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post #81 of 162
I had a completely stock phone aside from a few custom ringtones installed via iTunes 7.4.1.x. I had to do a full restore, update, restore, and sync. I didn't lose any of my data but I did lose about 30 minutes of my time. Also, my custom AAC ringtones no longer work as ringtones although they do sync to the phone. Oh well, time to upgrade to iTunes 7.4.2.

New double-tap home feature is worth it though.
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post #82 of 162
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Originally Posted by SurfRat View Post

Noticed the same thing. Anyone else have this experience?

My speaker sounds great in the IMS and is notably louder.

The double tap is great. Hopefully just the beginning of the many improvements to come!


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post #83 of 162
I don't own an iPhone, but this looks like a very nice update to me - at least on paper.
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post #84 of 162
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Originally Posted by SurfRat View Post

Noticed the same thing. Anyone else have this experience?

Sounds like modern music mastering techniques
post #85 of 162
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Originally Posted by jwyatt View Post

it's a friggin' phone not a pda; can't be everything to everybody. It's a great phone by the way.

First off if i was "a frigging' phone" as you say it would cost $29 and barely have enough features to justify that price. Simply put the iPHone is a smart cell phone with some pretty significant multimedia capabilities. Notice the SMART in front of cell phone? Smart cell phones are a growing and dynamic market with surprisingly more than a couple of players. These players have seen the wisdom of user installable apps and features.

What I was referencing earlier doesn't even involve user installable apps. Rather the concern is the ability to manage data on the iPhone through either a built in file manager or via a disk mode feature. I don't think this is asking a lot especially considering that the iPhone will soon have 16 gigs of disk space to manage. This is especially the case when there are two options available and mentioned and like more that haven't been considered.

As to being a great phone, iPhone started out that way, or at least had good potential. However it didn't take long for Apple to drag the iPhone through the mud and get people to focus on the negatives. In any event it looks like Apple is about to treat their customer base as if they where children and micro manage their every move. Some like being lead around while others of us prefer to blaze our own paths. In effect with todays release of an upgrade toeh iPhone Apple has clearly shown that they can take a product with great potential and totally ruin the consumer response to the device.

Dave
post #86 of 162
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

First off if i was "a frigging' phone" as you say it would cost $29 and barely have enough features to justify that price. Simply put the iPHone is a smart cell phone with some pretty significant multimedia capabilities. Notice the SMART in front of cell phone? Smart cell phones are a growing and dynamic market with surprisingly more than a couple of players. These players have seen the wisdom of user installable apps and features.

What I was referencing earlier doesn't even involve user installable apps. Rather the concern is the ability to manage data on the iPhone through either a built in file manager or via a disk mode feature. I don't think this is asking a lot especially considering that the iPhone will soon have 16 gigs of disk space to manage. This is especially the case when there are two options available and mentioned and like more that haven't been considered.

As to being a great phone, iPhone started out that way, or at least had good potential. However it didn't take long for Apple to drag the iPhone through the mud and get people to focus on the negatives. In any event it looks like Apple is about to treat their customer base as if they where children and micro manage their every move. Some like being lead around while others of us prefer to blaze our own paths. In effect with todays release of an upgrade toeh iPhone Apple has clearly shown that they can take a product with great potential and totally ruin the consumer response to the device.

Dave

okay, I'll buy that
post #87 of 162
anyone notice no change with the volume of the speaker?
post #88 of 162
Mine has stayed the same too.
post #89 of 162
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

One down, several million more morons to go!

Make that several million + 1 foul-mouth to go......
post #90 of 162
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Mine has stayed the same too.

Mine is a lot louder.......a lot more distorted. The iPod sounds like crap, but the text msg alert is noticably louder. What is nicely improved is the louder sound when playing a movie thru the speaker, you can actually hear it now.
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post #91 of 162
Anyone else notice if you double click the Home button in stand-by mode that iPod controls show up without the need to slide the unlock slider? Pretty cool little feature. This has nothing to do with the double click feature once the phone is unlocked to the home screen or any other screen. It then works as you set it through the settings panel.

Just wish the would ad multiple deleting to email, that would be so simple...
post #92 of 162
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

In effect with todays release of an upgrade toeh iPhone Apple has clearly shown that they can take a product with great potential and totally ruin the consumer response to the device.

