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post #81 of 120
I'd really like one but until they put mail, maps, stocks, weather and maybe even real iChat on it then Apple can't have my money. These are not phone applications, they're web applications. Do Macbooks have mail, stocks, weather, maps and iChat? Yes they do. Are they phones? No, so I should not have to buy a freeking iPhone to use those applications but not on a iPod Touch?

I love Apple but sometimes they drive me NUTS\.
post #82 of 120
Will you really make productive use of all those apps or just don't want to feel you are being left out? I'm sure at this point Apples priority is to differentiate the iPhone and iPod Touch. The point is develop them into two distinct product categories. To do that you don't want too much overlap.

The iPod Touch could make a great PDA so as time goes on I'm sure they will share many of the same apps.
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Wait, aren't you supposed to create heated debate by arguing the facts rather than engaging in ad hominem attacks? Sorry, but I think that's seriously misusing the word debate. Try mudslinging.

On the actual subject, I don't think it's fair to discount video as a "different story." One of the major selling points of this device is having this great display that makes video truly watchable. As you've stated, video takes up a lot of room, which means storage is critical. The Touch just doesn't have enough space to truly make that gorgeous screen useful.

lol, seriously do you spend much time on internet forums, if my post truly offended you, you really need to learn to take what's posted with a grain of salt. Its was all opinion btw so your point about facts is kinda moot.

As for your point about the video, I find my iPhone screen great, but I didn't buy it for video, no matter how good it is after about 10-15 mins. of watching video on any 3.5" screen it makes you go blind, the screen is just to small for movies or anything more than a quick video. With that I have no problem with keeping a couple of episodes of scrubs and a few video clips on my iPhone along with 4gb of music I have on my play lists.

There are always going to be people who have a retarded amount of music and actually need 80GB+, but those are few and far between. For most it seems 5-10GB is sufficient.
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Will you really make productive use of all those apps or just don't want to feel you are being left out?

I personally would use the calendar app on an iPod touch/iPhone more than I would the iPod functionality. Not being able to input new appointments is a deal breaker, pure and simple.

Seeing as though I'd have to sign up for AT&T to get an iPhone (or go through the hassle of unlocking it), I'm not really interested in that scenario. I'm very happy with T-Mobile and have been a customer since before T-Mobile took over Voicestream took over Aerial. Yeah.
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post #85 of 120
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lol, seriously do you spend much time on internet forums, if my post truly offended you, you really need to learn to take what's posted with a grain of salt. Its was all opinion btw so your point about facts is kinda moot.

No, it didn't offend me, I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't use ad hominems to start "heated debates," for moral and etymological reasons. Also, I think I may have two or three more posts than you on these forums, so do watch what you say.

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As for your point about the video, I find my iPhone screen great, but I didn't buy it for video, no matter how good it is after about 10-15 mins. of watching video on any 3.5" screen it makes you go blind, the screen is just to small for movies or anything more than a quick video.

That's a valid opinion, certainly, but I think you're looking at it in terms of traditional TV entertainment. Others (I among them) will argue that it's probably the best portable viewing experience out there. Sure there are bigger portable screens, but how many do you actually want to put in your pocket? I tested a friend's iPhone on this point extensively, and I found video very watchable, even for really wide shots in 16:9, which is something that's pretty useless on my 5.5G iPod. Having spent hours watching video on that device's 2.5" 4:3 screen myself, I assure you that you will not go blind on the iPhone's, which is a screen I would personally really enjoy watching videos on.

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There are always going to be people who have a retarded amount of music and actually need 80GB+, but those are few and far between. For most it seems 5-10GB is sufficient.

I have 7GBs of music, which is the very very low end among my friends. Plus, there is something to be said about carrying around your entire CD library and using the thing as a media center, not just a player (see my previous post), and this is where the Touch falls short. Just because you use your device as more of a player and less as a media center doesn't mean those other uses aren't valid ones. And again, discounting video in this context is a mistake. One of my favorite uses for my 80gb 5.5G iPod is storing a huge video collection and plugging it into TVs on the go. It's made hotels, tailgates, parties and just hanging out with friends much more enjoyable, and it's not something you can do with a Touch.

