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post #41 of 125
1/7/02 at 11:57am
I'd venture to say that Apple's current professional line is in disarray. The new iBook pretty much makes the TiBook too expensive unless you desperately need FCP on the road. The new iMac makes two of the three PowerMacs pretty much obsolete.

As a matter of fact, both the portable and desktop lines are pretty much seperated by screen size and nothing else.

I'm not going to whine and say that I'm switching to Windows, but there's almost no reason to buy a professional machine right now. Why offer them then?
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post #42 of 125
1/7/02 at 11:58am
[quote]Originally posted by jutus:
<strong>There are several very valid reasons why a new G4 was not released.
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or,
4) Motorola can't produce GHz G4's, or G5's of any description, within a reasonable time.

So, what then? PowerMacs and iMacs drop in price, and... we just wait.

Or, forget the pro line! Who needs the graphic artists and video producers, when you can have millions of moms and pops buying iMacs instead? That MacWorld was a seriously family-oriented show; perhaps the Digital Hub will keep growing, and the Creative Tools For Professionals line will just wither away...
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post #43 of 125
1/7/02 at 11:59am
[quote]Originally posted by Franck:
<strong>Just like Outsider said, just wait until tomorrow, perhaps another BIG surprise for the towers.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I think that Schiller and Jon Rubinstein are speaking in Steve's orginal spot tomorrow.

I could see that.

Keep hope alive.
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post #44 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:00pm
People please. Let's put A,B & C together.

A) When does the iMac start to ship? "$1799 model to ship by end of January"

B) When does Apples "Crystal clear savings" for the Power Mac G4 end? "January 31, 2002"

C) Add A+B & get C. The new iMac won't ship till the end of January therefore the old iMacs are still competing against the current Power Macs. This means that Apple has until the end of the month to annouce the new Power Macs. Expect an annoucement on or before Feb 1.

Edit: Added bold

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: X704 ]</p>
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post #45 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:01pm
Today's announcements were great! Especially iPhoto - I've spent hours color correcting pictures in PhotoShop when now, with iPhoto, I can do the same in 5 minutes. Beautiful prints due to ColorSync!

The remote tablot that goes with the G5s will come in due time...
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post #46 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:03pm
I think the G5 will debut at MWT. The pro line will receive a good bump.

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post #47 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:04pm
[quote]Originally posted by Mr.Potatohead:
<strong>I'd say that AMD's 2.2 ghz jumbo jet has just collided into Apple 867 mhz tower, and it's crumbling fast...</strong><hr></blockquote>

AMD doesn't have a 2.2ghz chip. They have a 1.67ghz chip that they call the "2000" or something so people will think it's equivalent to a 2ghz chip.

Not that this isn't much faster than a 867 G4 either way, but let's at least be honest about what Apple's up against.
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post #48 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:05pm
[quote]Originally posted by I Have Questions:
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Well, since all the iMacs don't ship until March, maybe we'll see PM update then.</strong><hr></blockquote>


That's not what was annouced. The fastest new iMac will ship in Jan, the next in Feb, and the slowest in March.


I'm totally weirded out by the whole thing. They are obviously completely obsessed with this new lamp design -- definitely a Steve kind of behaviour, but its really done weird things to their overall product mix. I can't believe that they'll let the situation persist -- it'll completely kill sales of the PowerMacs.
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post #49 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:06pm
If apple screwed up so bad, I'd probably be able to access the apple store now. Since I can't I'm assuming some people who are bogging it down are actually purchasing a new iMac or iBook.
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post #50 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:08pm
for those who are telling people here to stop whining about what they didn't get, and rather to focus on what did show up, i have three words.