Dave

So return your iPhone and get a razor and quit putting your whinny woes up here. You're probably a Windows user too!
post #93 of 162
My volume is a lot louder in every application. Sometimes to the point of distortion, but most of the sounds are much better now. I'm hoping the vibration is affected too, which I haven't really used yet.
post #94 of 162
Don't know if this is due to the update or if AT&T added some cell towers to my neighborhood, but I was unable to get a signal from inside my home, but I now notice that I have about 2-3 bars with it sitting in the charger. Very Cool.
post #95 of 162
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Originally Posted by FlashmanBurgess View Post

Don't know if this is due to the update or if AT&T added some cell towers to my neighborhood, but I was unable to get a signal from inside my home, but I now notice that I have about 2-3 bars with it sitting in the charger. Very Cool.

The charger/cable moderately enhance the antenna's reception. You can test this for yourself by removing the iPhone from the charger, by a distance of a few feet, and observe if there is any change.

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post #96 of 162
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So return your iPhone and get a razor and quit putting your whinny woes up here. You're probably a Windows user too!

Clap! Clap! Clap! And don't forget to sign off of this forum for good. If you don't like the product, return it or sell it. Don't tell us about it.
post #97 of 162
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Originally Posted by NewMacMan View Post

Clap! Clap! Clap! And don't forget to sign off of this forum for good. If you don't like the product, return it or sell it. Don't tell us about it.

The thing that is interesting about this line of thinking is unlike let's say Ford vs. Chevy, Harley vs. Honda etc. is that once someone decides to buy a particular brand, they usually defend their decision because otherwise they look like a fool for buying something and then complaining that it is a piece of crap. Go figure???

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post #98 of 162
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

The charger/cable moderately enhance the antenna's reception. You can test this for yourself by removing the iPhone from the charger, by a distance of a few feet, and observe if there is any change.

m

Ok, so the update had no effect on the reception. I took it off as you said and it almost immediately went to "No Service". I was so excited too, as I'd love to use my iPhone in the house rather than my house phone. I live right on the water so getting a good mobile reception is difficult unless you are on Verizon. AT&T just needs to step up on the coverage. Let's go AT&T, get with the program.
post #99 of 162
The volume of my ringtones doesn't seem to have changed either, although the volume of playing songs does seem louder (even a bit distorted at full volume).

I've also noticed:

1) At end of videos, we no longer get the query to delete the video to save space
2) Holding down selected keys (e.g., o, e) on keyboard will pop up a new sub-menu of special foreign character modifications
3) The double tap on Home key while iPhone is locked always brings up the iPod controls
4) The double tap on Home key while iPhone is unlocked uses the choice made in Settings
5) WiFi access to iTunes stores works perfectly, and quickly, but ONLY for music
6) Changing the order of Weather widgets/Stock widgets works by clicking on Info buttons and dragging items into desired display order
7) Debug menu in Settings/Safari/Developer will identify web page errors when using Safari
8) Calculator icon changed to same as that used on iPod touch
9) There appears to be a small improvement in responsiveness. When I wake up locked iPhone, then enter my PIN, the click sounds start immediately as I enter the PIN. Previously, the click sounds only sounded when I was nearly done entering my PIN.
10) Lap counter on stopwatch still restarts after clicking Lap button, vice normal stopwatch behavior of displaying total time since last Reset.
11) Settings/Sounds Text Message option to select different notification sound, but no separate volume control as some have said was added
12) Brightness control now works (before update auto-brightness didn't work... turning it on/off now shows clear brightness selection change)
13) Settings/General/Network now gives option to turn off Data Roaming (i.e., turn off EDGE when not on AT&T network to avoid paying roaming fees to third party carrier for checking Mail in background)
14) Settings/General/Keyboard now offers option to double tap on spacebar on keyboard to generate a period with a space following it when entering text.
15) Settings/iPod/TV Out offers options to switch between NTSC (US)/PAL (Europe) and Widescreen when using new composite/component video cables through dock connector.
16) Cover Flow still doesn't change albums properly when playing music changes to another album (you have to change to portrait mode then back to Cover Flow to see the correct album)

I just thought it would be useful to compose a simple list of the things I noticed that changed/didn't change (but should have) to add to the general discussion about the update, quite aside from the negative effects of the update on some iPhones.

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post #100 of 162
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Originally Posted by NewMacMan View Post

Clap! Clap! Clap! And don't forget to sign off of this forum for good. If you don't like the product, return it or sell it. Don't tell us about it.

Ok I see people have been misunderstanding me. The product itself and the engineering that went into it is pretty marvelous. The programmers and electrical engineers working on this project really deserve a lot of good credit.

