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WTF Jobs?!?!?

soooo pissed off that i spent an extra $200 on my phone than i needed to.
fastest selling launch in history? and fastest to piss off the early adopters.

Oh, come on. If you didn't see this as a probability or at least a possibility, then you don't deserve that $200 anyway...
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Capacity really is my issue and I'm upset that Apple continues to not respond to a segment of the iPod user community that keeps clamoring for larger capacity.. Otherwise I adore iPods. But I have a large music collection and I use my iPod in a number of situations (underground radio shows, club performances, etc.) where having access to my entire collection is preferable.

What do you mean by 160GB classic?

The Classic is the new name for the old style full size iPods (although they updated them with new shells and software). The capacities are 80GB and 160GB for $249 and $349...
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What do you mean by 160GB classic?



Perhaps you weren't paying attention - but just before SJ announced the iPod Touch he announced the iPod Classic
- with 160GB of storage
- it seems to be exactly what you're after
- I'd advise checking out the Apple web-site when it's been updated

For me I think Apple just about nailed it on the head this time
- perhaps it would have been good to have a HDD iPod Touch option, but hey, you can't everything....
post #44 of 312
I think the missed opportunity here is giant. (Unless the functionality is there for Safari...)
Imagine that whenever you go to a Starbucks you'd have access to the Wi-Fi for free not only for iTunes, but for Mail and Safari as well. They would have been instantly offering free FASTER THAN EDGE connectivity for all iPhone users at over 7000 locations throughout the country. I know that Starbucks is teamed up with T-Mobile but this could have been really big.
post #45 of 312
It's absolutely hilarious that Apple has gotten Wi-Fi into the iPod before Palm has gotten it into the Treo.
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post #46 of 312
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I love how rude people are when confronted with frustration that someone might have. Instead of saying: Did you hear about x? or did you think about y? Then just launch full on into "shut up" or "get out" -- when the frustration wasn't even originally directed at them.

I just found out about the Classics. That model was buried underneath all the other iPod announcements.

Thanks for the person who told me I should check it out.

I'm less frustrated by Apple now.

Jesus christ. Apple introduced a slew of new iPods today, anyone that thought the new touch model was all that had happened (or that the new, high capacity "classic" was somehow "buried") just wasn't paying any attention at all.

So when you rush onto the internet to denounce Apple for being fools and declare that you're jumping ship, yeah, you pretty much deserve to be ruthlessly slagged.
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post #47 of 312
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I love how rude people are when confronted with frustration that someone might have. Instead of saying: Did you hear about x? or did you think about y? Then just launch full on into "shut up" or "get out" -- when the frustration wasn't even originally directed at them.

I just found out about the Classics. That model was buried underneath all the other iPod announcements.

Thanks for the person who told me I should check it out.

I'm less frustrated by Apple now.

I don't mean to offend, but I think people were just reacting to a very very angry post that was obviously uninformed. If you said "wow, I'm disappointed that they didn't increase the largest ipod more than 80GB" I'm sure the response would have been much more helpful.

But when you launch into a multi-paragraph comment about how basically this announcement sucked because they didn't give you what you wanted, you will get a response in kind.
post #48 of 312
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Originally Posted by joe40 View Post

I think the missed opportunity here is giant. (Unless the functionality is there for Safari...)
Imagine that whenever you go to a Starbucks you'd have access to the Wi-Fi for free not only for iTunes, but for Mail and Safari as well. They would have been instantly offering free FASTER THAN EDGE connectivity for all iPhone users at over 7000 locations throughout the country. I know that Starbucks is teamed up with T-Mobile but this could have been really big.

Yes, I was thinking that too - it would make the tie-up make a lot more sense, and encourage loads of iPhone & iPod touch users to go into Starbucks - or at least hang-round near the entrance...

