No new powermacs!! - Page 3

No G5s? - No surprise! they arn't ready yet.

New iMac? - Fantastic! will sell millions


We should all be feeling very smug right now. There are millions of people out there who didn't realise they wanted a computer until now. Even my Mum wants one!

For now, wouldn't a quad G4 tower appease the the power users?

Isn't it funny how everybody was saying they'd accept no less than a 1GHz G4 iMac and a G5 tower, and now everyone is happy even though nothing seemed to meet their expectations?

I bet when Apple revs their PowerMacs with 1GHz G4s everyone will be saying that it's only a matter of months before a 2.4GHz G5.

[quote]Originally posted by alcimedes:
<strong>apple builds this up to be huge, then wonders why people aren't happy?

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what the hell is their problem? this keynote had the opportunity to be a huge success, but instead it feels like a failure, and the exact same hardware was released.

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they shot themselves in the foot here

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No they did not shoot themselves in the foot.

B
I promise that Apple's not wondering "why people aren't happy".

C
The keynote feels like a failure to somewhere areound 3 - 7000 people: everyone else *didn't* see the hype, hear the hype nor care about the hype--nor will most people who buy a new iMac ever know that MacwordSF even exists.


The Point
The new iMac is an amazing machine for the price and the keynote was a fantastic summary of where Apple the Company is right now.

[quote]Originally posted by alcimedes:
<strong>for those who are telling people here to stop whining about what they didn't get, and rather to focus on what did show up, i have three words.

It's Apple's Fault

this same keynote, no hype, and it's a great keynote and everyone is happy.

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show me one frickin' thing that's way beyond what everyone thought was coming this year and i'll change my tune. until then, expect most people who have anything to do with an apple rumor site to be sorely disappointed.

apple builds this up to be huge, then wonders why people aren't happy?

what the hell is their problem? this keynote had the opportunity to be a huge success, but instead it feels like a failure, and the exact same hardware was released.

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Gee, last time I checked, there was only one person responsible for my own happiness: ME. It's a sad state of affairs if someone places the burden of one's emotional state on a company.

If you're feeling disappointed, there's only one person to 'blame' -- yourSELF. If you don't want to feel disappointed, then DON'T. It's really that simple. You are responsible for your emotions. No one else.

(BTW I saw the keynote and thought that the iMac looks tres slick, and iPhoto rocks, so I'm pretty happy about it all).

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: chromos ]</p>

I'm not disappointed. I got a new photo management thing (always useful), and the new iMac looks great.

Amorya

[quote]Originally posted by scottiB:
<strong>No new PMacs until the LCD rebate expires at the end of January.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

EXACTLY !

I was waiting to see some one else realize this...

<a href="http://www.apple.com/promo/crystalclear/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/promo/crystalclear/</a>


Special event early in January?

Pre-announcement tomorrow or later this week?

[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>Apple just screwed itself</strong><hr></blockquote>

Some hints:

1. Now, a PowerMac + 15" ASD roughly equivalent to the high end iMac II is about $1,200 more expensive. For that $1,200 you get:

+ 67 more Mhz more and a L3 backsize cache (+10% perf.)
+ great expandability
- 128 MB less RAM
- a noisy fan

Anyone interested in buying one? No, thanks?

2. PowerMac G4 Crystal clear promo ends on 31.1.02 after being extended for a month.

3. the latest PowerBook G4 speed-bump happened as part of a special event on 16.10.01, two weeks before the end of the PowerBook G4 promo - which had been extended by a month to end on 31.10.01 ;-)

4. the iMac II introduction takes several months

So I come to the following conclusions: Without a significant update, Power Mac G4 sales will be cannibalized by iMac II sale. This and the ending of the crystal clear promotion on 31.1.02 signals the introduction of a PM G4 successor in January or early February. It will be based on a new processor not used in current Apple hardware (Apollo or G5) and therefore free the biggest part of Motorola's PPC 7451 output for use in the new iMac. This will in turn enable the production of the cheapet iMac models in HUGE quantities.