Now before you say anything rash, do remember that at the end of my last post I made a point of evaluating the Touch for what it is, which is one heck of a media player, but not really a media center. I also pointed out that it wasn't really Apple's fault, but more that flash technology just hasn't advanced enough where lots of storage is affordable. My original point, however, remains that there are valid reasons to want lots of storage, and I think you've continued to overlook those reasons here.
post #86 of 120
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Will you really make productive use of all those apps or just don't want to feel you are being left out? I'm sure at this point Apples priority is to differentiate the iPhone and iPod Touch. The point is develop them into two distinct product categories. To do that you don't want too much overlap.

The iPod Touch could make a great PDA so as time goes on I'm sure they will share many of the same apps.

I just went over to Apple Store in Emeryville and picked up a Touch.
Yup, doesn't do everything I'd ultimately like, but guess what? My original Mac Plus didn't originally do nearly as much as even this little bugger. There's this stuff inside called 'operating system' and 'software'. It think its going to be kinda fun watching new apps and functionality pop up over the next year.

In the meantime, god is this thing beautiful.

(do wish it had a camera tho'.)
post #87 of 120
BTW, I had always heard that the orientation sensor only allowed the iPhone to be used upright or when rotated 1/4 counterclockwise. But the Touch orients to any of the 4 directions, via either left or right rotation.
(Just occured to me when someone complained that you couldn't use the little plastic stand in portrait mode. that's not true.)
post #88 of 120
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No, it didn't offend me, I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't use ad hominems to start "heated debates," for moral and etymological reasons. Also, I think I may have two or three more posts than you on these forums, so do watch what you say.



That's a valid opinion, certainly, but I think you're looking at it in terms of traditional TV entertainment. Others (I among them) will argue that it's probably the best portable viewing experience out there. Sure there are bigger portable screens, but how many do you actually want to put in your pocket? I tested a friend's iPhone on this point extensively, and I found video very watchable, even for really wide shots in 16:9, which is something that's pretty useless on my 5.5G iPod. Having spent hours watching video on that device's 2.5" 4:3 screen myself, I assure you that you will not go blind on the iPhone's, which is a screen I would personally really enjoy watching videos on.



I have 7GBs of music, which is the very very low end among my friends. Plus, there is something to be said about carrying around your entire CD library and using the thing as a media center, not just a player (see my previous post), and this is where the Touch falls short. Just because you use your device as more of a player and less as a media center doesn't mean those other uses aren't valid ones. And again, discounting video in this context is a mistake. One of my favorite uses for my 80gb 5.5G iPod is storing a huge video collection and plugging it into TVs on the go. It's made hotels, tailgates, parties and just hanging out with friends much more enjoyable, and it's not something you can do with a Touch.

Now before you say anything rash, do remember that at the end of my last post I made a point of evaluating the Touch for what it is, which is one heck of a media player, but not really a media center. I also pointed out that it wasn't really Apple's fault, but more that flash technology just hasn't advanced enough where lots of storage is affordable. My original point, however, remains that there are valid reasons to want lots of storage, and I think you've continued to overlook those reasons here.

Yeah, I have 86GB of space used on my iTunes server for 192kbps AAC files, and I'm up to the letter "C" in the alphabet on my CD collection. Yes, I do want to take it all around with me. 160Gb is great c/w the 4Gb we started with. I guess with two of the new classics I could have a RAII (Redundant array of inexpensive iPods)...
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Originally Posted by potterhead4 View Post

No, it didn't offend me, I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't use ad hominems to start "heated debates," for moral and etymological reasons. Also, I think I may have two or three more posts than you on these forums, so do watch what you say.

It surely seemed like it did, perhaps I, just like you misinterpreted what you read. Often happens on forums or on the internet in general. As for my number of posts, this is not the only forum on the internet if you would like to see my activity on other forums by all means PM me for details.

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I assure you that you will not go blind on the iPhone's, which is a screen I would personally really enjoy watching videos on.

No "going blind" was what I call an exaggeration, I certainly did not mean you would actually (however future test might prove me wrong). But siting using my iPhone the other day for video I did get a headache after 1 hr of watching video and surfing the net (I was using my own, not just sampling a friends btw)

If you personally really enjoy watching video on a 3.5" screen, good for you, but personally I really don't enjoy watching anything on a screen smaller than 30", and only do it out of necessity.

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I have 7GBs of music, which is the very very low end among my friends.

