Originally Posted by segovius
I have though....
And no, I'm not spending hours searching for it.
Perhaps someone remembers - there were several occasions.
I've never come out for it. I have said it may come to that. We may have to. It's not that I'm actively for it at all.
Originally Posted by e1618978
I advocated an attack on Iran just yesterday.
My reasoning is as follows:
- I think that the Iranian leadership seems to not be thinking clearly, there is no way
that a rational leader would deliberately try to piss off the rest of the world, and no
way that a rational leader would actively try to encourage civil war in their neighboring
countires. We need to remove that leadership before they have a nuclear weapon.
- We are already effectively at war with them already, via proxy forces in Iraq, Syria,
Now, back in 2003 they were willing to deal and GWB totally screwed things up by ignoring
them - if they were willing to re-iterate that same deal now I think we would take it, but
otherwise bombing them is a good first step.
I also think that we should split up Iraq, take the Kurdish parts of Iran and give them Southern Iraq.
The new Kurdistan we create out of Northern Iraq and Kurdish Iran would be a good ally and a base
for US forces, and Iran would have its hands full bringing order to a place that it helped mess up.
Syria can have central Iraq, with its no oil and tons of problems.
Some good points. I just think that we shouldn't do it unless all other options have failed. The problem is by then Iran may have stalled enough to develop the bomb. I have to believe that before we attack them, we'd sit down behind closed doors and say "we don't want to do this, but we're sure as fuck going to
if you don't open up your program and start obeying the international community.
In other words, we need to apply leverage. We need to say to them....you have two choices. Change your ways and accept normalized relations with the US and the international community...or keep supporting terror and maintaining a closed door nuke program that might be for weapons and we bomb the fuck out of you next year. Your choice.
Originally Posted by sammi jo
Launching an invasion of Iran by taking out its military facilities will result in the fragmentation and collapse of Iran's military, (and the destablization of its government). From an orderly and disciplined army (navy and airforce) with a well-established chain of command will emerge multiple guerilla-styled units, with no shortage of weapons
. Civil war is one possible outcome. The generation of terrorist cells (determined to attack the US either anywhere here at home, or US targets overseas), is probably the most likely outcome. This won't be an instantaneous reaction. People in the M.E. have longer attention spans than here in the West... they will be remembering this well after we've forgotten about 9/11... as will be the case
I'd be more concerned about pre-planned terror attacks launched if we bomb them. I doubt these well armed guerillas would make it to the US or Europe, but they could cause havoc in Iraq and Iran...I agree with that.
This is more fodder for "justifying" the continuation of the "war on terror", by claiming Iran is supporting terrorists in Iraq,
Now you're overboard. They are supporting terror and fighters in Iraq.
then invading that country for that reason (amongst others, such as the unsubstantiated claims of nuclear weapon building)..
I haven't heard anyone claim they are building weapons for sure. We've said that we're worried about it and we think
and thus creating legions of angry ex-military people, and its inevitable result... more terror. The driving force for all the BS in the last 6 years, is US deference to Israel.
Do you mean ex-US military or ex-Iranian military? Not sure of your point there.
As for US deference, well your anti-Israeli rants are well known here. That is not the reason we are attacked. We've been getting attacked since at least 1983. And if we really deferred to Israel, wed have set them lose in 1991 and let them nuke Baghdad for launching scuds at them. They defer to us, actually.