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Now with the Iphone it fills the ultra small gizmo type featured phone. What is missing is a pocket laptop that is pocket size, specifically jacket pocket size. Somthing larger that has the largest touch type keyboard and screen yet will still fit into a jacket pocket.

Hasn't anybody come up with a keyboard wallet that the iPhone slides into already?

There were a number of those available for the Newton, and I imagine that if one isn't on the market already, it will be soon after the debut of the SDK.
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So I have been doing a lot of thinking, based on the rumors that have circled around these sites and the bloggosphere and I think I have come up with something very likely to expect from this device. I could be totally wrong but I would love to get some feedback here. I posted it on my blog but for those too lazy to click a link, here you go!

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There have been tons of rumors going around and it can be difficult to sort through the crap and the nonsense. Rumors of dual, multitouch 9"screens that can either be opened like a clamshell or slide on top of one another are, without a doubt, false. A 13" tablet Mac with full OSX 10.5 Leopard are a pipe dream, like my desire for an active digitizer...though perhaps not forever. I will get there later.

So let's talk about this device!

Size

The most reliable rumors indicate a 5.25" or so screen, roughly 1.5 times larger than the iPhone/iPod touch. This device will remain like those two, small and easily transportable. It is possible that the screen could be as large as 7" as this is the usual screen size for a UMPC (Samsung Q1, ASUS Eee) but as you make the screen larger, you start deducing the portability of the device. With the release of the uber thin MacBook air, I could see either one of these two screen sizes, however, being very likely and the Apple tablet device could be available in both. It wont be much thicker than an iPhone.

Power

As I am not an engineer, I can't really tell you what will be making this thing go. It will be Intel processor as the device will have to be powerful, but I can't tell you which one. The MacBook air, the new Intel Silverthorne, something else? Don't know. Can't even tell you what to expect as far as video processing other than equal to or greater than the iPhone. The battery will also be as strong.

Memory

Easy. At least 16 Gigs Flash memory, possible upgrade to 32, anymore and it will be far too expensive. It will be a very quick device.

Input

There will, of course be a multitouch screen, a home button and a sleep/wake power button like the iPod touch. If the the rumors of it being held lengthwise like a PSP, then I think there might be a second "home" button. I have thought about what this might be used for and I think it will be a context sensitive. It's action depends on the screen you are on. It will bring up menus, preferences, directories, etc.

I also suspect that there will be bluetooth and that this will allow you to pair with Apple's Wireless Keyboard or a smaller, more portable version of it. Why? Well, we will come to this.

Connectivity

Syncs to your computer through USB, but perhaps also through Bluetooth and/or WiFi. The latter are possible but not likely. As far as ports are concerned, other than an iPod docking port, it will have a headphone jack and a mini DVI port. Some think it might have 3G but that is a big stretch.

OS/Software

Sorry guys, this one wont be using full Leopard. It will have an imbedded OS and will be like the iPhone's OS, only perhaps more powerful. The touch SDK will work for this device to so when it comes out, there will be many third party applications coming soon for it.
As far as the other applications that will come with the UMPC, I expect the following.

Web

Safari
Mail
an RSS reader(?)

iLife (iPod functions)

iTunes (music)
iMovie (video)
iPhoto (photos)

iWork

Pages (word processor, this will be as close to the full version as possible)
Numbers (spreadsheets)
Keynote (more for giving the presentation than creating them. I am sure some edits will be possible but more in the text field)

This last one is what will set it apart, what will make it more than just a big iPod touch. Sure, you can synch your music and videos to it, surf the web with a larger screen, but this is how they will appeal to a larger user base.

I think it will include one more thing to add even larger appeal. "Back to My Mac" Using this feature from Leopard, the UMPC will be more than just an iPod, more than just a UMPC. This feature will be aimed at iMac users who want more portability (like myself). I can't guess at the extent to which this will work but some access would be great.

