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Originally Posted by onceuponamac View Post

Riiiiggghhhttt..... (not)

Good response.

You still haven't provided any evidence.

I suppose you won't even try, right?
post #162 of 311
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Well in any event its over now so we can move back to bitching about the lack of a mid range midtower...LOL


I know. Where is that thing? Dammit Steve!

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post #163 of 311
The whining about whining (in some cases about whining) on this thread is hilarious.

To people who think Apple should have acted proactively to avoid whining or "do the right thing" or whatever: No. Do it proactively and they're admitting that they got pricing wrong the first time and willingly screwed their customers. Doing it this way makes it a very generous but unnecessary gift from the nicest big company in the world. "Sorry, we screwed you but we're going to offer you $100 less than you deserve" becomes "We didn't screw you, we owe you nothing but we're going to give you $100 anyways because we love you and want you to buy more of our beautiful products."

EDIT: To avoid the inevitable, "but it was the wrong thing to do, they did screw us, etc." comments, you're also wrong about that. Apple did not screw you. You bought an iPhone for $600. You thought it was worth it at the time. You still have a working iPhone. Apple has every right to to lower the price, especially to stay competitive in the tricky phone market. Therefore, they are treating this development the way it should be treated. Not as an admission of guilt but as a nice thing they do not because they have to, but because they're Apple. Enjoy your iPhone.
post #164 of 311
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Originally Posted by onceuponamac View Post

I'd call it a debate. Interesting to me - I thought i was being supportive of those that were upset - apparently, I have been being a devils advocate. I'm still surprised by the strong views expressed by three or four of you that upon the price drop there was little (or I guess your comments mean you think there is NO) basis for a claim - I disagree. Unfortunately, given today's open letter, we'll probably never know for sure - because as you saw on these boards, many were satisfied with the $100 olive branch. I will be excited to see the terms of the credit.

Not three or four of us, almost all of us.

It's three or four of you here that's been constantly complaining.
post #165 of 311
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Originally Posted by rrightm View Post

You are nobody's advocate, devil or otherwise. The problem is that throughout the course of the day, you have convinced yourself more and more of your own b.s. Yes, I have told you before...there is NO basis for the claim(s) you have described (on this thread and the earlier one). Get over it.

As for "we'll never know for sure...," since you are such a big believer in your claim, file it. Then, you'll know, for sure...that you were wrong. And Apple will spank you with a bill for their attorneys' fees.

If you are in law school, as some others have joked, drop out. You are wasting your money. You will need it, since $200 is such a big deal.

You need more coffee - or something. We'll always disagree (apparently) on the validity of the ability to make a claim - I don't need to make a claim against Apple or ATT to know the strength of my position, I have much experience to know it.
post #166 of 311
All the people moaning on this site are nothing but pathetic, hypocritical, greedy, whining, liars. Reading the comments on this issue has sometimes made me laugh and sometimes made me sick with embarrassment to be a mac owner.

I have always thought the iPhone was not a great phone and even at $399 i still not not think it is, but you lot loved it!! you came on this forum day after day telling everything how fantastic it was, how it was the best phone in the world, how it changes the whole fabric of society etc.. If anyone has even dared suggest it was not worth $599 then you would have shouted them down so quick, you all thought it was well worth the $599. But because someone else can buy it for $399 your phone was suddenly not worth $599??? You are either stupid or you are liars, which one?

So another thing that is often to be found on this site is the people who take great delight in the financial status at Apple, be it the share price or the amount of profit Apple has made. Some of you are actually investors and have a real interest in the Apple share price, others have a weird love interest with the makes of your laptop and even though you do not gain financially yourself you still masturbate to every extra percent that Apple is worth.

Bur now Apple have agreed to take a hit and rebate $100 to you all, i am unsure how much this is worth in real dollar value, Apple make 17% Profit from all their business, $100 must make up the majority of the profit from iPhone but of course they get another sale out of it so it is hard, but $50 million may not be off the mark? Anyway the point is this comes of Apples bottom line!! this affects the share price and this affects Steve Jobs pension, what happened to your love and desire for all things Apple?? How quickly you greedy little bastards turn!!