Excellent, but I would still say you are on the high end of most people (I guess your friends even more so), but even so with 7GBs of music would your really need something larger than 16GB's

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Plus, there is something to be said about carrying around your entire CD library and using the thing as a media center, not just a player (see my previous post), and this is where the Touch falls short. Just because you use your device as more of a player and less as a media center doesn't mean those other uses aren't valid ones.

Right and as you pointed out the Touch is a really great player, so who do you think they are marketing it for. My point is that most people do not need all that memory (for those pack-rats [gasp] that do they make the classic) and I hardly think the analogy of the 16GB (or 8GB even) being like having a porsche with only a 1 gallon gas tank is a valid one.

Yes in a perfect world we would have a 80 or even 160GB iPod touch, but unfortunately we dont, so lets stop all the whining 16GB or 8gb even is fine if well managed for most people.
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It surely seemed like it did, perhaps I, just like you misinterpreted what you read. Often happens on forums or on the internet in general. As for my number of posts, this is not the only forum on the internet if you would like to see my activity on other forums by all means PM me for details.

I think we've gone beyond any useful discussion on this. My point was that you were once again go for an ad hominem rather than debating.

[qupte]No "going blind" was what I call an exaggeration, I certainly did not mean you would actually (however future test might prove me wrong). But siting using my iPhone the other day for video I did get a headache after 1 hr of watching video and surfing the net (I was using my own, not just sampling a friends btw)[/quote]

I was joking. I guess it was, like you say, lost on the internet. As for your headache...I'm no doctor, but you may want to have your eyes checked if you're getting lots of headaches with it. Seriously, that can be a symptom of being farsighted.

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If you personally really enjoy watching video on a 3.5" screen, good for you, but personally I really don't enjoy watching anything on a screen smaller than 30", and only do it out of necessity.

Again, I'm looking at it from a mobile perspective, you're looking at it from a home entertainment perspective. I really enjoy it as a mobile viewing platform. I think it's the perfect size for that use. Of course I'd rather be at home watching my 40" LCD, who wouldn't? But on buses, planes, in bed (I don't have a TV in my bedroom), it's great.

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Excellent, but I would still say you are on the high end of most people (I guess your friends even more so), but even so with 7GBs of music would your really need something larger than 16GB's

I'd like to see some statistics on this before we blindly assume that 7gb is at the high end. Don't ask me to find them, you're the one who's claiming it so you have to back it up with a warrant, not me. There's debate for you. Also, yes, I do need something larger to carry my video collection around so I can a) watch it on that nice screen and b) play it on larger screens.

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Right and as you pointed out the Touch is a really great player, so who do you think they are marketing it for. My point is that most people do not need all that memory (for those pack-rats [gasp] that do they make the classic) and I hardly think the analogy of the 16GB (or 8GB even) being like having a porsche with only a 1 gallon gas tank is a valid one.

Yes in a perfect world we would have a 80 or even 160GB iPod touch, but unfortunately we dont, so lets stop all the whining 16GB or 8gb even is fine if well managed for most people.

Again, you need to understand where these people are coming from. There are very valid uses for large hard drives, and just because someone can use more than 16 gigs doesn't make them a packrat. People like music, people have lots of music, people want to take it with them. Again, the media center vs. player thing that you have yet to respond to. On your last point, I agree that it's a bad analogy and people shouldn't complain, but not because there's no reason to have lots of space.
post #91 of 120
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Again, the media center vs. player thing that you have yet to respond to. On your last point, I agree that it's a bad analogy and people shouldn't complain, but not because there's no reason to have lots of space.

Yet to respond to? What didnt I respond to? If you really need me to wax intellectually on the subject. Some use it for this some dont, those who do have to settle for the iPod classic. I personally do use my iPod as a media center (if you want to call it that) for music. As for video, iTunes video sucks on full size TVs until they get HD, I wouldn't bother. Not to mention with all the different formats that cant be played on or through iPods, my MBP makes a much better media center, and honestly I cant think of a situation I would be using my iPod in that capacity that I wouldn't or couldn't bring my MBP. An iPod no matter what size is fairly limited in this role.

Now back to the subject at hand, the bad anaolgy was what I was attacking, to find the touch iPod basically useless (which a porche with a 1 gallon gas tank would be) because it only has 8 or 16GB is a joke. Again my point isnt that there's no reason to have lots of space, just that most don't need lots of space, and that with 8/16GB the iPod touch is still very useful.