They'll probably add it at some point in the future, once they've seen how this tie-up goes...
post #49 of 312
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Originally Posted by bg_nyc View Post

Lack of chat is ridiculous... but cant you access your mail accounts via safari? just log into yahoo or hotmail or whatever you use.
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Yea but no I'm away from my desk at work a lot and would like to receive email and reply to it as it comes in. I don't want to have to log in via the web over and over to see if I have anything new.
post #50 of 312
I'm another person who needs capacity as my present 20GB 2G iPod is full and I probably have another 10GB of music.

As soon as Job started talking about the iPod Classic, I had a sinking feeling about the Touch iPod, which proved correct.

I had planned on buying the Touch iPod if it met my needs. Right now I have the choice of getting a Classic, which isn't a terribly exciting alternative, go for cool with a Touch rather the funcionality or keep soldiering on with the 2G until it dies. By that time 32GB flash memory might be afforable.

Sorry Apple, you missed a sale.
post #51 of 312
One thing I'd really like to have seen on this is Bluetooth and the ability to use one's actual phone as a Bluetooth modem, preferably through Sprint, as I do now with my N800. That'd be true mobile broadband and piss off AT&T mightily. Right now I'm trying to figure out if I can use the N800 as a DHCP server to bridge between its Bluetooth tethering to my phone and it's wifi.
post #52 of 312
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

Well don't let the door... on, wait. I forgot. There is a 100gb-120gb on the horizon. Announced today, in fact. Called the iPod classic, it maxes out at 160gb.

So no for slamming you on the ass on the way out then, is there? You can have your cake and eat, not caring, as you dont, about interfaces you can remain a happy member of the iPod family.

I assume you did not know this, and I guess they kept the classic range for that very reason: peopel like you.


Thanks and a happy member I'll remain.
post #53 of 312
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Originally Posted by mydo View Post

Yea but no I'm away from my desk at work a lot and would like to receive email and reply to it as it comes in. I don't want to have to log in via the web over and over to see if I have anything new.

Then what you need is a smart phone, not an iPod
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post #54 of 312
I don't think they missed the mark.

I personally see the ipod touch as new product in a new segmant. And I don't think this product/segmant has really worked itself out yet. 16 gigs at that price is not going to set the world on fire but it should gain enough sales to help push the market down and allow for better offerings later. The ipod touch is effectavly a placeholder until the manufacturing side a catch up in technology and affordabilty. So with that in mind I think Apple may be slightly ahead of the game.

I don't think they could offer free wifi at Starbucks. Not since they are t-mobile hotspots. With Apple in bed with At&t. But I agree, it would have been very cool. This does open up a new market for Apple to work there way in airports and such.
post #55 of 312
The iPod touch's design is how the iPhone's design should've been. I am well looking fwd to the next iPhone.

Again, wow, well done Ive.
post #56 of 312
Man, I am really really torn on this one. I wanted only two things: widescreen and 80GB. Didn't care about Wi-Fi at all.

Unfortunately, nothing released today meets both requirements. But all of them are so much better than my aging 40GB 4th Gen that it's going to be hard to hold off for yet another year.

I know that 32GB or more of NAND flash would be insanely expensive. But couldn't they have just slapped an old fashioned hard drive on the iPod Touch? If battery life would be the issue there, I'd be fine with it not having Wi-Fi. That's just not a priority for me.
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post #57 of 312
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Jesus christ. Apple introduced a slew of new iPods today, anyone that thought the new touch model was all that had happened (or that the new, high capacity "classic" was somehow "buried") just wasn't paying any attention at all.

So when you rush onto the internet to denounce Apple for being fools and declare that you're jumping ship, yeah, you pretty much deserve to be ruthlessly slagged.

Thanks and should I chuck my macpro tower out the window? or my macbook pro? Apple scored there. Or is criticism allowed at all on AppleInsider's site.

I got my info from engadget as nothing was posted at apple.com. The classic model announcement was buried down at the bottom. Had Apple not introduced a higher capacity iPod that would have been a stupid decision.

I stand corrected. They did. And I am happy.

