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post #41 of 120
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

It's like a Porsche with a 1 gallon fuel tank

exactly. much like the iPhone except it has a .5 gal tank and when the battery runs down, you have to mail it in, OR pay for a loaner.

might as well wait for the 16GB iPhone to arrive. The Pogue's comments in the NY Times that there's no external volume buttons or earbud clicker (like the iFone) make one wonder what the designers were thinking.

http://tinyurl.com/2gpg5u
post #42 of 120
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

And real web designers use Flash. Flash is the whore house of the internet; nothing but eye catching fluff that will give you nothing substantial but try to empty your wallet at the same time.

You are getting a full browser by all 'real' definitions of the word. Windows users don't say theu aren't getting a 'real browser' because they haven't installed QuictkTime.

Last I heard, Flash 7 is pure crap and only runs on the ARM CPU. There is no Flash 9 for the ARM CPU. On top of that, Flash 9 for OS X Tiger is pretty bad all around. Adobe has a lot of work to do to get Flash functional on the Mac much less the iPhone. Furthermore, Flash is software solution. Id est, any Flash site will drain you battery quite rapidly.

Adobe really needs to come up with a Flash chipset updated via firmware if it wants to keep it's Flash monopoly into the next decade. This would render pages faster and use much less power.

No offense, but this all sounds like Apple apologist crap. While it may all basically be true in principle, the fact is that many websites use Flash and that many websites are also rendered useless without Flash (even if they shouldn't be). And Flash is far more widely used than Quicktime, so I would almost consider a browser without Flash not a "real browser." Maybe Flash would rapidly drain the battery, but it should still be available on the iPhone/iPod Touch as an option even if it's turned off by default.
post #43 of 120
It may be a daft little feature, but I wonder if you can set yourself a background image?

Edit: never mind, I found it in the manual, and you can set a photo as a wallpaper.
post #44 of 120
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Flash is the whore house of the internet; nothing but eye catching fluff that will give you nothing substantial but try to empty your wallet at the same time.

Lots of "real" websites use Flash brilliantly as a means to display complex, animated technical information. Just because the sites you choose to visit only use it for pop-ups and fluff ads doesn't make it a evil tool used only by "whores." Perhaps you need to broaden your internet experience a bit.
post #45 of 120
I'm a little perturbed that you can't add calendar items with iPod touch. To me that's a deal breaker. I'd buy it sooner than later if it had this functionality and ditch my Palm. Guess not now.

It'd be nice if it had a built in speaker, too.
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post #46 of 120
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

It's like a Porsche with a 1 gallon fuel tank

My god people make to much out of memory, is it so hard to create playlists. I've had an iTunes from day one, and have most of my CDs (at least everyone I've needed to listen to in the last 10 years) on my iTunes and its still only takes up 5.18GB (which is probably far more than your average user). Now I know video takes up a ton of space, but seriously why would you need to carry that much around, just sync what you need. Thats what I've been doing with my iPhone and its not been a problem.

If you need more than 16GB of space your a pack rat, and its a joke cause you probably don't listen/watch even 10% of what you have in your collection.
post #47 of 120
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

And real web designers use Flash. Flash is the whore house of the internet; nothing but eye catching fluff that will give you nothing substantial but try to empty your wallet at the same time.

It's not entirely useless.

Take a look at the flash applet here:

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=AAPL

You can compare, on the fly, several stocks at the same time and set arbitrary timelines by moving or lengthening the slider. I don't know what other common web technology can do that. There are other sites that do similar things too.

I think Quicktime had that sort of potential, but Apple really dropped the ball on that one, repeatedly, it's almost as if they push it back in time farther everytime.


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You are getting a full browser by all 'real' definitions of the word. Windows users don't say theu aren't getting a 'real browser' because they haven't installed QuictkTime.

That's just silly, because Flash has about 99% penetration on web-capable computers and devices, Quicktime has 50%. Flash is a de-facto part of the web experience, whether or not it's always used towards good ends.
post #48 of 120
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Originally Posted by imacFP View Post

MacWorld did a video first look and one interesting thing they pointed out is that you can't add events to the Touch calendar as you can in the iPhone. Weird.

