Originally Posted by Greg61
One more thing. I was reading above how someone was mentioning that the Treo had an SD slot.
A few points to consider:
1. When I bought my 650, the first thing that I did was to buy a 2 gig SD card, only to find out that if you are going to run programs on your 650, they have to be stored on the 650's internal memory (at least all of the programs I attempted to run on mine).
2. When you sync a 650 with your computer, you have no way of knowing what's on the Treo. With the iPhone, you know exactly what's on there because it syncs identically like an iPod through iTunes. What you have checked off is what's on your iPhone.
3. Here's the most important part. Ready? You sure? Really? OK? OK.
The Palm Treo 650 ----- 32 megabytes of internal memory
The iPhone ------------ 8 GIGABYTES of internal memory
Put another way: The Treo - 32 megs. The iPhone - 8,000 megs.
Finally, adding and removing stuff from my iPhone is infinitely easier than was the case with the Treo.
The 650 is an old machine, and not worth talking about. My 700p is much better than that one. Oh, and unlike what you said earlier, I've never heard of paint coming off the phone.
Talking about the 650 is like talking about a four year old laptop, and comparing it to one that just came out.
While I would never say that my 700p is the physical equal of the iPhone, or that its interface is as good, it does have its points.
Its been very reliable, works well, has a good screen, lets me run programs from my card, syncs up without a problem using Palms own software, and with Mark-Space, lets you sync to Apple's as well, should you really need that.
The interface, while not as sophisticated as that of the iPhone, is much simpler than a Windows Mobile machine, and uses a very similar icon related design as the iPhone.
The phone is rugged. I've dropped it a number of times with no more damage other than the expected scratches, and minor dents to the corners. The same experience is true for the people I know who have the 700p, or the older models.
I don't like the tiny keyboards this, and other phones, have though. I've tried the keyboard of a friend who has an iPhone, and found it to be marginally better, in vertical mode, but much better in horizontal mode. If Apple ALLOWS us to use it that way for all programs, the keyboard will be much better than most anything else I've tried. We can only hope.
For me, and many other holdouts, it comes down to one or two things. 3G, third party programs (officially supported, hopefully, or a more mature, and extended third party effort of support), and I read here, GPS.
We know Apple will be adding 3G, as Jobs stated they would, so no argument there. As for third party program support, we really don't know where that is going for the moment.
The valiant efforts from some to produce a useful SDK, and the efforts from others as regards to installers is to be commended, and I'm looking at those efforts carefully, as are others. But, at this time, we don't know where those efforts will end up.
It's 50/50. If Apple decides that they can legally prevent it, and do so, then that work will end. If they decide that they can't stop it, then it will continue, slowly.
But, as I suspect, Apple is working on their own SDK, then we will see a large number of well known companies producing programs for the phone. The thousands of Palm, Symbian, and Windows Mobile developers will jump on the phone, and, I would suspect that within 6 months of Apple releasing an SDK, we would see at least a couple hundred well known mobile programs on the phone, along with dozens of others from Mac developers.
I'm hoping for that.
Otherwise, it's really a tossup in functionality. If I need programs that are simply not available on the iPhone, then I can't use it, despite my desire to get it. Same thing with 3G. For the uses I put the internet services to, the great Safari experience is not that important, but the noticeably quicker download times of the 700p are.
This is definitely not a putdown of the iPhone as some think it is. It's just that nothing is perfect for everyone. The point here is that Apple will fix some of the failings, and can fix the others. With most other phones, such as my Treo, it's different. Some of the failings can be fixed by third party sources (such as my on-screen writing program Mobile-Write, which is a better version of the Graffiti program no longer included). But others, such as the tiny keyboard cannot. It's immutable. Apple has that option—if they are so kind enough to listen to us about it, and as it's software controlled, perhaps a third party can enable the function instead, even to providing their own version!