[quote]Originally posted by Cobra:
<strong>Stop crying!!

If they had released a new Powermac, then the crys would be "NO PDA".

Apple just is not going to announce 2 major products at once.

Apple could have done a speed bump probably, but why?

They are holding off until they give you all something mindblowing.

Yeah, a incremental upgrade would have been great.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

what the hell is wrong with you? Apple can't handle releasing two major updates? they released 3 a year and half ago at MWNY 2000. they released the TiBook and PowerMac G4 733 w/Superdrive last year at MWSF.

give me a break. that is a dumb excuse.

[quote]Originally posted by BerberCarpet:
<strong>

A
No they did not shoot themselves in the foot.

B
I promise that Apple's not wondering "why people aren't happy".

C
The keynote feels like a failure to somewhere areound 3 - 7000 people: everyone else *didn't* see the hype, hear the hype nor care about the hype--nor will most people who buy a new iMac ever know that MacwordSF even exists.


The Point
The new iMac is an amazing machine for the price and the keynote was a fantastic summary of where Apple the Company is right now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well put.

We all should have forseen no new PowerMacs when they extended the Displays promo a month.

i think the biggest problem apple has now it that it won't sell much desktop systems this quarter. who will buy powermacs now, the imac is a much better deal and offers almost the same performance! who will buy an imac g3 now, except some beginners that don't have the money to afford the new one? apple will have to live from pre-orders and laptops, as the new imacs won't ship immediately, and therefore i really doubt if this quarter will be a huge financial success (or am i wrong on this one?).

therefore they will have to update the powermacs within the next... lets say, 10 weeks (or better less).

let's be honest: 1 ghz would have been possible for the pm, at least - 133 mhz in 6 months, that should not be too hard. then everybody would have been at least a bit satisfied about the pro machines. so why are they waiting? a 1 ghz top model pm wouldn't have taken the attention off the imac.

i think the powermacs will need at least a mhz advantage of 20-30% over the imac, so that they can be marketed as "pro" machines. that would mean 1+ ghz on all models. maybe they'll do it with apollo, maybe we'll see a g5, who knows.

but i would not blame motorola for the fact that the powermacs were not bumped, this time it's probably really apples marketing strategy that's responsible. there must be 1 ghz chips that could have been used at least in the top model, like i said, 133 mhz in 6 months should really have been possible.

about the new imac:
- great hardware for the price, all models
- unfortunately a bit costy for beginners, but with falling lcd prices this may change
- very flexible tech design for apple, they will be able to use other lcd screens later, like a 17". increasing the screen size was not possible with the former imac designs

[quote]Originally posted by Keda:
<strong>There must be something planned. I had told my brother to wait until after today to buy his new system, but Im not sure what to say now. The towers all pale in comparisson. An 867+15" LCD will cost about $1200 more than an iMac with a super drive. Im not sure what to tell him.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Tell him to buy an iMac. ;-) Really, the iMac is encroaching into professional level. I know, I know, the screen is small. But you know, a lot of people got by doing graphic work with smaller screens for years. I'm strongly considering this new machine.

[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>I don't believe how stupid Apple is. How could they not release any new Powermacs? The PMs suck and they leave them alone... how retarted is that?</strong><hr></blockquote> It's like i said Apple Computers are soooo slowwwwwww!! Ha, Ha,!!!!!!!
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

The reason I am disappointed by this MW, is not what they showed... It is because Apple hyped it so much. "Beyond the rumor sites?" Hardly.... We expected someting close to this, but with Apple claiming it would go where no PC has gone, it raised my expectations above what was shown... Don't get me wrong. I absolutely love the new iMac. Yet, it is not what i was thinking Apple would show based on what they said... The thing I am wondering now is, what if they will show the G5 or upgraded G4 tommorow? Giving us 1 day to marvel (or fume) over the new iMac, so we get the idea stuck in our minds as awesome, along with rotting iPhoto as pretty cool... Then tommorow showing off the REAL kickers.. Moving the Keynote to today, could possibly alloow for this. While I doubt this will happen, almost sure it will not, it would make perfect sense.

