Originally Posted by Marvin
It might but it might not. The iMac and laptops are still different products with different designs. The prices don't really suggest Apple make much of a saving relative to other PC manufacturers.
The prices include Apple's stellar margins. The price savings is actually for laptops and not desktops as HP, Dell and Toshiba move more volume than Apple and therefore should get better discounts from Intel than Apple does. In the only other area that Apple competes in (workstations) it appears that Apple moves enough volume to be price cometitive with Dell...that and Dell has to make margin somewhere.
I still see no evidence that it will sell well. You are comparing the iphone to a tablet and assuming the touch functions will translate well to a larger form factor. Applications will need to be specially written and how will Apple maintain display quality and strength at that resolution and size?
There is evidence that MT is better than traditional the WIMP interface for some activities. Multi-touch was not invented by Apple (or Jeff Han) and there has been research for 20 years now.
Yes, applications will need to be rewritten for SOME things but who other than Apple controls both software and hardware so tightly?
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see one at some point but I seriously doubt that it's a safer bet to go with a tablet than a mid-range tower.
Of course it's not a "safer" bet. It is, however, far more lucrative. Any paradigm shift has the potential to level the playing field for the underdog.
Building mid-range towers, however elegant, simply plays to the strengths of the current market leaders. Well entrenched, highly competitive market leaders.
Design, design, design. Apple has nothing special in any of their products except design. That alone is enough to sell a small tower.
It did not for VAIO. They may have been somewhat less elegant than what Apple might do but far above what Dell and HP typically made.
People don't want AIOs, the PC world shows this quite clearly and Mac users haven't ever expressed any demand for AIOs.
Because 500K units per quarter is zero demand. Right.
Where were the polls back when Apple didn't have an iMac crying out for an all-in-one design? We were happy with towers and then Apple started shafting us with closed appliances starting at the low end and working up until now we have nothing but appliances short of a workstation.
You mean back when Apple SUCKED? With no profit, no vision and no Jobs. Paint me silly but I prefer NOW with the all the illusory "shafting".
So let's get this straight, you think Apple should sell a product to the smallest possible market, a market you aren't even a member of and you don't want them to sell to the largest market, which you are a member of. How can that possibly make any sense to you? You want them to sell a product you're not going to buy.
Lets get this straight, you were accusing me of wanting a tablet simply because I want to buy one. The point is that I am not in the position of replacing my MBP but would possibly get a tower over a mini. I still don't expect a tower and will likely get a mini or its replacement.
I would buy a tablet from Apple next year sometime. Perhaps even earlier should the release a multi-touch SDK. THIS year, assuming they release a SDK, I'll be trying to get a MS Surface.
Also, how much extra is this tablet going to be with MT? Will it lack an optical drive? I don't see how a product that will likely be over $6000 (this is the kind of pricing arguments we get from anti-xMac protesters) will sell when the Macbook Pro is way cheaper. Plus the tablet will only have integrated graphics.
You make a whole slew of unsupported assertions.
1) if it is a convertible it will not lack an optical drive unless it is an ultraportable.
2) the product price will not differ all that much from other convertibles on the market, just as the MBP doesn't differ all that much from other laptops in its class. The price delta will only have to include the price of a capacitance or other kind of MT sensor in addition to the digitizer found in current convertibles. The Toshiba tablets range from $1599 to $2599. I would expect a 15" convertible MBP tablet to be $2799 with the same specs as the 15" MBP but with digitizer and MT sensor.
3) There are tablets with more than integrated graphics.
But it would obviously cost less than a Mac Pro. If your boss is happy to let you buy a Mac Pro then what does he care if you get a cheaper mac?
No. Because we actually wanted workstations. The fact it can run OSX is a freebie and in fact they are in bootcamp mode nearly 100% of the time. Your xMac is not a workstation. We buy plenty of normal desktops from Dell too but the xMac would be 10%+ more expensive.
The parts are cheaper. It's not as if they are the same parts at a lower price. All we're saying is to use exactly the same margins and simply pass on the savings to us of not bundling a screen and not using mobile components.
That the margins are the same does not mean that Apple makes the same amount of money. 30% margins on $1000 is $300. 30% margins on $2000 is $600. Therefore you need to sell 2 $1000 machines to make the same $600.
And you're defending that kind of thing? You think it's right for Apple to make stupid computer configurations so that it's hard for people to tell how badly they are being ripped off?
I guarantee you that if Apple made towers folks would directly compare them against the equivalent Dell and HP and notice right away the "Apple Tax" and ignore the fact that Apple has to build its own OS and ecosystem to maintain that Apple ease of use.
For the iMac you also pay for the elegant form factor and reduced footprint at the cost of mobile parts. These features are unique enough that they defy direct comparison with competitor products...like towers.
So where's the problem? Apple make the sales one way or another and as I've said before, PC users will be far more likely to buy a familiar form factor than an AIO.
The problem is that Apple makes less money which means it has less money to invest in in new products like the iPhone and aTV. Note that one is a hit...and the other not. It also has less to invest in improving OSX.
Wrong. They will see a much more nicely designed product and weigh up whether or not it's worth paying a paltry 18% more (about £100-200) for a beautiful, small, easily configured machine that can run both OS X and Windows or Linux (though most consumers don't even know what Linux is) and fits better with their ipod/iphone.
A paltry 18% more? Small and easy to configure TOWER? Nay, I say the folks that care about the form factor to have a tower also don't want to pay a "paltry" 18% more for a machine that they will need to install XP/Vista to play games.
Again I don't expect a majority to go for this as the majority want dirt cheap, rock bottom prices. However, it will appeal to the people who want to spend a bit extra for a good machine but the same people who don't want to be ripped off with novelty products that don't satisfy their needs.
So buy a frigging Dell if Apple is ripping you off. As I've said in other threads, the only thin Apple needs in the lineup is a $1699 Mac pro single Xeon.