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How many times do people have to tell you it's not free?

That's quite a plan!

Old Man Mel must be going senile -- I can do the same thing with my Razor.

I was wondering the same thing......

That's why they're called idiomatic expressions.

There is one I'm very familiar with: tube vs valve.

I must say that I'm on the side of the British on this one.

What plan do you have? Is this officially supported by it, or is it something else/

I'm an American who agrees with you on this. Saying "I could care less" to mean "I could not care less" has always struck me as a stupid. I've always thought of it as a matter of being blissfully unaware of the words coming out of one's mouth, not merely "idiomatic" usage.

Besides, it's not like adding the "not" confuses anyone, regardless of country of origin, so why not go with a form of the expression that's clear to everyone and makes logical sense?

Here's a link you might want to check out that might help with your wonderment:

http://dictionary.reference.com/help...guage/g09.html

And, you are right that I got the British and American usage reversed. I could(n't) care less.

Sigh!

I'm posting as the post come up. Most of those came up after I responded to other earlier posts. Ok?

Also, as I said, here in my Barnes & Nobel it seems to be different. Someone else pointed out that it could be because it isn't owned by Starbucks, so it could be Barnes & Nobel. Understand?

I'm on AT&T's basic $49/month plan.

I connect to the computer via bluetooth, and drag the MP3's to the phone's Audio folder. They then show up in the ring tone menu.

Alright, after much deliberation, I've decided I'm going to get one of the iPod Classic models (if you've lost track of my post, I'm one of those folks who wanted both a widescreen AND high capacity). Here's my thinking:

The current product line indicates that it's going to be quite some time before Apple introduces a widescreen iPod with a capacity north of 40 GB. At least two years.

I've already decided that I"m getting an iPhone once it gets 3G capability and my current T-Mobile contract is up (I don't trust the unlocking solutions to work permanently, and besides, I think visual voicemail is one of the iPhone's best features). By that time, the iPhone will almost surely be up to 16GB. So it'd be pretty damn stupid to get a 16 GB iPod Touch when I'm going to buy the same thing, only better, a year or so later.

Therefore, it makes perfect sense to go with an iPod Classic. I guess I can just stomach the small screen

Oh, and Mr. H, I'm an American and I agree with you 100 percent. In fact, this is the first time I've heard the argument that "could care less" is just an American expression. It's not. I couldn't care less what side of the Atlantic you live on — it's just bad grammar.

It seems that your eagerness has resulted in the price dropping for the second tier of buyers. Without you guys newer customers would also have to pay the same. So Thanks and respect.

The second tier of iPhone buyers will face the same situation when the price is dropped again.
Think of yourselves as being pioneers not being punished.

As for the ipodTouch, Im hoping it will connect to any wireless network, as I'd really like to check gmail etc from the cafe over the road from my office. (we cant have wireless for security reasons) So tired of lugging my laptop around. And it looks to be a while before iPhone gets to Tokyo.

The limitation of the Touch's size is no problem, Ive got almost a 1000GB of movies and music, theres no way I need all that on the go. I've been quite happy with the 8GB nano for a while, just need a few albums and room to record my german lessons. Then everything is dumped to external HD.

If some kind hackers would make a skype mod. or application I could throw away my mobile phone at last.

If some kind hackers would make a skype mod. or application I could throw away my mobile phone at last.

How would you communicate without a mic?

That's interesting, as other companies have prevented the phones from allowing that from what I've seen elsewhere.

Perhaps ATT is not as predatory as we may have thought.

Oh, jeeze. I hate to continue this, but idiomatic expressions are often "bad grammar".

By the way, I try hard not to use them myself, but it can creep in.

Of course, we use them here all the time, but mostly for the humor.

Yeah it's almost a Newton! I mean really, they add Safari, Calendar and Contacts but leave out some sort of note taking app? I don't get it. I guess you can put notes in your ToDos maybe?

It is pretty sweet though. Cheaper iPhone good too.

This may be Apple's test of the UMPC market, on a smaller physical scale.

Damn.


I just bought a 30gb video 2 months ago. As for the new version still no email or camera so I'll be content for what I have now.