It's Apple's Fault

this same keynote, no hype, and it's a great keynote and everyone is happy.

the fact is that everyone who went to any rumor site knew to expect a new iBook and iMac. and they knew they'd be LCD. some members here even had the exact design of the new iMac down weeks ago. (rok)

so when you can't understand why people are disappointed at the new hardware, take a look at the previous listings on apple's front page. specifically the one stating "way beyond the rumor sites"

show me one frickin' thing that's way beyond what everyone thought was coming this year and i'll change my tune. until then, expect most people who have anything to do with an apple rumor site to be sorely disappointed.

apple builds this up to be huge, then wonders why people aren't happy?

what the hell is their problem? this keynote had the opportunity to be a huge success, but instead it feels like a failure, and the exact same hardware was released.

as i've said before, and will say once again, Apple has the ability to pull defeat from the jaws of victory.

they shot themselves in the foot here, let's just hope that most people hadn't seen their site and expected something new and exciting, beyond what was expected.
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post #51 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:08pm
Well this is what I think. The PowerMac rebates go onto the end of January, so in February (when the mid range iMac ships) Apple could hold a 'special' event.

Apple could simply have too much PowerMac stock release a new model now, they have been selling poorly lately (terrible system specs).
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post #52 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:08pm
[quote]Originally posted by Mr.Potatohead:
<strong>I'd say that AMD's 2.2 ghz jumbo jet has just collided into Apple 867 mhz tower, and it's crumbling fast...</strong><hr></blockquote>

it's 1.67 ghz AMD or 2.2 P4 but not 2.2 AMD
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post #53 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:11pm
[quote]Originally posted by sizzle chest:
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Not that this isn't much faster than a 867 G4 either way, but let's at least be honest about what Apple's up against.</strong><hr></blockquote>

AMD's new chips RAPE the G4s. No contest, none of this altivec, superior processor shit. At 867mhz vs 1.6ghz the G4s are trash.
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post #54 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:11pm
[quote]Originally posted by X704:
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A) When does the iMac start to ship? "$1799 model to ship by end of January"

B) When does Apples "Crystal clear savings" for the Power Mac G4 end? "January 31, 2002"

Expect an annoucement on or before Feb 1.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nice work. To this I would add the following:

At the start of the keynote, Steve said, "Starting today, every new Mac boots into OS X. That's true for the new models we're introducing today, and, uh, it will take about a month to work through the rest of the product line." (or words to that effect, I'll have to check the rebroadcast once it's available.)

That also sounds like a late-January or early-February Powermac refresh to me.

[edit: bolds]

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Mithras ]</p>
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post #55 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:12pm
[quote]Originally posted by undotwa:
<strong>Well this is what I think. The PowerMac rebates go onto the end of January, so in February (when the mid range iMac ships) Apple could hold a 'special' event.

Apple could simply have too much PowerMac stock release a new model now, they have been selling poorly lately (terrible system specs).</strong><hr></blockquote>

They certainly won't sell any more when you can get an equivalent system for 1G less. And that's including your promo.
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post #56 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:13pm
Hmmm, no Gigawire as well.

Can we assume that Gigawire is going to be a pro feature, maybe for the G5?

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: deestar ]</p>
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post #57 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:14pm
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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Nope. No keynote tomorrow.</strong><hr></blockquote>

EmAn, did you get to Palisades? Did you stay home from school?

It hardly snowed at all.

Palisades was nice, they gave out free water. It wasn't as crowded as I expected.
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post #58 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:15pm
First off, what an extremely boring Macworld. Steve needs to learn a little more about pacing. You can just hear the quite rumble of attendees during the iMovie, iDVD, and iTunes demonstration all mumbling, "Wow, we already knew we could do that!"

Second, if I remember right the G3 Blue & white pro model didn't last very long after the G3 iMac was introduced. I can remember an uncomfortable time when I was trying to justify the extra expense of the pro lines just to have a larger monitor, but then the G4 appeared.
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post #59 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:15pm
[quote]Originally posted by Mithras:
<strong>

Nice work. To this I would add the following:

At the start of the keynote, Steve said, "Starting today, every new Mac boots into OS X. That's true for the new models we're introducing today, and, uh, it will take about a month to work through the rest of the product line." (or words to that effect, I'll have to check the rebroadcast once it's available.)

