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I could care less

What is it with Americans? Why do they all say this?

It's "I could NOT care less". Think about it!
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post #162 of 312
I think the new iPods are all great. Apple continues to bring out really great stuff...

In regards to the iPhone 4GB elimination and the $200 drop in the 8GB, people should already realize that price drops happen like that all the time with new electronic devices. Apple knows their markey obviously, they brought out the iPhone at a price that customers are willing to spend on a revolutionary device and now that its been on the market awhile, they dropped it to continue the steady sales if not increase them.

For the iPod classic, in one sentence who has 40,000 songs?!?

The nano, pretty cool but will wait awhile to buy that. Its great for small trips (i.e. jogging, hiking, etc)

The touch is awesome, this thing is going to make Apple some money. I already want to buy one because of all the great new features. The only thing I wish they would of brought out with the Wi-Fi introduction is widgets.

Does anyone agree with me on that?
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

Here is what they should have had on offer today - the iPod Vault. It would be a 160gb HD with a battery and WiFi and no screen. When it was on and within range of it's paired Touch or iPhone, Its content would appear seamlessly on the display of the Touch/iPhone and could be played via that device. Want to travel light, just take your iPhone/Touch and go. Want your full music and video collection - pop the vault into a pocket, bag - whatever and you have it all.

Interesting idea, I like it.


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For the iPod Touch, its 22 hrs, and only 5 hrs while playing video.

Now, throw a hard drive into the mix. What does batt life drop to then?

I didn't really dig the original 'video iPod', which only had 2-3 hrs video playback time. One movie, and pfft, you're done. \

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It doesn't drop from 22hrs, it drops from 40hrs because the Classic has a much bigger battery than the touch to start with. I think the drop might be to 35hrs worst case for music.

Battery life is not the reason that there is no HDD version. The iPod classic runs an embedded OS on a piddly electronics platform. The iPod touch runs OS X on a beefy processor with 128 MB of RAM. The iPod touch actually has a huge battery, assuming it has one the same size as the iPhone, and I see no reason why it shouldn't.

Adding an HDD would not reduce battery life too much. The iPod classic has a solid-state memory buffer - data is copied to the buffer, then the HDD spins down. As long as the user doesn't skip tracks all the time, the HDD doesn't have to spin up very often and is off most of the time.

Some possible reasons why the iPod touch has no HDD option:

1.) Steve thought the iPod touch with HDD would be too thick.

2.) The HDD generates too much heat and screws up the touch screen.

I think it's number 1.)
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post #164 of 312
So no video out then, a la the iPod video? I mean classic.
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"I'm not buying any of that crap until Apple releases an iPhone with 1TB of storage, 100h of battery life (fuelcell), a 30" foldable screen, UMTS, EDGE, GPRS, GPS navigation system, satellite uplink, DVB-T receiver, Wi-Fi 802.11m, FireWire 800, a solar panel, independent network selection, the ability to boot OS X and Windows and free calls worldwide and all that for 1.99$"

...and it has to be thiner!
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post #166 of 312
I think the iPhone is the winner of today's announcement. Clearly Apple try to hold iPhone as the king of iPods.
iPod touch with 16gig max of storage is a joke. I will only buy it if when I buy my iPhone the AT&T reception and service turns out to be crap. If not I would think the iPhone is a much better deal (mail, edge, camera, more apps, goggle maps, etc) for $100 more than the iPod Touch. If you need a cell phone anyway and one device that does it all, iPhone is the one. It offers much more than the Touch. So that's where I am going to spend my money.

I wish the iPod touch had 80 gig and 160gig hard drives on it. It could be thicker. I don't mind. So I guess we will have to wait a good time to increase flash storage.
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post #167 of 312
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Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post

What is it with Americans? Why do they all say this?

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Think about it!

That is not our way.
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post #168 of 312
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Originally Posted by zenatek View Post

What I have been unable to figure out is if the calander and contacts are directly editable form the ipod touch like they are on the iphone.

