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The Hubble Space Telescope uses a highly polished mirror to focus trace amounts of ancient light into meaningful images. I have not done a side by side comparison, but I will step out on a limb and speculate that the Hubble’s mirror may be more reflective than the new iMac’s screen.


On looking at the new iMac, I did not think “reflective though they may be, it doesn’t bother me." That didn't cross my mind because I wasn’t thinking of them as reflective.

I suppose you could make a similar argument that because the CPU has a bitter taste if you let it sit in your mouth for awhile, anyone who evaluates an iMac must state “bitter-tasting though they may be, it doesn’t bother me.” But since I didn't pop out the CPU and suck on it for taste, this too didn't cross my mind.

I can’t speak for others, and I am just a cat. But I honestly haven’t been bothered by reflections on the new iMac. When I get my own to play with I may arrive at a different conclusion, but for now, this has been a non-issue for me.

You are an amusing cat, unlike most of the cats I have known, who range from "sullenly homicidal" to "cryptically up to something".
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You are an amusing cat, unlike most of the cats I have known, who range from "sullenly homicidal" to "cryptically up to something".

Well, I am that too, and more. We cats are complex creatures.

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I was irritated that we weren't given a choice of matte or glossy displays until someone pointed out that I shouldn't be. She pointed out that I have a reading lamp on next to me while watching TV (being, ahem, multi talented I read and watch TV at the same time). The reflection of the lamp is bright on the TV screen, but I am unaware of it until I think about it. Our eyes or brain must compensate - or something. Maybe it's equivalent to focusing on a near object or a distant object. Our eyes adjust to that. That may not be a good analogy, but it shows the possibility of focusing on the display rather than the glare. Another analogy would be how we tune out ambient sound while we talk to another person.

MY REAL GRIPE about TV is that dam__d Channel logo, the ads, and the banners that appear on the screen bottom. Sometimes they cover up something I want to see. I notice that they don't appear during commercials. Sorry, I know that doesn't conform to the current thread. Maybe I'll carry it over to another thread. I can't imagine anyone being happy with it.

The reflection from your TV does not compare to the reflection from your new iMac. Most people do not sit 12" away from their television, so eye strain is not as much of a concern.
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The reflection from your TV does not compare to the reflection from your new iMac. Most people do not sit 12" away from their television, so eye strain is not as much of a concern.

That's true, but what I was referring to was the brains ability to focus on something and so blot out something else. I said that it was NOT a good analogy - TV vs. Display. I was not making a case for ignoring eye strain.
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Went to my nearest Comp USA today. Was checking out camcorders, but that's a whole different story altogether.

Anyway the Apple rep was setting up the new iMacs. He just had a 20 iMac. IMO, it's gorgeous. Obviously that's subjective but I would say that they achieved their goal of making the iMac more pro looking in appearance. On the down side glare, reflection or whatver you wish to call it IS and issue. While I still think it can be overcome in your home, you will NEED to consider this in your setup. The 2.4 ghz model was teh snappy. Very responsive in the short time I got to play with it. The rep showed me iMovie and was able to skim the clips without hesitation.

Overall I want one. Real bad too.
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so...on a sort of related topic...what is everyones ship date? mine says i should recive it by sept 24...does that seem a little late to anyone??
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so...on a sort of related topic...what is everyones ship date? mine says i should recive it by sept 24...does that seem a little late to anyone??

Yeah, but maybe it will ship with Leopard.
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Yeah, but maybe it will ship with Leopard.

i was reading through some other topics and i think it might be because of the wireless keyboard, if i take that out i should get it faster?
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apple's choices.

I haven't seen the new iMac in life, i will keep my thoughts about the gloss and the black band to myself.

But people keep coming back to the same point. In designing new computers apple has a total approach, very different from other companies. They make design choices from the start with far going implications for the hardware possibilities in the end. Ordering options are limited, even worse some product classes don't even show up (midtower). As design choices in the (near) past has been very succesfull (iPod, iMac, Macbook), it's strange to see such a limited product line.
It has been pointed out that limited models mean limited factory lines and less general costs and more profit per unit. But who will guarantee apple will keep on guessing right and deliver the next best thing? Isn't it very dangerous for future profit to rely on such a small product choice? And will this arrogant (we'll decide for you) attitude not fire back? If they really want to be ahead of the pack, why don't they put blue ray drives in their new imacs? And why don't they compare themselves with true competition instead of Dell's low budget model?
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apple's choices.

