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post #121 of 312
9/5/07 at 2:29pm
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9/5/07 at 2:29pm
My issue is this...

All I want is an iPod with a massive amount of storage and the ability to stream it's music to an airport connected to my stereo. I want all of my music... all of it... on an iPod... in Apple Lossless (or 320 AAC)... in my hand... streaming to my stereo. I've been waiting for this for years. I've tried FM transmitters and they are useless. And besides... what's the point of having CD quality files on your iPod and then feeding them over a crappy FM signal. So I was quite exited about the WiFi rumors... but it didn't pan out Now I have a choice...

1. WiFi but barely any storage space (iPod Touch)
2. Huge storage space, but no WiFi (iPod Classic)

Shitty The wait continues.

BTW... can you use the WiFi in the 'touch' to stream your music to an airport base station????

p.s. I could care less about safari and games and events and buying music over the air (I will only buy real CD's until iTunes offers better quality) and the touch interface... etc. I mean... it's all super cool... but again... all I want is an iPod with a HUGE hard drive and the ability to stream. Is that so hard?! :-(
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post #123 of 312
9/5/07 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

Then what you need is a smart phone, not an iPod

Or, if you only want the WiFi, "real" email client, web browser, and music and video player, but not the phone part, then you might do well with a Palm T|X. Or any one of the slew of Windows Mobile PDAs with WiFi.

Keep in mind that you'd need to buy an external Flash card to get close to the storage capacity of the iPod Touch.

I know Compact Flash cards at 8 GB are readily accessible now, and at the outer limit I think I've heard of capacities up to 64 GB if you're willing to pay through the teeth for it.

SD and MMC cards are available at up to 4 GB right now. I think they've been announced in capacities of up to 8 or 16 GB, but I don't think they're available yet.
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post #124 of 312
9/5/07 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

For the iPod Touch, its 22 hrs, and only 5 hrs while playing video.

Now, throw a hard drive into the mix. What does batt life drop to then?

I didn't really dig the original 'video iPod', which only had 2-3 hrs video playback time. One movie, and pfft, you're done. \.

It doesn't drop from 22hrs, it drops from 40hrs because the Classic has a much bigger battery than the touch to start with. I think the drop might be to 35hrs worst case for music.
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post #125 of 312
9/5/07 at 2:42pm
What I have been unable to figure out is if the calander and contacts are directly editable form the ipod touch like they are on the iphone. This one thing will decide for me whether or not I will wait for the iphone (Canada) or just go get the ipod touch.

If they are not I think thats ridiculous.
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post #126 of 312
9/5/07 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by ChrisDaMacMan View Post

Hmmm 8Gb and 16Gb is that it? i was hoping for more. But everything else...just WOW....droulllll

Definatly getting an iPod Touch when the storage is higher, though I'm guessing I maybe waiting for a while!

Did you spot the rip off UK price? £269 for the 16GB - roughly $135 more than the US! Guess that I won't get one until my next trip!
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post #127 of 312
9/5/07 at 2:46pm
I have a music library of over 55GB, but I am more than happy with a 16GB iPod touch.

I just have some smart playlists that manage my music for me. They work great on my iPod nano 4Gb, so they will be even better and will let me set up more with 16GB.

I have the following set up :-

1GB of the most recently added tracks to iTunes, that way I always have my recent purchases as they are usually something I want to listen to.

2GB of my favorite tracks (4 stars or above), that have not been played in the last 6 months, the playlist also selects the tracks based on those which have the lowest play count.

1GB of manually selected music that is 'hot' with me at the moment.

What I will probably do is set up a few favorites playlist as above, but limit each to a different Genre. That way I will always have some favorites of each Genre that I really like (Musicals, Pop, Easy Listening)

I will have a Video playlist of course, they are easy to deal with as the content is much less in number.

Have a few photo albums on there and I'm all set!

I still have my 60GB iPod photos if I really feel I need to take all my music with me somewhere like a party or a 2 week vacation.

