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Originally Posted by flinch13 View Post

Actual retail price? Probably in the area of $700-$800.

C'est la vie.

Haha you sounded like Bob Barker on the price is right. "700 dollars, Bob!!" "You said 700 dollars, and the actual retail price issssssss 4396 dollars" ("ooohhhhh" from the audience) bwa nah bwa nahhhhh *loser music*
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This device is suspect at best, though I do believe that it will see the light of day. Why? One reason: Mobile Mac OS X. Surely they didn't develop a mobile version of Mac OS X purely for the iPhone and its widget-based Web2.0 apps, right? I feel that if this product is true (and I can see it being as such), it will run on a more complete version of Mobile Mac OS X and will have actual PROGRAMS instead of widgets.

However, in order for this to happen, 3G is a MINIMUM requirement. Didn't someone say that 3G energy consumption would drop by sometime in mid-2008? What a coincidence that rumors have this releasing at around this same time. And in addition to that, there is that OPEN WIRELESS SPECTRUM being auctioned. Hmm...

As for the phone part, I would bet my right arm that it won't have one, if only to ensure that the iPhone isn't pushed to the backburner here. Instead, I figure that the iPhone and i-whatever-you-wanna-call-it will sync via Bluetooth or what have you.

So, that's my two cents.
post #123 of 314
a thumb-hole to grab it and keep it secure, or a rubberized edge coat, or something. I dropped my 4G iPod and killed it when its sleek, shiny body slid from my desperately fumbling grasp.

This iNewton will cost some bucks... I need a way to hang onto it better.
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I thought that i would have a go at making a newton mock up.

Hope you like it... the images are on my wordpress blog... here's the link.

http://iboz.wordpress.com/





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I thought that i would have a go at making a newton mock up.

Hope you like it... the images are on my wordpress blog... here's the link.

http://iboz.wordpress.com/



Thanks for your time.

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post #126 of 314
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There's no confirmation that such a beast will ever be released, but if an Apple product were able to successfully replace a paper-based Compact planner (Franklin-Covey) at a reasonable price, it could be a huge hit. The problem with trying to replace a paper planner is price and durability. Paper is very hard to beat in those areas, and I predict that won't happen until very high resolution, low-power e-ink displays are common... maybe 6 to 10 years off.

Yes. I have various electronic doo-dads that were note takers and planners but none really worked well because they were either too big an heavy (tablets...even slates) or too small and wimpy (PDA + SmartPad). I even own a TransNote.

This would be far far better since it could web surf, do keynote and PP presentations (hopefully) and possibly replace an ultraportable.

If it had a mini-DVI port then I could attach it to a monitor and use a USB keyboard and mouse. Losing the tiny screen is of no real importance.
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For exactly the reason why they other poster mentioned. If Apple viewed this as a potential video player, flash memory is currently way too expensive for storing movies. That doesn't mean that the OS and other content stored on the device wouldn't be stored on flash.

Streaming via WiFi or simply 32GB of storage which is enough for a couple movies and resynch via WiFi.
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Where's the Starbuck's logo?

The starbucks logo only appears when you are inside the iTunes Wifi Store. There is no widget for it.

Its was pretty tough getting the icons right since i obviously dont have the apple source files.

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I'd rather see an induction based charging system where it sits on the base but that limits the charging to iMacs and they would need to be updated. I imagine a simple USB cable would suffice. The name iPad makes me think of women's sanitary products too.

Does anyone think they'll use the Newton name and logo or will it be something different? I'd like to see that name and logo make a comeback and I kind of hoped it would be the name of the iphone.

I think Apple's presence in the PDA market is long overdue. I know tons of people who have had to get PocketPCs and they hate them.

I don't get it though, why make another device when an iphone would surely do the job of a PDA very well? I can understand having the bigger screen for letters and things but I wonder where they can draw the line between a UMPC and a PDA if the PDA will be much bigger than an iphone.
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Yes...although I'd want a low power core than an arm for this.
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I'd say it'll be closer to 10" than 6 or 7". You wouldn't be able to use productivity apps on a 6 or 7" screen, sorry, well sufficiently anyway. Besides they want to make it an ultra-portable Mac, not a bigger just iPod touch that has some iPhone features. Make no mistake, this is a Mac we're talking about here. Sure sources have said screen sizes etc., but how do we know this is the total truth.