I haven't seen the new iMac in life, i will keep my thoughts about the gloss and the black band to myself.

But people keep coming back to the same point. In designing new computers apple has a total approach, very different from other companies. They make design choices from the start with far going implications for the hardware possibilities in the end. Ordering options are limited, even worse some product classes don't even show up (midtower). As design choices in the (near) past has been very succesfull (iPod, iMac, Macbook), it's strange to see such a limited product line.
It has been pointed out that limited models mean limited factory lines and less general costs and more profit per unit. But who will guarantee apple will keep on guessing right and deliver the next best thing? Isn't it very dangerous for future profit to rely on such a small product choice? And will this arrogant (we'll decide for you) attitude not fire back? If they really want to be ahead of the pack, why don't they put blue ray drives in their new imacs? And why don't they compare themselves with true competition instead of Dell's low budget model?

Because for some reason Jobs' warped mind sees the all in one as a evolutionary replacement for the ATX tower rather than something different for a different type of user. To him Dell is the true competition, not Sony. I would rather compare it to the Sony myself. The iMac is cheaper, more powerful, and Sony can't counter with the major drawbacks inherent in an all in one design.
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But who will guarantee apple will keep on guessing right and deliver the next best thing? Isn't it very dangerous for future profit to rely on such a small product choice?

There is no guarantee of anything. Much of Apple's success relies on the failures of everyone else. Most people don't care about a great deal of variety in computers. You could sell most of the market a generic box that reads COMPUTER on the side in black letters.

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And will this arrogant (we'll decide for you) attitude not fire back? If they really want to be ahead of the pack, why don't they put blue ray drives in their new imacs? And why don't they compare themselves with true competition instead of Dell's low budget model?

I don't know if its so much arrogance as it is a singular vision. The point is not always to be ahead of the pack but provide computers that are easy to use. The times Apple adopted technology early (USB, Firewire, WiFi) it was in an effort to improve the computer experience. Blu-ray doesn't improve much of anything.

The only two really doing the hard sell with blu-ray or HD-DVD are Sony and Toshiba. Neither of the two formats have had a big impact or have added a great deal of value to the computer market. The longer Apple waits to use one of the two the lower the prices will be when they finally do use it.

Dell doesn't only sell low cost computers. Sony isn't really in the same league as Dell or Apple in sales. They are hardly worth mentioning as competition.
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so...on a sort of related topic...what is everyones ship date? mine says i should recive it by sept 24...does that seem a little late to anyone??

Ships by September 12, delivered by the 18th.
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post #413 of 433
Been waiting for this new iMac for quite a while, and am very disappointed with the screen. Even if I wasn't concerned with the ability to edit my photos with any degree of color accuracy, I am totally put off by the reflective nature of the screen. I work during the day in a room that has windows on three of four walls, and I enjoy having natural light in the room in which I work. I also do NOT intend to build a room or even re-arrange a room to suit the computer. So, I'll not be buying this new iMac.

I never expected this, but perhaps Apple really doesn't care or listen to their users, despite all the marketing hype to the contrary.
post #414 of 433
Used one at a shop this afternoon for about 30 minutes and have no complaints. The screen was fantastic.

 

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post #415 of 433
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Used one at a shop this afternoon for about 30 minutes and have no complaints. The screen was fantastic.

I was going to buy one but the reflections really put me off - especially with dark colours on the screen - really off putting & a lost sale here!
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I was going to buy one but the reflections really put me off - especially with dark colours on the screen - really off putting & a lost sale here!

Just unboxed the iMac 24" shipped from Shanghai 8/20 arrived NYC 8/23. Amazing screen, glare only a problem when a light is directly behind. When off, you do have a mirror there, but I don't see that as a problem. Almost a feature. DVDs are fantastic on this screen and I've put off the old HD TV purchase for a while longer; first to pay for this thing, and second to see what comes along.

