Originally Posted by wizard69
First I think everybody ought to realize that my beef, with Apple, is in running third party apps. Some here seem to be confusing that with unlocking the phone for a different carrier. These are two different things altogether.
You are under a misapprehension. Adding third party apps isn't something that Apple necessarily wants to prevent. But, it happens.
How many times do you have to update a program because Apple has updated the OS? When Apple has an upgrade, such as we will have shortly in 10.5 (hopefully), many programs stop working, and we have to wait for them to get fixed. how many times has Apple said to unplug external hardware before up grading? How many problems have we had from Firewire? I lost two drives because of that.
Yet, we don't say that Apple is deliberately doing this. Or do you?
Second people should look at this article: http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...iphone-to-bits
over on Ars. Here you have a representative of Apple the corporation saying that Apple doesn't have an issue with third party applications. This only a couple of weeks ago. So either he didn't have a clue about the update, in which case he is utterly useless or we have been subjected to a corporate lie.
This is old news already. I think that he was giving Apple's policy. But then others read what he had said, and told that it couldn't be guaranteed.
There are not to many ways to look at this. Either he knew what was coming and purposefully mislead the public or he is useless as a Apple representative.
This wasn't the first time an executive of a company says something off the cuff, only to find out that there are ramifications that he didn't think about.
That's why it's so unusual for an Apple executive to do that. It's something that people here complain about.
This is why. He should have had his remarks vetted first. But, that can't be done in a live interview.
There doesn't have to be anything sinister about it as you imply. It's simply ridiculous to think that he would try to mislead the public on that. What would have been the point? You can't explain it.
You don't think that he would have known that he would have had his statement modified?
You can argue all you want but clearly from public statements made by Apple representatives the use of third party apps though unsupported wasn't something they where against.
Further you seem to have a big problem here in understanding what is going on. It is Apples software that is bricking the iPhones NOT THE MODS. Further it is Apples software that is preventing third party apps from loading now.
No. It's pretty obvious that you are the one who dosn't know what is going on. You're so pissed that you don't have what you want that you're trying to find excuses for your mistake, to make yourself feel better.
That is rather a deep pile of BS. That is like saying that ones warranty on a PC should be suspended if a piece of software that is not manufacture supported is loaded on to. The point is the iPhone is a computer running Mac OS X that can support third party apps just as well as any other Apple computer. I really can't fathom how you can equate loading an application onto a computer as bastardizing it.
PC's are made to load other software. Apple never said that they would allow unauthorized third parties to do so. Just the opposite. From the very beginning Jobs said that third party software was likely, but that it would have to go through Apple.
I do hope you read the supplied link. Not much more than a couple of weeks ago they where practically embracing third party apps.
We all know what they said. You harp on one thing so much, you aren't thinking it through.
They never welcomed these unauthorized apps and installers. It was more like toleration.
The question from the very beginning was whether Apple would react unfavorability. They said they didn't care, but they have no responsibility to worry about whether they work or not.
If they screw it up they most certainly have an obligation to fix it. This is the point I'm getting at and everyone keeps glossing over Apple is the one responsible for the bricks. They are responsible for the fixes in the same way that MS is responsible for the patches and updates they offer.
This is one of your big problems. You don't want to admit that it could be the third party work that's screwed up.
Don't you know that even with its computers, Apple warns developers not to use certain memory locations, "reserved" areas, or certain undocumented "features" of the OS, or hardware, because Apple may use them in the future, and the programs that utilize them may stop working?
Well, you may not have noticed, but so far, Apple has not released an SDK for this. These "developers" have no idea where they shouldn't be stepping. Apple hasn't told them where not to go. Is it really so surprising that things will either stop working, or get wiped out? Is it so surprising that Apple may be changing those specs as the phone's software evolves?
It shouldn't be.
No fooling. I just hope that the consumer rights people start to pick up on this a bit.
That's absurd. Some twit will try to sue, but will lose.
As I've mentioned in other forums this is the equivalent to taking you care into the garage for service and having the tech apply an update that leaves you with a few features missing in exchange for more limited access to the automobile. It can be likened to adding a fancy new dashboard clock and at the same time deleting half of the accessible radio stations on the car radio and locking out its CD transport.
You can say it all you want, but it isn't any more true because you are saying it.
It's more like you modding the engine, which then no longer works when you take it in for service, and they either require you to pay for the entire job of putting it right, or you lose your warrantee, and they won't fix it at all.
I wonder what people would do if the calendar app of some other program was deleted or made inoperative.
What are you talking about? That makes no sense.