If you look since the introduction of the iPod mini (and G1 Nano after that), the 2g and 4g little iPods have been the best sellers (now yes it has alot to do with price and size) but it just goes to show most people don't need to be pack-rats and carry every bit of music they have around with them (and then some).
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I'm a little perturbed that you can't add calendar items with iPod touch. To me that's a deal breaker. I'd buy it sooner than later if it had this functionality and ditch my Palm.

Seconded! I cannot believe Apple spent time and money to purposely cripple the Calendar feature in the Touch.

I'm going to wait until Apple or third party devs fix the calendar and add a real mail app to the Touch before I buy it.
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Seconded! I cannot believe Apple spent time and money to purposely cripple the Calendar feature in the Touch.

I'm going to wait until Apple or third party devs fix the calendar and add a real mail app to the Touch before I buy it.

So nice to see people making my points for me... there's power in numbers, and from what I have read all over the internet, I can assure you it's not just the three of us.
post #94 of 120
I agree with everyone complaining about the lack of functionality. To those who basically say "stop moaning it's meant to be just an ipod", well, that's an awesome piece of hardware+OS for just playing media, and why include Safari?

There is no doubt that the touch is destined to become a fully-fledged PDA. I just wonder how many iterations Apple will need to go through to get it right. The sad thing is, they could do most of it now, but are deliberately crippling the device to try to create some kind of artificial differentiation from their other products. Regardless of their motivation, it just strikes me as sleazy. The trouble is, every day Apple fumbles with this they are giving their competitors time to develop rival products, which I have no doubt are already on their way. But then again Apple has OSX, and maybe feels that they are in an unreachable position, being able to offer tight integration across its product lines.

I, like many others will not be buying the first version of this product. My girlfriend was very excited about getting one of these until she found out about its software limitations. She'll be keeping her money too. A non-functional calendar on a mobile device? Steve, you've got to be joking...
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I agree with everyone complaining about the lack of functionality. To those who basically say "stop moaning it's meant to be just an ipod", well, that's an awesome piece of hardware+OS for just playing media, and why include Safari?

Well because of the iTunes music store, and they think they are reinventing the music player.

JMHO, but I don't think they will ever make an iPod that is basically a PDA, simply because 1) Thats what they are doing (or basically have done) with the iPhone 2) PDAs that do not included phones are dated, even look at palms line, they are almost solely focusing on the TREO now, and its its best seller by far.
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WOW NO FLASH? I thought APPLE are for designers. I am not buying this then.. I just saved myself $160 cause looks like I'll get the Apple nano 4GB instead. YEA YEA!!!!!!!

Splurge and get the 8GB. I REALLY wish that they were 16GB!!!
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So nice to see people making my points for me... there's power in numbers, and from what I have read all over the internet, I can assure you it's not just the three of us.

But people are always posting about what ________ (insert co. name) didnt include in the lastest (or first) version of ________ (insert product). Truth be told no product will ever be perfect, and you'll always be waiting for some other feature they haven't included yet. So by next year or so when gen 2 touch is released, peoples excuses will be I'm going to wait till they add, iChat, or GPS, or something else.
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............Yes in a perfect world we would have a 80 or even 160GB iPod touch, but unfortunately we dont, so lets stop all the whining 16GB or 8gb even is fine if well managed for most people.

Potterhead4's very civil, rational thoughts on why he would want more storage in the Touch is the furthest thing from "whining" I can imagine.
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post #99 of 120
why does everyone argue like little children. the end result of the ipod touch is as follows: needs more memory, but the extra memory could be lived without seeing as you get so many other features. some can't deal with the minimal memory so just get a ipod classic. that about sums it up. stop arguing.
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why does everyone argue like little children. the end result of the ipod touch is as follows: needs more memory, but the extra memory could be lived without seeing as you get so many other features. some can't deal with the minimal memory so just get a ipod classic. that about sums it up. stop arguing.

I think that's what I've been saying, but I don't think childish describes my form of argumentation.
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But people are always posting about what ________ (insert co. name) didnt include in the lastest (or first) version of ________ (insert product). Truth be told no product will ever be perfect, and you'll always be waiting for some other feature they haven't included yet. So by next year or so when gen 2 touch is released, peoples excuses will be I'm going to wait till they add, iChat, or GPS, or something else.