Multi-touch tablet Mac FTW!
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post #132 of 314
I scoffed at those who paid $600 for a phone. I didn't care when it came down to the low, low price of $400. I have a phone, which surfs the web, e-mails, c-mail, plays games, handles appointments, and even has some GPS wizardry to navigate me through Tokyo and the environs. No kidding, I walk, and it shows me moving on the map. It even knows which direction it is pointing--the map rotates as I do.

It cost me $100 in Japan.

But a new Newton? My stack of MP120s, an original 100, and my beloved 24-hr battery-life eMate 300 all tell me to run out and buy this thing.

I scoffed at those who paid $600 for a phone. But for ten years, you couldn't get a new Newton at any price--now, any price is what I will pay.

Hope this pans out.
post #133 of 314
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Originally Posted by BlackSummerNight View Post

This is why the iPhone and iPod touch is limited and Apple doesn't want you to put your own 3rd party apps on it. They have a PDA they want to push, and if some developer is writing apps that will do everything that this PDA offers it will equal low PDA sells. Just my .02.

I agree as well.
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post #134 of 314
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I have a phone, which surfs the web, e-mails, c-mail, plays games, handles appointments, and even has some GPS wizardry to navigate me through Tokyo and the environs. No kidding, I walk, and it shows me moving on the map. It even knows which direction it is pointing--the map rotates as I do.

It cost me $100 in Japan.

Wow. What model phone is this? Who is the provider? (I am truly impressed that a cell phone provider in Japan has come up with all this cool, easy-to-use software). And, what does the service plan cost you per month?
post #135 of 314
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

I'd say it'll be closer to 10" than 6 or 7". You wouldn't be able to use productivity apps on a 6 or 7" screen, sorry, well sufficiently anyway. Besides they want to make it an ultra-portable Mac, not a bigger just iPod touch that has some iPhone features. Make no mistake, this is a Mac we're talking about here. Sure sources have said screen sizes etc., but how do we know this is the total truth.

Multi-touch tablet Mac FTW!

I think Apple cares much more about scaling up the iPhone then it does about scaling down a laptop. The UMPC/small Tablet market has potential (I'd argue the eMate/Foleo/Asus EEE section has potential too, but the rumour is for a slate tablet), the 10"+ tablet market has gone nowhere.

If you're worried about usefulness, consider resolution, and ignore the rumoured one. I have 1024x768 on my 12" PB and that is—just barely—enough. If one were to keep at least that resolution but at 5.5-7" you wind up with the same amount of space, looking much sharper. The pinch & resolution independence is where this comes in as you could zoom in and out with no loss of detail.

Now sure this seems like a Mac, but it's (probably) running Mobile OS X and using Multitouch with maybe 32GB of flash. At the core this the next generation of Apple products, using Mobile OS X's interface (instead of the traditional OS X one), with programs from OS X requiring both porting (say to a new version of Cocoa, as Shipley proposed) and then a complete user interface redesign for Multitouch.

If one were to make this 10" it would simply look like a Mac Tablet (which, given the tiny Windows Tablet market, is a miniscule target audience). People would expect OS X (with multitouch bolted on, I imagine) and the full multi-GB Leopard install and Photoshop and whatever. This is the exact same mistake UMPCs make.

Now they could use Mobile OS X at 10" but I simply don't believe that people would accept such a large computer not running regular OS X (why I can't do Photoshop? Not ported. Why can't I play my games? Not ported. Etc…). It's just too close in size to a laptop. Especially if Apple ever expands their laptop line-up[1].

Apple would want this to replace your laptop, I imagine, but at the same time be acceptable to carry with your laptop if you must. 10" doesn't do that, but 5.5-7" does. People carrie(d) Newton's with their laptops, but I don't think many people carry their Windows Tablet with their laptop.

