard during configuration, it would make more sense to order the standard keyboard, get the computer in 3-5 days, and then order a wireless keyboard as an additional purchase. That way you get both keyboards, don't have to wait for the computer, and the difference in price is worth it.
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post #125 of 434
8/7/07 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

I was spoiled by the jewel that was my B&W G3. The "replacements" are either too expensive (Mac pro) or underpowered (iMac) and haven't quite matched its level of innovation or ease of upgrade. I keep hoping they'll make a modern day version with a P35 board and Core 2 Duo/Quad CPUs. Then again, I've also hoped they would get over Steve's biases and just buy Elgato.

Holy 'Yosemite!'. The G3/400 was introduced in 1999 with up to 128 MB RAM and a 12 GB drive for $2999 and you have the nerve to make such a statement. You have to be kidding.

If you haven't gotten married yet, I would suggest that you don't buy your fiance a ring without her being there.
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post #126 of 434
8/7/07 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by bennettvista View Post

Feel like the new design of the iMac is a bit like what happened with BMW a few years back when they re-designed the new 5 series. A misstep. I don't like the black border and the whole thing has a slightly "cheap" feel to it. I would have prefered a black back and all brushed aluminum surface. The front now feels like some of those early cheap widescreen TVs made by Sony.

Ahum. One word in defence of Chris Bangle. The new BMW 5 series IS an instant classic. Unlike its predecessor. Bangle is adding alotof bang in the otherwise boring boyish automotive industry. Just look at the Porsche and Ferrari horror! Talking about Porsche, their whole interior concept is a total disaster: the main screen is located at almost floor level while a silly clock is on the eye level Imagine how many miles your sportscar has travelled while looking at your screen for a few seconds i/o the road …


Repeat after me (10 times): "The new iMac has a black back …"

… and it has an aluminum helmet. Another great feat by Ive & his team. The computer is finally becoming a piece of furniture, ready to merge into the living room. Now, if they only replace the white remote by an aluminum nanoesque remote with click wheel.
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post #127 of 434
8/7/07 at 2:49pm
I think the new iMac is a part of an overall unification of Apple's design elements, from hardware to software. Apple's new website, Safari, and iPhone all feature aluminum and black. The design criticism may be that in trying to incorporate common elements from other products, the iMac looses a little bit of its own identity. Also lost seems to be a note of whimsy. The iMac has always been a slightly whimsical, witty computer, and this one seems serious and 'cool,' not frothy in the slightest.

It's hard to judge without seeing it first hand.

Also, they were probably thinking of the floating black picture frame of the iMac as a way to feature the colorful three dimensional world of Leopard.
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post #128 of 434
8/7/07 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Holy 'Yosemite!'. The G3/400 was introduced in 1999 with up to 128 MB RAM and a 12 GB drive for $2999 and you have the nerve to make such a statement. You have to be kidding.

If you haven't gotten married yet, I would suggest that you don't buy your fiance a ring without her being there.

Funny, I paid $1799.
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post #129 of 434
8/7/07 at 2:55pm
2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme ???
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Intel site lists 2.6 Ghz, is it a typo or overclocking from 2.6Ghz?

Intel® Core™ 2 Extreme processor2 June '07 (6/3)July '07 (7/22)% Decrease

Mobile (FCPGA6)

X7800 (4M L2 cache 2.60 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) - $851 -

from the CPU price list

seems this time, apple site got lots of problem, many times down and typo as well,

steve said 20" 20 " 24" config, website came with 20" 20" 24" 24" configs

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post #130 of 434
8/7/07 at 2:59pm
For me the new iMac is kind of disappointing, particularly from an industrial design standpoint. I was hoping to lose the chin or at least see it shrink in a very noticeable fashion, or in lieu of that change, a design that allowed the vertical position of the monitor to be adjusted (as on many flatscreen monitors now offered by competitors).

In photographs I don't think it looks all that good, in fact I'd say I strongly prefer the look of the outgoing model. I "get" the iPhone reference in the design but I don't think it's really working here, primarily because of the silver chin.

Finally I'm especially disappointed in the glossy screen as the inherent reflections are distracting and irritating to me. I especially do not like a glossy black border around a display.