This would be true, except for the fact that I've been a Mac user for a number of years now, which means that I have always eventually made purchases of Apple products - always after waiting for the machine to have the features I think are appropriate to wait for. With the Powerbook G4, I waited for the audio input and heat issue to be solved (I decided to buy despite the paint-chipping issue, which was a problem I overlooked on my machine). With the Macbook Pro I currently own, I waited for LED-backlighting and dedicated graphics processor.

With the iPod Touch, I'm waiting for Calendar functions. This time, rather than waiting for a technological advance, I'm waiting for the re-activation of an already existing piece of software.

Having said that, I'll continue to mention my hope that they include iSight capability (camera, mic and speakers) and 32 GB storage capacity in the Touch, but neither will prevent my buying the first iteration that includes iCal. I'll be glad if anyone wants to hold me to account for this (i.e., I plan to put my money where my mouth is.)
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I think that's what I've been saying, but I don't think childish describes my form of argumentation.

Do you ever feel there are people who come to these forums to bring in some frustration that they are unable to express in the "real world"? In my view, our discussions often exemplify the kind of discourse that should be held as the standard for exchange in the marketplace of ideas. Other times, they serve as examples of how emotion and vitriol can destroy solution-oriented debate.
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Do you ever feel there are people who come to these forums to bring in some frustration that they are unable to express in the "real world"? In my view, our discussions often exemplify the kind of discourse that should be held as the standard for exchange in the marketplace of ideas. Other times, they serve as examples of how emotion and vitriol can destroy solution-oriented debate.

yes. yes i do.
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I think that's what I've been saying, but I don't think childish describes my form of argumentation.

No? Actually personally calling out my post (which wasn't even in response to you/yours) was about the most juvenile, and self-righteous action in this entire thread.

You want to take the high road (or think you do) then just ignore the comments, no one appointed you the forum standards police.

And that really goes for anyone else who cant see the point in forum arguments/debates (childish or not) no one says you have to read them, or take part in them, and if your posting a reply thats condemning it/them, take a step back and look at what a hypocrite your being.
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Do you ever feel there are people who come to these forums to bring in some frustration that they are unable to express in the "real world"? In my view, our discussions often exemplify the kind of discourse that should be held as the standard for exchange in the marketplace of ideas. Other times, they serve as examples of how emotion and vitriol can destroy solution-oriented debate.

Spoken like a true psychology major.

Or in the good lord's words
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" or
"Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged!"

The hypocrisy on this forum is outstanding tonight, but alas I truly fear for the delicate minds of the children.
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Well because of the iTunes music store, and they think they are reinventing the music player.

JMHO, but I don't think they will ever make an iPod that is basically a PDA, simply because 1) Thats what they are doing (or basically have done) with the iPhone 2) PDAs that do not included phones are dated, even look at palms line, they are almost solely focusing on the TREO now, and its its best seller by far.

It would have been a simple matter to provide a dedicated iTunes client if that were the only intention. What we are witnessing is the emergence of a new mobile computing platform. As to what it's called, that's a marketing strategy to provide inroads for the product, and to create the differentiation I was alluding to. Looking at the bigger picture, with technologies like Wimax around the corner, whether or not there is a "phone" included (in the sense that we currently use the term) won't ultimately make any difference.

Anyway, you will find from reading posts in these forums, some people want a device that includes a phone, some don't. There are many of us who are happy enough with their phones and don't want an all-in-one device, never mind being locked into an expensive contract for years. I don't see the point in making comparisons to Palm; they lost the plot a long time ago. By incorporating a phone they have given their lame devices some useful functionality. Apple is in a different league.
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It would have been a simple matter to provide a dedicated iTunes client if that were the only intention. What we are witnessing is the emergence of a new mobile computing platform. As to what it's called, that's a marketing strategy to provide inroads for the product, and to create the differentiation I was alluding to. Looking at the bigger picture, with technologies like Wimax around the corner, whether or not there is a "phone" included (in the sense that we currently use the term) won't ultimately make any difference.

Anyway, you will find from reading posts in these forums, some people want a device that includes a phone, some don't. There are many of us who are happy enough with their phones and don't want an all-in-one device, never mind being locked into an expensive contract for years. I don't see the point in making comparisons to Palm; they lost the plot a long time ago. By incorporating a phone they have given their lame devices some useful functionality. Apple is in a different league.

