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The trouble with people who yell a lot is they don't listen a lot.

In your previous post, you specifically said <quote>...from a nation of self-gratifying shallow losers....<unquote>, and <quote>.....the state of the worthless society they live in.<unquote>. (Underlining mine). Which nation? Which "worthless society" do "they" live in?

Now, you are trying to weasel out of that by saying:

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And that is what is wrong with society...... and "When the whole of society acts this way".........

Notice a difference?

Look, you can slam early-iPhone-buyer-whiners all you want, but you are being really immature when you make a sweeping statement about a country as a whole. For instance, I would not remotely begin to judge the UK based on the silliness (and poor quality of English) revealed in your post.

It is just not nice to make these kinds of sweeping cultural generalizations. Also, if your goal is to make a point that you want to persuade people with, you've probably ended up doing the exact opposite.

Here's a simple piece of advice, and you can take it or leave it: Listen more, and yell less.
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The trouble with people who yell a lot is they don't listen a lot.

In your previous post, you specifically said <quote>...from a nation of self-gratifying shallow losers....<unquote>, and <quote>.....the state of the worthless society they live in.<unquote>. (Underlining mine). Which nation? Which "worthless society" do "they" live in?

Now, you are trying to weasel out of that by saying:

Im talking about the US influenced western society, where a large majority of us must have everything yesterday, brag about its price and gloat over the big pile of worthless junk we have amassed for ourselves.

Now it seems the army of irresponsible whiners cannot even take responsibility for their actions, and have to blame someone else for their misjudgement, and/or claim they've been shafted.



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Look, you can slam early-iPhone-buyer-whiners all you want, but you are being really immature when you make a sweeping statement about a country as a whole. For instance, I would not remotely begin to judge the UK based on the silliness (and poor quality of English) revealed in your post.

im assuming that as i'm typing pretty good English, that everyone bar you can understand, that you're either just yanking the chain, or you have reading difficulties, in which case i'll just or state that it really isn't your fault if you are born with learning difficulties.


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It is just not nice to make these kinds of sweeping cultural generalizations. Also, if your goal is to make a point that you want to persuade people with, you've probably ended up doing the exact opposite.

Here's a simple piece of advice, and you can take it or leave it: Listen more, and yell less.

boo-hoo, its not nice! Just great coming from a person who's sided with the army of whiners who think it standard practise to blame others and whine incessantly when they fuck up. Oh look a profanity, oh no!

As for your advice, if one doesn't mind, i think i'll leave it all the same.

There is an army of dimwit whiners to shout over.
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do come on old chap, its terribly naff to have to wait so long between these posts of yours to get my fix.
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I am sure you think you are sounding reasonable (and you do, compared to your earlier, profanity-laden diatribe that was somewhat difficult to understand. But you sound like a completely out-of-control moron when you make exaggerated statements such as those highlighted below.

(You've probably got some serious issues, dude. Including, some problems with people who live in the US. )

"Ok, if you're a 15 year old kid who worked at mcdonalds all summer to buy the most expensive phone on the planet in order to be the coolest kid in class"

Tell me, has MarcUK hit the nail on the head here?

I can think of no other reason for your inability to understand his posts or to criticize his English and then write a sentence like this; " Also, if your goal is to make a point that you want to persuade people with, you've probably ended up doing the exact opposite." ( Oh! the irony)

And there is certainly no justification, other than being a minor, for using the word 'dude',
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If you didn't value the phone at $600 when you bought it, that begs the question of why the hell did you buy it?

I value the phone at $600. I bought it because it does a bunch of things worth $600 to me.
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Fact. There are very few people who need a $600 phone.

I use it mostly for the other functions and it substitutes quite often for a laptop (which, btw, costs more).

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You bought it because it was cool, and you wanted to buy into that coolness. You got exactly what you wanted, what you knew you were getting and you handed over the money. You had two and a half months of flashing, gloating, feeling special, looking cool.

I have no interest in the iPhone for its coolness factor. This is why I'm glad the price went down. The lower price makes it that much less cool, and I prefer it that way. I like the iPhone only because I like the iPhone. With the new low price, hopefully it will become just as a common as a laptop, and people who use them will not attract gawkers.
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The reason we have been inundated with whiners, is that people bought the phone so that they can brag "Look at my $600 phone". Thats all there is to it, and that is why they are upset.

They just lost a chunk off the bottom of the prop that holds up their shallow, insignificant lives, where the only measure of self-worth for them is an inflated price tag for a completely extravagant item.