At 5.5-7" this is a Knowledge Navigator[2] using Mobile OS X that lasts for 24 hours on one charge (well, before we account for wireless). At that size people wouldn't expect regular OS X, and so the shininess of Mobile OS X & Multitouch along with the basics like iWork and iLife (perhaps minus GarageBand) beat not having Photoshop.


[1] With a 11" MacBook Nano, a 13" MacBook Pro, and a 15" MacBook. Please Jobs? Probably depends on if their sales keep expanding.

[2] That might not be a bad name for the device. It's not an iPhone or an iPod so iPhone Pro or iPad or whatever are out, and we don't want people to think this is a Mac so MacPad or MacTablet or whatever are out.

Although I personally would love to see the Newton name come back

How about Navigator, or iNavigator, or even iNewton .

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I scoffed at those who paid $600 for a phone. I didn't care when it came down to the low, low price of $400. I have a phone, which surfs the web, e-mails, c-mail, plays games, handles appointments, and even has some GPS wizardry to navigate me through Tokyo and the environs. No kidding, I walk, and it shows me moving on the map. It even knows which direction it is pointing--the map rotates as I do.

It cost me $100 in Japan.

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Wow. What model phone is this? Who is the provider? (I am truly impressed that a cell phone provider in Japan has come up with all this cool, easy-to-use software). And, what does the service plan cost you per month?

There's NTT DoCoMo, AU/KDDI, and Softbank Mobile: all pretty much the same (Softbank's cheaper, with worse coverage, Au/KDDI occasionally puts out the coolest looking phones, like the Neon). The phone likely costs around $600-700 in real life, but is subsidized down to $100, they're really big on subsidies there. As far as I remember pretty much any new decent Japanese phone can do that sort of thing.

Using Softbank you can get the White Plan for about 8 bucks a month, plus 4 bucks for the Super Useful Pack, 8 bucks to 40 bucks for 'unlimited' data (once you hit 40 bucks that's all you have to pay). For another 4 bucks you can get the Double White Plan & 50% off voice calls to non-Softbank carriers. Pretty decent, really.

Note, however, that he said nothing about easy-to-use. Just because a map knows which way he's showing doesn't mean it's easy to use. In fact I'd lay odds his phone is as hard, or harder, to figure out all the neat things on it as any Nokia or Motorola or whatever model over in Europe or North America.

Also note that the phone can probably be used as an e-wallet, and may even have digital (one-seg) TV. Plus barcode scanning, which is awesome.

Advanced software and hardware features doesn't translate to a simple & good user interface to use them. That, as always, is where Apple has the upper hand.
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Originally Posted by audiopollution View Post

You just typed a whole lot of 'what it's not'.

What do you think it is? What is a "personal digital life manager"?

Sounds like a PDA/UMPC to me.

You'll notice I did put in a few things that it would be.

My point was merely that everyone was comparing it to a past product.

It won't be a UMPC, because it will run Mac OS Mobile, and therefore not full versions of the same programs that run on the full Mac OS.

It will not be merely a PDA.

If you read the posts that have come after mine, you'll see the many, many ways that such a device could be used, which gives rise the to name Personal Digital Life Manager i.e. it's not just going to hold your Contacts, Appointments, ToDo's, and Notes.

It's going to run fairly capable apps on its own, but also be an extension of your laptop or desk PC, an extension of AppleTV, a way to control your Home Automation systems,
a broadband or wi-fi extension of Web 2.0, a media manager/viewer, etc. etc. etc.

Think somewhere between the iPhone/iTouch and a UMPC. It will offer you a lot of on-board features, but play much more effectively with your Desktop PC, Web 2.0, basically a whole lot of the digital world that you have in your home around you.

Do you catch my drift now?

I can't say exactly what it IS, since it isn't out yet. All I'm saying is that it will be a very unique device that will surprise us as to how much it can do as the center of our digital life... hence Personal Digital Life Manager.

Think out of the box. Think of many devices out there and grab the features you like best and put them into the form factor that was mentioned in the article.

You've got the device that is being reported here. The iPhone is a phone with a bit of web browsing thrown in. The iPods and iTouch are media managers, along with a bit of web browsing thrown in.