Make up your minds people, what do you want? Do you want to come on this forum and argue with me that your iPhone is wonderful and worth every penny, that your are sexually aroused by Apples bottom line and high gross margins? Or do you want to come back down to earth with a bump and realise that Apple is just another manufacturer of Far East assembled electronics whos biggest goal is to make as much money as possible and who does not really give a crap about you - unless of course they are in danger of getting bad publicity.

I would like to think that this experience will be a turning point for some of you, but i am 100% sure you will all be back in a few weeks with a copy of Leopard in one hand and a box of tissues in the other!!
post #167 of 311
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Originally Posted by onceuponamac View Post

You need more coffee - or something. We'll always disagree (apparently) on the validity of the ability to make a claim - I don't need to make a claim against Apple or ATT to know the strength of my position, I have much experience to know it.

You obviously don't, or you wouldn't be making the claims in the first place.

You still haven't supported them.
post #168 of 311
You couldn't express my thoughts more clearly.

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post #169 of 311
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Originally Posted by onceuponamac View Post

You need more coffee - or something. We'll always disagree (apparently) on the validity of the ability to make a claim - I don't need to make a claim against Apple or ATT to know the strength of my position, I have much experience to know it.


Yes, many delusional people convince themselves of how right their "position" or "belief" might be. Doesn't mean that it is correct. Your position would need to pop some Viagra in order to stand straight. But, go on lathering yourself up...I'll go grab "more coffee-or something."
post #170 of 311
Thank God that's over. I thought I had tinnitus for a while there.
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post #171 of 311
Thanks Steve for this unnecessary but nice gesture!

Thanks all whiners for whining, it was great fun to read all those pathetic posts... but it worked your way.

Maybe Steve was watching the forums as soon as he made the announcement of the price drop and laughed his head of on all the comments.... and just after it reached the main press (now EVERYBODY knows about the price cut) .. he announces the $100 refund... creating and buying advertisement for the new iPhone price would have been much more expensive and less effective.

in other words GREAT PR!
post #172 of 311
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Originally Posted by murphyweb View Post

All the people moaning on this site are nothing but pathetic, hypocritical, greedy, whining, liars. Reading the comments on this issue has sometimes made me laugh and sometimes made me sick with embarrassment to be a mac owner.

I have always thought the iPhone was not a great phone and even at $399 i still not not think it is, but you lot loved it!! you came on this forum day after day telling everything how fantastic it was, how it was the best phone in the world, how it changes the whole fabric of society etc.. If anyone has even dared suggest it was not worth $599 then you would have shouted them down so quick, you all thought it was well worth the $599. But because someone else can buy it for $399 your phone was suddenly not worth $599??? You are either stupid or you are liars, which one?

So another thing that is often to be found on this site is the people who take great delight in the financial status at Apple, be it the share price or the amount of profit Apple has made. Some of you are actually investors and have a real interest in the Apple share price, others have a weird love interest with the makes of your laptop and even though you do not gain financially yourself you still masturbate to every extra percent that Apple is worth.

Bur now Apple have agreed to take a hit and rebate $100 to you all, i am unsure how much this is worth in real dollar value, Apple make 17% Profit from all their business, $100 must make up the majority of the profit from iPhone but of course they get another sale out of it so it is hard, but $50 million may not be off the mark? Anyway the point is this comes of Apples bottom line!! this affects the share price and this affects Steve Jobs pension, what happened to your love and desire for all things Apple?? How quickly you greedy little bastards turn!!

Make up your minds people, what do you want? Do you want to come on this forum and argue with me that your iPhone is wonderful and worth every penny, that your are sexually aroused by Apples bottom line and high gross margins? Or do you want to come back down to earth with a bump and realise that Apple is just another manufacturer of Far East assembled electronics whos biggest goal is to make as much money as possible and who does not really give a crap about you - unless of course they are in danger of getting bad publicity.

I would like to think that this experience will be a turning point for some of you, but i am 100% sure you will all be back in a few weeks with a copy of Leopard in one hand and a box of tissues in the other!!