Now that is gone, the feelings off worthless insignificance come creeping back and they default to being the whining losers they always were.

Some people are just pissed that they paid $200 more to be first on line, and not because they got swallowed up in your existential fantasy club. Sometimes a cigar is... well, you know.

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But dont blame them! Thats the state of the worthless society they live in.

End of story. Shut up. Period.

While I am sure that there are people who fit your explanation, it sounds more like a confessional than anything else.
post #287 of 311
thats great! enjoy your phone.
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Tell me, has MarcUK hit the nail on the head here?

Really hard to tell through all the rage and swearing.

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And there is certainly no justification, other than being a minor, for using the word 'dude',

Actually, there is one other loophole: Living in California (which I do).

Over here, 'dude' is as much a part of the language as "G'day" is in Australia. Been that way for at least 20 years now. It's not going away.


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I was one of those calling people whiners, and I don't see how this changes anything. First they did not give a refund, they gave you a credit for a future sale. A future sale on which they will still make several hundred dollars from you.

Secondly, Apple's response to the overwhelming whine-fest that was on these boards yesterday does not change the fact that it was a whine-athon.

Wow! You really are cold. Why can't you accept that Apple reacted quickly and appropriately in acknowledging that early adopters do more to promote new products than expensive advertising can buy? Your reference to whining is condescending and inappropriate. If in fact the negative feedback was whining, I doubt Apple would have remedied the loss of goodwill. The fact is that early adopters are the most valuable customers a corporation can have--especially with technology.

I'll gladly take my $100 and buy v-modo's $100 pair of iPhone enabled earphones (actually wait for the 2nd generation since the first gen does not have full iPhone controls... expect improved earphones by the end of the month).. O.K., so the $100 will end up costing them less in out of pocket terms. But so what? It is still $100 in consumer dollars.
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post #291 of 311
A purchase is a business deal, and there is always a contract. The contract clearly stated a 14 day period for the refund of a change in purchase price (this is standard so that if a product goes on sale prior purchasers cannot drink the soup). People agreed to it and then have the gall to whine like babies. Whinefest 2007 will go down in history as one of the worst displays of immaturity ever.

 

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post #292 of 311
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Wow! You really are cold. Why can't you accept that Apple reacted quickly and appropriately in acknowledging that early adopters do more to promote new products than expensive advertising can buy? Your reference to whining is condescending and inappropriate. If in fact the negative feedback was whining, I doubt Apple would have remedied the loss of goodwill. The fact is that early adopters are the most valuable customers a corporation can have--especially with technology.

I'll gladly take my $100 and buy v-modo's $100 pair of iPhone enabled earphones (actually wait for the 2nd generation since the first gen does not have full iPhone controls... expect improved earphones by the end of the month).. O.K., so the $100 will end up costing them less in out of pocket terms. But so what? It is still $100 in consumer dollars.

Whether Apple "reacted", or planned the entire thing is not quite clear.

Either way, they did the right thing as far as getting the good publicity out of it.

It's very amusing that the headline on one paper's front page was: Apple CEO apologizes for lowering prices.

That, itself, was worth all the outrage!
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If in fact the negative feedback was whining, I doubt Apple would have remedied the loss of goodwill. The fact is that early adopters are the most valuable customers a corporation can have...

But the negative feedback (i.e. whiners) is pretty much a vocal minority.

A couple percent, at best, of the early adopters have now made what could have been a great move by Apple, lowering the price, into a major problem for everyone.

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It's very amusing that the headline on one paper's front page was: Apple CEO apologizes for lowering prices. That, itself, was worth all the outrage

Not really, the refund, credit or whatever, is bad for Apple's image, bad for the shareholders, bad for the Mac user base and even bad for the whiners because it just reenforces their immature behavior.

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But the negative feedback (i.e. whiners) is pretty much a vocal minority.

A couple percent, at best, of the early adopters have now made what could have been a great move by Apple, lowering the price, into a major problem for everyone.



Not really, the refund, credit or whatever, is bad for Apple's image, bad for the shareholders, bad for the Mac user base and even bad for the whiners because it just reenforces their immature behavior.

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That's not the opinion of any writers I've read in the papers, or on the web. They think it's a brilliant idea.

Apple drops prices significantly, which gets people who don't have the phone to praise the company, and say in much greater numbers that they will now buy the phone. The media says that the price drop before the holidays will convince many more people to buy it.