This will be a device running a subset of the Mac OS, based on a single touch-screen that does pretty well everything else you want a device that size to do.

Any idea what I'm trying to say now?

Again, read the posts that talk about integrating things that aren't just Newton-like, or aren't a full UMPC that runs a full OS, and behaves similarly to a full laptop... think about an integration device for everything else... a window into the rest of your digital life.
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Yes...although I'd want a low power core than an arm for this.

This is what you're looking for.

Mobile OSX plus mobile chips smaller than a penny but more powerful than Core solos. Amazing

Oh and did I mention that WiMAX will be supported.
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I have mentioned a product along these lines several times before (as has Ireland).

It makes perfect sense and you can see the pieces coming together, in a HUGE way. The problem is marketing the device. What is it? A Macbook, A Mac Mini Replacement or a bigger iPod/iPhone?

All I know (and I've mentioned this before) is Leopard is slapping us round the face with the clues!!!

Why does the 3D Dock exist? (Because it wants to be touched?)
Coverflow in Finder
Core Animation
Quicklook Documents with a Single Touch

Give me a break!!!!!! It's everywhere. This is the biggest stealth project in History!!

This could be the first Mac to dock in every area of your life.
The Home, The Car, The Office and The Pocket!!


Very good observations. Kudos for this comment.
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I wonder if this will play music/video like the touch. It does'nt seem that this would cut into those sales of the Touch, even if it did, because of the size. i think it will have wi-fi an BT. what else?

I think there are 2 markets.. a bigger device does have its place (both for screen realestate, and for an increase in processing power - assuming that is useful!). For instance, I mentioned maps on the iPhone to a friend as something that (once iPhone has GPS) would obsolete portable standalone GPS map devices ... and he said the screen was too small for a good map.

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Ture, but there are those of us, who don't want / need an iPod or iPhone, who will gladly purchase a iNewton:, iPDA, itrack, iplan or whatever they end up calling it

iPod plus Newton MessagePad.... has to be the "iPad" right?

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The PDA is merely new functionality that will be added to the iPod and iPhone. Why on earth would you want a stand alone PDA without iPod or phone?

I would be surprised if the iPod functionality wasn't in there as a side effect. I'd also be surprised if Apple wasn't looking at built in 3G data for laptops (and iPad?).

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Well, admittedly, it's not that big - according to the mock-up it's around the size of a small paperback book (and much much thinner).

It's just not comfortably pocket-size.
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It's too big to be used as a music player or phone (though it'd be an fantastic video player or e-reader), and too limited to be used wholly as a laptop replacement. Unless Apple is counting on a large group of people who just want to watch videos and check e-mail on trips but (a) don't want to bring laptops (b) for some reason don't want an iPhone which does almost exactly what this device does plus is a phone, and (c) and are willing to spend hundreds of dollars for yet another device, I don't quite get it.

Price will be critical. Certainly, if the iPhone does exactly the same thing and is cheaper, you'll buy an iPhone right?

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I have the original Newton. When I got my iPhone, the first thing I thought was the iPhone didn't have some of the capabilities of the Newton. Combine the best of the Newton with the iPhone and Apple would have something truly amazing. Add a bunch of killer apps and you'd have a palmtop Mac.

So Newton users of the past.... what would you need to add to the iPhone to give it equivalent functionality?
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Originally Posted by Dazabrit View Post

I have mentioned a product along these lines several times before (as has Ireland).

It makes perfect sense and you can see the pieces coming together, in a HUGE way. The problem is marketing the device. What is it? A Macbook, A Mac Mini Replacement or a bigger iPod/iPhone?

All I know (and I've mentioned this before) is Leopard is slapping us round the face with the clues!!!

Why does the 3D Dock exist? (Because it wants to be touched?)
Coverflow in Finder
Core Animation
Quicklook Documents with a Single Touch

Give me a break!!!!!! It's everywhere. This is the biggest stealth project in History!!

This could be the first Mac to dock in every area of your life.
The Home, The Car, The Office and The Pocket!!