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/featu...ure=multitouch

And iPod touch features a touchscreen QWERTY keyboard perfect for browsing the web in Safari, searching for videos on YouTube, finding music on the iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store, entering calendar events, or adding new contacts.
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so there is no email on the Touch or there is no .Mac on the touch. Would I be able to go to my Colleges website and access my email by logging in through the site? Also the entire campus is wireless so would browsing cost me anything ($$$) on the Touch? I am really confused about the can and cannots of the iPod Touch.
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Will you be able to play itunes games on the touch....
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

That is not our way.

You guys like to say things that don't make sense or don't actually say what you mean?
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does anybody here know if the iPod Touch can run instant chat messaging like MSN or AIM? Thanks
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[QUOTE=anantksundaram;1137505]Actually, no. /QUOTE]

Yes, hence the

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Yes, hence the


You're cool. I think.
post #175 of 312
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Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post

You guys like to say things that don't make sense or don't actually say what you mean?

Groan \ ..... we've been thru this before.

Here's the punchline: both "could care less" (British usage) and "couldn't care less" (American usage) are perfectly legitimate (the brit-with-good-teeth may roll his eyes again , but who cares).

Please check any decent dictionary/word-usage website.
post #176 of 312
The iPod Touch and iPhone appear to share the same OS and underlying APIs. There are already reverse engineered software apps for the iPhone. A package loader, a launcher, an SDK. And those tools are getting better by the day.

Regardless of what Apple does, there will soon be a good sized developer community for these OS X derived products. It will soon be as easy as going to VersionTracker and downloading a package to install new software on the Touch and iPhone. IMHO, that will make these things fly off the shelves.

Ring tones? Bah. There's already tools to make any of your songs a ring tone. Sure, those tools will never reach "the masses", but the tech savvy will be using them.

Missing apps on the Touch? Wait a month or two and they will appear. There's a lot of space there to be filled with icons.

AT&T may force Apple's hand to lock out the third party developers - can't have "wild" software messing with the cell network. But the Touch has no such compulsion. Apple has already shown with the Apple TV that they are willing to turn a blind eye to the hacker community. The Touch brings the same thing with it.

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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Groan \ ..... we've been thru this before.

Here's the punchline: both "could care less" (British usage) and "couldn't care less" (American usage) are perfectly legitimate (the brit-with-good-teeth may roll his eyes again , but who cares).

Please check any decent dictionary/word-usage website.

Um, you got the British and American usage the wrong way around. Both are "legitimate" in that they make sense grammatically, but are you seriously suggesting the word "not" has no meaning? The two phrases mean the opposite of each other.

If I say "I could care less what you think of me", it means that I care about what you think of me (I care and therefore am able to care less). If I say "I couldn't care less what you think of me", it means that I do not care about what you think of me (I do not care, and therefore it is impossible for me to care less - I couldn't care less).

Of course, since the word "not" doesn't mean anything to you, you will find this explanation hard to follow since it involves the word "not", (or its contraction: n't) quite a bit
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post #178 of 312
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RIGHT But we have wireless everywhere in my building and you can't get a cell signal. So why do I need a smart phone to check my email while I'm at work?

Ah, well that's a specialized need that you should have mentioned.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

What are you talking about?

I have a Sony Ericsson K750i and I can put any MP3s I want on to it and I can nominate any MP3 as my ring tone - I don't have to pay anyone anything extra.

You're in Ireland. I don't know what you can do there, as you don't know what we can do here.
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but if i want to use one as a ringtone, it looks like i'm out 2 bucks even though i own the music on disc.

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I have a Sony Ericsson K750i and I can put any MP3s I want on to it and I can nominate any MP3 as my ring tone - I don't have to pay anyone anything extra.

Yeah, that bugs me to. Luckily iToner exists. For 20 bucks you can put whatever songs you want as ringtones on your iPhone.

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Instead of randomly scattered icons on the screen, can the icons be arranged alphabetically? Can you hide unwanted icons like YouTube? Does it come with any games?

You can't on the iPhone, I don't see why it would be different with the iPod touch.