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post #128 of 312
9/5/07 at 2:49pm
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You forgot the other "clever dick" responses:

"Nobody is putting a gun to your head."

"Nobody is forcing you to buy it."

"If you don't like it, then buy a PC."

No I didn't, I just didn't want to be more insufferably verbose than I normally am. I also considered it would be unnecessarily redundant.

Buy a PC? - bite your tongue!
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post #129 of 312
9/5/07 at 2:50pm
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Did you spot the rip off UK price? £269 for the 16GB - roughly $135 more than the US! Guess that I won't get one until my next trip!

Remember that the USA price does not include tax but the UK price does.

If remove the VAT from the UK price that make it £228, if you then convert to $ you get $460.

That means we are paying $61 more which is about £30, not to bad. They do need to allow for currency fluctuations. If the $ falls down to a $1.80 exchange rate as it was last year the $ price would be $410, i.e. only $11 more expensive or £5.

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post #130 of 312
9/5/07 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by tundraboy View Post

I'm Asian myself so I can say this:

Jeez, they had to pick the dorkiest-looking Asian guy in the world to host this?


The guy looks fine, speaks well and thankfully is not pretentious like you.

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post #131 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

My issue is this...

All I want is an iPod with a massive amount of storage and the ability to stream it's music to an airport connected to my stereo. I want all of my music... all of it... on an iPod... in Apple Lossless (or 320 AAC)... in my hand... streaming to my stereo. I've been waiting for this for years. I've tried FM transmitters and they are useless. And besides... what's the point of having CD quality files on your iPod and then feeding them over a crappy FM signal. So I was quite exited about the WiFi rumors... but it didn't pan out Now I have a choice...

1. WiFi but barely any storage space (iPod Touch)
2. Huge storage space, but no WiFi (iPod Classic)

Shitty The wait continues.

BTW... can you use the WiFi in the 'touch' to stream your music to an airport base station????

p.s. I could care less about safari and games and events and buying music over the air (I will only buy real CD's until iTunes offers better quality) and the touch interface... etc. I mean... it's all super cool... but again... all I want is an iPod with a HUGE hard drive and the ability to stream. Is that so hard?! :-(

I wouldn't mind what you describe but it would be a hefty drain on the battery. My imperfect solution is I got an infrared remote for my iPod and it sits in a dock attached to the Hi-Fi and I can control some functions that way with high quality sound output.

Ok, my iPod Vault idea needs a tweak so that it can be in a dock while its content can be browsed and controlled by the iPhone/Touch. So only the control signals and content data needs to be sent rather than the full music stream. Should cut down on the battery drain I would imagine.
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post #132 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:06pm
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Why anyone goes [to Starbucks] is beyond me. It's expensive and low quality. I was dragged in there a few days ago, first time in like a year, and was like "WTF, you only have two blends available, one caffeinated and one decaf???". As a tea drinker, they have the worst teas. All of our local coffee shops have better coffees, teas and fresher pastries; better prices and free WiFi. I don't get it.

Yeah, Starbucks is overrated. I go there for the occasional frappucino and that's it.

Though I thought they had good teas... Tazo is what I remember them carrying. And Tazo's pretty good... Numi is the only brand I've encountered that leaves 'em in the dust.

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post #133 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

It doesn't drop from 22hrs, it drops from 40hrs because the Classic has a much bigger battery than the touch to start with. I think the drop might be to 35hrs worst case for music.

Do we know this, or are we assuming this? What's the mAh rating on each battery?

Remember, they made the Classic thin too. The 80GB is only 10.5mm thick. While the batt is still likely bigger than the Touch's, there's not necessarily a huge honkin' battery in there anymore. \


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post #134 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

I wouldn't mind what you describe but it would be a hefty drain on the battery..

Yah. Probably. It would be so cool tho' to be able to hold your entire music collection in your hand and have it play over a high quality stereo system. Someday

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Ok, my iPod Vault idea needs a tweak so that it can be in a dock while its content can be browsed and controlled by the iPhone/Touch. So only the control signals and content data needs to be sent rather than the full music stream. Should cut down on the battery drain I would imagine.