But STFU's are never necessary. I certainly didn't direct one against anyone here. And ruthless slagging sounds disproportionate to just saying apology accepted. Doesn't it?
post #58 of 312
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Originally Posted by m00nchild View Post

I'm jumping to the competition.

Cheers, Apple. You lost me on this one.

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post #59 of 312
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey View Post

Oh, come on. If you didn't see this as a probability or at least a possibility, then you don't deserve that $200 anyway...

i expected this just before Christmas. it's been 66 days.
at&t must have pressured Jobs to do this.

it's a SERIOUS insult to fans and early adopters to drop the price that much and that fast. i will NEVER be a day 1 adopter again. i'm going to sit it out and make sure all the bugs have been taken care of, and wait for a price drop or spec boost.

do you think the iPod touch will be $199 and $259 on november 1st? NO.
do you think the new Nano will be $99 and $129 on november 1st? NO.
do you think the new iMac will be $790 - $1199 on november 1st? NO.
post #60 of 312
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Originally Posted by tetzel1517 View Post

Man, I am really really torn on this one. I wanted only two things: widescreen and 80GB. Didn't care about Wi-Fi at all.

Unfortunately, nothing released today meets both requirements. But all of them are so much better than my aging 40GB 4th Gen that it's going to be hard to hold off for yet another year.

I know that 32GB or more of NAND flash would be insanely expensive. But couldn't they have just slapped an old fashioned hard drive on the iPod Touch? If battery life would be the issue there, I'd be fine with it not having Wi-Fi. That's just not a priority for me.

Someone please correct me if Im wrong... But I wonder about the logistics of putting a HD right behind a multi touch screen. I wonder how the heat would affect it. I don't think it would work and if it did probally not for very long.

my 2 cents
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Originally Posted by bg_nyc View Post

Lack of chat is ridiculous... but cant you access your mail accounts via safari? just log into yahoo or hotmail or whatever you use.

I was pissed at first, but then i realized that when i want to get online, i bring my powerbook. The touch only appeals to me due to the larger screen. If I can get a large, vivid screen and 160GB storage, its all good! But instead, they left the screen the same. That what annoys me.

Now, since i cant get big storage with a big screen, my only option is to wait another year, build more playlsits, and keep using my 80GB 5G.

Yeah, it's really odd that the new iPod Classic that is the obvious choice if you want to store and watch a lot of movies and pictures on your iPod will only play movies on a tiny screen. Strange strategy..
I guess I could use Yahoo mail and have it check my regular pop mail.. How is the yahoo mail interface on "iPhod"? But I like the idea of having my mailbox in my pocket, regardless of coverage. And Apple's Mail app for the iPhod looks really great. I mean, what's the address book for in a pocket device if it isn't for mailing people? I also miss notes...
but I guess things will be better once Apple starts selling or giving away software, now that the platform is finally here.
post #62 of 312
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

I tell you what. You develop NAND Memory that makes 32Gig chipsets affordable and you'll get your wish.

Actually, they're close. The new iPod touch likely uses the new Samsung NAND that's more efficient than the older NANDs used in the older Nanos...which resulted in $600 32GB SSDs (OEM pricing).

Once production increases, the 32GB SSDs should drop in price quite a bit especially since Toshiba is ramping or already at full production with their own version.
post #63 of 312
How can all of you be pissed about this? Sweet products, cheaper prices, whats not to love? So you spent more than you had to on your iphone? You still have one right? Apple is just taking it to every other tech company out there and I'm happy about it.
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You know, I think he's right. I'm an AAPL shareholder and I still think it's not cool to do that to early adopters--2 months after an ultra-hyped product to just discount 33%? It's disconcerting, but I think they reassessed their strategy after more data came in, and it's the right thing to do, and there's no easy solution to not piss off the early adopters (who will be rightfully pissed).

One thing that people here are obviously not following is that Flash prices have dropped like a stone the past month, contrary to expectations (including mine). I'm sure this has something to do with it.