Yeah, great comment.
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Originally Posted by Tokolosh View Post

There would be no point to an entirely different device when you can just increase the features available on the iPhone and touch. My guess is that this would be released as another piece of the iPhone lineup rather than as the much discussed Newton replacement.

A.I. has it all wrong, this is going to be Apple's ultra-portable. Newton 2.0 is the iPhone as is. Who gives a crap about hand recognition, the stylus is old news anyway. I suspect this will have 9" or 10" screen, come in one screen size (could even be 8", but not any smaller), and will run either Leopard, or something very close to it.

Screen resolution tips aside, the screen res. could end up being 1280 x 800, or even higher. This is going to be a Mac people, not a P.D.A.

You seem very confident in your opinion Ireland? Yes I do. The iPhone is as-P.D.A. as Apple is going to get, possibly ever. I repeat, this will be Apple's ultra-portable.
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post #142 of 314
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Originally Posted by GregoriusM View Post

Don't think Personal Digital Assistant, think Personal Digital Life Manager

Yay, I always wanted a PDLM.
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Leopard is slapping us round the face with the clues!!!

Why does the 3D Dock exist? (Because it wants to be touched?)
Coverflow in Finder
Core Animation
Quicklook Documents with a Single Touch

While I'm not convinced this proves a new PDA, I do believe Apple is ready to reveal Apple laptops and iMacs with touch screens.

edit: Not to be marketed as a revolution or anything... just that when you want to touch your photos etc, you can....
Apple can then change, adapt, improve as they see what we do...
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Oh Goddamn it! Not ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE NEWTON/TABLET THREADS!!!!!!!


(That's what people started posting at me in my 200th Newton/Tablet thread; just trying to keep AI consistent).

Well, I had given up hope, to be honest! I will also believe it when I see it. If it does show up...

ITunes will conquer the printing industry as well. Newspapers, magazines, user's manuals, books (both audio and print!), text books, comic books....

The iPhone bluetooth ear dingus will work with this as well.

There is an Apple patent floating around that describes making a video screen that is also "simultaneously" a camera, so a true video iphone could be in the offing.

The battery will be bigger than the iPhone's battery, so 3G downloads should be doable.

GPS, of course.

It must have a stylus.

I will finally change my signature.

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Originally Posted by Wonderkid View Post

No company (not even Sony) has yet produced a useable 'eBook' that matches the form factor and intuitive convenience of a typical paperback.

Actually, Sony released their Portable Reader called "The Reader" (lame name), which allows you to carry your e-books on the go. Personally, I think it sucks ...but it does exist.
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is it possible to port openeinstein

http://code.google.com/p/einstein/


to the ipod touch or iphone? (or is it in the works already?)

that might rock and solve my cold feet with the ipod touch

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Using Softbank you can get the White Plan for about 8 bucks a month, plus 4 bucks for the Super Useful Pack, 8 bucks to 40 bucks for 'unlimited' data (once you hit 40 bucks that's all you have to pay). For another 4 bucks you can get the Double White Plan & 50% off voice calls to non-Softbank carriers. Pretty decent, really.

[I]Note, however, that he said nothing about easy-to-use.........

Thanks. But, with all due respect, I asked this question of haakondahl.
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I doubt that they'd use the name Newton again. It would just be confusing.

iGalileo anyone?
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I scoffed at those who paid $600 for a phone. I didn't care when it came down to the low, low price of $400. I have a phone, which surfs the web, e-mails, c-mail, plays games, handles appointments, and even has some GPS wizardry to navigate me through Tokyo and the environs. No kidding, I walk, and it shows me moving on the map. It even knows which direction it is pointing--the map rotates as I do.

It cost me $100 in Japan.

But a new Newton? My stack of MP120s, an original 100, and my beloved 24-hr battery-life eMate 300 all tell me to run out and buy this thing.

I scoffed at those who paid $600 for a phone. But for ten years, you couldn't get a new Newton at any price--now, any price is what I will pay.

Hope this pans out.

I have to see a picture of this... or post a video on YouTube.