That was a nice service for us "complainers" who plan to wait until Apple (re)implements this feature into the Touch. Thanks, Macworld.
post #49 of 120
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Originally Posted by Judgegavel View Post

If you need more than 16GB of space your a pack rat, and its a joke cause you probably don't listen/watch even 10% of what you have in your collection.

I don't think that's necessarily true, I have at least twice that, but I'm more than happy with a 4GB first gen nano, and my 1GB nano has proven to be quite serviceable too. I use smart playlists to make iTunes put in new songs to replace the ones that were played.

The need to carry ones entire collection around is kind of a psychological one. In terms of music, 16GB is maybe 20x more music than one can listen to on a charge, and the excess gives you plenty to skip and plenty of room for videos too. iTunes can easily change out that much data while charging too.

I think the Porsche analogy is that demanding 80GB capacity would be equivalent to demanding a large enough gas tank to do a US coast-to-coast road trip on one fill-up.
post #50 of 120
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Originally Posted by Judgegavel View Post


If you need more than 16GB of space your a pack rat, and its a joke cause you probably don't listen/watch even 10% of what you have in your collection.

It's a wonder to me how easily people resort to name-calling when civil transaction of opposing views would do just as well.

I have 18 GB of music, videos, and spoken word on my Mac, and I reject your characterization. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn I'm within one standard deviation of the mean.

Anyone else want to bite?
post #51 of 120
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Originally Posted by TheKid2020 View Post

What do you mean you cannot use FireWire with your iPods? I use Firewire for my 4G 20gb iPod that just died on me, and my girlfriends Mini... I personally think Firewire is faster and better than USB. Plus you get higher wattage via Firewire than you would with USB, so charging your iPods/iPhones would be faster.

Firewire was dropped starting with the first gen nano and 5th gen iPod. No newer iPod will sync using Firewire.

I've never really noticed a charge speed difference either way. It was kind of a big deal when Apple switched over because a good share of their Mac installed base only had USB 1.1. That's not the case anymore, the argument's long dead and mostly pointless now.
post #52 of 120
On the iPhone and iPod touch, say that you go on a webpage that has a quicktime movie embedded in the page, can you click play and it'll play??

Also can you see Flip4Mac doing codecs to play WMA's
And Realplayer?
post #53 of 120
Uuuuuhhhhh, it's so very tempting, but useless for me without a VPN client with decent IPSec support. I don't think it even comes with the iPhone's VPN, which isn't enough for lots of university networks anyways. When someone jailbreaks this sucker and releases a native VPN client with full Cisco compatibility (isn't that what Cisco demanded during the naming controversy?), I'll grab one instantly.
post #54 of 120
I asked for one specifically by name in the San Francisco store on the 12th and the (12 yr old) store employee told me that they wouldn't have them for several weeks. He said that was Apple's MO; i.e. announce something new but not ship it for several weeks. I tried to explain to him that this was a bit unusual for them but he would hear nothing of it. I let it drop at that, realizing he hadn't been born yet when I saw my first Mac. Big mistake, I should have been more persistent and talked to someone else. I'm sure someone must have known their arrival was imminent. Maybe I'll try at another store instead of waiting for the one I pre-ordered on the 5th.
post #55 of 120
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Originally Posted by CoolHandPete View Post

I have 18 GB of music, videos, and spoken word on my Mac, and I reject your characterization. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn I'm within one standard deviation of the mean.

I personally think you're very much in the minority, but even with that much (btw what % of that is video), why the need to have every bit with you at all times, or the aversion to simply be able to manage it through playlists and simple syncs. Of the 50+ iPod owners I know, not one (even audiophiles and DJ's) have over 10GB of music or spoken word. Video of course is a different animal taken up an exorbitant amount of room, but I just cant see a reason you would need to have a whole library of video on your iPod/iPhone.

BTW, sorry your so sensitive about name calling, I really didn't think what I said would be offensive to anyone just their narrow views. The point was to create a heated debate which is exactly what I have accomplished.
post #56 of 120
i admit to having a little bit of housecleaning to do, but i have basically 60 GB of music/podcasts in my itunes (mostly in either 320 or Apple Lossless).

that said, i am very tempted by the new nano. i do think it would help me create much better playlists.
post #57 of 120
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Originally Posted by Judgegavel View Post

My god people make to much out of memory, is it so hard to create playlists. I've had an iTunes from day one, and have most of my CDs (at least everyone I've needed to listen to in the last 10 years) on my iTunes and its still only takes up 5.18GB (which is probably far more than your average user). Now I know video takes up a ton of space, but seriously why would you need to carry that much around, just sync what you need. Thats what I've been doing with my iPhone and its not been a problem.