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Peet's Coffee is the Reason Starbucks exists, at all. They learned from Peet himself. Starbucks founders then sold to others who made Starbucks what it is today.

Research about Starbucks and trendy coffee more deeply next time.

AS AN AMERICAN WE ALL DO NOT SAY, "I COULD CARE LESS." It's retarded, but so is the oxymoron of Common Sense--neither of which is true. Uncommon Sense is a more appropriate term and Sir Thomas Pain[e] knew this when he wrote that fantastic work.

I agree, Steve is a big aesthetics-head. But I think battery life also played a role.

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Incredible! The perfect replacement for Palm but it has no Bluetooth! So friends can´t send over photos or vCards from their cell-phones and I can´t share my stuff with them. I can´t use Address Book to dial from - possible with Palm for ages. iPod touch could have been the perfect solution for 1. all of us outside USA that will have to wait for iPhone until who knows when 2. all of us who always thought having a really small cellphone combined with a really competent handheld device is the best solution (I don´t want to bring a big smartphone when I go out to dance, as one example).
And - why no e-mail? Someone wrote that with Safari web-based mail could be used. Yes, but how practical is that? With Mail you download when you are near a Wi-Fi and then read it anywhere, anytime. So much easier and faster.
To small extras and iPod touch would have been perfect. I would have placed an order straight away, but now I don´t know.

Many have been saying the iPod touch has a feature set that's nearly identical to the iPhone's, and that's not entirely the case.

Here's a list off the top of my head of things the iPhone has that the iPod touch doesn't. Feel free to add anything I've missed...

Phone App
SMS
Camera
Stocks App
Google Maps
Weather App
Email
Bluetooth
External Speaker

Included Accessories:
Dock
USB Power Adapter

Two things lead me to believe that the iPod nano, iPod classic, and iPod touch all support video out. They all have the following information listed in the connectivity section of their tech specs, "USB through dock connector; component and composite video through dock connector (with AV cables or kit, sold separately); audio through headphone jack" listed here, http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/specs.html

Also, Apple lists their AV cable as an available accessory for these iPod models.

What I am trying to figure out is if I can use my iTalk pro with the new iPod touch. I can't figure out if it will record. Please let me know if you find out if the iPod touch will record.

No, the iPod touch does not have a buried headset port. At least not according these two sources, http://iphone.macworld.com/2007/09/i...sed_head_1.php

and

http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/360/

The iPhone's dock has got a grey mesh in the background, while the iPod Touch's dock is a shiny black floor

me too! I also think that the 28th september availability for US compared to 3 days in Europe means at IFA we will see 8gb and 16gb iphones.

who's saying 3 days in europe? over here it'll be the 28th of september as well. at least according to apples german site.

I was both those people!

I've checked italy and england apple online stores this morning around 9 and it was 3 days.
However I went back now and saw that they changed the day, its now 28th of september all over Europe.

That used to be possible here in canada, now it's not. We get stuck with the ringtone price bs now. Had an older SE phone bluetooth dragging galore, new SE phone, it tell me that media cannot be used as a ringtone.

The same happened with my gf going from SE to Moto.

Ringtones are not free on new model cellphones in north america, stop trying to insist they are.

I often bemused by the fact that any Anglo/American forum often descends into this sort of banter. Especially as this is meant to be one discussing Apple products, there seems to be a love/hate relationship between the Americans and British, we support each others ill-conceived foreign policy initiatives but then bicker over whether it's spelt programme or program, get over it!

What you describe requires both an ATV and a TV. The TV is in a different room to the Hi-Fi so there would be no screen to look at. I don't see the point of the ATV and doubt I will ever get one.

It's a good time to be an apple fan.

I've got no money, so I'm not getting any of these products, but the iPod touch is a step in the right direction. Anyone know- is the screen optical quality glass like the iPhone?

By the time I can afford a new computer, the iPod touch will have all of the missing features (email, chat, etc...) and have a much larger capacity. Plus it'll be cheaper, I'm sure. Basically it will be a the perfect tablet if the screen were upped to 5 inches; if it had mail, it could integrate with Leopard's new mail reminders thing, and that'd be great for getting down quick notes and stuff.