That also sounds like a late-January or early-February Powermac refresh to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

thx. I missed that part about the month. But that makes sense. The current PM (and PB's) don't have OS X as default (I guess they could just send a new CD but it does suggest that they're revamping the other product lines) ... nice catch.
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post #60 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:16pm
[quote]Originally posted by deestar:
<strong>Hmmm, no Gigawire as well.

Can we assume that Gigawire is going to be a pro feature, maybe for the G5?

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: deestar ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Speaking of - with no Gigawire/Bluetooth/Etc. in the new iMac, I think it's safe to rule out the rumored thin-client tablet unless it would have nothing to do with either of these technologies and instead rely on AirPort.
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post #61 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:18pm
When is Seybold? Unless I'm mistaken (definite possibility), Seybold Expo is usualy in late winter/early spring.

What better forum to intro a new PM than to those people who will likely purchase more of them than any other industry.

Nonetheless, this MacWorld Expo only makes me think of a line from a They Might Be Giants song:

"If it wasn't for disappointment, I wouldn't have any appointment."
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post #62 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:24pm
x704, actually, with the iMac ramp-up in March and 12th hour clock analogy also in march, I say new Power Macs at the end of March.
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post #63 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:33pm
What I don't get is why Apple would put all those nice features in the new iMac, and then have the bus moving data at 100MHz, and only a 256 cache. Doesn't that defeat some of the advantages that a G4 provides? It's like they intentionally did things to both speed it up and slow it down....

Did they do this for mechanical reasons (heat dissipation for example)? Further, if they are going to release the G5 soon, it will almost surely have a 266 MHz bus or something similar - so why leave the new iMac so far behind in that regard? Even if it outsells the PM for a month or so, why not put the new iMac at 166 MHz bus speed and clock the cpus accordingly?

Further, everyone keeps talking about MWTokyo. Since when does Apple announce major products at MWTokyo?
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post #64 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:41pm
Seybold is February 19-22. I will be there.
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post #65 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:45pm
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>x704, actually, with the iMac ramp-up in March and 12th hour clock analogy also in march, I say new Power Macs at the end of March.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Leaving the PM the same for almost 9 months? No, the current PM line wasn't exactly what I'd call strong when it was released, currently it's very weak (compared to PC's). It has to be upgraded, and it has to be upgraded ASAP. As far as the iMac Ramp-up, yes the $1200 model will ship in March, but the $1800 will ship late this month. Apple cannot wait till March to ship the new PM's. That would be a PM sales disaster.

If they couldn't produce soon with the new PM's they wouldn't have annouced the iMac at MWSF, they would've waited & probably bumped the old models so as to not make the current PM lineup look foolish.
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post #66 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:45pm
[quote]Originally posted by Moogs :
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Further, everyone keeps talking about MWTokyo. Since when does Apple announce major products at MWTokyo?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know Apple has released major products at MWTokyo...I just can't remember what it was!!! I think it was an iMac update and the Pismo Powerbook.
Ehhh....ok, I guess those aren't MAJOR..just updates

There's always an "Apple special event". Uh oh...do I smell a forum titled "G5 rising" brewing? eeep
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post #67 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:48pm
nevermind.

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: EmAn ]</p>
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post #68 of 125
1/7/02 at 12:54pm
[quote]Originally posted by Willoughby:
<strong>

EmAn, did you get to Palisades? Did you stay home from school?

It hardly snowed at all.

Palisades was nice, they gave out free water. It wasn't as crowded as I expected.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well I didn't get to Palisades and yeah I did stay home from school. Faked having a stomach and headache but then my mom still wanted me to go to school so I waited around in the bathroom for a little bit until I heard my bus came, but then my mom still wanted me to go to school. Finally I stalled long enough and I got to stay home.