Apple might also have decided to share some of that loot it's getting from ATT for each sale.
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Originally Posted by Frank777 View Post

It's absolutely hilarious that Apple has gotten Wi-Fi into the iPod before Palm has gotten it into the Treo.

For most stuff, the Palm TX does a pretty good job... Same resolution as the iPhone/iPod touch, WiFi (although only b) and a massive software selection including a media player that'll handle divx movies... The only reason I was interested in the touch was for Safari - the palm browsers are still a little so-so... The TX even has VOIP clients which does a pretty good job of selling it for me.

If the touch had been 80GB then I would have seriously considered one, but I think I'll go for a classic for the capacity to replace my Rockboxed temperamental 4G...
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You know, I think he's right. I'm an AAPL shareholder and I still think it's not cool to do that to early adopters--2 months after an ultra-hyped product to just discount 33%? It's disconcerting, but I think they reassessed their strategy after more data came in, and it's the right thing to do, and there's no easy solution to not piss off the early adopters (who will be rightfully pissed).

More like they shipped with the 1GB Samsung NANDs and now are moving to the new 2GB Samsung NANDs and the new 8GB and 16GB models are going through the FCC right now. The 8GB model now shown uses the old NAND and gets a quiet transition as stocks run out.

Can you imagine the crying if they didn't do the price drop? People would be complaining that the new iPod touch comes with more space than the iPhone...which it does but not for too long I wouldn't think.

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post #67 of 312
Let's look at it this way.
You now have been given several great new options...
a new touch screen ipod or a new 160 gb hard drive ipod.

All this while the Zune has turned even browner today
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do you think the iPod touch will be $199 and $259 on november 1st? NO.
do you think the new Nano will be $99 and $129 on november 1st? NO.
do you think the new iMac will be $790 - $1199 on november 1st? NO.

Are any of those products brand new devices is a brand new category for apple? NO.

The situations simply aren't that analagous.

I guess you could make the argument that the iPod Touch is a new device, but really that's a child of the iPhone.
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post #69 of 312
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Originally Posted by m00nchild View Post

I love how rude people are when confronted with frustration that someone might have. Instead of saying: Did you hear about x? or did you think about y? Then just launch full on into "shut up" or "get out" -- when the frustration wasn't even originally directed at them.

I just found out about the Classics. That model was buried underneath all the other iPod announcements.

Thanks for the person who told me I should check it out.

I'm less frustrated by Apple now.

We were being a bit rude, because you didn't bother to find out what came out before ranting.

The Classic wasn't "buried".
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

One thing that people here are obviously not following is that Flash prices have dropped like a stone the past month, contrary to expectations (including mine). I'm sure this has something to do with it.

Well...I would guess that supplies on the new NAND will be very constrained (and pricey for anyone not Apple) for a while...whether the older NAND frees up a bit depends on whether the new nano uses them or not. Something we'll find out when someone opens theirs up...
post #71 of 312
Hmm, ipod touch or iphone. Im thinking ipod touch and that someone will make a mail app, and i can find some way for iChat.
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Big question on the starbucks deal:

Free open wireless, or only to access the apple music store?
If the answer is yes, then this is sort of an acceptable trade-off.

Either way, the implementation of "adding a starbucks icon" to your device kinda blows!
It brings up even more potentially disturbing stuff about the software based UI of the iphone and ipod touch.

Apple makes whatever icons pop up onto you phone/ipod. Anybody else see strong possibilities for abuse of this "feature"?

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post #73 of 312
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Originally Posted by desarc View Post

there is a difference between a YEAR and two MONTHS.
my tv was 2200 at christmas last year. it's 1800 now. that's a 19% drop in 9 months.
the iPhone just dropped 33% in 2 months. that's f'ing insulting.

If someone thinks it's worth it at the higher price, then it's worth it.

If that price goes down suddenly, then it was still worth it.

