Originally Posted by jimmac
If you're trying to say that Bush didn't know what he was doing that won't fly!
He knew how weak the evidence was.
Here is what you refuse to understand, claiming to be dealing with a known variable makes every justification about the Democrats even worse.
Understand that it makes you look a hundred times worse when you claim to have bought a lie from a known cheat, liar, wannabe dictator, etc.
Ignorance is bliss, but you claim they knew these things about Bush, that EVERYBODY knows these things about him and yet they still give him and do what he wants.
How terrible is that?!?
Yes the democrats should take more action. However they didn't start this, they aren't the ones not letting go, and they aren't the ones who've been deceptive about this whole situation from the start.
They are letting go. They passed the revised FISA, the revised Patriot Act, they gave Bush additional war funding. There is not a single thing that has changed with regard to his actions since the Democratic Congress has come into session. Claiming they can't do everything has some truth, claiming they can't do anything? Nonsense.
Also they have been deceptive about it from the start. Statements from the period before the war reflect their belief, from briefings and readings they had available to them just as Bush did, that Iraq was on the same course it had been understood to be on since the first Gulf War. In fact most non-war votes were due to the fear of high death counts due to guerrilla fights on the streets of Baghdad and fears of massive deaths due to chemical agents being deployed.
If the search function worked here, I'd drag out the posts from people here who said the same thing. Democrats authorized this war. If they claim they bought a lie from a known cheat and liar, which is what they claim Bush is known to be, that just makes it worse that they went along. IT NEVER MAKES IT BETTER.
I've never said they were noble. Ever.
I'm sur they have their own selfish and political reasons for holding back at this time.
But trying to make this " Quagmire " all about them is not only lame it's stupid!
You make it about who has the power to respond. The Democrats asked for control of the government to make these changes, and have now not made them. It isn't just all about htem, but to exempt them defies reality.
I've always said what I thought. They are the lesser of evils and the only semirational thing we've got going right now. There is no way an independent will get elected this time around. Maybe sometime in the future when they're better organized but not right now! So I must vote for the democrat. Because I don't want another Bush clone to carry on the torch and their agenda.
I'm registered independant. Get it!
Can you prove that the Democratic nominee won't be a Bush clone? We hear all these claims that the Democrats are so different. Clinton started "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and Hillary has not claimed she would do anything different. Both Obama and Clinton have made statements that they would undertake preemptive war actions in countries related to terrorism with or without the consent of those countries. All they have claimed is to be more focused and selective with their choices.
At best most have claimed they would move the troops out of Iraq, but not out of the region. They haven't really said they would bring them home.
No major candidate has pledged to enforce our borders, empty out bases abroad and end America as empire. No one.
Ps. So does this mean you're in favor of them cutting off the funds and pulling out of Iraq?
I'm in favor of them following through on actions instead of passing the buck. When people earn power they need to exercise it. If people disagree with that action, then they need to put forth the effort to elect replacements.
Basically, use it or lose it.