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post #41 of 64
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Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post

The LED wasn't on the end of the plug, it was in the receptacle on the iBook.

You're right. Regardless, there has to be some statute of limitations for this. Suing someone after that long is ridiculous. They're just trying to milk it for all it's worth.
post #42 of 64
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Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post

The LED wasn't on the end of the plug, it was in the receptacle on the iBook.

oh sorry

all i remember was the light shining on it
post #43 of 64
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Originally Posted by blingem View Post

I wonder if anyone has patented ceilings with lights on them? I'm going to, and then I'm going to sue everyone who sells ceilings that use lights to light rooms. Empty your bank account now, boys.

That's so funny!

And original!

post #44 of 64
Just when I think I'm the only person left in the US who isn't suing Apple,
some idiot comes along and invents a class that might actually include me,
since I've bought a few things from the Apple Online store.

I feel dirty now.
Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know; the rest is propaganda.
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Journalism is publishing what someone doesn't want us to know; the rest is propaganda.
-Horacio Verbitsky (el perro), journalist (b. 1942)
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post #45 of 64
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Originally Posted by Eriamjh View Post

The outcome is what I expected. He cannot comment on it, but it is him. No, I won't give you his email or phone so you can annoy him. I have a lot of respect for the guy.

Wtf asked for his email?
post #46 of 64
I know that it is difficult to see our favorite computer company getting sued. It seems it happens often. While I think the power adapter suit lacks merit, the law could not be anymore clear on what credit card information can be displayed upon the close of any point-of-sale transaction. If more than the last five digits of a credit card are displayed, whether it be on a display device or on a printed receipt, then a violation occurs. There is no gray area for this issue. Go to any other e-commerce site and purchase something. You will see when the confirmation screen comes up that there will be a series of asterisks or something else followed by the last 4 or 5 digits of the credit card.

The fact that Apple is continuing to violate this is stupid on their part and consumers have a right to complain. In fact, if consumers don't complain then they are effectively saying that it is okay to allow the violation to continue. There really is no reason why Apple cannot comply with such a simple legal requirement. No one on this forum has any reason to lambaste those involved in this suit because Apple is clearly in the wrong.

This fact doesn't mean I like Apple's products any less. However, it makes me wonder if they have any other compliance issues that could put my personal information at risk of exposure. Let's hope that Apple can make a quick adjustment to their e-commerce software to bring them in compliance with the law.

Regards,

Koose
post #47 of 64
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Originally Posted by roehlstation View Post

Careful, the original TiBooks did not ship with those adapters at first, they had the Yo-Yo adapter. But the newer adapters came out in the next revision, still well prior to 2004.

It doesn't matter when a patent is granted. What matters is when the patent application was filed, what prior art (public or Apple-internal) existed, and what would have been non-obvious at that time to someone versed in the field.

Zito's patents in this case were both filed in April 2002.
post #48 of 64
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

Zito's patents in this case were both filed in April 2002.

Some are claiming the Titanium PowerBook of 2001 wasn't originally shipped with an LED power adapter. While I can't speak to those claims, I can say with absolute certainty that the Ti Book I purchased in April 2002 came with an LED connector on the power adapter, that the LED was in the tip of the connector, and that it glowed amber when the battery was charging and green when the battery was charged. April 2002 was the same month Zito filed his patents. Even if April 2002 was the very first month Apple made the LED power adapter available, there is no way the company designed and began producing this product virtually overnight. In my opinion, Apple will have a very strong defense, with a ton of prior art that it owns.

I'll repeat my earlier speculation that Zito is primarily peeved by Apple's redesigned power adapter for the MacBook Pro, which looks more similar to Zito's design, but which functions identically to Apple's earlier design vis a vis its use of a multi-color, multi-state LED indicator. Zito's patent is not a design patent, and furthermore, in accommodating Apple's new MagSafe technology, it would have been obvious to Apple that a different style of LED was needed.
post #49 of 64
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

It doesn't matter when a patent is granted. What matters is when the patent application was filed, what prior art (public or Apple-internal) existed, and what would have been non-obvious at that time to someone versed in the field.

Zito's patents in this case were both filed in April 2002.

Nothing would make me happier then the government or someone getting involved here, and finally putting an end to this bull sh t!!!

If anyone sues someone in a class action lawsuit for any amount of money, and they lose - they in turn have to pay the same amount to who they just lost against, as the amount they were suing for i.e., if they sure for 1 Million doolars and lose, they have to pay Apple or whomever they were suing, 1 million dollars PLUS all legal fees. And tell me this wouldn't make lawyers think before making these stupid Fu&^(*KING claims!

Hell, someone earlier noted - Apples cost more because of this shit!
post #50 of 64
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Originally Posted by ginjg View Post

How can this guy have received a patent for this in 2004 when apple's power adaptors have had the status light at least since the Ti Book was first released?

WTF is USPTO doing? Just signing off on every application that crosses their desks?