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A.I. has it all wrong, this is going to be Apple's ultra-portable. Newton 2.0 is the iPhone as is. Who gives a crap about hand recognition, the stylus is old news anyway. I suspect this will have 9" or 10" screen, come in one screen size (could even be 8", but not any smaller), and will run either Leopard, or something very close to it.

Screen resolution tips aside, the screen res. could end up being 1280 x 800, or even higher. This is going to be a Mac people, not a P.D.A.

You seem very confident in your opinion Ireland? Yes I do. The iPhone is as-P.D.A. as Apple is going to get, possibly ever. I repeat, this will be Apple's ultra-portable.

This is my point. It's NOT going to be a Newton revisited.

I don't agree though that it will be a Mac either. I don't believe it will run the entire Mac OS as a UMPC would.

I do agree that it will be ultra-portable, but the interface will be much less Mac OS-like than what a typical UMPC would be, as has been shown by the Windows-based UMPC's that have come up so far.

Think of a UMPC with a different way of interracting with it......... multi-touch...... It just won't work like a Finder, Windows, Folders based device would.

That's my prediction.
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1) serious voice reco + TTS (leopard is an improvement but still not good enough)

... the killer app will be cbt/courseware - especially language-learning!

2) the stylus needs to be true 'digital ink' -- which means being able to capture writing on regular paper from an ink-based pen (just like the the BT based systems from annato - which apple should just buy outright!).

3) however, based on apple's abysmal track record in almost every area of technology since steve jobs returned (he cut r&D in half), i have been saying for along while that we we wont see any really innovative solutions (like *useful* tablets, as exampled above) ....

however, give the advantages for product extension that a unified architecture affords, i am now begining to think that maybe apple will actually return to the good old days where they actually created new paradigms rather than just perfected existing ones!

4) the sign would be a joint bid with google for legacy (700mhz) spectrum (but the tv band is being vacated avail in amareica?):

at first the only use i could imagine was a voip by-pass for the iphone (using a mesh wifi system) - but i doubted this approach because it would piss off its telecoms partner (att);

however, if apple had OTHER products that could benefit from an owned & operated wifi mesh network, then the joint bid with google would make sense - to wit: besides side-loading music onto the 6G ipod and the iphone, it is the PDA and even the maligned AppleTV that could "just change everything" if they had some serious bandwidth.

HD downloads (10M-20bps) are problematic at best for DSL and microsoft's flaky iptv/cable (even with h264) ... certainly DSL doesnt have the range at almost any bitrate.

HD is feasible basically only on fibre (which is the smart bet -- but then how many telco's are smart?!) ....

and they are also feasible on a wifi or wimax mesh.

if itunes could suddenly deliver an almost an order of magnitude better performance over what it does today by using a private wireless mesh, then apple's new mobiles and access products would have serious, structural competitive advantage ---

instead of living from one fleeting, incremental, advantage to the next as is currently the case.

so maybe there is actually some coherence in Jobs master plan after all ....

but i am not going to hold my breath.
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Well, admittedly, it's not that big - according to the mock-up it's around the size of a small paperback book (and much much thinner).

It's just not comfortably pocket-size.

And the biggest folly of the Foleo is that it required a Treo to use, which just made no sense. I assume this product, if it ever actually appears, will nicely sync up with your computer but operate as a standalone device. (Although do you have to hunt around for Wi-Fi hot spots to be able to go online, like the touch...?)

But it still seems to get real fuzzy when you think about what purpose it would serve. It's too big to be used as a music player or phone (though it'd be an fantastic video player or e-reader), and too limited to be used wholly as a laptop replacement. Unless Apple is counting on a large group of people who just want to watch videos and check e-mail on trips but (a) don't want to bring laptops (b) for some reason don't want an iPhone which does almost exactly what this device does plus is a phone, and (c) and are willing to spend hundreds of dollars for yet another device, I don't quite get it.

Interesting comment. I was thinking the iTouch was the perfect size, if it had iCal and Mail. I am unsure how I would carry something the size of a paperback book, without having a ManPurse. As it was, the iTouch was *almost* too big, but probably just right for everyday use.