The Dock

This will not be able to use the standard iPod dock as it will be larger and have a default landscape orientation rather than portrait one. The port will be on the bottom not the top. I suspect it will be light weight and small, allowing you to carry it around and use it to prop up your UMPC at a good viewing angle. Pair your keyboard to it and you can type away comfortably, just like on a laptop. Like the iPod dock, you can charge and/or sync it.

Pricing and Release

Rumor has it this was supposed to premiere at MacWorld but was delayed. Was this because it was not ready? Or was the keynote just too long with the Time Capsule, iPhone/iPod touch update, Apple TV and iTunes rentals, and the Macbook air? It was more than an hour! I hope to see it in February with the release of the iPhone SDK.

This will be priced between an iPhone and a MacBook so no more than $800 and no less than $500.

This will, I think, begin to pave the way for a full, convertable MacBook tablet. It will solve all the problems that all the current tablet laptops suffer from. Leave it to Apple to take a failing market and fix it.
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So I have been doing a lot of thinking, based on the rumors that have circled around these sites and the bloggosphere and I think I have come up with something very likely to expect from this device. I could be totally wrong but I would love to get some feedback here. I posted it on my blog but for those too lazy to click a link, here you go!

I'm too lazy to even read it so what did it say?



........kidding.
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So I have been doing a lot of thinking, based on the rumors that have circled around these sites and the bloggosphere and I think I have come up with something very likely to expect from this device. I could be totally wrong but I would love to get some feedback here. I posted it on my blog but for those too lazy to click a link, here you go!

So your that guy huh?? LOL! I read that blog this morning as I was scouring the net for mac touch clues. It was a good read. And I think I might have to agree with you on the 9" dual screen prototype being false and the 5.2" single screen version being true. Even so, how do you know for sure the 9" dual screen one is false?
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So your that guy huh?? LOL! I read that blog this morning as I was scouring the net for mac touch clues. It was a good read. And I think I might have to agree with you on the 9" dual screen prototype being false and the 5.2" single screen version being true. Even so, how do you know for sure the 9" dual screen one is false?

Well, the timing of the rumors and the form in which they came out. Tracking them back, they first appear in one of those "leaked" keynotes that I think are always either fanboys getting over eager or those stupid inter-geeks with too much time on their hands and like to mess with people.

I did enjoy the mock ups though. I still think though that such a device would ultimately pose more issues than it solved.

And PS-Holy **** you mean people actually READ my blog?! People OTHER than my girlfriend?! O_o I always figured I was just drifting into obscurity and wondering how the hell I was going to get readers!
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Well, the timing of the rumors and the form in which they came out. Tracking them back, they first appear in one of those "leaked" keynotes that I think are always either fanboys getting over eager or those stupid inter-geeks with too much time on their hands and like to mess with people.

I did enjoy the mock ups though. I still think though that such a device would ultimately pose more issues than it solved.

And PS-Holy **** you mean people actually READ my blog?! People OTHER than my girlfriend?! O_o I always figured I was just drifting into obscurity and wondering how the hell I was going to get readers!

Well dude, I've been trying out Google labs experimental beta.....cool stuff by the way. And I did a google search on "apple umpc" or was it "apple 5.2" anyways google did the search by looking through blogs only.
Awesome stuff. I came across your blog and read it to my delight.

I'm bored here at work and I'm continuing to use the google labs stuff to find out about new apple rumors blog per blog.
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I did enjoy the mock ups though. I still think though that such a device would ultimately pose more issues than it solved.

I agree. It seems good in theory, but there are multiple issues that come with it that would (for now) make it more a gimmick than something truly amazing.

I agree that the 1.5x iPod Touch rumors are the most likely - they make more sense. Slightly bigger and as such quite compatible application-wise. Familiar look and feel. iPhoneOS not MacOS (and for now I'd assume a processor similar to the iPhone's).