I think it's as stupid a patent as the next guy, but exaggeration doesn't help. The Titanium Powerbooks most certainly did not have charge lights. Those systems originally shipped with "yo yo" adapters. Even the first generation of white G3 iBooks shipped with the yo yo (at least at first).
post #51 of 64
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Originally Posted by sdfisher View Post

I think it's as stupid a patent as the next guy, but exaggeration doesn't help. The Titanium Powerbooks most certainly did not have charge lights. Those systems originally shipped with "yo yo" adapters. Even the first generation of white G3 iBooks shipped with the yo yo (at least at first).

You apparently missed my post just a few lines earlier where I report that my Ti Book shipped in April 2002 had the new power adapter, with LED indicator in the power connector.
post #52 of 64
Yes, he should have posted that the first Titanium PowerBooks had the yo yo adapters. When I bought a used G3 iBook in early 2002 I had to buy a new power adapter from Apple. It was a yo yo style adapter as well. It was not long after that that they switched to the white brick power adapters.
post #53 of 64
My HP printer and LG cellphone both have lights on the plugs to indicate status - the LG one is orange while charging and green while charged and the HP one is green while there's power to it.

Big deal.
post #54 of 64
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Originally Posted by CaptObvious View Post

My HP printer and LG cellphone both have lights on the plugs to indicate status - the LG one is orange while charging and green while charged and the HP one is green while there's power to it.

Big deal.

You say that just because the technology is passe today? Sorry, that's not how the patent system works. The government created the patent system so that good ideas will be publicly disseminated, rather than kept secret, while rewarding the inventor with an exclusive right to market their ideas for a few years.
post #55 of 64
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

Zito's patents in this case were both filed in April 2002.

Zito is the lawyer. Harvey is the patent owner.
post #56 of 64
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Originally Posted by Koose1 View Post

I know that it is difficult to see our favorite computer company getting sued. It seems it happens often. While I think the power adapter suit lacks merit, the law could not be anymore clear on what credit card information can be displayed upon the close of any point-of-sale transaction. If more than the last five digits of a credit card are displayed, whether it be on a display device or on a printed receipt, then a violation occurs. There is no gray area for this issue. Go to any other e-commerce site and purchase something. You will see when the confirmation screen comes up that there will be a series of asterisks or something else followed by the last 4 or 5 digits of the credit card.

The fact that Apple is continuing to violate this is stupid on their part and consumers have a right to complain. In fact, if consumers don't complain then they are effectively saying that it is okay to allow the violation to continue. There really is no reason why Apple cannot comply with such a simple legal requirement. No one on this forum has any reason to lambaste those involved in this suit because Apple is clearly in the wrong.

This fact doesn't mean I like Apple's products any less. However, it makes me wonder if they have any other compliance issues that could put my personal information at risk of exposure. Let's hope that Apple can make a quick adjustment to their e-commerce software to bring them in compliance with the law.

Regards,

Koose

I've checked all of the receipts from the iTunes Store, Apple Online, and the receipts that are emailed to me from the retail locations, and on all of them all that is shown is the last 4 digits of my card and a confirmation number, the only date shown is the date of purchase. Same is true for the printed receipts from the retail store.
post #57 of 64
I have no doubt as to the theft of the adapter LED if the man in question was contacted by Apple corp. I own www.ikenfixit.com and had been contacted by apple in 2004 regarding my view on Apples notebooks. The mistake I made was telling the corporate dickhead via the phone about the design Our company came up with to eliminate 90% of common laptop failures. (Mag-Safe). The name and magnetic interface was used without our authorization or basically stolen from me. A good friend Scott Kamber who specializes in Class action, As well as us being Witness to Pandemic defects feels it would be pointless to persue as I didnt get my Idea patented prior to spilling my beans. If the Novi Mi. gentleman reads this contact me via the web as I have proof to the fact we designed and thought of the Mag-safe adapter which I intended to sell to Most of the manufacturers. (Had an HP Exec in the shop 8 Mo's prior on an emergency weekend repair)...Good luck all and we love reading these posts!

Ken LaDere
www.ikenfixit.com
post #58 of 64
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Originally Posted by ikenfixit.com View Post

I have no doubt as to the theft of the adapter LED if the man in question was contacted by Apple corp. I own www.ikenfixit.com and had been contacted by apple in 2004 regarding my view on Apples notebooks. The mistake I made was telling the corporate dickhead via the phone about the design Our company came up with to eliminate 90% of common laptop failures. (Mag-Safe). The name and magnetic interface was used without our authorization or basically stolen from me. A good friend Scott Kamber who specializes in Class action, As well as us being Witness to Pandemic defects feels it would be pointless to persue as I didnt get my Idea patented prior to spilling my beans. If the Novi Mi. gentleman reads this contact me via the web as I have proof to the fact we designed and thought of the Mag-safe adapter which I intended to sell to Most of the manufacturers. (Had an HP Exec in the shop 8 Mo's prior on an emergency weekend repair)...Good luck all and we love reading these posts!

Ken LaDere
www.ikenfixit.com

Hopefully, Apple still has the email I sent them in 2000 requesting they add magnetic connectors to their power adapters.
post #59 of 64
Never give them any info.. Ironic that after the fact Jobs hit the Screens advertising the name and design 8-9 months later. Weve designed a better deal now for anything connected via Adapter. We will keep this one quiet however until a patent is sought out.
post #60 of 64
Frankly, I don't give a rip about you. You came up your "brilliant" idea at least four years after I suggested it to Apple via their feedback mechanism, and several years after Microsoft came out with a completely different but equally effective system. You inventing something later shouldn't entitle you to anything other than mockery.