As for the previous comment about everybody using smart phones by now, I disagree. For me, my little tiny antenna-less LG phone is my phone, and I'd prefer not have anything bigger strapped to me. If I had a PDA that was about the size of my wallet (but thin like the iTouch) I could feasibly carry it all day long.
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There's already an online program that does this. I saw the demo several weeks ago, but I didn't bookmark it. You can enter natural language which is interpreted into calendar instructions for meetings, appointments, etc. The demo is cool, but frankly it saves only seconds.

Was it stikkit.com ?

That has some very cool features like that. If only Apple's stickies widget/program worked like that it might be actually useful.


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Basically: Why should I carry Newton II (+iPhone, even) when I could carry a MacBook and an iPhone?

I'll take that one step further for you. Why should I carry a Newton II or a MacBook AT ALL when an iPhone should do all that matters for a mobile computer? That was exactly what people were asking about the Foleo (and the LifeDrive for that matter or whatever Palm called it) and exactly what they'll be asking about a Newton II.

If Apple does a Newton II then I and many others will be asking why we can't have the exact same apps running on the iPhone or iPod Touch? Same OS, same interface.

I still think this is going nowhere just as the original Newton project was for a bigger tablet before being reduced to a more manageable size. Apple this time however just released the iPhone without all the apps needed for a full, useful PDA.

I used to want an OQO with OSX on it. Since the iPhone, I've wanted an iPhone with more applications on it.
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EXCEPT SPEECH RECOGNITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will SOMEone work on that, please? It's hindering our technological advancement.

-Clive

Speaking of you and the rest of your cyborg family?
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This has to be a apple version of a UMPC, a pda doesn't seem to make sense. If it is more of a umpc that's awesome and I'd probably never really have use for a laptop again, imac or mac pro at home, this when mobile. Perfect.
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This has to be a apple version of a UMPC, a pda doesn't seem to make sense. If it is more of a umpc that's awesome and I'd probably never really have use for a laptop again, imac or mac pro at home, this when mobile. Perfect.

Do UMPCs make more sense than PDAs ?

I've always though of UMPCs as just solving the problem of crap software and low res screens on PDAs - the iPhone solves the screen res problem and hopefully they're working on the software.
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What I would ideally like to see (aka, probably not even close to what we will see)

6" Tablet (Size of a Book)
1.5 Ghz to 2Ghz Silverthorne
32Gb Flash
802.11n/WiMax
MultiTouch
Cintiq Murdering Graphics Tablet Functionality

8Gb or 16Gb Storage would probably work if they were to create a great (easy and Intuitive) way of Remotely Interacting with your 'Main' computer. You could use the MacPad to wake the iMac in your home, then transfer content between the two machines. When finished the MacPad has its new content and the iMac goes back to Sleep.

With all of the technologies in Leopard such as Spotlight it would be easy enough for your grandparents to use. You would simply search/browse the content as if it's on the MacPad. They wouldn't really need to know that the device is accessing the home computer etc...

Here is the Mockup from Jesus on Gizmodo (If you haven't seen it)

5-8" MultiTouch Mini Tablet would go down a treat if you're reading!
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post #159 of 314
I always liked the Newton, and this may be the time to bring it back. However, this is what I remember about the Newton.

Taking notes: Sucked
Getting on the web: Sucked
As a GPS: Sucked
As a PDA: Good
Printing: Sucked
Data transfer: Sucked
Memory: Sucked
Games: Sucked
OCR: Good
Size: Sucked

They have a lot to overcome. But much of that was because the technology was not ready.
Now they could have easy internet...WiFi, cellular and quickconnect.
They can have easy data transfer and syncing...blue tooth and WiFi.
They can make it small.
They can include GPS and cellular communication, wouldn't that be cool? You could actually do what they show the iPhone doing in the commercials...WITH DIRECTIONS.
Memory is much smaller and faster now, there is no need for a spinning hard drive!

This could be a really nice PDA if they choose to do it right.

BTW, I think they got it 75% right with the iPhone. It is cool, but I still won't buy one until they make it better.

Oh yeah, the original Newton...Price: SUCKED!
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Newton 2.0= Knowledge Navigator

Mmmmm!
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