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Why anyone goes there is beyond me. It's expensive and low quality. I was dragged in there a few days ago, first time in like a year, and was like "WTF, you only have two blends available, one caffeinated and one decaf???". As a tea drinker, they have the worst teas. All of our local coffee shops have better coffees, teas and fresher pastries; better prices and free WiFi. I don't get it.

I don't suppose you've heard about North American coffee before Starbucks? (and outside NYC/San Francisco). Diner coffee or… diner coffee.

Starbucks is the main reason all those awesome indie coffee stores exist. For that alone they will always get a pass from me.

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does anybody here know if the iPod Touch can run instant chat messaging like MSN or AIM? Thanks

It can't yet, but it will likely be hacked to enable additional programs.

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so there is no email on the Touch or there is no .Mac on the touch. Would I be able to go to my Colleges website and access my email by logging in through the site? Also the entire campus is wireless so would browsing cost me anything ($$$) on the Touch? I am really confused about the can and cannots of the iPod Touch.

Basically iPod Touch WiFi = normal WiFi. The main difference is that your only three applications are a browser, a Youtube video browser, and the iTunes store.

So yes you can to your College website and log in to get your email, and no using WiFi on the Touch does not cost you anything (unless the wireless network is a pay one).
post #181 of 312
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They didn't give us what the could have done with a simple software install. Just install the software for the mail client. It costs Apple NOTHING to include mail.

This isn't intended to be used for that.

But, I'll tell you what. I'll bet that the same groups that have been working on SDK's and installers, as well as programs, for the iPhone will surely work their software so that it will function with this as well. Who knows, the two might be close enough so that it will work without modification.

After all, the iPhone doesn't come with chat, but there are two programs for it that do that. And these are installable programs, not AJAX and XML.

Who knows, maybe this is Jobs intention to get third party programs on these devices without doing it themselves in case of problems, or whatever.

That's why I say to wait and see what happens.

You might get mail, and Exchange support, but not from Apple.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

Because you want to sit and listen to your hi-Fi from a comfortable listening position and you don't want to get up and leave the room and go to where your computer is just to change tracks. You want to be able to do all that from the comfort of your Le Corbusier Chaise Lounge http://www.spacify.com/products-143-10-LC4.html

You aren't, after all, going to keep your computer and Hi-Fi in the same room because the former is too noisy.

I thought the Apple controller for the ATV was supposed to do that for you. That was the entire point. Control your computers video's and music from your living room. You shouldn't need an iPod to do that.

If you do, then something is wrong.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Ah, well that's a specialized need that you should have mentioned.

It's not that specialized. iPhone can do it. iPod can't. And the only reason is because Apple didn't include the software they already developed.


There's no reason for this at all. Other than marketing.
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What is it with Americans? Why do they all say this?

It's "I could NOT care less". Think about it!

There is no explaining idiomatic expressions.

You have yours, and we have ours.
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It's not that specialized. iPhone can do it. iPod can't. And the only reason is because Apple didn't include the software they already developed.


There's no reason for this at all. Other than marketing.

As I told someone else, it wasn't intended for that, but it might come anyway, even if not through Apple.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

There is no explaining idiomatic expressions.

You have yours, and we have ours.

No explaining? I would have thought that the origins of a saying should be traceable. So the question is, which idiot decided to leave out the "not", and why did you all copy him/her?

If someone says to you "I could care less about Mail on the iPod touch", you take that to mean they don't care about it, if they're American. What if you do care about it? How does the conversation go?

Person A: "I could care less about Mail on the iPod touch."
Person B: "I could."

Person A: "I could care less about Mail on the iPod touch."
Person B: "I couldn't."

In which situation has person B shared person A's non-caring status? I just don't get it. Why why why do you guys leave out the "not"? Can't it lead to confusion?
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As I told someone else, it wasn't intended for that, but it might come anyway, even if not through Apple.

Why not? It's a no brainer. It's got WiFi. It's got OS X (I assume). Why not install the software? Or allow me to install it later? There's no reason. Other than marketing.
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I don't understand your need at all. It doesn't seem to make sense.