Very neat idea. If you could control the iTunes on your desktop computer... that would be even better... then you'd only need one iPod. That's how it should be really. You should have all of your stuff on a 'server'... every song and video etc. that you own... and be able to control it... visually (remote controls suck)... from small wireless devices like the iPod Touch.
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post #135 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:13pm
I don't see anything about video out. Does the iPod touch support it? How about the iPod Classic?
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post #136 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:18pm
I generally agree with a lot of the "meh" comments about the capacity of the iPod touch. For my needs, despite some of the admittedly nice functionality of the iPod touch, a mere 16G at that price point I just don't find all that compelling. I travel a lot (coast to coast and overseas) and one of the things I value most about my iPod is the fact that I can carry my entire music collection (around 40G) at all times and not have to think beforehand about what I am going to want to listen to during hour 11 of my flight to Tokyo. That being said, for lots of users, for whom the capacity is not an issue, the iPod touch has lots to offer.

As for the early adopters of iPhone getting screwed. There is no denying the fact that you pay the price to be the first kid on the block to have the coolest new toy. As a rule of thumb, to avoid the heartache of short-term price drops and/or feature additions, I never buy any newly announced Apple hardware within the first 3 months of release. On the whole, I have found that I have been happier being envious for 3 months but paying less and/or getting more features. I would generally say that, unless you are about to move to Antarctica and the hardware you are using is two generations back so you just have to have it NOW, it always pays to wait.
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post #137 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:19pm
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Get mail from Yahoo, Gmail through Safari... what's the problem?

Webmail sucks.
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post #138 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by desarc View Post

WTF Jobs?!?!?

soooo pissed off that i spent an extra $200 on my phone than i needed to.
fastest selling launch in history? and fastest to piss off the early adopters.

So, you don't need the telephone or email client, or visual voicemail? Yeah, that leaves me to wonder why you bought an iPhone...
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post #139 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:23pm
Hot diggity damn! I'd been hoping for something like this just because I hate AT&T so much. Now if only somebody would write a Skype client, I'd buy it in a second. As it is, it's awfully tempting. Of course, there's still the problem that Apple omitted a built-in microphone (and Bluetooth), but I'm sure some smart company can come out with a headset that uses the dock connector.
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post #140 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by macornot View Post

I'm bummed to see the ipod touch NOT including calendar, notes.
Other than the phone feature, why does it have much less functionality?

Why cripple the new ipod touch out of the box?
Is marketing just trying to force me to the phone?
(don't want those monthly bills thank you)

cheers.

I can't believe it when I read posts like this!

Apple gave us more than we expected, and now people are crawling out of the woodwork even before the product is available to complain that Apple didn't give us even MORE!

At least wait a while to see what happens.
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post #141 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by desarc View Post

it's super cool that i only have to pay another buck to hear a song i already have on my iPhone play when someone calls me. that's awesome... does anyone know why licensing rights are different for listening to a song vs. listening to a song when your phone rings? why does this cost more money [in general, i'm not complaining @ apple, just pay-for ringtones in general]

i'm glad i still buy my music on CD's. it won't cost me more money to re-encode them at a higher bit-rate, or DRM free - but if i want to use one as a ringtone, it looks like i'm out 2 bucks even though i own the music on disc. AND as an added bonus to ripping songs from disc: i have the Beatles on my iPhone :P

I don't see it as a big price. The songs are licensed for play as songs, not rigntomes. That's the right of the copyright holder. They are allowed to maximize their earnings, as is everyone else.

Elsewhere, if you buy a song, and decide you like it enough to use as a ringtone, you have to buy it again as a ringtone for $2.00 - $3.00.

This is a bargain at $0.99.
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post #142 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

My issue is this...