All good points, but we need to think about now, not what will be in three to five years, and what the product is not what it could be.

Yes as unfortunate as it is Palm is basically the standard in PDAs (yes they have done a terrible job). I only referenced them because they indicate PDA buying trends. With that IMHO a phone has become the most important feature of a PDA, could it someday be replaced, yes, but thats not where the technologies at yet. As for contracts, your pretty much forced into them no matter what with regards to PDA/cell phones. And if you've ever had a phone with AT&T/cingular, you'd know they let you update your device after six months if you extend the contract (yes its an endless process, but any decent device requires a contract anyway, and I love AT&T's service in my area).

As for those who don't want an AIO, why aren't they complaining about the lack of calendar features on their phone, or maybe they are, maybe they do want an AIO and just don't know it yet.

Now what I'm really trying to point out is its an iPod, not a PDA, not a Media Center, not a device to signal aliens. An iPod, so far, only true purpose is to be a media player (yes the internet has to become media, hence safari). As this, the touch iPod (along with the iPod feature of the iPhone) is the best iPod ever to be released. For those waiting for other features that may or may not ever come you do realize life is passing you by.
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No? Actually personally calling out my post (which wasn't even in response to you/yours) was about the most juvenile, and self-righteous action in this entire thread.

You want to take the high road (or think you do) then just ignore the comments, no one appointed you the forum standards police.

And that really goes for anyone else who cant see the point in forum arguments/debates (childish or not) no one says you have to read them, or take part in them, and if your posting a reply thats condemning it/them, take a step back and look at what a hypocrite your being.

Uh, what? I'm not calling out anything. I was merely agreeing with you and, admittedly, defending myself which may have been somewhat rash on my part. Quite the backlash for such a small matter if you ask me, speaking of the forum standards police...

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Do you ever feel there are people who come to these forums to bring in some frustration that they are unable to express in the "real world"? In my view, our discussions often exemplify the kind of discourse that should be held as the standard for exchange in the marketplace of ideas. Other times, they serve as examples of how emotion and vitriol can destroy solution-oriented debate.

Yes, see above.
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Now what I'm really trying to point out is its an iPod, not a PDA, not a Media Center, not a device to signal aliens. An iPod, so far, only true purpose is to be a media player (yes the internet has to become media, hence safari). As this, the touch iPod (along with the iPod feature of the iPhone) is the best iPod ever to be released. For those waiting for other features that may or may not ever come you do realize life is passing you by.

It's a great device, but the point is they've crippled it for a seemingly non-sensical reason.
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I'll never buy this thing until we get Notes and Calendar both as they are in the iPhone, uncrippled, and working properly. It's called functionality, which used to be an Apple trademark, but now gets your threads deleted from the Apple discussion boards should you point out how they screwed up their own device.

This device is more than an iPod. Things are advancing. Get over it. We now expect more of what we buy gadgetwise, because we are all carrying too damn many gadgets. I'm simply not carrying a Palm TX AND a phone AND an iPod. AT&T service sucks in my area - very bad coverage- and I will NOT buy an iPhone.

The iPod has had Notes for generations. Apple is crippling their own product to push iPhone sales, and get further into our wallets, as if the iPod touch is not already a very premium priced product.

What's next, taking "g" and "n" 802.11 functionality off of the MacBook to protect MBP sales?

Stupid thinking, Apple. Just plain $tupid. Like M$FT stupid.
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post #111 of 120
Just had a brainstorm - .Mac.
Now If the iPod touch calendar is crippled so they can force you to use a web-based .Mac calendar my initial holler at the crippling is going up a few decibels. Anyway, I could be totally wrong and hopefully this is just Apple holding back on including the calendar input while they tweak it to splendor.
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Originally Posted by system6 View Post

I agree with everyone complaining about the lack of functionality. To those who basically say "stop moaning it's meant to be just an ipod", well, that's an awesome piece of hardware+OS for just playing media, and why include Safari?

If you read between the lines of Steve Jobs' intro of the touch, he gives a piss-poor reason to include Safari.

He emphasized that Safari was included to help log onto Wi-fi networks...oh, and it can surf the Web too. It almost sounds like the only reason they put it on was because for people to be able to log onto Wi-fi networks -- and in turn use the Wi-Fi Music Store -- they HAD to include Safari.