I'd still like Apple to position a range of devices which bridge the iPod Touch & MacBook Air. It may not be time yet, but when ready I think it would change how people approach these devices
eg: iPod Touch ( 3.5"), iTouch (5.25"), Mac Touch (13") (tablets)
or iBook Air (8"), MacBook Air (13") (laptop format)

Of course the naming would need to differ, just trying to make it clear whether its an "i" or "mac" device. I half expected the MacBookAir to be called the MacBook Touch - to make that connection for a range of wifi devices from the iPod Touch to the MacBook Touch (but without a touch screen on the Air, that idea dies! ). Perhaps Apple would use "Air" for all the wifi-centred products?
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I agree. It seems good in theory, but there are multiple issues that come with it that would (for now) make it more a gimmick than something truly amazing.

I agree that the 1.5x iPod Touch rumors are the most likely - they make more sense. Slightly bigger and as such quite compatible application-wise. Familiar look and feel. iPhoneOS not MacOS (and for now I'd assume a processor similar to the iPhone's).

I'd still like Apple to position a range of devices which bridge the iPod Touch & MacBook Air. It may not be time yet, but when ready I think it would change how people approach these devices
eg: iPod Touch ( 3.5"), iTouch (5.25"), Mac Touch (13") (tablets)
or iBook Air (8"), MacBook Air (13") (laptop format)

Of course the naming would need to differ, just trying to make it clear whether its an "i" or "mac" device. I half expected the MacBookAir to be called the MacBook Touch - to make that connection for a range of wifi devices from the iPod Touch to the MacBook Touch (but without a touch screen on the Air, that idea dies! ). Perhaps Apple would use "Air" for all the wifi-centred products?

I think you are right on much of that. Especially, I think, in the ultimate lineup (not including future iPhones). I really think this new device will be a step towards multitouch as a true aspect of portable computing (I don't see desktops happening for a while). How long it will be before we see a full power, Mac Touch, I can't tell you. Sure, it transitioned to the iPod quickly but the two devices are very similar.
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Hasn't anybody come up with a keyboard wallet that the iPhone slides into already?

There were a number of those available for the Newton, and I imagine that if one isn't on the market already, it will be soon after the debut of the SDK.

Adding a keyboard to an Iphone is not the answer as it is still just a fancy phone. For a mobile computer it must have the keyboard built in not an add on option.

What the market needs is more of a true full function computer laptp that can fit into your jacket pocket. Given that small size a touch input is not the right input to perform desktop programs; what is needed is a built in touch type keyboard.
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Adding a keyboard to an Iphone is not the answer as it is still just a fancy phone. For a mobile computer it must have the keyboard built in not an add on option.

What the market needs is more of a true full function computer laptp that can fit into your jacket pocket. Given that small size a touch input is not the right input to perform desktop programs; what is needed is a built in touch type keyboard.

I disagree. I don't think they need a built in keyboard because not everything we do NEEDS keyboards. The one thing we do with keyboards...TYPE and unless you are typing a lot, then explain why you always need a keyboard. And I don't mean a lot of emails over time. I mean unless you are fricking writer a book/essay/thesis/ect.

Most of our interactions with computers involve a mouse. And if we can get beyond that (touch interface) then a small, external keyboard really isn't TOO much, is it?

Besides, you know Apple or a third party will make a neoprene/leather case that will hold both the tablet and keyboard and fold up like laptop. :-P
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Adding a keyboard to an Iphone is not the answer as it is still just a fancy phone. For a mobile computer it must have the keyboard built in not an add on option.

The iPhone is meant to be a fancy phone. That's why it's not called iPDA.

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What the market needs is more of a true full function computer laptp that can fit into your jacket pocket. Given that small size a touch input is not the right input to perform desktop programs; what is needed is a built in touch type keyboard.

There are plenty of those available for Windows, and they have so far failed to find a real market.
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I realize the first Apple tablets will be smaller than 17", probably 13.3" like the MacBooks they will replace. Yes, replace. ;^p

LOL, you must be joking. Replace one of their most popular lines with a product that has consistently failed at the consumer level for many years? Not gonna happen.
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LOL, you must be joking. Replace one of their most popular lines with a product that has consistently failed at the consumer level for many years? Not gonna happen.

It will replace it but over time.......over time.
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The iPhone is meant to be a fancy phone. That's why it's not called iPDA.