All I want is an iPod with a massive amount of storage and the ability to stream it's music to an airport connected to my stereo. I want all of my music... all of it... on an iPod... in Apple Lossless (or 320 AAC)... in my hand... streaming to my stereo. I've been waiting for this for years. I've tried FM transmitters and they are useless. And besides... what's the point of having CD quality files on your iPod and then feeding them over a crappy FM signal. So I was quite exited about the WiFi rumors... but it didn't pan out Now I have a choice...

1. WiFi but barely any storage space (iPod Touch)
2. Huge storage space, but no WiFi (iPod Classic)

Shitty The wait continues.

BTW... can you use the WiFi in the 'touch' to stream your music to an airport base station????

p.s. I could care less about safari and games and events and buying music over the air (I will only buy real CD's until iTunes offers better quality) and the touch interface... etc. I mean... it's all super cool... but again... all I want is an iPod with a HUGE hard drive and the ability to stream. Is that so hard?! :-(

I don't understand your need at all. It doesn't seem to make sense.

Let's see if I understand this. You have a computer with all of your video and music on it, but you NEED to stream from your iPod instead?

Why on earth would you want to do that?
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post #143 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:36pm
Does anyone know if I have a T-Mobile total internet package would I be able to use iPod touch wifi anywhere I have a T-Mobile signal?

Also is the T-Mobile total internet package any good?
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post #144 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

Do you need an iTunes store account to activate these new iPods, even if you don't intend to purchase anything from iTunes?

Good question. I'd like to know the answer to this one too. It's probably much like using iTunes on the Mac, you need an iTunes account to do things like automatically get album covers for CoverFlow (though this probably gets done through iTunes anyhow).
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post #145 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:38pm
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Do we know this, or are we assuming this? What's the mAh rating on each battery?

Remember, they made the Classic thin too. The 80GB is only 10.5mm thick. While the batt is still likely bigger than the Touch's, there's not necessarily a huge honkin' battery in there anymore. \.

There may not be honkin big battery in the Classic 80gb but there almost certainly must be one in the 160gb version to get 40hrs.

We don't know the battery capacities until someone dissects these devices but going from a 2.5" LCD screen to a 3.5" one shouldn't result in a huge increase in power consumption.
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post #146 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:44pm
does anybody here know if the iPod Touch can run instant chat messaging like MSN or AIM? Thanks
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9/5/07 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I don't see it as a big price. The songs are licensed for play as songs, not rigntomes. That's the right of the copyright holder. They are allowed to maximize their earnings, as is everyone else.

Elsewhere, if you buy a song, and decide you like it enough to use as a ringtone, you have to buy it again as a ringtone for $2.00 - $3.00.

This is a bargain at $0.99.

What are you talking about?

I have a Sony Ericsson K750i and I can put any MP3s I want on to it and I can nominate any MP3 as my ring tone - I don't have to pay anyone anything extra.
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post #148 of 312
9/5/07 at 3:57pm
Awesome!

I am from London but will be buying the 16GB iPod Touch from New York next month as prices here in the UK are way more expensive!

Check out the Facebook group dedicated to the new iPod Touch:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5818705718




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post #149 of 312
9/5/07 at 4:02pm
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The new iPod touch's dock is looking amazing compared to the iPhone's dock!

I am also intruiged why Apple has put the iPhone next to the recently announced iPods on their front page (www.apple.com). The iPhone really looks like a dinosaur.

Heh...the iPod Touch appears to be a mockup while the iPhone appear to be a photo. I would assume the dock would be the same on both eventually.

Oh hey...no camera in the touch? That makes sense but is kinda a shame.
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post #150 of 312
9/5/07 at 4:03pm
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

Then what you need is a smart phone, not an iPod

RIGHT But we have wireless everywhere in my building and you can't get a cell signal. So why do I need a smart phone to check my email while I'm at work?
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post #151 of 312
9/5/07 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I can't believe it when I read posts like this!

Apple gave us more than we expected, and now people are crawling out of the woodwork even before the product is available to complain that Apple didn't give us even MORE!

At least wait a while to see what happens.