That said, I'm glad many here seem to dig the new look and I hope you thoroughly enjoy your new iMacs. When I get a chance to see one in person I'll be prepared to be pleasantly surprised, despite my many reservations. I do think the new keyboards look great, though I'm befuddled as to why one should have to give up the number pad in order to have bluetooth functionality. (Given that my current bluetooth Apple keyboard has a number pad which is pretty much a necessary tool for some of my applications.)
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post #131 of 434
8/7/07 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by solsun View Post

Could it be that the glossy/glass screens are being implemented now for a future multi-touch upgrade?

From the discussion with reporters after the presentation:

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Will the iPhones multitouch features filter down to the Mac eventually? Jobs said that it doesnt make a lot of sense in the Mac. I would classify that as a research project at present, he added.
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post #132 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by iJay View Post


built to order does not equal ship with or are you gonna tell me the mac pros ship with 16gb of ram?

They will, in 2012.
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post #133 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by shanmugam View Post

2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme ???
-----------------------------------
Intel site lists 2.6 Ghz, is it a typo or overclocking from 2.6Ghz?

Intel® Core 2 Extreme processor2 June '07 (6/3)July '07 (7/22)% Decrease

Mobile (FCPGA6)

X7800 (4M L2 cache 2.60 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) - $851 -

from the CPU price list

seems this time, apple site got lots of problem, many times down and typo as well,

steve said 20" 20 " 24" config, website came with 20" 20" 24" 24" configs

It's the X7900
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post #134 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:03pm
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Finally I'm especially disappointed in the glossy screen as the inherent reflections are distracting and irritating to me. I especially do not like a glossy black border around a display.

Once Again. I'm reiterating. The display is glossy because it's glass! Not like the Macbook glossy screens that you can't put stuff on without risking damage. It's glass, which can be easily cleaned, and easily made non-glossy (if you want to.
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post #135 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:04pm
I'm now seriously considering getting this instead of a Mac Pro. (I don't really need the expansion. And I don't play games.) Poor thing will end up booting into Windows by default to keep my sister happy, though. (It's replacing both a G5 desktop and an old Dell desktop.)

2.8GHz/4GB/1TB 24" - $3104 (developer pricing) - 3-5 weeks

(Need to think on this a bit more and discuss it with said sister.)
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post #136 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

It's the X7900

i do not see it in intel cpu list or cpu price list, am i missing something?

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archi...0716corp_a.htm

this is last mobile CPU update rite?

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post #137 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Funny, I paid $1799.

So you went for the G3/300 at $1,599; 64 MB, VRAM: 16 MB
Video: ATI Rage 128 on 66 MHz bus.

For a $100 more, perhaps a modem, doubt it would be the optional 12 GB drive, 128 RAM, DVD, DVD-RAM, internal Zip drive or a CRT. But then you may have bought it yesterday.

Sad, either way.
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post #138 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by murphyweb View Post

But that was not the point of this discussion, the point was that someone said that you need to have a wired keyboard in order to set up a wireless keyboard. That is not true as some Apple computers ship without any keyboard and you can just buy a wireless one and it works out of the box. Part of the process of setting up your new mac is pairing the keyboard and mouse, you do nt need to have a wired keyboard already in place.


i'm sorry! i thought the original poster wanted to know if that was a mistake on the people who wrote a wired keyboard is required when he wrote this:

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I find it quite curious how the system requirements stated for the wireless is that I will need an existing keyboard for setup. That has to be a mistake.

which is not a mistake because the old ones had that too... when i bought my wireless keyboard and mouse they had that written in the requirements.
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post #139 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by shanmugam View Post

i do not see it in intel cpu list or cpu price list, am i missing something?

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archi...0716corp_a.htm

this is last mobile CPU update rite?

Like the 3.0ghz Quad core Xeon X5365 in the Mac Pro, Apple is getting the X7900 while its still in limited production.
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post #140 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

So you went for the G3/300 at $1,599; 64 MB, VRAM: 16 MB
Video: ATI Rage 128 on 66 MHz bus.

For a $100 more, perhaps a modem, doubt it would be the optional 12 GB drive, 128 RAM, DVD, DVD-RAM, internal Zip drive or a CRT. But then you may have bought it yesterday.

Sad, either way.

Actually, I got the 350ghz model with the DVD-ROM a couple of months after it came out. You might laugh at the specs now, but it was head and shoulders above everything else in its day, especially with the side mounted easy access motherboard.
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post #141 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by Buck View Post

What type of display do those iMacs have?
6 bit still?

I thought it was just the notebooks that had 6 bit displays.
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post #142 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:17pm
I don't get it..