I don't think they wanted to, though.
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I'll never buy this thing until we get Notes and Calendar both as they are in the iPhone, uncrippled, and working properly. Stupid thinking, Apple. Just plain $tupid. Like M$FT stupid.

Well in the big scheme of things. How important are Notes and Calendars? Of the 110 million iPods that have been sold, how many people even use the Note and Calendar apps? Probably very few.

I do agree the iPod Touch can make a nice PDA and that Apple is likely playing that down to help iPhone sales. Apple is doing what it feels it needs to grow the markets for each device. At this point we don't know what the long term strategy for the Touch. Apps may be added fairly quickly.
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Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

No offense, but this all sounds like Apple apologist crap. While it may all basically be true in principle, the fact is that many websites use Flash and that many websites are also rendered useless without Flash (even if they shouldn't be). And Flash is far more widely used than Quicktime, so I would almost consider a browser without Flash not a "real browser." Maybe Flash would rapidly drain the battery, but it should still be available on the iPhone/iPod Touch as an option even if it's turned off by default.

A plug-in doesn't define a browser, rendering HTML and CSS correctly does. If I'm apologizing for anyone it's Adobe.
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My main point was that there ARE people who want more than 10 GB of space, as the OP said he knows of no one who does. I do use a smart playlist almost identical (rating and hasn't been played recently) to yours (especially nice with the nano), but I don't want to be tied to just that. I appreciate your viewpoint, and think that's the best part of the current iPod lineup--something for everyone.

While I probably use the iPod Classic (actually 80GB 5.5G) most, I wouldn't call it my ideal iPod. My ideal iPod would have WAY more capacity than the current Classic (enabling me to listen to everything in ALAC), the small size of the nano, the WiFi and nice screen of the Touch, with additional features such as bluetooth, usb/firewire ports and OS X open to developers. Obviously impossible with current technology, but how much of this could be done now (excluding nano sizing) to make it the Mac Ultraportable some of us have been really waiting for?

My old Newton might have been more capable and if it had the ability to store and hold tunes and looked as sweet as this thing with such a pretty touch screen - still in use. Many of my old Palms can certainly outdo this new device, except they do not have the storage capacity (but they do have storage card slots). My WinDoze handhelds also have a lot of the capabilities… none are near as slick looking or small.

That being said I have to join the whiners and ask: why with everything in place to provide a truly capable iPod device that could function as a full featured PDA, did Apple choose to introduce something with such limited capabilities?

I had to search my experiences to come up with the answers.

Apple could not deliver something like that for sale for THIS Xmas season. The first generation of this device is very nice and has its merits and I am sure the Apps will be developed for it… but until that time I will hold on to my hard earned cash. And, Apple included Safari so they could generate more revenue by selling to the impulse buyer. It is why they put the gum next to the cash register.

By not putting a camera, microphone, speaker, more Apps and some of the other things people are carping about; Apple was able to manufacture and deliver on a full compliment of ‘music’ devices in addition to the iPod Touch and boost its earnings and its status in the marketplace. It certainly will not hurt their market share, stock prices or dividends. Let’s get real now: that is what this whole thing is all about.

By introducing products like these, corporations can determine in real time where they should put their R&D dollars and what products they should introduce in the marketplace for second and third generations.

When Apple gets a little further down the road, I will purchase a Touch or one of the other devices from some other company that will do the things that I want it to do. Woz, we need you baby!
post #116 of 120
good job, lookes good
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Get your Ipod touch free. Ships September 28th. Just go to this link. I received an Nano Ipod (1st gen) and Ipod Video (5.5G). Great site.
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post #117 of 120
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post #118 of 120
HOLY SHIT! You just blew my mind!
I was completely baffled when i saw this mysterious piece of plastic hold up the ipod! I've been pondering over this piece of shit for more than 2 days now.
HOW DID I NOT FIGURE THAT OUT? I gotta try this with mine, hold on...

IT WOOOOORKS OMG!! Thanks man, you're my hero..

*stares at upright ipod on desk.. drooling
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this is genious
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I would say that, once I had unpacked my iPhone, the two most useful applications I purchased were these http://www.copytrans.net/iphone-ipod-touch-backup.php
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