[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>While Apple was busy hyping this expo, AMD released the XP 2000+ and Intel released the P4 2.2 For the first time ever, I find myself considering buying an Athlon based PC. 6 months without an update is terrible for the PowerMacs. I don't care if they are waiting to "wow" us. I will take whatever slightly faster processor Apple has RIGHT NOW. I would take a 1GHz G4 TODAY over a 1.4GHz G5 in 4 months!</strong><hr></blockquote>

[quote]Originally posted by Xool:
<strong>Today's announcements were great! Especially iPhoto - I've spent hours color correcting pictures in PhotoShop when now, with iPhoto, I can do the same in 5 minutes. Beautiful prints due to ColorSync!
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The only color "correction" options I see in iPhoto are to converting a photo to black and white, and redeye correction.

Looks like I'm still gonna need Photoshop for auto-level correction of color and contrast.

Or is there something in iPhoto you are using to do this, that I am missing?

[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>While Apple was busy hyping this expo, AMD released the XP 2000+ and Intel released the P4 2.2 For the first time ever, I find myself considering buying an Athlon based PC. 6 months without an update is terrible for the PowerMacs. I don't care if they are waiting to "wow" us. I will take whatever slightly faster processor Apple has RIGHT NOW. I would take a 1GHz G4 TODAY over a 1.4GHz G5 in 4 months!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep - what a dissapointment - are people really that easily suckered into thinking what a top design it is - it looks like a shaving mirror to me!
I must be missing something - but is the imac a consumer computer - if so, consumers must have got richer!
Surely - a 15" studio display in a case 2" deeper to carry the hardware would have been neat - could even hang it on a wall!
Times running out apple - people want to see something faster - me included - I am now looking at AMDs and intels and its getting easier to build your own!

Ship times from the Apple Store for all three tower models, standard or BTO, is listed at "10 days". If there's no imminent update, there should be stock, and hence the standard models should show "1-2 days".

That, combined with the Jan 31 display promotion expiration makes me hope (and believe) that an update will be announced within the next two weeks. My gut reaction is "well then why didn't they announce at Macworld, even if they won't ship for a while?"...and the answer is that Steve is a nutcase and doesn't want to detract from his iMac. Which is fair enough -- it's a nice machine, but it's not what I'm personally after.

Alex

do you realise that apple is trying to get more iMac sales?
they know people want this computer, and by not releasing new g4s(or g5s)they are making people that HAD g4 towers consider buying this computer, think about it, the current iMac is about as powerful as the current g4s, its sexier and its cheaper, this way apple gets maximum iMac sales for a while then they will release the next powermac, which I'm sure will be so awesome everyone will sell their iMacs and get one

all I want in the next powermac is
ddr ram at 333mhz and a 333mhz system bus
ppc g5 running at 1.4or higher and a 5.1 channel surround system

its possible I might get 3 of these things, but we'll see

if apple's next powermac is maxed out at 1 ghz and has 133 mhz system bus and 133 SDram, then that ****ing sucks

I think the key thing is that Apple did not even touch the powermacs.

Now, combine that with the new iMac getting a G4, and I think the writing is one the wall for the next Powermacs: we will have G5 powermacs very soon.

All in all, a solid expo, but Apple hyped it a bit too much.

But damn, that new iMac is awesome! I want one. It's a fine piece of engineering, and the best part is that it has a G4. Now that the iMac has altivec, more developers will code for it, and the MHz gap will become even less important.

Really, if you think about it, these new iMacs are freakin' FAST. They are even pretty good for graphics, with 32 MB vRAM, that's not bad for gaming.