Some people complain loudly that Apple lowered the prices on a high tech item they recently purchased whose prices are always being lowered.

People who didn't buy the phone yet shake their heads at the lack of understanding of the phone business those early adopters have.

Apple announces that even though those people should know that something like that might happen, and even though all people who bought the phone 14 or less days before the price drop will get the difference back, it will go halfway, and give a $100 store credit to everyone else.

The media applauds Apple's move, and says that Apple understands what it had to do, that it won't cost the company too much money, and will draw people into the stores, or the website, where they will come backmany times.

That's the way this story has been playing out in the media.

Very positive for Apple except for the very few grumblers left.
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Very positive for Apple except for the very few grumblers left.

Maybe, if you think that the refund was planned, which I don't, otherwise it looks like the whiners forced Apple's hand thus making them appear weak. The refund looks like damage control to me.

I believe many people in the industry look at the course of events as an indication that something has gone wrong and rightly so in my opinion. The price was too high. Lowering the price could have been genius except for the whiners and refund part. Now it just makes them look desperate.

But then the Apple spin doctors tell the story differently. So far Wall Street disagrees. The shareholders are more important than the users. I'd be curious to know how many of the whiners are shareholders.

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Maybe, if you think that the refund was planned, which I don't, otherwise it looks like the whiners forced Apple's hand thus making them appear weak. The refund looks like damage control to me.

I believe many people in the industry look at the course of events as an indication that something has gone wrong and rightly so in my opinion. The price was too high. Lowering the price could have been genius except for the whiners and refund part. Now it just makes them look desperate.

But then the Apple spin doctors tell the story differently. So far Wall Street disagrees. The shareholders are more important than the users. I'd be curious to know how many of the whiners are shareholders.

You think that, but it's not what I'm reading.
post #297 of 311
I am a stock holder for the record, and as one I am happy to here Apple is going to provide the $100.00 credit in this case !!!!ONLY!!!!.

We all need to remember the iphone was going to be sold as the end all digital device. It is much more than just a cell phone. I also agree the price was to high and needed to come down just not this fast it sends the wrong message.

And he should of never done it at the same time as a new product release. Based on Steve's comments he made to the press. Should we all wait 60 days so we can buy a new iPod 33% cheaper or a new iMac?

One of the key concepts with this device as it relates to cell phone design is the fact it is software driven and did not need to have new hardware released everytime a new feature hit the smartphone market like all other smartphones on the market.

The ONLY reason I can think of that would justify a price cut this fast is that Apple can't update the software in the current models to meet the features the public wants and expects and that a new hardware model is going to be released very very soon to make up for the short falls of this model.

If this is the case Apple is going to be in big trouble based on what just happened.

Just something to think about because we have not seen any real feature updates to the iphone at this point and no real news about any from Apple. Just has to make you wonder.
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Unsafe at any speed? How about obsolete in two months? Don't I feel like a idiot for
buying the (now discontinued) 4Gig model. Can you imagine the Apple execs hyping
up sales in June, knowing full well in September it would be obsolete? What shocking
treatment to give Apple customers.
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One of the key concepts with this device as it relates to cell phone design is the fact it is software driven and did not need to have new hardware released everytime a new feature hit the smartphone market like all other smartphones on the market.

The ONLY reason I can think of that would justify a price cut this fast is that Apple can't update the software in the current models to meet the features the public wants and expects and that a new hardware model is going to be released very very soon to make up for the short falls of this model.

If this is the case Apple is going to be in big trouble based on what just happened.

Are you joking? You must be. You can't seriously be suggesting that Apple would never come out with a new model? There's two things we know can't be added by software update: 3G and more capacity.

Some people are even speculating that we'll see a 3G version before Christmas.
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Unsafe at any speed? How about obsolete in two months? Don't I feel like a idiot for
buying the (now discontinued) 4Gig model. Can you imagine the Apple execs hyping
up sales in June, knowing full well in September it would be obsolete? What shocking
treatment to give Apple customers.

Why does it matter that it's discontinued? Do you not now still have the same iPhone you bought a couple of months ago?
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Unsafe at any speed? How about obsolete in two months? Don't I feel like a idiot for
buying the (now discontinued) 4Gig model. Can you imagine the Apple execs hyping
up sales in June, knowing full well in September it would be obsolete? What shocking
treatment to give Apple customers.