They didn't give us what the could have done with a simple software install. Just install the software for the mail client. It costs Apple NOTHING to include mail.
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post #152 of 312
9/5/07 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I don't understand your need at all. It doesn't seem to make sense.

Let's see if I understand this. You have a computer with all of your video and music on it, but you NEED to stream from your iPod instead?

Why on earth would you want to do that?

Because you want to sit and listen to your hi-Fi from a comfortable listening position and you don't want to get up and leave the room and go to where your computer is just to change tracks. You want to be able to do all that from the comfort of your Le Corbusier Chaise Lounge http://www.spacify.com/products-143-10-LC4.html

You aren't, after all, going to keep your computer and Hi-Fi in the same room because the former is too noisy.
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post #153 of 312
9/5/07 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

Very neat idea. If you could control the iTunes on your desktop computer... that would be even better... then you'd only need one iPod. That's how it should be really. You should have all of your stuff on a 'server'... every song and video etc. that you own... and be able to control it... visually (remote controls suck)... from small wireless devices like the iPod Touch.

Should be doable with an Ajax web page and AppleScript.

http://dougscripts.com/itunes/scripts/scripts02.php

Here's what you can do on Windows:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scr...one/tunes.mspx

To make it work should be fairly easy. To make it secure and pretty is more work but doable.
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post #154 of 312
9/5/07 at 4:17pm
I'll be picking mine up this weekend. Can't wait.

I'm glad I held out ... it was hard to wait a few extra months but it was well worth the wait.
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post #155 of 312
9/5/07 at 4:19pm
Here... php example of controlling itunes.

http://whatsmyip.org/itunesremote/

Here's windows version:

http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/13/h...y-web-browser/

See? Simple to control via iPod touch. Making it pretty and not a gaping security hole takes more effort.

For Windows folks with $30:

http://www.playerpal.com/
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post #156 of 312
9/5/07 at 4:28pm
I came home and checked the apple website immediately, my pants are wet and my ballsack is empty.

Anyone who is complaining needs to be hit by a bus.
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post #157 of 312
9/5/07 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

There's this new thing called a bookmark in Safari. You tap it and amazingly your web based email page just pops up. It's very cool, you should try it.

What would be cooler is if the bookmark automatically logged in for me and check the email automatically and then sent me a signal to indicated I have email to check. Oh wait that's called an email client.
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9/5/07 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by desarc View Post

it's super cool that i only have to pay another buck to hear a song i already have on my iPhone play when someone calls me. that's awesome... does anyone know why licensing rights are different for listening to a song vs. listening to a song when your phone rings? why does this cost more money [in general, i'm not complaining @ apple, just pay-for ringtones in general]

i'm glad i still buy my music on CD's. it won't cost me more money to re-encode them at a higher bit-rate, or DRM free - but if i want to use one as a ringtone, it looks like i'm out 2 bucks even though i own the music on disc. AND as an added bonus to ripping songs from disc: i have the Beatles on my iPhone :P

I don't even care about the ringtones feature, I don't see myself using it, I've had the same ringtone since 7/29. I would pay 99 cents each for message alert tones for mail, voicemail, and sms messages that are actually audible when the phone is more than two feet away.
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9/5/07 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by G-News View Post

"I'm not buying any of that crap until Apple releases an iPhone with 1TB of storage, 100h of battery life (fuelcell), a 30" foldable screen, UMTS, EDGE, GPRS, GPS navigation system, satellite uplink, DVB-T receiver, Wi-Fi 802.11m, FireWire 800, a solar panel, independent network selection, the ability to boot OS X and Windows and free calls worldwide and all that for 1.99$"

Me, I don't want a solar panel, but a solar powered dock. That would be keen.

Skype too. and I like your pricing too.
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9/5/07 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by mydo View Post

Yea but no I'm away from my desk at work a lot and would like to receive email and reply to it as it comes in. I don't want to have to log in via the web over and over to see if I have anything new.

That's a good point. Don't you suppose they'll add mail capacity shortly via firmware update?
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