My only complaint is that the video card isn't upgradable. But I would have been surprised if it were...this is the disposable iMac that everyone knows and loves.

[quote]
Tell him to buy an iMac. ;-)
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I spoke w/my brother a while ago. He's actually very interested in the new iMac. The way he sees it, he can spend less money, get a comparable system, and have cash left over for SW & a graphics tablet.

PowerMac G5 will be here within 6 weeks. Mark my words. It was suppose to be released today but obviously something changed that

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>PowerMac G5 will be here within 6 weeks. Mark my words.</strong><hr></blockquote>

For once I may actually agree with you (except the 6 weeks part). No Apollos today is probably good news for G5 fans. Apple WANTS to get faster desktops out in the worst way but they wouldn't ship Apollos and immediately make them obsolete with G5s. I think the Apollo will be the next TiBook chip instead. Look for both in March.

[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>I think the key thing is that Apple did not even touch the powermacs.

Now, combine that with the new iMac getting a G4, and I think the writing is one the wall for the next Powermacs: we will have G5 powermacs very soon.

All in all, a solid expo, but Apple hyped it a bit too much.

But damn, that new iMac is awesome! I want one. It's a fine piece of engineering, and the best part is that it has a G4. Now that the iMac has altivec, more developers will code for it, and the MHz gap will become even less important.

Really, if you think about it, these new iMacs are freakin' FAST. They are even pretty good for graphics, with 32 MB vRAM, that's not bad for gaming.

My only complaint is that the video card isn't upgradable. But I would have been surprised if it were...this is the disposable iMac that everyone knows and loves.</strong><hr></blockquote>

JD, I love your posts. I really do. I am NOT being sarcastic. You are right. I think I would be way more pissed if they gave the PM a small bump and kept everything else on it the same.

This way, hope for G5 exists. It could even be announced tomorrow....but I doubt it. Perhaps a special event in late January.....that would rock.

[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</p>

I'm marking your words applenut.

Mark mine: We will get a rehashed G4 with no significant case improvements, and a less functional motherboard than is rumored at the same prices or higher no earlier than February 15.

[quote]Originally posted by MacAddict:
<strong>I'm marking your words applenut.

Mark mine: We will get a rehashed G4 with no significant case improvements, and a less functional motherboard than is rumored at the same prices or higher no earlier than February 15.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If that was all, it would have been announced today. Steve is swinging for the fences now. Home runs or strikeouts for the rest of the year - no bunts allowed!

[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
<strong> It's like i said Apple Computers are soooo slowwwwwww!! Ha, Ha,!!!!!!!
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Good, keep saying that as you take your troll ass back to where you crawled from asshole :o

I agree...we wanted an LCD iMac and we complained
that it would have a G-3 etc..Look at what we got.
Good prices,DVD-R,G-4,CDRW,etc.A true High-Tech
Toy.Plus, Apple is in the spotlight again...Let the orders come.The New iMac has a very innovative
design.We will get a true High-End PowerMac..but we have to sit back and relax.It will come soon enough.Apple Computer,Inc. is back on track.They already have the G-5 in the Apple labs but they need to market it correctly.In a couple of months it will come.Today was a good day...

[quote]Originally posted by MacAddict:
<strong>I'm marking your words applenut.

Mark mine: We will get a rehashed G4 with no significant case improvements, and a less functional motherboard than is rumored at the same prices or higher no earlier than February 15.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh yea, the new white keyboard and white mouse will go real well with the silver QS case

And given the awesome pricing on the iMacs Apple will instead raise prices on the towers?

As long as I can get a PowerMac on eBay for under a $1000...then the G4 imac will be worth it.

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>PowerMac G5 will be here within 6 weeks. Mark my words. It was suppose to be released today but obviously something changed that</strong><hr></blockquote>

Is that from your source? Man, I hope so. A special event I guess?

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>PowerMac G5 will be here within 6 weeks. Mark my words. It was suppose to be released today but obviously something changed that</strong><hr></blockquote>

Could that be why the keynote went from a planned 2.5 hours to 2 hours?