The real estate for working with multiple windows is great i and Asian language fonts show up beautifuly.
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post #417 of 433
I really like the new iMac..and I plan on getting one soon. Once again, great job Apple!
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i know this might seem like a stupid question but is there any backup battery on the new imac, so if the power fails it doesn't shut off?
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i know this might seem like a stupid question but is there any backup battery on the new imac, so if the power fails it doesn't shut off?

EXTREMELY unlikely. A battery would take up too much space. Get a UPS, uninterrupted power supply. They are not very expensive and could save something you're working on when the power went off. Cheap ones will give you a few minutes to save, etc. The more they cost, the more time you have to do what you want to do. The best part of a UPS is that they keep the power at a constant level which is better for your computer. This is especially true in areas that have frequent brown outs. I'm using a UPS from APC that is made for a Mac. That isn't a biggie as long as your equipment is protected. I think I paid around $75 for it. You will have to replace the battery from time to time, but it's worth it. I've had to replace it only once after 4 years of use.
For more info, go to: http://www.jetcafe.org/npc/doc/ups-faq.html#0201
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i know this might seem like a stupid question but is there any backup battery on the new imac, so if the power fails it doesn't shut off?

Not only do I agree with sequitur, but I'll go him one more, and say that there definitely no backup battery in the iMac, or in any other computer that I know of, other than the small one used to back up start-up info, the clock, and some prefs.

Other than that, do as he says and buy a UPS, if you REALLY think you need one. Find out the power the computer needs (usually measured in VA for the UPS), and get a unit that will power the unit for the time you need. It will normally only be good for 10 minutes to 20 minutes, but a bigger model (expensive) will give you more.

The new iMacs use at max, either 200 or 280 watts for the standard configs, so go from there.
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Not only do I agree with sequitur, but I'll go him one more, and say that there definitely no backup battery in the iMac, or in any other computer that I know of

I know of one

Unplug it and it will run on battery power for a good while.

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I know of one

Unplug it and it will run on battery power for a good while.

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That's not exactly what we were talking about.
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not if it's old news but THEY say it's a 2600 XT and not a 2600 Pro in the new iMac:

http://www.macgeneration.com/mgnews/...Depeche=126722
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i know this might seem like a stupid question but is there any backup battery on the new imac, so if the power fails it doesn't shut off?

Check this out:

10 pieces of hardware you should replace rather than repair

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10...19&tag=nl.e138


#3: Surge protector / UPS
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not if it's old news but THEY say it's a 2600 XT and not a 2600 Pro in the new iMac:

http://www.macgeneration.com/mgnews/...Depeche=126722

vinea,
Here's a good example of learning a language from Rosetta Stone. I could read the French at the site above.
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vinea,
Here's a good example of learning a language from Rosetta Stone. I could read the French at the site above.

Thanks. My wife'll kill me for buying what is essentially a $300 DVD but I guess a course at the community college is about the same or more.

I've always wanted to learn Japanese or Chinese and Spanish. English, Spanish and some Asian language I figure would cover travel most of the world I would visit.

Probably Chinese since there are more native speakers...

Vinea
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vinea,
Here's a good example of learning a language from Rosetta Stone. I could read the French at the site above.

you don't have to read that page since the info is in the screenshot - i can't read that french stuff myself but found it interesting that they say there is a 2600 XT in the new iMac
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Thanks. My wife'll kill me for buying what is essentially a $300 DVD but I guess a course at the community college is about the same or more.

I've always wanted to learn Japanese or Chinese and Spanish. English, Spanish and some Asian language I figure would cover travel most of the world I would visit.