If you need more than 16GB of space your a pack rat, and its a joke cause you probably don't listen/watch even 10% of what you have in your collection.

My 3rd gen 15gb is full. I have had to take off the entire Beatles and JS Bach collections and park them on the HD of my wifes computer. Even then, I have no more than about 1/3 of my CD collection ripped. I need a lot more than 16gb.

I listen to music rather than watch TV. I use smart playlists so I can play stuff with low play counts and cycle through stuff I may not have chosen in a while. Most of the time I have it on random play. I might need 50-60gb before you even mention video.

A lot depends on the bit rate you rip at. I use 224 kbps AAC so the files take up more space than 128.

I frequently delete stuff I think I might not wish to hear again, just to make room for new stuff.

They should combine the Touch and 160gb classic - then you would have something, but as it is, the Touch is a cripple in my book - pretty, but fatally flawed.
post #58 of 120
iPod Touch in stock now at the 5th Avenue store in Manhattan. 16 gb only.
post #59 of 120
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

Firewire was dropped starting with the first gen nano and 5th gen iPod. No newer iPod will sync using Firewire.

I've never really noticed a charge speed difference either way. It was kind of a big deal when Apple switched over because a good share of their Mac installed base only had USB 1.1. That's not the case anymore, the argument's long dead and mostly pointless now.

Well I still use a Ti Powerbook so it IS still an issue with me.
post #60 of 120
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Originally Posted by spine View Post

Am I the only one who hopes the 1 button will disappear on future models?.... Also, is anyone else a bit sad that there are no more white iPods?

Yes.

No.
post #61 of 120
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Originally Posted by Judgegavel View Post

BTW, sorry your so sensitive about name calling, I really didn't think what I said would be offensive to anyone just their narrow views. The point was to create a heated debate which is exactly what I have accomplished.

Wait, aren't you supposed to create heated debate by arguing the facts rather than engaging in ad hominem attacks? Sorry, but I think that's seriously misusing the word debate. Try mudslinging.

On the actual subject, I don't think it's fair to discount video as a "different story." One of the major selling points of this device is having this great display that makes video truly watchable. As you've stated, video takes up a lot of room, which means storage is critical. The Touch just doesn't have enough space to truly make that gorgeous screen useful. Now, I think it is unfair for people to criticize Apple for not including enough space, because if they made this a hard drive device the same people would complain about thickness and battery life, and probably the speed of the OS as well. Truth is, flash technology is just not yet advanced enough to make our dream device possible. In a few years, largely due to Apple selling a ton of flash-based iPods, we'll see high-storage flash options that are cost effective and true convergence devices. For now, we have to live with technological constraints and appreciate devices for what they are, which in this case is a really nice portable browser and media player but not, like the classic, a portable media center.
post #62 of 120
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Originally Posted by imacFP View Post

MacWorld did a video first look and one interesting thing they pointed out is that you can't add events to the Touch calendar as you can in the iPhone. Weird.

No notes, no calendar, no e-mail. No SDK for 3rd party apps. No useful VPN support.

To steal from another poster ...
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

It's like a Porsche with a 1 gallon fuel tank

That about sums it up. I really hope Apple takes addressing these issues seriously. The iPod touch sounded tempting when announced, but in its current state, it's pretty easy to pass.

BTW, the article seems to make a big deal out of the display stand ... for watching video oriented horizontally, it makes perfect sense, and you don't want it to be huge for travel. One could certainly argue for Bluetooth, a mic (or mic port), or speakers, but the failing in the iPod touch really isn't the hardware or OS ... it's the weak selection of end user apps (especially when you know the others exist) and the lack of support for 3rd party ones.
post #63 of 120
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Originally Posted by gloss View Post

That piece of plastic looks like it's there to help bind the USB cable.

It's a stand!
post #64 of 120
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Originally Posted by pmjoe View Post

No notes, no calendar, no e-mail. No SDK for 3rd party apps. No useful VPN support.

To steal from another poster ...