Second, third or fourth that one! Accurate post murph.
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<speculation mode>
Did anyone notice how some elements (like the dock) in the iTouch look a lot like the new leopard o.s.? Plus it's going to be out in stores on the 28th...? On the date apple will release their next os?
</speculation mode>
post #175 of 311
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Originally Posted by potterhead4 View Post

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To people who think Apple should have acted proactively to avoid whining or "do the right thing" or whatever: No. Do it proactively and they're admitting that they got pricing wrong the first time and willingly screwed their customers. Doing it this way makes it a very generous but unnecessary gift from the nicest big company in the world. "Sorry, we screwed you but we're going to offer you $100 less than you deserve" becomes "We didn't screw you, we owe you nothing but we're going to give you $100 anyways because we love you and want you to buy more of our beautiful products."


Definitely the best argument I've read on this point. And no overt personal attacks involved either. Kudos to you.

Yeah, I think you do have a point. While it would've been nice if Apple had done the credit right out of the starting gate, that then would've opened them up to a "It should be a $200 credit! Or cash!" type backlash.

Basically, it was a negotiation, and Apple came in stronger by starting at zero.

The $100 credit will cost them maybe $75 a head in real terms, and totally knocks the stuffing out of the complainer crowd... even though it comes nowhere near the actual $200 amount that they were originally complaining about.

Very sound strategically by Steve.

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post #176 of 311
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Definitely the best argument I've read on this point. And no overt personal attacks involved either. Kudos to you.

Yeah, I think you do have a point. While it would've been nice if Apple had done the credit right out of the starting gate, that then would've opened them up to a "It should be a $200 credit! Or cash!" type backlash.

Basically, it was a negotiation, and Apple came in stronger by starting at zero.

The $100 credit will cost them maybe $75 a head in real terms, and totally knocks the stuffing out of the complainer crowd... even though it comes nowhere near the actual $200 amount that they were originally complaining about.

Very sound strategically by Steve.

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I agree with that as well.
post #177 of 311
A few random thoughts:

1) Apple has made a necessity out of a virtue. Ex-post classy, but only after the media gives them grief for "backlash." Could have been handled better ex-ante.

2) I believe that the drastic price reduction really spooked the markets. It sent all sorts of confusing signals about iPhone demand going forward. Moreover, the likely reduction in per-unit margins implied lower aggregate earnings despite likely increases in quantity sold. The stock fell dramatically.

3) Many sane, non-whiny, early iPhone buyers realize that Apple didn't need to do diddly-squat. But they are really quite pleased with this gesture.

4) The signaling benefits of this move -- from a high-end-customer retention standpoint, and giving a green light to those who might have been given pause about plonking $$$ down for new product introductions by Apple in the future -- could well be hugely positive tomorrow. Predictions are cheap, but I will venture one anyway: Apple gains tomorrow.

5) Don't forget that early buyers also included the Mossbergs and Pogues of the world, and dozens - if not hundreds - of similar influencers. Buying back their goodwill could be both necessary, and priceless.

6) In the USA Today interview I read earlier today, I recall SJ said something along the lines of (I am paraphrasing, and drawing upon my recollection) how they had known they would do this price cut months ago -- now, that sounds really like he said "hey, let's rip-off some early buyers" when, I am sure, that is not what was intended or planned. I think today's "refund" could be a $100 million cover-your-legal-ass move on Apple's part because of SJ's misspeech.

7) I think that the early buyers who stuck their necks out and complained took their lumps in the form of major abuse in the last 24 hours in forums like these, that's for sure. But I am afraid that now the shoe is on the other foot. Those of you who were busy name-calling yesterday ("whiners," "bitches," patsies," "crybabies," etc. etc...... I could go on with the epithets) need to now swallow hard, and move on, like mature adults.