Probably Chinese since there are more native speakers...Vinea

1. If I were you, I'd try to get her to make the decision. Let her talk you into it. I used to use that method on my wife. Maybe that's why we're divorced now.
2. I 'd send you a disk to try it before you buy it, but unfortunately, to use the program, it has to be on the computer and you have to plug the disk in each time you use it. The program would be useless without the disk.
3. Yes, it is expensive, but if you're serious, it's worth it. Better than a college course. You use it when you want to and as much time as you want to spend. You can use it over and over again without having to pay more college fees. It's almost like having your own tutor.
That being said, I'm uncomfortable with your relying on me as an "expert". Different people work at different rates. What was difficult for me could be easier or harder for you. What I can tell you is that I've tried records and other software to learn a language. They were frustrating and I got nothing out of them. I tried books and a Publc Broadcasting TV channel program to learn Spanish. I was unsuccessful (an understatement). High School and College classes didn't make more than a dent. Only Rosetta Stone made a difference.
After reading the above testimonial, I think I'd make a good salesman for Rosetta Stone.
I was touted onto RS by my daughter and her boyfriend who go to Europe every other summer.
4. One problem you may encounter is that if you don't have someone to talk to, you'll lose a lot of what you've learned. Use it or lose it. American GI's who stayed in Europe after WWII and married there, in some cases forgot English.
Lastly, don't bother learning Chinese. I read that there are more people in China learning English than the total number of people in the US.
I spent a year and a half in the far East and learned conversational Japanese. That's not a biggie. Japanese is easy to learn to speak (but of course, not to read or write). There are no plurals in Japanese. 1 dog or 10 dog. One verb tense - present tense. To make it past tense, you add the syllable 'ta' to the verb. Sentence structure is like European languages - subject, object, predicate.
To ask a question, you make a statement and add a verbal question mark at the end - ka. Or add a syllable - ne - meaning isn't that so. Japanese use a lot of those short syllables to mean differences. For example, if I wanted to say, "You and I are good friends, aren't we? I would say, "Anata [you] wa [meaning your the important one in my sentence] to [and] watashi [I/me] ii [good] tomodachi [friend(s)] desu [are/is], ne[aren't we]. Anata wa to watashi ii tomodachi desu, ne. Past tense of desu [the verb, to be] is desuta adding that lst syllable ta.
Of course, I'm talking about conversational Japanese. Formal, business, technical are something different.

The problem is that Japanese words are not familiar as French or Spanish even though you may not know what they mean. Japanese women speak a soft, rhythmic Japanese. Men bark their Japanese.

Pick your language carefully or you'll end up paying another $300 for one.
Sorry to be so windy, good luck.
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OK most AP-credit and College admission posts are split off into a new thread in AppleOutsider.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=78597


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Pick your language carefully or you'll end up paying another $300 for one.
Sorry to be so windy, good luck.
Al

Thanks for the advice, and no, I won't "blame" you if it doesn't work out for me.

ObMac: I assume it would look brilliant on the new 24" iMac?
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OK most AP-credit and College admission posts are split off into a new thread in AppleOutsider.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=78597


No name calling please.

I'm through with it anyway, but thanks.
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After working with both Windows PC's and Macs for over 9 years for my school and "job" (graphical design, digital lay-out), I have decided to make the switch at home as well. I ordered a 24" 2.8GHz iMac last week. Too bad I have to wait 2 weeks at least (so I have to wait at least one more week *sigh*).. I sure as hell can't wait for it to arrive, so I'm hoping I'll have it by the end of this week..

I like what I've seen so far. The glossy screen isn't really bothering me and the design just looks very slick. I'm thinking about keeping my old Logitech MX 1000 mouse though. I tend to have problems with the Mighty Mouse (I can't seem to control the pressure for the side-buttons >_>)

Give me my iMac! =(
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Thanks for the advice, and no, I won't "blame" you if it doesn't work out for me.

ObMac: I assume it would look brilliant on the new 24" iMac?

I don't know what your study habits are, but I'm lazy. When something gets difficult, I have a tendency to find something - anything - else to do. When I started Rosetta Stone, I fought it. Eventually, knowing I wasn't getting anywhere, I knew I had to motivate myself. I set up several time periods during the week and, religiously, kept to those learning periods. At the end of each period, if I had really gotten somewhere, I treated myself to some ice cream. After a while, the motivation became a shift in my mind as I began to "learn", and I stopped fighting and really enjoyed myself.
Nothing breeds success like success. My method may not work for you, but it certainly did for me. Try finding a method that won't allow you to procrastinate. As I previously mentioned, find someone to speak to and one day you'll stop translating and think in that language.
BTW, Rosetta Stone has a free demo. However, I didn't try it because I thought it might be tough and discourage me. http://www.rosettastone.com/offer/googlepage
Good luck
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