Here's hoping you're right!! As much as I enjoy my "Frankenstein" 9600, I'd like to get a new Tower w/ G5, DDR, Etc.

[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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Is that from your source? Man, I hope so. A special event I guess?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apple apparently has 2 events going in February.
1) Quicktime Feb 11, Beverly Hills, CA
2) Seybold Feb 18 (I think), NY

I have a feeling that the G5 got pulled at the last minute.... wasn't this keynote at one time supposed to be 2 1/2 hours long? What was supposed to be shown during that 1/2 they cut? "One more thing..."?

[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>PowerMac G5 will be here within 6 weeks. Mark my words. It was suppose to be released today but obviously something changed that</strong><hr></blockquote>

I REALLY hope you are right. However I only have less than 3 weeks to make the purchase decision

[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
[QB]I think the key thing is that Apple did not even touch the powermacs.
QB]<hr></blockquote>

This is a GREAT point and is the Key... The fact that they didn't so much as get mentioned leaves me to believe we are in for a healthy update soon. (besides the fact that the iMac is just as powerfull as the PM's now and comes with an LCD).

The only problem I am having is that I've been saving up for a mid to highend PM and now I'm falling in love with the new iMac and I don't know what to do!!!
:confused: <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

May I add, I really really really like the look of the new keyboard and mouse? I think it's an improvement over the black one I'm typing on right now.

everybody should have expected that there wouldn't be no new powermac's at the expo was because the saviings on the lcd's continues till the 31st of jan. which means probably during the first week of feb or the quicktime live which for some reason was cancelled in october (or was it november) maybe they wanted to have an event and apple knew that the powermac's weren't going ot be ready for the expo

This iMac is truly anither great value in the Apple line-up. A superdrive equiped G4 with an 800 Mhz processor and a 15 inch flat panel a year ago costed $4,500 (and it was a 733 a year ago).

WHAT AN INCREDIBLE VALUE!

[quote]They already have the G-5 in the Apple labs but they need to market it correctly.<hr></blockquote>
Market it correctly? Damn are you thick in the head boy. If the damn thing is as fast as the rumors [god knows there are NO facts concerning the G5] claim don't you think the fsking thing will market itself. Or do you think the desperate masses of Mac using pros will be so dumbstruck that they'll be unable to remember where they left their credit cards?

You know for all this speculation has anyone truly seen (not rumored) any indication that Apple really has anything in the pipe more than what they have right now?

Even the new iMac (with it's 3 month long ramp up) does not exceed or change anything about current Apple tech. It provides the current Apple tech at a lower price, but there are no changes in that tech.

The iMac is 800 mhz g4,100 mhz, sdram, gf2mx, ata/66. Absolutely nothing new there in fact I would call the 100 mhz a significant step backwards. There is not a SINGLE innovation hardware-wise.

Is the iMac an appealing design, probably. Do the iApps add value the computing experience that we call Macintosh. Yes they do and they add enough value to even justify a higher price. However the iMac does not showcase a SINGLE new hardware innovation.

It is the same ol'Apple. Yesterdays tech at today's price with a due date of tomorrow.

If anything I think this shows there is NO direction with regard to processor speed. Apple had a lot of trouble delivering the 700 mhz iMacs. (very similar long ramp up and very limited availability) Now the 700 mhz is gone and we see 600 mhz everywhere. (700 mhz G4 will return in its place but in MARCH)

Likewise 800 mhz seems like the number they can hit right now with G4's. They offer them in duels (means they can obviously get enough) and they also offer them in the new iMac.

I think the real reason we haven't seen upgrades in the PowerMac line is because they would have to take the same strategy they have in all their other lines. This means that they offer a single processor and have to use drives, ram and graphics to differenciate.

The problem with this of course is that it allows you to charge about $500-$1000 instead of the $2000 Apple currently fetches.

Nick