That about sums it up. I really hope Apple takes addressing these issues seriously. The iPod touch sounded tempting when announced, but in its current state, it's pretty easy to pass.

BTW, the article seems to make a big deal out of the display stand ... for watching video oriented horizontally, it makes perfect sense, and you don't want it to be huge for travel. One could certainly argue for Bluetooth, a mic (or mic port), or speakers, but the failing in the iPod touch really isn't the hardware or OS ... it's the weak selection of end user apps (especially when you know the others exist) and the lack of support for 3rd party ones.

The thing is I want my iPod touch to be just that - an iPod, I don't wan't it to be laden with loads of PDA functions - that's my requirement. For me it is not easy to pass, as I suspect it will not be for many others who just want an iPod.
post #65 of 120
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Originally Posted by Judgegavel View Post

I personally think you're very much in the minority, but even with that much (btw what % of that is video), why the need to have every bit with you at all times, or the aversion to simply be able to manage it through playlists and simple syncs. Of the 50+ iPod owners I know, not one (even audiophiles and DJ's) have over 10GB of music or spoken word.

I use an 80GB 5.5G, currently with 16,422 songs (NOT my entire music collection, but a majority); a 60GB 4G modded (iMod, Redwine Audio) that I use with Apple Lossless (holding about 2,200 songs), and a nano 4GB 1G primarily used with Nike+ system. I have three friends at work, in an office of about 50, using 80GB iPods, and one buying the 160GB. We're all music fans with very little, if any, video. We're also all in our mid to upper 40s, so we've been buying music for a long time.

To me, the most important thing about the iPod is to be able to listen to whatever you want, whenever and wherever you want. Why manage playlists when the hard drive can carry most everything? It's not a need to carry everything with me, but a desire to be able to listen to any music that strikes me, at any time.
post #66 of 120
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

The need to carry ones entire collection around is kind of a psychological one. In terms of music, 16GB is maybe 20x more music than one can listen to on a charge, and the excess gives you plenty to skip and plenty of room for videos too. iTunes can easily change out that much data while charging too.

Your rationale assumes that people only charge their iPods in one location. I want to charge mine in my car. I certainly can't swap out my playlists in my car.

Also, I don't want to have to decide what music I want to listen to every morning before I leave the house, or even once per week. If I have my entire collection with me, then I can decide what music to listen to at the time I actually want to listen to music. What a concept!

Labelling other people's needs as purely "psychological" does not make sense. You could apply that logic to politics, religion, or anything else. That doesn't mean people should think and act like you do.
post #67 of 120
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Originally Posted by F1Turbo View Post

I use an 80GB 5.5G, currently with 16,422 songs (NOT my entire music collection, but a majority); a 60GB 4G modded (iMod, Redwine Audio) that I use with Apple Lossless (holding about 2,200 songs), and a nano 4GB 1G primarily used with Nike+ system. I have three friends at work, in an office of about 50, using 80GB iPods, and one buying the 160GB. We're all music fans with very little, if any, video. We're also all in our mid to upper 40s, so we've been buying music for a long time.

To me, the most important thing about the iPod is to be able to listen to whatever you want, whenever and wherever you want. Why manage playlists when the hard drive can carry most everything? It's not a need to carry everything with me, but a desire to be able to listen to any music that strikes me, at any time.

So an iPod classic is ideal for you.

I used to have an iPod photo 60GB that held my whole collection, but I sold it last week and will use the iPod touch as my main iPod. I have no issue not having all the music in my library with me. Some of it I will never have played anyway, or at the most once. When I studied my music habits I stick to a limited amount of music at any one time. In fact the music I play most is in a special playlist I made that does the following.

I went through my entire music collection (all 14400 legal tracks) and marked all my favourites with a rating of 4 stars or more (that is 2451 tracks). I then set up a playlist that plays tracks that are rated 4 stars or above, that have not been played in the last 3 months, selected by those with the lowest playcount. I exclude Books and Spoken, Holiday and Christmas Genres. I also make sure it selects tracks with a time of less than 7 minutes to exclude some of the longer classical pieces. What I end up with is a great playlist that is like having my own radio station, playing favourite tracks I have not heard for a while. I limit the size to 1GB so that I can have other smart playlists that do similar to the above, or just leave space for some manual selections in a playlist. I also make sure I have a playlist that contains 1GB of all the latest additions to my iTunes library, after all these are usually 'hot' favourites or being discovered.