There are plenty of those available for Windows, and they have so far failed to find a real market.

The iPhone DOES have a keyboard... in fact, its one of the most ADVANCED and CONFIGURABLE keyboards ever on a mobile device!

Newton is already here! Its the iPhone/iPod Touch!
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The iPhone is meant to be a fancy phone. That's why it's not called iPDA.

Pretty much all phones sold now are also part PDAs, even the ones that aren't called smart phones.

Call it what you want, iPhone is basically fancy PDA in every sense I can think of.
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The iPhone DOES have a keyboard... in fact, its one of the most ADVANCED and CONFIGURABLE keyboards ever on a mobile device!

Newton is already here! Its the iPhone/iPod Touch!

Close but that only counts in horseshoes. That is only the case for Touch. What Touch needs badly is Bluetooth and Audio in and out. Those two features would dramatically increase the utility of the devices. IPhone is marginal only because they have Bluetooth but it is not well supported.

To better support Newton like apps though we would need a device with a larger screen. Something that could be crammed into a pocket if needed. Those are really the two biggest limitations with respect to using the Touch as a Newton. Well that and software which isn't worth discussing right now.


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Of course the iPhone has PDA features, but the focus is on the device being a really good mix of phone and iPod.
The PDA thing is secondary in focus.

Now the iPod Touch is clearly being positioned as a portable internet device.
It will be interesting to see how that does in the coming months.

As for the keyboard, it's great for typing in the occasional meeting in iCal or adding a contact into Address Book while on the road.

But if you want to type out a letter using Google Apps, you will end up pulling out all of your hair.

A slide-in dock wallet with a real keyboard is the obvious solution, and won't add a lot of bulk.
I assure you that once the SDK is out, companies like Belkin and Matias will have a solution out there.
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Excuse me? Did you say 2012? 2TB?!?!

Today's iPos touch has a max of 16GB. HD capacity roughly follows Moore's Law and doubles every 24 months (not to be confused with overall performance, which doubles every 18 months). It's almost 2008, so that leaves two full cycles of Moore's Law units 2012... putting us at 64GB... 128GB at the very best. We can expect 2TB flash by 2020, maybe.

However, once we master nanotechnology, we may start falling into the "technological singularity," where devices start designing their successors... but I doubt that'll happen before 2020.

-Clive

We probably will still be on silicone based chips (or cubes?) at 2020, but they will be ending their life because of their microscopic size. Then the problems of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle will come into play, and we won't be able to go any smaller (or faster!). You can't rely on something smaller than .1 microns because of this problem.

We'll be looking at quantum transistors (single electrons trapped in their own boxes resonating at a certain frequency), or even the emergence of quantum computers (photons spinning individual atoms at different rotations, thus dealing in qubits, not bits). Then we're talking about the petaFLOP range of computing. I wouldn't expect to see that until about 2030 or so.

We could see the emergence of DNA computers for specific supercomputer tasks, but I don't think they will make it in the mainstream.
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This device is going to have an 11" screen and that's that!

Seriously though, if you go to the trouble and cut out various size screens in paper using the widescreen ratio that Apple will [obviously] use. It becomes quite apparent how small 7" is. Apple could have given the Air an 11" or 12" screen, they didn't. Apple knows how important screen size is, which is why their phone is on the big end of phone screen sizes, and their ultra-portable is on the larger end too.

Mark my words, this tablet, a.k.a. Mac touch will have around an 11" screen.

As for the dock? The could make it a cross between the dock on the iPhone and the Mac. One row of icons across the bottom of the screen, but you could flick it right to left to go to the next row of icons. Like flicking across homes screen, but instead with docks.

As for the cost? I'd say around $1099, possibly more. This will be a truly revolutionary, cutting-edge device, you have to pay to get that kind of stuff. Besides, the build quality and sexiness of this device will be second to none, and it will have very expensive flash storage too.

AND... to be clear, it will be a Mac.

That is all, for now
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This device is going to have an 11" screen and that's that!