Let's see if I understand this. You have a computer with all of your video and music on it, but you NEED to stream from your iPod instead?

Why on earth would you want to do that?

I didn't use the word "NEED"... it's what I would "like". Why? Because with all my music on my iMac... I have to be sitting in front of my iMac to browse my music, change selections, change playlists, switch to shuffle or not... etc. etc. etc.

Yes... I could use a remote control... but that's not a very nice interface.

Yes... I could use Front Row... but I still have to be within viewing distance of my iMac... and I still have to use a crappy remote control interface.

Do you not think it would be cool to have something like the iPod touch... with all of your music on it (or controlling all of your music on a server)... take it with you anywhere in the house (speakers in multiple rooms)... you're not tied down with wires... you're not tied to a remote screen... you're not crippled with a push button remote that has no screen... etc. You'd have all of your music... in your hand... with a full graphical multi-touch user interface... streaming to a high-end stereo system. All wireless. Awesome. It would... in a sense... be the ultimate remote control.
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Should be doable with an Ajax web page and AppleScript.

http://dougscripts.com/itunes/scripts/scripts02.php

I was thinking the same thing actually. Now that we have an iPod with 'net connectivity... it opens up a lot of possibilities for remote control via the web. Thanks for the links.
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WTF Jobs?!?!?

soooo pissed off that i spent an extra $200 on my phone than i needed to.
fastest selling launch in history? and fastest to piss off the early adopters.

That's the price of early adoption. This is no secret, Apple has always worked this way. And they aren't the only company to have ever done so.
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No explaining? I would have thought that the origins of a saying should be traceable. So the question is, which idiot decided to leave out the "not", and why did you all copy him/her?

If someone says to you "I could care less about Mail on the iPod touch", you take that to mean they don't care about it, if they're American. What if you do care about it? How does the conversation go?

Person A: "I could care less about Mail on the iPod touch."
Person B: "I could."

Person A: "I could care less about Mail on the iPod touch."
Person B: "I couldn't."

In which situation has person B shared person A's non-caring status? I just don't get it. Why why why do you guys leave out the "not"? Can't it lead to confusion?

What do I call you? Mr. H is so formal. I'll go with "H".

Ok, H, while the origin of a phrase would normally make sense, hopefully grammatically, even that is not always true. But, let's say it is here, as it likely is.

That doesn't explain why some words get dropped over time. If one were an historian of language, perhaps one would know, but otherwise, we don't.

Sometimes, I know, words get dropped because the phrase is used in a way that favors a shorter statement, or quicker. Sometimes, it's just easier to say.

Heh. I wouldn't want to talk to that person. People who use these idiomatic expressions know what they mean, and people who hear them do as well.

So, if you did care about the mail, you would say. Yes, I care about the mail.

People usually don't talk in the negative. In other words, no one here would ever think of saying I could care less, to mean that they could care, but not much, when they would simply say, that they would care. Or, they might say that they don't care much, meaning that they do care, but, er, not much.

Saying I could care less, with the meaning you would assign to it would be an offhand expression. something thrown over the shoulder when passing by, so to speak, not often done here either.
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Why not? It's a no brainer. It's got WiFi. It's got OS X (I assume). Why not install the software? Or allow me to install it later? There's no reason. Other than marketing.

It's a no brainer for someone outside Apple who wants it. I agree with that.

But, that doesn't mean that Apple sees its being used that way. Do you see what I mean.

Maybe they could have put it in, but chose not to.
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What I have been unable to figure out is if the calander and contacts are directly editable form the ipod touch like they are on the iphone. This one thing will decide for me whether or not I will wait for the iphone (Canada) or just go get the ipod touch.

If they are not I think thats ridiculous.

Very good question!
Anyone know?

And I agree with those who wonder why Mail isn't on the iPod.
post #194 of 312
iTunes 7.4? Where? No sign of it anywhere.
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Price, baby, price. 32GB would have increased the price another $100 to $150.