I think the iPod touch is sort of a gamble. Not everyone will get one. I think the iPod classic, however, is a very solid, competitive product, and it certainly blows the zune out of the water with its new capacity.

Ze nano is ze phatty!!!

There was a way of recording brief snippets on the old iPods... or longer stretches. How is that done?

I mean... if you had an iphone headphones+mic (or similar).... could that be used to provide skype via iPot over wifi? (though... I'm not sure that is much use).

Yes, I read the same, I'm most pleased. In fact, that's something the iPod touch does that the iPhone doesn't.

On a related note - while the old iPod used to play video to the TV, it didn't present any kind of TV interface to users. I wonder if the new iPods provide a frontrow interface when connected to your TV??

People said the same sort of things about the original iPods. No tuner! No voice recorder! It'll never sell!

Apple has the ability to pick the minimum core feature set that the vast majority of people will be satisfied with - and wrap it in a great UI. People are now used to the iPod interface, and videos on the iPod. Apple has taken one more step: How about some Wi-fi with that?

In a year or six months perhaps they'll add Bluetooth. Then as component prices come down and battery power goes up, they'll add wireless USB.

- Jasen.

Doubtful. I've been around the block a few times on devices like this, and quality development communities never sustain themselves around closed systems like this. An OS update and Poof! all your development efforts could be wasted. Sure, a few hackers will do some very nice things with this device, BUT without Apple's blessing your user community will be small and the motivation won't be there.

Bah! This has little to do with AT&T. A decent security model can sandbox most any app, as long as the user takes minimal discretion in what to install. If OS X isn't that secure/stable, we shouldn't be using it.

What I'm guessing is more likely is that Jobs sees $$$ in licensing access to developers, much like they have done with games on the other iPods and other video game console companies do. Personally I expect this will be a bad approach for the iPhone/iPod touch, and eventually Apple will have to make an SDK available. "Killer apps" for PDA-like devices have typically come from the ground up, a small developer sees a need and writes the app him/herself. Developers like that would never get an audience with Apple to have a shot at the license (plus they wouldn't have the up-front capital). Apps that come from the big software houses will be re-hashes of uninnovative stuff. Apple would be better off making an SDK available and then charging for premiere spots on their downloads site to vendors.

Of course, my guess at Apple's intentions could be wrong. Apple may be rushing along at finishing up their public SDK, cleaning up code in the iPhone/iPod touch to safely handle 3rd party apps, and this will all show up in Xcode 3 when Leopard is released.

Apple turns a blind eye because there is currently little profit to be lost in most of the hacking/development efforts. They've already sold you the device, maybe other hackers will buy one too. If you break it in the process, they could refuse warranty coverage. How much would they sue you for anyhow?

I think it sucks that they don't recalculate the prices here in Belgium! It's $399 in the US for a 16gb model, and 399 here for the same one. If I recalculate with the latest currencies, I get 292 as result!
I think I'm going to have it sent to me by a US friend..

Does anyone know if it would be possible to ad iPhone widgets such as notes, games, etc. to the iPod touch?

With appropriate firmware, it was possible to use the headphone jack in reverse as a microphone input to record audio on older (pre 5G) iPods.

With the 5G iPod, the dock connector has dedicated line-in pins (assuming you have an accessory attached to the connector which makes use of the correct pins, and assuming you have software on the iPod capable of using it).

So it's not inconceivable that microphone inputs might be possible (and maybe not all that hard to do) for the iPod Touch too. Add to that a Skype application, and pervasive "free" WiFi (which is not entirely unheard of some urban or collegiate settings) and you've got all the communication capability you could want.

Apple doesn't charge you to use WiFi, so it'd depend on your WiFi provider (most campuses I've been around it's free to students/faculty/staff).

If it'd work depends on how your campus authorizes/authenticates wireless. It certainly won't work where I'm at, but I suspect this place is the exception and not typical. If you just log in over a standard web page, or if your campus validates on your device's hardware Internet address, then it should work fine. If your campus requires some kind of 3rd party software to be installed, then it is unlikely to work.