What I care about is that I'll never break another PowerBook by tripping over the power cord or ethernet (although ethernet ended up being solved a different way).

(Actually, I filed the request before the original iBook came out, so it must have been 1998 or 1999, not 2000.)
post #61 of 64
As others have mentioned, the statute seems to refer to receipts stores print for customers, not receipts customers print for themselves. Since a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy in his home, the protections that apply to privacy in public places are not needed. Even if a person were to print his own receipt in a public place, the receipt would be in his control, not the store's. In addition, a person concerned about someone assessing financial information on his computer that has not been printed out is responsible for protecting it himself.

This entry rubs against one of my pet peeves about laymen using legal terms. Just about anyone can file a lawsuit asking that it be a class action. But, a case only becomes a class action if it passes certain requirements and a court certifies it. Initial filings are never class actions.
post #62 of 64
There's an update to this, but I can't find it anywhere.

The trial will be in April 2010.
post #63 of 64
This is old, but here ya go:

http://tx.findacase.com/research/wfr...526.ETX.htm/qx

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Harvey v. Apple Inc.


UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT EASTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS MARSHALL DIVISION


Docket Number available at www.versuslaw.com

Citation Number available at www.versuslaw.com

October 19, 2009

THOMAS HARVEY
v.
APPLE INC.

MEMORANDUM ORDER TRANSFERRING CASE

Before the Court is the defendant Apple Inc.'s motion to transfer venue (Dkt. No. 26). The Court, having considered the venue motion and the arguments of counsel, hereby GRANTS the motion to transfer venue to the United States District Court for the Northern District of California pursuant to In re Volkswagen of America, Inc., 566 F.3d 1349 (Fed. Cir. 2009); In re Genentech, Inc., 566 F.3d 1338 (Fed. Cir. 2009); In re TS Tech USA Corp., 551 F.3d 1315 (Fed. Cir. 2008); and In re Volkswagen of America, Inc., 545 F.3d 304 (5th Cir. 2008) (en banc). The balance of the private and public factors demonstrates that the transferee venue is "clearly more convenient" than the venue chosen by the plaintiff. See In re Volkswagen of Am., Inc., 566 F.3d 1349; In re Genentech, Inc., 566 F.3d 1338; In re TS Tech USA Corp., 551 F.3d 1315; In re Volkswagen of Am., Inc., 545 F.3d 304.

On August 6, 2007, the plaintiff Thomas Harvey filed his complaint against the defendant Apple Inc. ("Apple"), accusing Apple of infringing U.S. Patent Nos. 6,753,671 ("the '671 patent") and 6,762,584 ("the '584 patent"). Apple filed its motion to transfer venue on July 7, 2009.

The Fifth and Federal Circuits have recently enunciated the standard to be used in deciding motions to transfer venue. See In re Volkswagen of Am., Inc., 566 F.3d 1349; In re Genentech, Inc., 566 F.3d 1338; In re TS Tech USA Corp., 551 F.3d 1315 (applying the Fifth Circuit's en banc Volkswagen decision to rulings on transfer motions out of this circuit); In re Volkswagen of Am., Inc., 545 F.3d 304. Under this law, this case is appropriate for transfer.

Apple's headquarters and the vast majority of its employees and relevant physical evidence are located within the Northern District of California. The allegedly infringing products were designed and developed almost entirely in the Northern District of California. Aside from Apple having one retail store and selling its allegedly infringing products within the Eastern District of Texas, Mr. Harvey and Apple appear to have no other connections to this district. Finally, Mr. Harvey lives in Michigan, and he has not shown that California is any less convenient for him than Texas. Much like in Genentech, there are a substantial number of potential witnesses that reside in the transferee venue and none that reside in the Eastern District of Texas. See In re Genentech, 566 F.3d at 1345 ("Because a substantial number of material witnesses reside within the transferee venue and the state of California, and no witnesses reside within the Eastern District of Texas, the district court clearly erred in not determining this factor to weigh substantially in favor of transfer.").

Mr. Harvey argues that transfer would delay this case significantly and cause hardship to him. The court is not persuaded by this argument. This case has been stayed for eight months pending issuance of the reissue patent, so any additional delay caused by venue transfer would be relatively insignificant. Furthermore, this court has not yet construed any claims or made any other substantive rulings; thus, this court has not gained any familiarity with the technology at issue. In all, the private and public factors demonstrate that venue is clearly more convenient in the proposed transferee court, and the motion is granted.

In light of the transfer of venue, the Court suspends any and all pending deadlines as indicated in the Docket Control Order. Likewise, the Court suspends any deadline under the Local Rules for responding to pending motions. The clerk is to transfer the above-titled case to the Northern District of California.

I know no one is reading this, but someone might find it in a search.
post #64 of 64
Final Update:
The Harvey Lawsuit was settled in May of 2010, terms undisclosed.

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal...pdf?1275115278
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