Come on Ireland this is a Newton thread not a Mac Tablet thread. Just imagine how big that device would be to carry around in a pocket constantly. Sure the girls would notice but after they realize that it is a PC rather than their imaginations desire they will drop you like a lead ball.
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Seriously though, if you go to the trouble and cut out various size screens in paper using the widescreen ratio that Apple will [obviously] use. It becomes quite apparent how small 7" is.

Yes and no to Apple understanding screen sizes. I see the Touch as a good example of them not understanding what is required resolution and size wise to deliver media today. In any event look closely at devices with 4.5" to 5.5" screens you will be very surprised by what is already on the market and how useful those screens could be on a hand held device (that is a Netwon2).
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Apple could have given the Air an 11" or 12" screen, they didn't. Apple knows how important screen size is, which is why their phone is on the big end of phone screen sizes, and their ultra-portable is on the larger end too.

I don't know about that as I consider that even the iPhone is a little small. Lets face it larger is better up until a certain size for portable devices. So in a way we are not arguing that point but rather how large something can get and still be useful as a portable hand held device. I just can't see carrying around an 11" screen in my pocket nor clipped to a belt.
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Mark my words, this tablet, a.k.a. Mac touch will have around an 11" screen.

Mac Touch? Not for me honestly. I would rather see Apple release a Mobile based device that simply is open for software installation. Well that and fully outfitted for I/O. The main reason for this is to leave a lot of cruft from Mac OS/X behind. That is a new series of devices should not be supporting API's from 100 years ago.

Why? Well what is the point in supporting old programs, with old user interfaces, on a device that can't natively support them well? Tablets need software designed for tablets!
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As for the dock? The could make it a cross between the dock on the iPhone and the Mac. One row of icons across the bottom of the screen, but you could flick it right to left to go to the next row of icons. Like flicking across homes screen, but instead with docks.

Screw the docks! Give me a standard USB port.
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As for the cost? I'd say around $1099, possibly more. This will be a truly revolutionary, cutting-edge device, you have to pay to get that kind of stuff.

It is obvious that you and I are not even close to thinking about the same sort of device. I'm very much of the thought of a very mobile and very portable device like Newton. You seem to want a laptop in one of these. In any event $600 tops! Even that is expensive for a mass production machine.
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Besides, the build quality and sexiness of this device will be second to none, and it will have very expensive flash storage too.

With Apple you never know about build quality. As to flash storage they certainly could go that route or maybe a hybrid approach. Either way flash is no where near as expensive as it once was. A low end model of a Newton 2 should be able to go for about $400 easy and that is with Cell or WiMax connectivity.
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AND... to be clear, it will be a Mac.

There are to many disadvantages for Apple in support legacy Mac software. just imagine the howls when people have trouble with all those old user interfaces. You think that the media beat up on Newtons handwriting recognition to much, just wait until all the funky behavior from legacy apps pop up on these devices. No I think the smart thing for Apple is to break from the past and base these things on Mobile OS.
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That is all, for now

The big question is when the hell is Apple going to get this product out the door. It is such a shame that AIR took so much time and effort at Apple and produced such a wasteful product. The technology is here right now or certainly in the next few months.

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From Looprumors:
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New Apple touch device mid-year?
February 20th, 2008 | 09:51am CST | Posted by drawbob

LOOPRumors has learned through reliable sources that Apple is developing a new touch device with more sophisticated technologies than the iPhone. The new device, said to arrive by mid-2008 will use Multi-Touch 2.0 and incorporate a more robust processor, capable of more taxing tasks such as iChat video conferencing via Wi-Fi. While a specific processor was not mentioned, it's possible that Intel's new Montevina chip would be a candidate for the forthcoming device, or Apple would opt for the same custom processor Intel developed for the MacBook Air.

With such power, Apple could place a Jetson-like teleconferencing system in users' hands around the globe.

Specs on the new touch screen simply indicate that it will be longer than today's iPhone and iPod touch, with no specific dimensions mentioned.