When seeing Apple's getamac ads they say using a mac is fun.
It is fun to play with and they look good and stylisch, better then a normal PC with Windows..

But these new iMac computers look like work and very boring to me, they are all gray and dont have the cool look anymore. the iMac's look like those ugly HP or Compac widescreen notebooks.. they have the same black border also... And that's.... really ugly!!

I hope Apple will present an new line of desktop Computers in Sept/Okt when introducing OSX 10.5 I don't think apple will introduce 10.5 quietly, so there will be an oppertunity to introduce new products..

My guesses are that a new range of colored Macs will follow, these new iMacs are just way to boring and I can't imaging seeing a gray one in a movie or so...
Also, there should be a 17" desktop, for some places (in the livingroom) 20" or 24" is just to big..

Regards Rick (a sad Apple Fan)
Ps. i do like the aiport extreme upgrade to GB ethernet..
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post #143 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by shanmugam View Post

2 GB RAM and 500 GB HDD should be offered in both the high end models in 20" and 24"

It's offered, just not for free. I think you mean standard.
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post #144 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Like the 3.0ghz Quad core Xeon X5365 in the Mac Pro, Apple is getting it while its in limited production.

ic, i thought so, will be interesting to note the specs of the CPU, may be more L2 cache

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post #145 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by emoeric87 View Post

It's glass, which can be easily cleaned, and easily made non-glossy (if you want to.

Not sure how you make it non-glossy (sandpaper?) but I do like the industrial rugged cleanable aspect to the glass.
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post #146 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

It's offered, just not for free. I think you mean standard.

yep, i mean standard. from 512 MB to 1 GB to 2 GB Now.

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post #147 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Funny, I paid $1799.

When you factor in inflation, that works out to be about the price of the base Mac Pro.
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post #148 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by mr O View Post

Repeat after me (10 times): "The new iMac has a black back "

and it has an aluminum helmet. Another great feat by Ive & his team. The computer is finally becoming a piece of furniture, ready to merge into the living room. Now, if they only replace the white remote by an aluminum nanoesque remote with click wheel.

Does it really fit that way? Nothing else I know of that's conventionally marketed for the home living room is aluminum & black.
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post #149 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by rickertb View Post

I don't get it..

When seeing Apple's getamac ads they say using a mac is fun.
It is fun to play with and they look good and stylisch, better then a normal PC with Windows..

What's so fun about mental institution white?
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post #150 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by shanmugam View Post

2.8GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme ???
-----------------------------------
Intel site lists 2.6 Ghz, is it a typo or overclocking from 2.6Ghz?

Intel® Core™ 2 Extreme processor2 June '07 (6/3)July '07 (7/22)% Decrease

Mobile (FCPGA6)

X7800 (4M L2 cache 2.60 GHz 800 MHz FSB 65nm) - $851 -

from the CPU price list

seems this time, apple site got lots of problem, many times down and typo as well,

steve said 20" 20 " 24" config, website came with 20" 20" 24" 24" configs

Since Apple moved to Intel they have been getting processors before their Windows counterparts. Don't for the 3GHz Xeons either.
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post #151 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by Duddits View Post

Not sure how you make it non-glossy (sandpaper?)

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post #152 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by radiospace View Post

For me the new iMac is kind of disappointing, particularly from an industrial design standpoint. I was hoping to lose the chin or at least see it shrink in a very noticeable fashion, or in lieu of that change, a design that allowed the vertical position of the monitor to be adjusted (as on many flatscreen monitors now offered by competitors).

In photographs I don't think it looks all that good, in fact I'd say I strongly prefer the look of the outgoing model. I "get" the iPhone reference in the design but I don't think it's really working here, primarily because of the silver chin.

Finally I'm especially disappointed in the glossy screen as the inherent reflections are distracting and irritating to me. I especially do not like a glossy black border around a display.

That said, I'm glad many here seem to dig the new look and I hope you thoroughly enjoy your new iMacs. When I get a chance to see one in person I'll be prepared to be pleasantly surprised, despite my many reservations. I do think the new keyboards look great, though I'm befuddled as to why one should have to give up the number pad in order to have bluetooth functionality. (Given that my current bluetooth Apple keyboard has a number pad which is pretty much a necessary tool for some of my applications.)

I don't agree with that at all. I think this is a beautiful machine, much better than the old ones, which looked pretty good when they came out.