(I cannot substantiate Point #6 -- I swear I read it earlier today somewhere, but now I can't find the link for it; so I am rescinding that point. But I want to leave it there, grey-ed out, so that, if someone else saw it they could perhaps point to that link. If that was a mistake on my part, I apologize in advance.)
post #178 of 311
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

An article from MacWorld today:

http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/09...veyu/index.php

'strapped for cash' college students are gonna pay $60/mnth for a cell phone? I doubt it, but priveledged college students might.
post #179 of 311
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I agree with that as well.

why do you always have 10,330 posts - shouldn't the number be changing each time?
post #180 of 311
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

7) I think that the early buyers who stuck their necks out and complained took their lumps in the form of major abuse in the last 24 hours in forums like these, that's for sure.

But I am afraid that now the shoe is on the other foot. Those of you who were busy name-calling yesterday ("whiners," "bitches," patsies," "crybabies," etc. etc...... I could go on with the epithets) need to now swallow hard, and move on, like mature adults.


Well, either that, or they could claim that "nobody won" (lol), and/or continue hurling "whiner" insults, as many are still doing.

The horse has left the barn, people. Just let it go, and move on.



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post #181 of 311
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

A few random thoughts:

7) I think that the early buyers who stuck their necks out and complained took their lumps in the form of major abuse in the last 24 hours in forums like these, that's for sure. But I am afraid that now the shoe is on the other foot. Those of you who were busy name-calling yesterday ("whiners," "bitches," patsies," "crybabies," etc. etc...... I could go on with the epithets) need to now swallow hard, and move on, like mature adults.

Swallow hard and move on? Like you did yesterday when you were begging for ringtones cause of the price reduction? Good one ana, and BTW you were bitching.
post #182 of 311
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I agree with that as well.


Us agreeing? Mel, don't make me look around for signs of the impending Apocalypse.

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post #183 of 311
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Originally Posted by TBaggins View Post

Well, either that, or they could claim that "nobody won" (lol), and/or continue hurling "whiner" insults, as many are still doing.

The horse has left the barn, people. Just let it go, and move on.



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Yeah, cause we all saw how the real fanboys stand up to fight Apple, they take to the message boards complaining instead of thinking before they purchase.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

I think that the early buyers who stuck their necks out and complained took their lumps in the form of major abuse in the last 24 hours in forums like these, that's for sure. But I am afraid that now the shoe is on the other foot. Those of you who were busy name-calling yesterday ("whiners," "bitches," patsies," "crybabies," etc. etc...... I could go on with the epithets) need to now swallow hard, and move on, like mature adults.


Are you delirious? You think just because Apple were forced into throwing a bone to all the crybabies that somehow that makes them right? Its like a tired mother giving in to a child who is throwing a tantrum, it does not meant the child was right all along it just means the mother cannot be arsed hearing the screaming anymore.

I cannot see how you think for a minute that this decision by Apple is a vindication of your actions? Crazy. And as for the "Move on like mature adults" line, OH MY GOD, is that not what everyone was telling you to do yesterday?

The shoe is not on the other foot you fool, you all still look as greedy and stupid as you did yesterday.
post #186 of 311
no matter what, everyone had the right to say what they feel. apple and any other company has the right to listen or not listen to the customer.

i am glad that i am getting this store credit, like i said yesterday, i was on the site looking at the new ipods for the kids. i saw the price cut and was bummed. i thought "wow, that extra money would of been the ipods". now, i will go to the apple store and buy 2 ipods and apple will get $200 more from me, just for giving me a $200 store credit. (I got 2 iphones)

there is not too much in the apple store for $100, most with the credit will spend more money and in the end it is a total win for apple.

and yes i did send an email, but we all have the right to voice our thoughts!
post #187 of 311
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Swallow hard and move on? Like you did yesterday when you were begging for ringtones cause of the price reduction? Good one ana, and BTW you were bitching.

Oh, quit it, steviet02..... please don't draw further attention to what I thought was a particularly egregiously abusive post (amongst all of them), and make yourself look further like an intemperate ass that you sounded like. I am sure that is not how you are normally. Indeed, I vaguely recall that you even quasi-apologized later.

Would you like me to cut and paste those?

PS: For what it's worth, I am more than able to afford the ringtones I need, and do not have to "beg" for it. As a more general point, I don't beg for anything in life.
post #188 of 311
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Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

Yeah, cause we all saw how the real fanboys stand up to fight Apple, they take to the message boards complaining instead of thinking before they purchase.