I would have paid more for the 32gb. $599 price point-I would have paid.
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I didn't use the word "NEED"... it's what I would "like". Why? Because with all my music on my iMac... I have to be sitting in front of my iMac to browse my music, change selections, change playlists, switch to shuffle or not... etc. etc. etc.

Ok, need, like, whatever.

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Yes... I could use a remote control... but that's not a very nice interface.

Yes... I could use Front Row... but I still have to be within viewing distance of my iMac... and I still have to use a crappy remote control interface.

I think we're talking past each other. If you have an ATv, then correct my possible understanding. If you don't, then perhaps, I might be correcting yours.

From what I know about the ATv, it also uses Front Row, and the Apple remote. That's the entire idea behind it.

Whatever you have on your computer is seen on your Tv screen using the ATv's Front Row program. The ATv then, controls what you see, and hear, from your computer, which is in another room, either broadcasting to the ATv over wireless, or wired Ethernet. You are controlling what you want from your very comfy seat, using the Apple controller, while pointing it at the ATv, which is in front of you, near your Tv.

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Do you not think it would be cool to have something like the iPod touch... with all of your music on it (or controlling all of your music on a server)... take it with you anywhere in the house (speakers in multiple rooms)... you're not tied down with wires... you're not tied to a remote screen... you're not crippled with a push button remote that has no screen... etc. You'd have all of your music... in your hand... with a full graphical multi-touch user interface... streaming to a high-end stereo system. All wireless. Awesome. It would... in a sense... be the ultimate remote control.

It would be cool, but not required to do what you want to do now, as far as I can see.

Check out Apple's page on the ATv, and let us know if it does what you want.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL.../ipod/apple_tv
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Mr. H: There is this thing called 'slang' that exists in America. Almost everyone uses it so much that when they talk to people outside of the region where the certain slang term exists, they will still use it even though the 'foreigner' might not understand it. The person, being an ignorant American, would also not likely realize their folly until the other person specifically asked them what the phrase or word meant.

American English is very different from that of the British, Australian, or any other country that speaks it. We are usually very sarcastic, cynical, and lazy in our grammar. Certain words get dropped (or added), and as time passes they can become part of the common language. Oh, and we use hyperboles all the time too.

Why is it called a 'spot' of tea? Why do you call it a trolley instead of a train? (Or why do we call it a train instead of a trolley?). Or any of the other hundreds or thousands of minor differences in our language that make some things hard to understand when conversing.
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I would have paid more for the 32gb. $599 price point-I would have paid.

I'm sure that some people would have, if $599 would have been the price point.

But, Apple likely did enough marketing to get the idea that not very many would have paid that.

If you wait, possibly 6 months from now, you'll have your wish.
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Mr. H: There is this thing called 'slang' that exists in America. Almost everyone uses it so much that when they talk to people outside of the region where the certain slang term exists, they will still use it even though the 'foreigner' might not understand it. The person, being an ignorant American, would also not likely realize their folly until the other person specifically asked them what the phrase or word meant.

American English is very different from that of the British, Australian, or any other country that speaks it. We are usually very sarcastic, cynical, and lazy in our grammar. Certain words get dropped (or added), and as time passes they can become part of the common language. Oh, and we use hyperboles all the time too.

Why is it called a 'spot' of tea? Why do you call it a trolley instead of a train? (Or why do we call it a train instead of a trolley?). Or any of the other hundreds or thousands of minor differences in our language that make some things hard to understand when conversing.

"Cor, Gov'ner", you got that right. I'm not sure if I spelt that right, but i've heard it so many times on British Tv.
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American English is very different from that of the British, Australian, or any other country that speaks it.

Why is it called a 'spot' of tea? Why do you call it a trolley instead of a train? (Or why do we call it a train instead of a trolley?). Or any of the other hundreds or thousands of minor differences in our language that make some things hard to understand when conversing.

Sure. Faucet/tap, pavement/road, sidewalk/pavement, color/colour, etc. etc., these are all understandable. But removing a word from a phrase so that the words mean the inverse of what you actually mean? That will never make sense to me.
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