Some guys will never be happy.
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post #153 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

When you factor in inflation, that works out to be about the price of the base Mac Pro.

When you factor in the way computer prices have declined, it's about the same price as the $1299 G4/G5.
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post #154 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by iJay View Post

i'm sorry! i thought the original poster wanted to know if that was a mistake on the people who wrote a wired keyboard is required when he wrote this:

which is not a mistake because the old ones had that too... when i bought my wireless keyboard and mouse they had that written in the requirements.

Please just give up on this would you?

I originally brought up this point because on the apple site: www.apple.com/keyboard
it states that the wireless keyboard requires an existing keyboard for setup which is a questionable statement since I ordered my MacPro with wireless and it did not require a wired keyboard or mouse to set up. Hence the the remark "This must be a mistake".

In addition, the new iMacs can also be ordered with only a wireless keyboard and mouse if you so desire and I'm positive there will be no problem pairing them up.

Sadly, everything you have written so far on this topic has been utterly false and completely ignorant. I'm sorry but this is all I am saying. The stated requirement on the web site appears to be an error.

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post #155 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by rickertb View Post

I don't get it..

When seeing Apple's getamac ads they say using a mac is fun.
It is fun to play with and they look good and stylisch, better then a normal PC with Windows..

But these new iMac computers look like work and very boring to me, they are all gray and dont have the cool look anymore. the iMac's look like those ugly HP or Compac widescreen notebooks.. they have the same black border also... And that's.... really ugly!!

I hope Apple will present an new line of desktop Computers in Sept/Okt when introducing OSX 10.5 I don't think apple will introduce 10.5 quietly, so there will be an oppertunity to introduce new products..

My guesses are that a new range of colored Macs will follow, these new iMacs are just way to boring and I can't imaging seeing a gray one in a movie or so...
Also, there should be a 17" desktop, for some places (in the livingroom) 20" or 24" is just to big..

Regards Rick (a sad Apple Fan)
Ps. i do like the aiport extreme upgrade to GB ethernet..

You should clean your eyeballs.
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post #156 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by emoeric87 View Post

Once Again. I'm reiterating. The display is glossy because it's glass! Not like the Macbook glossy screens that you can't put stuff on without risking damage. It's glass, which can be easily cleaned, and easily made non-glossy (if you want to.

And I'm re-iterating: I don't like a glossy screen. (And apparently, I'm not alone.)

I don't care whether it is glossy because it is glass, or because someone wetted it with olive oil. The fact that it can be easily cleaned is absolutely irrelevant. If the screen was made out of bathroom tile it could also be easily cleaned... and would of course display nothing but grout. So what?

Your "solution" of covering the screen with a "non-glossy applique" will certainly solve the gloss problem... while almost certainly degrading the image.

It seems you just don't get it. Some people like a super-high quality, non-glossy screen, and are willing to choose their computer in order to support their monitor preference rather settle for patched together workarounds. If you love a glossy monitor I'm pleased for your sake that they are making the product your heart desires. For me it is a disappointment.
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post #157 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

When you factor in the way computer prices have declined, it's about the same price as the $1299 G4/G5.

No, it's not. You have to figure in inflation. When you consider the way computer prices have declined, a $1799 product sold today (the same model) it would cost $1400. But with inflation $1799 in 1999 is worth $2300 today.

Try this, but remember, so far, it only goes to 2006. At the end of the year he will update it for 2007.

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
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post #158 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by iJay View Post

so am i the only person here who thinks this new iMac is repusevely ugly and it looks like a cheap mock up of the old iMac by an amateur?

You are not alone!
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post #159 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by BlackPepper View Post

You are not alone!

i agree!
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post #160 of 434
8/7/07 at 3:46pm
I am actually somewhat disappointed in the design and the inability to specify a non-glossy screen.

The MacBook we have here is very difficult to see under fluorescent lighting conditions. I purposefully got a MacBook Pro so that I could get a "normal" non-glare screen.

Regarding the black border, I presume it's to reduce glare as mentioned and for some sort of color/contrast correction. However, it's very ugly. They might as well have made the entire front of the unit black.

To the reader whose wife just got a 20" white model: Be grateful. It's possible the remaining quantity of those machines will be in high demand. I know I am going to try to get one. I also lament the absence of a mini-tower in the product line. The MacPro tower is both enormous and loud, and the MacMini seems a bit inadequate.
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