Originally Posted by onlooker
Actually you seem to be the one with a lot of time on their hands. If you don't want, or have any interest in the Macs we have been discussing why are you in here? Why don't you find a thread that you like, not try and terrorize users for having different expectations and needs than yours? Your obviously not contributing anything positive to this discussion. Even though your opinion is in the minority you still seem to think this thread is all about your opinion. Get a clue.
"terrorize" other users? Wow, someone's touchy.
Originally Posted by Marvin
You said the xMac wouldn't sell because it's more expensive than a Mini, I was just pointing out that an iMac is more expensive than a Mini.
I don't recall saying that, but OK. the iMac and mini are different machines for different markets. It doesn't compare well.
You know the iMac has laptop parts in it? This makes it unnecessarily more expensive and less powerful. There is no problem with the screen until it breaks or it gets dead pixels and then you have to send your whole computer away for ages until it's repaired or you get another one - it's not practical.
Oh blah. "Ages?" Let me ask you...do you have a few extra monitors sitting around if something happens? Most people don't. And yes, it has laptop parts. It doesn't make it all that much more expensive, not looking at the current prices. Laptop parts get cheaper all the time.
Where about? I checked ebay and they aren't going that cheap.
I saw a refurb for $1899 I think. I've seen them around...they're out there. Give it 6 months and they'll be many more.
That was taking into consideration that they could take the Mini ($599) and put it in a bigger box and get round about the same price point. It can easily be cheaper than the iMac with no screen and desktop parts.
What would be the point of that? So you've have the same power as a mini? No one wants that, especially not the midpro market who constantly insist they need more machine than an iMac, which is more powerful than a mini.
The majority of what market? I'd put it to you that it has close to a 100% majority holding of the niche it serves because hardly anybody else wants to target it.
Majority was a bad choice of words on my part. A good portion of Mac buyers are impressed with it. Overall it sells well. That's what I'm saying.
Of course that assumes the only people who want it are prosumers but add in the gamers and PC users who have displays already but want a more powerful machine then the market suddenly gets pretty big.[quote]
If you're a gamer you need more than a midpro.
You're not counting the people who own iMacs who would have chosen a tower given the option.
People such as?
There was someone on the forum did that recently and another one has appeared just today. They can't decide between an iMac or Mac Pro because neither are really ideal. I think the number of people who own an imac and would rather have something else are more than you and Apple would like to believe.
Why is the Mac Pro not ideal? For anyone that doesn't have a monitor, it's a great choice. If one has a monitor, the mini should be fine for most any use. If you need more, than buy a Mac pro. Granted, there might be a small number of people that need something with iMac level of power but have their own monitor. I just don't see there being very many.
Kind of - I know Final Cut can strain a Mac tower at times too - but most of the time, the resources used by it are lower and a smaller machine is appealing because of the form factor.
It's not going to do so well with a machine with iMac power then.
Then maybe Apple needs to rethink the Mac Pro. If they believe the world is all-in-one then maybe the world is also one where people don't need expandable towers. They've already crippled the low and mid-range, why not go all out and do the same with the only configurable machine they have left? Like I say I work with towers and we don't upgrade them at all besides extra storage.
You mean crippled in terms of expandability? Honestly, I don't think most people really care about PCI slots or what not. That explains the explosion in laptop sales in part. It's a small market (outside of true pros) that needs these capabilities. Now, I would agree with a lower end Mac pro. One processor, etc. Perhaps that is a good compromise.
No, it equates to the opposite side i.e if someone is buying a PC then it's because Apple don't offer what they want. Windows is not an argument any more now that Macs run Windows.
So people buy PCs because they don't like what Apple has to offer? Are you kidding? a lot people still don't even know about Apple. A computer to them runs windows. Many will choose Mac when they see one in action. I've never seen anyone considering a Mac that bails out and gets a PC because Apple "doesn't offer what they want." Not once, other than on the issue of raw price since Macs still tend to be more expensive.
That's a good point but I think that's different because all they're doing is replacing the screen on a Macbook. What we need is a whole new model of computer.
It's not that different, apparently. Apple hasn't released either.
We're behind your thread on that attempt, it's just that there's little to discuss because in the end, the best that we can hope to get is a hacked Mini. It's still not the proper desktop we want and it won't have the design of an Apple product. I hope you continue with it though because if you can get a good GPU and a couple of hard drives hooked to the Mini then it's probably the closest we'll get short of a hackintosh.
Man, you REALLY want this machine, hmm? Think it through...do you REALLY need this machine, or has it just become your cause? With all respect, I really don't see why your needs wouldn't be met by a Mac Pro. If you saved up and bought the low end Pro, you'd have an awesome desktop machine that has all the features/power you want.
Originally Posted by Joe_the_dragon
You can replace / upgrade the computer / monitor by them selfs.
How many people really do that? How many people really, honestly want PCI slots and want to replace the monitor but not the computer, and why can't those people be happy with a Mac Pro?
Desktop optical drives cost less and are faster then laptop slot loading ones and you can mini cds with them.
Also $300 a GIG for mac pro ram? That is apple price OWC has it at $100 a GIG. Also with the mac pro you need 4 DIMMS to get the max speed apple only ships the system with 2 in the base system.
Apple's prices for RAM have always been crazy. $100 is not unreasonable for a gig. And you can get it a little cheaper than that anyway.
the mini only has fire wire 400 and usb 2.0 the Imac adds fire wire 800.
ext cases add more clutter then Internal ones also Internal runing at the full disks full speed and the macs do not have e-sata.[/quote[
So we're down to "clutter?"
With a the imac and mini
want to add a better video card get a new system
want to add usb 2.x / 3.0 get a new system
want to add firewire 1200 get a new system
want to add e-sata get a new system
and so on.
1. Not for several years. The current cards for the iMac are not bad. If you're really a gamer (which on a Mac, you shouldn't be) you need a pro machine.
2. Not an issue for 99% of people. It's just not.
3. See #2
4. See #3
Anyone with kinds of add-on wants needs a pro system. Almost not consumer is going to want to do those things.
Also the mini and imacs are to small on the in side for high end video cards and cpus.
They're well powered for their market segments.