I'm not too surprised that it wasn't that crowded. The grand opening wasn't either, so it makes sense.
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post #69 of 125
1/7/02 at 1:00pm
Well,, I am not rich like most you guys. But a 1799 super drive iMac is what I have been waiting for. All that crazy software,, I love it!! It was way beyond anything I would have expected in this price range. I feel like I am the only excited one here.. I thought processor speed did not matter. Heck I can not imagine how bloated the software must be if it was available on the PC and it probably would need a V. Fast processor.
You guys are to hard on apple. I will be ordering mine very soon.
Thank you apple for satisfying "Joe Consumer" It would not improve my life if you were to come out with a processor a millions times faster. I would not know what to do with it. Keep up the good work on the software.
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P.s This message was written using a compaq 5BW175.
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post #70 of 125
1/7/02 at 1:05pm
[quote]Originally posted by bunge:
<strong>As a matter of fact, both the portable and desktop lines are pretty much seperated by screen size and nothing else.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hearing that on a board where people have constantly been complaining about how 3 PCI slots are by far not enough is kinda, um, funny.

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post #71 of 125
1/7/02 at 1:15pm
You know, I was all jack up to send $3000 on a brand new Powermac with a superdrive but you know what - Apple just saved me over a $1000! That is great. Who the hell needs a loud powermac when I can have this thing of beauty!

And yes, a PC can be had cheaper but I want a MAC!
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post #72 of 125
1/7/02 at 1:24pm
I think your looking at this all wrong, even though I wanted a G5 today myself. If they had thrown in some little speed bump on the power mac, then I would be very sad, but this means something great is coming quick. Apple will not have the consumer line this close to the pro line. I am looking for new PowerMacs before the end of February if not sooner. And I gotta say the new iMac is really gonna sell well. It looks great.
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post #73 of 125
1/7/02 at 1:27pm
[quote] 3) At the new price points, the iMac is more expensive than the G4's <hr></blockquote>

Oh puh-leeze! The base G4 tower comes in at $1699 and that is without a $599 15" display.

The new base model iMac includes the flat panel and a G4 for only $1299. You stuck on "new math?"
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post #74 of 125
1/7/02 at 1:50pm
No speed bump for the G4! Apple is still stuck at a pathetic 867MHZ! Intel and AMD are leaving the G4 and Apple in the dust! Macs are so slow!! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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1/7/02 at 1:50pm
They will be updated soon enough I'm sure. If anything, this strenghthens the case for a G5 to ship soon.....
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post #76 of 125
1/7/02 at 1:54pm
[quote]Originally posted by X704:
<strong>People please. Let's put A,B & C together.

A) When does the iMac start to ship? "$1799 model to ship by end of January"

B) When does Apples "Crystal clear savings" for the Power Mac G4 end? "January 31, 2002"

C) Add A+B & get C. The new iMac won't ship till the end of January therefore the old iMacs are still competing against the current Power Macs. This means that Apple has until the end of the month to annouce the new Power Macs. Expect an annoucement on or before Feb 1.

Edit: Added bold

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: X704 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
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post #77 of 125
1/7/02 at 1:54pm
[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>They will be updated soon enough I'm sure. If anything, this strenghthens the case for a G5 to ship soon.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hopefully.
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post #78 of 125
1/7/02 at 1:58pm
Hey rbald, crawl back under your rock and give your grubworm a kiss.
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post #79 of 125
1/7/02 at 2:00pm
Yeah, new PM are coming along, just wait. But the fact is, the professional line still has stuff you won't get in an iMac.

faster system bus
more possible ram
L3 cache
pci slots
more possible internal drives
etc.

There are still compelling reasons to buy a PowerMac.
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1/7/02 at 2:04pm
[quote]Originally posted by jutus:
<strong>3) At the new price points, the iMac is more expensive than the G4's.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jutus, please explain this. Are you seriously saying that because $1800 is more than $1699, (top iMac versus lowest Powermac)? If so, maybe you forgot that the top iMac comes with a 15" LCD and a Superdrive?
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