The new device, said to be a computer/phone hybrid in a larger casing than today's iPhone and iPod touch, could use bandwidth hungry applications such as iChat over a 3G network -- which raises the question will this be Apple's answer to a 3G phone with longer battery life? Steve Jobs said that 3G chipsets drain battery life and therefor didn't incorporate it into the iPhone.

This new mini-computer would benefit from 3rd party developers already working with the software developer kit (SDK) due to arrive this month, possibly at a rumored secret event.

To all the doubters and the haters who thought it would never become reality......Booyaaaaaaa!!! Wut....WUT NOW HUH??? *pushes hand against foreheads of doubters as if to start a fight in the schoolyard* What ya gonna say now?.........Thought so!!
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This sounds more like its going to be an iPhone than a tablet Mac.
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This sounds more like its going to be an iPhone than a tablet Mac.

That actually is what I expected and what the general opinion is currently really. Apple is NOT going to do a copy of Microsoft's failed tablet pc products. It is going to be an oversized iphone/ipod touch with greater capabilities.
And despite it going against common wisdom I'm probably going to give in and get version 1.0.
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I don't mean just in the interface way, I mean this sounds like it is going to be the next iPhone. As in it will replace the current one. As in you will have the be an ATT subscriber.
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While a specific processor was not mentioned, it's possible that Intel's new Montevina chip would be a candidate for the forthcoming device, or Apple would opt for the same custom processor Intel developed for the MacBook Air.

Yeah, like a Montevina "chip" or the small package C2D of the MB Air in a phone (oversized or not) is gonna happen.

While I'm pretty sure Apple has more iPod touch variations in the labs, my guess is that they will keep using ARM for THAT kind of device.

When they feel like porting Mac OS X to more portable devices (than notebooks), they will use Silverthorne (2W), Diamondville SC (4W) or DC (8W), which are lower-cost, low-power, x86, 64-bit, multithreaded cpus. Available this summer/fall.
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Why do people keep referring to a "secret event" later this month? Has the Mac Web lost its mind?
Product release events are not secret, which goes against the very purpose of the gathering.

The word you guys are looking for is either "unannounced" or "media-only".
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I don't mean just in the interface way, I mean this sounds like it is going to be the next iPhone. As in it will replace the current one. As in you will have the be an ATT subscriber.

Ok well I suppose that never occured to me. That the larger device we all thought would be in spirit the newton 2 would actually be iphone 2.0? Um.....well I agree and disagree. The video conferencing ichat like feature sounds like something you would expect in the iphone 2.0 as a feature but not with this larger umpc like device.
Because the larger device would not be considered a phone anymore because it won't fit in the pocket as well. Yes, you might just have to be a subscriber to the wirless feature but it still won't be considered a phone. That would imply that you can buy it seperately like an ipod touch but like an iphone you would have to pay for the wireless features.
And at the same time, besides this newton device, there would also be a iphone 2.0. Both new devices would compliment each other.
Plus, I also predict the iphone nano which would be almost credit card sized. Just throwing that in the mix.
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This sounds more like its going to be an iPhone than a tablet Mac.

For many of us this is more of what we want than a Tablet Mac. Bigger screen and easy to carry being two really important aspects. In many ways the ideal Newton2. I do think it is a stretch though to believe that AIR's processor will end up in such a device. The best bet right now for the middle of 2008 delivery would be ARM processors.

Given Apple though I wouldn't be surprised if they try for Silverthorne. Long term it is the best portables solution going.

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And despite it going against common wisdom I'm probably going to give in and get version 1.0.

I could find my self in the same boat. As long as the unit doesn't require an expensive contract. Well that and be priced sky high.

I'm actually hoping for a device that allows Apple to give the user a choice. That is cell phone networking or WiMaX. WiMax is starting to look like a real alternative to the cell phone companies, at least where it is implemented. Further if the unit still supports WiFi we are covered in enough places to make the unit viable.

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Ok well I suppose that never occured to me. That the larger device we all thought would be in spirit the newton 2 would actually be iphone 2.0? Um.....well I agree and disagree.