If they bought it so early to be the first kid on the block with it, then tough!

It figured that Apple would drop the price before the holiday. I didn't think it would drop that much.

But, as I said in another post, Flash has dropped this month more than was expected.
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Originally Posted by macornot View Post

Big question on the starbucks deal:

Free open wireless, or only to access the apple music store?
If the answer is yes, then this is sort of an acceptable trade-off.

Either way, the implementation of "adding a starbucks icon" to your device kinda blows!
It brings up even more potentially disturbing stuff about the software based UI of the iphone and ipod touch.

Apple makes whatever icons pop up onto you phone/ipod. Anybody else see strong possibilities for abuse of this "feature"?

-macornot

It sounds like it'll only appear in the iTunes store app so that sounds acceptable... If it comes up on the main screen then that's an issue.
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Does the Touch have the same "buried" headset port like the iPhone? Anyone know?
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i expected this just before Christmas. it's been 66 days.
at&t must have pressured Jobs to do this.

it's a SERIOUS insult to fans and early adopters to drop the price that much and that fast. i will NEVER be a day 1 adopter again. i'm going to sit it out and make sure all the bugs have been taken care of, and wait for a price drop or spec boost.

do you think the iPod touch will be $199 and $259 on november 1st? NO.
do you think the new Nano will be $99 and $129 on november 1st? NO.
do you think the new iMac will be $790 - $1199 on november 1st? NO.

Yeah, but they didn't come out with the huge hype (what else has) or with the insanely high price point.

The way I see it, Apple sorta had to do this. Imagine if they had started with a lower price point. There may have been mayham and long waiting lists and long complaints. Instead they sold very well and they had reviews that said "it is expensive, but worth it." Still, eventually the price had to come down to match the sales figures they want in the long term.
If they dropped the prices a little every month, that would have worked price wise, but it would have created more confusion for buyers--they would always wonder if waiting would get them a better price. The "shock" method of lowering prices is a shame for recent purchacers, but it reassures the market that prices will be stable at the new level for some time to come.

I'm not saying it does't hurt. And I will agree that I was surprised by the size of the drop. But this is the way of things these days...
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post #77 of 312
As apple CEO Mr. Jobs was presenting new i-pod in SF, I was trying to find his new i-pod at Apple website.

I found this blunder about new hot product I-pod touch where it was listed as U2-ipod.

http://picasaweb.google.com/divine.f...92381067798866
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Originally Posted by macornot View Post

Big question on the starbucks deal:

Free open wireless, or only to access the apple music store?
If the answer is yes, then this is sort of an acceptable trade-off.

-macornot

That is a good question. I didn't see the details on that...
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Originally Posted by samurai1999 View Post

Yes, I was thinking that too - it would make the tie-up make a lot more sense, and encourage loads of iPhone & iPod touch users to go into Starbucks - or at least hang-round near the entrance...

They'll probably add it at some point in the future, once they've seen how this tie-up goes...

I always thought that WiFi at Starbucks was free, that you had to log in only. You can access the net just as anywhere else.

I looks to me that the difference now is that you don't have to log in if you have iTunes, and you can buy songs through them, as well as from Apple, possibly with one billing from iTunes.

Has anyone here actually used WiFi at Starbucks, or is everyone just saying what they THINK to be true?
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I always thought that WiFi at Starbucks was free, that you had to log in only. You can access the net just as anywhere else.

I looks to me that the difference now is that you don't have to log in if you have iTunes, and you can buy songs through them, as well as from Apple, possibly with one billing from iTunes.

Has anyone here actually used WiFi at Starbucks, or is everyone just saying what they THINK to be true?

Starbucks use a t-mobile hotspot provided by t-mobile. You have to pay for it. You can purchase a day pass or a monthly pass.

I understand this setup to be that you can get into the itunes wifi store for free at Starbucks and see the music that is playing at starbucks and purchase. I would highly doubt they allow full web access as t-mobile and att kinda compete.
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