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Originally Posted by murphyweb View Post

Are you delirious? You think just because Apple were forced into throwing a bone to all the crybabies that somehow that makes them right? Its like a tired mother giving in to a child who is throwing a tantrum, it does not meant the child was right all along it just means the mother cannot be arsed hearing the screaming anymore.

I cannot see how you think for a minute that this decision by Apple is a vindication of your actions? Crazy. And as for the "Move on like mature adults" line, OH MY GOD, is that not what everyone was telling you to do yesterday?

The shoe is not on the other foot you fool, you all still look as greedy and stupid as you did yesterday.

Thanks for proving my point.

(Hope your mom knows you're online screaming.)
post #190 of 311
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Yeah, cause we all saw how the real fanboys stand up to fight Apple, they take to the message boards complaining instead of thinking before they purchase.


Mm... I don't think 'they didn't think before they bought' is really a valid argument in this case. Apple, after all, has a history of NOT doing huge early price drops, but rather, of maintaining prices as long as possible (features/capacity usually gets added instead).

There's really no way the early adopters could've seen it coming. $200 drop less than 10 weeks out? Let's be fair here... NO ONE was predicting that. \

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post #191 of 311
S.J should have let the cry babies cry. The few that left the fold would be back for the Leopard
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LOL.


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post #193 of 311
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this isn't from the goodness of apple's heart - they obviously got advice from their counsel that they were at risk for a claim - - -

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I think you're wrong - for reasons I've posted in other threads - i think the likihood of valid claims was high - i'm sure the class action attorneys are disappointed because at a minimum a likely settlment was just cut in half...

The beautiful thing about the internet is that people can just pull things out of their asses and post them as fact. There is NO legal case here. A company lowered the price of a product. They never claimed they wouldn't do so. As I posted in the main thread on this, any such suit would be laughed out of court.
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post #194 of 311
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

A true give back would have been in the form of 100.00 rebate checks.

Sure, but I have yet to read one opinion that convinced me that anybody deserved any "give back" at all.

Apple could have done nothing and been guilty of nothing more than an inelegant price drop. Instead they have determined that this solution will be better for the bottom line in the long run. Good for them. Wish I had money to buy stock. Heck, I wish I had money to buy an iPod Touch. Maybe if I whine enough...
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post #195 of 311
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Thanks for proving my point.

(Hope your mom knows you're online screaming.)

What the hell are you talking about??

Don't even begin to think that my post proves your point, that is a very childish response, my post was there to highlight your ridiculous statements about how Apple throwing you a bone somewhow vindicates your actions.

And please explain how taking my post and making certain words bold change anything, how does that mean i was screaming, in fact what was your point? was there a point? And if my mom was alive she probably would not mind even if i was screaming, she would have been just as eager to find out if you actually have a point as i am.

To repeat, a victory earned by making yourself look like a fool is not really a victory and it certainly does not make anyone else who called you a fool wrong.
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this isn't from the goodness of apple's heart - they obviously got advice from their counsel that they were at risk for a claim - - -

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I think you're wrong - for reasons I've posted in other threads - i think the likihood of valid claims was high - i'm sure the class action attorneys are disappointed because at a minimum a likely settlment was just cut in half...

The beautiful thing about the internet is that people can just pull things out of their asses and post them as fact. There is NO legal case here. A company lowered the price of a product. They never claimed they wouldn't do so. As I posted in the main thread on this, any such suit would be laughed out of court.
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PS: For what it's worth, I am more than able to afford the ringtones I need, and do not have to "beg" for it. As a more general point, I don't beg for anything in life.

Not anything?
post #198 of 311
Awesome, they did the right thing. They just paid for my dot mac renewal due at months end

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post #199 of 311
Just wanted to say: I am going to open a psychic hotline.....

Originally posted by SDW2001:

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My feeling is that if Apple wants to avoid some bad PR, they'll issue a price guarantee/rebate for anyone that bought an iPhone the last 30 days. It would be expensive, but not that expensive. Or, they could offer them store credit for the same amount. That would actually be a much better idea. Make people use it on an Apple product.

You know it.
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