Well I'm not surprised that Newton2 would have RF networking support. Will Newton2 and iPhone2 be the same thing. Frankly I doubt it, in one sense anyways.

By this I mean there will be a major revision to iPhone that enhances what is in the current package. Some might call that iPhone2. Newton2 might actually be an addition to the iPhone/iPod product line. This device's primary goal would be to deliver a larger screen and likely a more powerful computing platform.
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The video conferencing ichat like feature sounds like something you would expect in the iphone 2.0 as a feature but not with this larger umpc like device.

Newton2 is not a umpc type device and to lump them together just confuses people. Think of it as a more open and powerful iPod Touch. Newton2 would be a multimedia device with the ability to serve up the applications that the original Newton did. I don't think we will ever see a demand for desktop apps on these sorts of units.
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Because the larger device would not be considered a phone anymore because it won't fit in the pocket as well.

Watch the movie Definitely / Maybe for a visual study in the evolution of a cell phone. The ever smaller cell phone has been a marketing success even if such device make if very difficult to deliver all the benefits that they are alleged to have. IPhone has pretty much proven that a well designed platform can be bigger than the norm and be very successful. It is the ease of use that makes the difference.

As an example this new years I had an ultra small cell phone shoved into my hands to take some pictures. Frankly I didn't enjoy the experience at all. It was an issue with physically handling the phone that bothered me, it was just to small.
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Yes, you might just have to be a subscriber to the wirless feature but it still won't be considered a phone.

It is a phone if it can make voice calls as easy as iPhone. If it is obvious that that isn't its primary purpose then it is not a phone. Either way if it needs a $60 a month AT&T contact it will likely not get my attention. Now if AT&T offered up a $20 a month data only plan it would be very interesting indeed.
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That would imply that you can buy it seperately like an ipod touch but like an iphone you would have to pay for the wireless features.

I'm really hoping for a choice. That is cell or WiMax or whatever the future offers. If they can do this as a software defined radio that is only better. It would be extremely handy to be able to switch from WiMax to cell networking with a simple applications setting.
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And at the same time, besides this newton device, there would also be a iphone 2.0. Both new devices would compliment each other.

Better to have one device that is flexible in my mind. I'm not sure if the technology will be there by mid year to offer up any sort of RF connection but it will be soon. At that point the user can decide what sort of service he needs or doesn't need.
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Plus, I also predict the iphone nano which would be almost credit card sized. Just throwing that in the mix.

Actually I expected a simplified iPhone Nano if you will at MWSF. Apple can not be a one horse show in the cell phone world. It needs a very low end offering.

Dave
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Yes. I expect to see several different iphone like units to be sold by Apple very soon. They have to have a robust selection to compete and stay one step ahead of the industry. So most definately I do believe that this newton like device will NOT be the iphone 2.0 but a brand new device. The iphone 2 will debut at the same time.
I think what will happen is that Steve will debut the iphone 2 this month at either the New York event or the the event on Feb 26th as well as the newton2 device. That way they will have several months for the FCC to do their thing before Steve can put them up for sale later in the year.
Does anyone disagree?
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So, if it's bigger but still can fit into the average shirt pocket - it will be 3.5" - 3.75" x 4"- 4.5" in size.

Maybe it will come with a pen much like the ones FedEx / UPS use for signing their machine.

It WILL be available in Black, Silver, AND White (so it will be hidden in ALL of those White Business Man Shirts)

If not, it will be much larger, and will fit into a brief case

Hey, it's got to be one or the other

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Think outside the "box" ladies and gents.
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My bet is that it WILL be manufactured, and it will again change the way we work.

It will not be a small laptop. It will not be a PDA. It will not be a re-incarnation of the Newton.
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Don't think Personal Digital Assistant, think Personal Digital Life Manager... Imagine it cohesively linking your Mac, your AppleTV, your Home Theater, your Home Automation, etc. etc.