Obsolete doesn't mean "discontinued". If your iPhone is now incompatable with software upgrades, or it no longer works with the network you bought it to work with, then, indeed, it would be obsolete.

But, if it does work with all of that, then it is NOT obsolete.

It functions every bit as well today as when you first bought it.

Don't go around feeling sorry for yourself.
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Are you joking? You must be. You can't seriously be suggesting that Apple would never come out with a new model? There's two things we know can't be added by software update: 3G and more capacity.

Some people are even speculating that we'll see a 3G version before Christmas.

Of course I know they are going to put out another model. It is the speed at which they are going to do it that is going to hurt Apple in some ways. They stopped making the 4Gig iphone when they should of never even made it to begin with. The customers that have them must feel like they have been left out in the cold.

Now my guess is before the holiday the 3G model will be released with a new AT&T rate plan that cost even more per month. Then soon after this hardware model is released before the 2008 X-mas rush we will see a 32-100gig unit with GPS hardware built in.

The point I am making is as long as they do this SOME people are not going to be very happy with the company and overall sales are going to be effected.

Case in point if by Dec 1st 2007 Apple sell's 2million iphone and then on Dec 2nd releases a new 3G version what do you think these customers are going to do?

Many of these current customers will continue to feel like they have been used by Apple. If Apple is planing this type of move I hope they will at least make a software release for the current models that fix many of it's short comings to help reduce the blow. Just for the sake of it stock price.
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Do you not now still have the same iPhone you bought a couple of months ago?

I agree. Daring Fireball put it best when he said many people bought iPhones just to be assholes. Meaning they bought them as status symbols to show off. And you were shortsighted if you really did not think your new shiny toy could be discounted or supplanted by something new.

I bought my iPhone for connectivity and communication. When the price goes down or they come out with a new one. The one I bought still does what I bought it for so it doesn't effect me what Apple does with newer sales or models.
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Of course I know they are going to put out another model. It is the speed at which they are going to do it that is going to hurt Apple in some ways. They stopped making the 4Gig iphone when they should of never even made it to begin with. The customers that have them must feel like they have been left out in the cold.

I don't understand your remark at all. Why would the 4GB customers be left out in the cold? It no longer works? It does less now than it did when they bought it?

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Now my guess is before the holiday the 3G model will be released with a new AT&T rate plan that cost even more per month. Then soon after this hardware model is released before the 2008 X-mas rush we will see a 32-100gig unit with GPS hardware built in.

The point I am making is as long as they do this SOME people are not going to be very happy with the company and overall sales are going to be effected.

Case in point if by Dec 1st 2007 Apple sell's 2million iphone and then on Dec 2nd releases a new 3G version what do you think these customers are going to do?

Many of these current customers will continue to feel like they have been used by Apple. If Apple is planing this type of move I hope they will at least make a software release for the current models that fix many of it's short comings to help reduce the blow. Just for the sake of it stock price.

These are not good reasons. Anytime Apple upgrades, or otherwise comes out with new models is not a good idea according to your philosophy.

Exactly when should Apple come out with a new model then? In March, June? Perhaps they should wait for the holiday season 2008?

6 months is plenty of time for new models, even models that have 3G and replace the current one.

If people can't understand how this works, too bad. At some point they will have to look around them and see that every other company does the same thing.
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I actually like my 4GB model. I guess I'm the only one who doesn't mind syncing once in awhile. I mean, shit, it holds 14 full albums, and 3 full length movies, and I have room to spare.

If you're spending so much time on your iPhone where that's not good enough, complaining about an extra 4GB are the least of your problems.

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http://www.apple.com/hotnews/openiphoneletter

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I have received hundreds of emails from iPhone customers who are upset about Apple dropping the price of iPhone by $200 two months after it went on sale...

What are the chances that Steve would listen to all the technicians and IT staff who are frustrated by Apple's desire to make iMacs and laptops as difficult to service as possible? Would he do something to make these Macs actually repairable in a reasonable amount of time?
post #307 of 311
Good move but certainly not planned! If Apple planned to offer this coupon to existing iPhone owners, the details would pretty much be available on how to get your $100 coupon. This was a reaction and a good one at that.
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All the talk here is funny. I bought an iphone on day 2 (no waiting and only had to suffer 1 day without it ) and I in no way feel "ripped off" by the price drop. However, unlike many of the "stop whining crowd", it will say that for the most part they are wrong in that having this large of a price drop so soon after release is the big issue here. Had they announced this on Thanksgiving, the hue and cry wouldn't be nearly as loud. Only a few weeks after release is quite aggressive.