Ian
post #68 of 120
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Originally Posted by Gustav View Post

Your rationale assumes that people only charge their iPods in one location. I want to charge mine in my car. I certainly can't swap out my playlists in my car.

Also, I don't want to have to decide what music I want to listen to every morning before I leave the house, or even once per week. If I have my entire collection with me, then I can decide what music to listen to at the time I actually want to listen to music. What a concept!

Labelling other people's needs as purely "psychological" does not make sense. You could apply that logic to politics, religion, or anything else. That doesn't mean people should think and act like you do.

I'm not sure the iPod touch is an ideal product for use in the car, it needs to much visual attention to use while driving. In fact doing so in the UK would be a criminal offence.
post #69 of 120
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Originally Posted by Gustav View Post

Your rationale assumes that people only charge their iPods in one location. I want to charge mine in my car. I certainly can't swap out my playlists in my car.

Also, I don't want to have to decide what music I want to listen to every morning before I leave the house, or even once per week.

I really don't think you understand what I mean. One doesn't have to manually decide anything. You don't have to manually manage the music. That's not how I do it. Manual playlists are usually a waste of time anyway, make a smart playlist, set the parameters and it barely has to be touched again. I don't decide exactly what to listen to on any given morning before I go. If you're driving, you shouldn't be fussing with the device at all while driving anyway.

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Labelling other people's needs as purely "psychological" does not make sense. You could apply that logic to politics, religion, or anything else. That doesn't mean people should think and act like you do.

I don't really see the problem, it's not a label. It's a difference in psychology, that's all I see to it. None of us really need any of these players at all, it's about what we want. I'm not saying you are bad or defficient, it's just different.
post #70 of 120
Anyone have a clue yet about battery life using WiFi?
post #71 of 120
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I don't think that's necessarily true, I have at least twice that, but I'm more than happy with a 4GB first gen nano, and my 1GB nano has proven to be quite serviceable too. I use smart playlists to make iTunes put in new songs to replace the ones that were played.

The need to carry ones entire collection around is kind of a psychological one. In terms of music, 16GB is maybe 20x more music than one can listen to on a charge, and the excess gives you plenty to skip and plenty of room for videos too. iTunes can easily change out that much data while charging too.

I think the Porsche analogy is that demanding 80GB capacity would be equivalent to demanding a large enough gas tank to do a US coast-to-coast road trip on one fill-up.

OR, like complaining that a Porsche has a small trunk. The Touch is made to be slim, fast and have decent battery life. Those would be impossible with a harddrive. Even if you didn't mind it being thick, I think battery life would be unmarketable with HDD+Big Display+WiFi+MultiTouch+Sensors(Accelerometer, Light)!
post #72 of 120
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Originally Posted by terrillja View Post

Anyone have a clue yet about battery life using WiFi?

Comparing it to the iPhone's audio and video playback times (24 hrs, 7 hrs) the Touch has a bit less capacity (22 hrs, 5 hrs). The iPhone's internet use is rated at 6 hours, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume the Touch gets a little less than this.
post #73 of 120
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Originally Posted by zanshin View Post

Lots of "real" websites use Flash brilliantly as a means to display complex, animated technical information. Just because the sites you choose to visit only use it for pop-ups and fluff ads doesn't make it a evil tool used only by "whores." Perhaps you need to broaden your internet experience a bit.

Agreed that the vitriol is a bit over the top, but the problem is not creative use of animation as much as it it the issue of 'standards-based' vs 'proprietary' (i.e. H.264 vs Flash)

For a more thoughtful discussion of the issue, see...
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM...BBA7C7A85.html
post #74 of 120
I read that many headsets (notably the Shure's) didn't fit into the recessed jack on the iPhone. Since the jack is in a different place on this device, does anyone know if it has the same issues as the iPhone?

Thanks
Colin
post #75 of 120
I personally have 150+ GB of mp3s on my PC. Most of them are ripped @ 192 kbps, but there a few here and there that are 128 and some that are 320.

I have never even considered trying to have it all on a portable device.

I guess I could get a reallllly loooong extension cord and take my PC everywhere I go. Now, if I could just figure out how to not run over the extension cord and yank my PC out through the windshield of my car.