And your car.. I think you are correct. Knowledge Navigator 2008?
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The reincarnation of the Newton is the iPhone, the Mac touch is something else. Not a PDA, not a PDM, but a Mac with a touch screen. Don't over think it, this will purely be the Mac OS upgraded for a new user interface. With the Mac touch you have the first Mac where you actually feel like you are directly interacting with the software. That is why is isn't out yet, these things take a long time to do, and to do right.
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The reincarnation of the Newton is the iPhone,

If that was the case we wouldn't have this thread. Maybe iPhone could pass as Newton Jr. but if isn't what most people think of when thinking about the Newton 2. One of the big issues with Newton 2 is finding the right size screen to attract a suitable number of buyers. In is not as easy as some might think.

I honestly believe that Apple is close with the form factor of iPhone/Touch. that is a device that is slim and has a good part of the front surface occupied by the screen. The question them becomes how much larger can they go with increasing the screen size and still keep the unit hand held.
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the Mac touch is something else. Not a PDA, not a PDM, but a Mac with a touch screen.

As such it has no future. This is the point I've tried to get across before but having a device that supports legacy apps is not in Apples nor the devices best interest. Apps have to be written from the ground up to be useful on touch devices.
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Don't over think it, this will purely be the Mac OS upgraded for a new user interface.

Why bother when they can just go with Mobile OS and add back some of he BSD stuff? Frankly I see it as confusing the market way to much. Apple doesn't need one billion variants of API's to write for on production hardware.
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With the Mac touch you have the first Mac where you actually feel like you are directly interacting with the software. That is why is isn't out yet, these things take a long time to do, and to do right.[/QUOTE]

Oh come on it isn't that much of a leap over a mouse. If we where directly interacting with the software we would be talking to the computer. Now some do already, especially when off their meds, but it is a practical avenue of computer interaction right now. All Apple is really accomplishing with the Touch interface is getting rid of the mouse. It provides for interfsce methods that at useful on the go.

Speaking of which one has to wonder if any of the alluded to input methods are likely to be completely useful on a hand held device.

Dave
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Well you have all the OS X apps, and iLife to use at the start anyway. Point is they would be tailored for this device. And yes, getting rid of the trackpad and the keyboard an a mobile computer is a big deal. It means you can have customized buttons to suit the app you are using, and the keyboard is only there when you need it. The newton was a PDA, the iPhone is more. Smaller doesn't make it less. Hand recognition? No one needs that on a phone, would serve no purpose.

As I see it if you don't think the iPhone is the new Newton, then I don't see a new Newton being released at all. I am convinced this device will be a multi-touch tablet with a screen size around 11". It will be a mobile "computer" and the multi-touch user-interface will make it the best mobile computer on the planet, and the desire of every computer user alive. Not just a hand-held, but to be used on flat surfaces also, be it the school desk, a table, or a tray on the plane. Would be a great couch computer also.

It will have to be sufficiently more powerful and capable than an iPhone for Apple to bother going to the trouble of making and selling it, and the only way I see that happening is if they make it "a Mac". A Mac with a 7" screen, Steve wouldn't do that. He could have given the Air an 11" screen, but he knows how important screen real estate is on a Mac. And giving the Air a 13" screen makes room for this even smaller, sexier device to come along. And being that multi-touch is a different user-interface I can see 11" felling big when you are actually touching the screen. 11" Mac touch FTW!
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Ture, but there are those of us, who don't want / need an iPod or iPhone, who will gladly purchase a iNewton:, iPDA, itrack, iplan or whatever they end up calling it

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PS Not sure who said it, but "Give the folks, what they want" or was it "Build it, and they will come"

Wouldn't an iPod Touch meet your needs then?
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Hey, you're reviving a thread from Feb.

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Wouldn't an iPod Touch meet your needs then?

For me - I'd need a slightly bigger screen and pen input.
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Its looking like there will be no mactouch til macworld 09.
Doesn't anyone have any new info?
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Its looking like there will be no mactouch til macworld 09.
Doesn't anyone have any new info?

No we don't. We're all guessing. It's definitely not coming until 2009, and probably not even Macworld but it would make sense.
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