Speaking of aggressive, how anyone can read this as anything other than Apple saying "we had the element of surprise and our toe in the water revealed that not only can we compete, we can succeed and all these damn clones are coming out so we have to strike hard and fast" I just can't fathom. This is a brilliant stroke by Apple , they play it conservative, see opportunity knocking and they react. Bravo. Apple has learned just how valuable market share and "hearts and minds" is to a market through the ipod. If Apple wants to be a long term player in the phone industry (and keep any leaching of potential ipod buyers by the phone industry) then they need to establish a beach head (done) and then strike (in progress).

The $100 credit is also brilliant. Keeps people coming in the door. I'll use mine to buy my wife an iphone. More marketshare for Apple. Keep it coming I say.
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All the talk here is funny. I bought an iphone on day 2 (no waiting and only had to suffer 1 day without it ) and I in no way feel "ripped off" by the price drop. However, unlike many of the "stop whining crowd", it will say that for the most part they are wrong in that having this large of a price drop so soon after release is the big issue here. Had they announced this on Thanksgiving, the hue and cry wouldn't be nearly as loud. Only a few weeks after release is quite aggressive.

Speaking of aggressive, how anyone can read this as anything other than Apple saying "we had the element of surprise and our toe in the water revealed that not only can we compete, we can succeed and all these damn clones are coming out so we have to strike hard and fast" I just can't fathom. This is a brilliant stroke by Apple , they play it conservative, see opportunity knocking and they react. Bravo. Apple has learned just how valuable market share and "hearts and minds" is to a market through the ipod. If Apple wants to be a long term player in the phone industry (and keep any leaching of potential ipod buyers by the phone industry) then they need to establish a beach head (done) and then strike (in progress).

The $100 credit is also brilliant. Keeps people coming in the door. I'll use mine to buy my wife an iphone. More marketshare for Apple. Keep it coming I say.

It wasn't a "few" weeks, it was a good two months.

I've just given a reason I think might be a major cause for the timing, and possibly for the drop itself. Post number 17.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...=1#post1142420
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The only people who have been doing the shafting, are the consumers who bought a $600 mobile phone.

They shafted themselves.

Clearly reading through these posts, we do see some level headed iPhone purchasers who realise that they paid a $200 exclusivity fee, which they judge to be worth it. Thats fine.

Ok, if you're a 15 year old kid who worked at mcdonalds all summer to buy the most expensive phone on the planet in order to be the coolest kid in class, I might feel some sympathy for you because you do not have the life experience to realise that there is a high price penalty for being cool. If this experience is the first time this has happened to you. Im sorry you wasted your summer, but that is the way the world works. Get over it, shut your mouth and engage your brain in a bit of reflective contemplation. Learn something from it and get on with life, and dont repeat the experience again.

For everyone else... This boils down to nothing but Greed and lack of self control. No understanding of reality and no perspective. Its totally expected from a nation of self-gratifying shallow losers.

If you didn't value the phone at $600 when you bought it, that begs the question of why the hell did you buy it?

Fact. There are very few people who need a $600 phone. Probably no-one. You bought it because it was cool, and you wanted to buy into that coolness. You got exactly what you wanted, what you knew you were getting and you handed over the money. You had two and a half months of flashing, gloating, feeling special, looking cool.

And when the truth comes out, you can still do all of those things and your phone still does all of the things it did when you bought it.

But the real issue here is that what the phone is, or what it does is irrelavent. The reason we have been inundated with whiners, is that people bought the phone so that they can brag "Look at my $600 phone". Thats all there is to it, and that is why they are upset.

They just lost a chunk off the bottom of the prop that holds up their shallow, insignificant lives, where the only measure of self-worth for them is an inflated price tag for a completely extravagant item.

Now that is gone, the feelings off worthless insignificance come creeping back and they default to being the whining losers they always were.

But dont blame them! Thats the state of the worthless society they live in.

End of story. Shut up. Period.

Now does any one want to hear my story of buying a Q6600, only to have it drop by $300 a month later. No. And you wont hear me moaning about it either, because I paid for what I wanted, I knew the price, I knew price cuts were coming, BUT I decided it was worth it at the price I paid. So I handed over my money and got on with it - after sitting out the first 6 months of its release waiting and showing self control for the price to drop to a level where I thought it was worth it.

Wow... you really put alot of thought into us worthless folks.
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