By the way, is it just the Apple stores that have these now, or do places like Best Buy have them hidden under a counter somewhere also?
post #76 of 120
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Originally Posted by parky View Post

So an iPod classic is ideal for you.

I used to have an iPod photo 60GB that held my whole collection, but I sold it last week and will use the iPod touch as my main iPod. I have no issue not having all the music in my library with me. Some of it I will never have played anyway, or at the most once. When I studied my music habits I stick to a limited amount of music at any one time. In fact the music I play most is in a special playlist I made that does the following.

I went through my entire music collection (all 14400 legal tracks) and marked all my favourites with a rating of 4 stars or more (that is 2451 tracks). I then set up a playlist that plays tracks that are rated 4 stars or above, that have not been played in the last 3 months, selected by those with the lowest playcount. I exclude Books and Spoken, Holiday and Christmas Genres. I also make sure it selects tracks with a time of less than 7 minutes to exclude some of the longer classical pieces. What I end up with is a great playlist that is like having my own radio station, playing favourite tracks I have not heard for a while. I limit the size to 1GB so that I can have other smart playlists that do similar to the above, or just leave space for some manual selections in a playlist. I also make sure I have a playlist that contains 1GB of all the latest additions to my iTunes library, after all these are usually 'hot' favourites or being discovered.

Ian


My main point was that there ARE people who want more than 10 GB of space, as the OP said he knows of no one who does. I do use a smart playlist almost identical (rating and hasn't been played recently) to yours (especially nice with the nano), but I don't want to be tied to just that. I appreciate your viewpoint, and think that's the best part of the current iPod lineup--something for everyone.

While I probably use the iPod Classic (actually 80GB 5.5G) most, I wouldn't call it my ideal iPod. My ideal iPod would have WAY more capacity than the current Classic (enabling me to listen to everything in ALAC), the small size of the nano, the WiFi and nice screen of the Touch, with additional features such as bluetooth, usb/firewire ports and OS X open to developers. Obviously impossible with current technology, but how much of this could be done now (excluding nano sizing) to make it the Mac Ultraportable some of us have been really waiting for?
post #77 of 120
So the Wifi with the touch cannot play any flash based content? So no internet games on addictinggames.com or shockwave.com? What about sites, burton.com wont work? Apple says its not watered down version of the internet....if those sites don't work that most definitely seems false.
What about email? Can I not check my yahoo mail or gmail on its wifi?
Also, anyone have a guess on when these will ship from apple? I don't feel like driving 2 hours to an apple store.

Thanks in advane

P.S. you guys need to stop arguing about the storage. Some people need more storage, some don't. Leave it at that?
post #78 of 120
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Originally Posted by burton_tool View Post

So the Wifi with the touch cannot play any flash based content? So no internet games on addictinggames.com or shockwave.com? What about sites, burton.com wont work? Apple says its not watered down version of the internet....if those sites don't work that most definitely seems false.
What about email? Can I not check my yahoo mail or gmail on its wifi?
Also, anyone have a guess on when these will ship from apple? I don't feel like driving 2 hours to an apple store.

Thanks in advane

P.S. you guys need to stop arguing about the storage. Some people need more storage, some don't. Leave it at that?

28th of september.
MacBook Pro
2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
120GB Serial ATA Drive@5400rpm
SuperDrive 8x
15" Glossy Widescreen Display

with a wireless Apple keyboard

and

iPod Touch
8GB
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MacBook Pro
2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
120GB Serial ATA Drive@5400rpm
SuperDrive 8x
15" Glossy Widescreen Display

with a wireless Apple keyboard

and

iPod Touch
8GB
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post #79 of 120
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Flash is a de-facto part of the web experience, whether or not it's always used towards good ends.

I do see your point. But in general surfing around on the internet with the iPhone for the most part you don't notice much lost functionality without flash. Mostly you see empty panels that are flash video and ads. I've been to a couple of websites that are rendered completely useless without flash support but not very many.

On the other hand. I've seen many developers complain that flash for OS X is horrible. Which makes it possible that using flash currently on the iPhone would be a bad experience, hence Apple left it off. Apple may be using this slight as a way to push Adobe to do something about the situation. Hopefully they will work something out in the near future.
post #80 of 120
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What about email? Can I not check my yahoo mail or gmail on its wifi?

Yes you can check your web based mail.
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