The problem is the attitude of Apples management to the customers they are selling these things to. Either Apple doesn't understand why people would want a smart phone or they just don't give two hoots about their customers.

As to telling people about perceived short comings isn't that what these forums are all about\\? In this case the short comings pointed out are real and have lead people to loose data through the upgrade process. That is pretty significant if you ask me.

By the way I don't currently own a iPhone as I was waiting for this so called massive update to see if some of my issues with the iPhone have been addressed. They all haven't been, but what is far worst is that Apple is trying very hard to make the unit even less appealing. Completely cutting off third party apps is a big part of that negative turn. But what the hell, apparently you don't think people should be informed and frugal consumers.

Dave
post #101 of 162
As I posted in this Apple Insider forum topic yesterday, there is a new iPhone version 1.1.1 bug concerning password capitalization.

It affects logging into website forums such as this one as well as logging in anywhere that requires a password to be filled in, such as corporate webmail logins, etc. -- if you have capital letters in your password.

What is going on is that when entering your password using your iPhone and using the iPhone's capitalization key, it now acts weird, in this way:

When tapping the capitalization button (and not a double-tap) it now remains on and makes not just the first letter you type after that a capital letter, but all of them -- until you manually turn off the capitalization. It is now acting as if you double-clicked it, but does not turn blue (assuming you have enabled this in your settings).

This messed me up many times yesterday before I saw/realized that the capitalization button was not turning off automatically after a letter was pressed after turning the button on, as it used to do (and probably is supposed to do).

I don't think this is a new "feature" but a new bug, and I point it out to all reading this who are wondering why they are all of a sudden having trouble logging into this forum (and all similar forums: it is happening on my Disney Echo forum as well).

I reported this bug to Apple yesterday, but this is also a heads-up to all until they put out another revision, fixing this bug.

I don't know how the capitalization bug happens just on password fields and not when generally typing things in anywhere else, including writing an email message, in notes, or even in the log-in field when logging in anywhere.

Perhaps Apple didn't catch this bug in 1.1.1 because they used all lowercase letters in passwords when they testing logging in? I wonder how this got past them.

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post #102 of 162
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

The thing that is interesting about this line of thinking is unlike let's say Ford vs. Chevy, Harley vs. Honda etc. is that once someone decides to buy a particular brand, they usually defend their decision because otherwise they look like a fool for buying something and then complaining that it is a piece of crap. Go figure???

That is a reality one has to live with. The problem with this update is that I thought it would address some rather simple issues that I had so that I could justify buying the iPhone. Instead Apple goes and makes the iPhone even less appealing than it was before the update.

Don't get me wrong I'm very interested in the iPhone and some of its shortcomings where being addressed by the independent developer community. That community had come fr enough along that the iPhone was becoming very appealing to me. Now I understand that not everyone is amendable to hacked apps on their mobile phone, for me though this was an avenue to making the iPhone justifiable.

I guess what makes me mad about this update is that Apple via the update is taking away from the user base and giving them very little in return. Believe me iTunes on the iPhone is very little.

Dave
post #103 of 162
Thanks for your observations.

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16) Cover Flow still doesn't change albums properly when playing music changes to another album (you have to change to portrait mode then back to Cover Flow to see the correct album)

I think the current functionality exhibits the correct behavior. Cover flow only responds to touch. That is, if I understand your meaning... for example, if I were browsing the albums when the song happened to change, you are suggesting that the display should abruptly jump to some other album art instead of staying on the one I was studying. If that is what you meant, I think that would be annoying to have to re-find the one I was interested in reading.

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post #104 of 162
I haven't hacked my iPhone at all, and was dismayed when initially updating I got the scary yellow triangle with the exclamation point and it said I needed to factory reinstall the phone. I did so and magically it restored all my old settings including notes and favorites. Whew.

I've noticed no changes in volume which bites. Biggest problem though is that the battery is acting weird. I charged it overnight like I always do. Normally I get 2 days worth of battery with normal use. This morning when I took it off the cradle at full. When I went to check it after it being off the charger for 30 mins it was already at 50%. Scary.

Anyone else having issues?
post #105 of 162
OK, I've read several hundred posts on several forums about the update, many upset with the effect of the update on their iPhone (because they modified the standard configuration in some way), and the other side unsympathetically bashing them for updating anyway following all the warnings about returning the iPhone to a standard state before running the update. I really do understand both sides, but think we need to step back, take a deep breath, and address what really may be happening.

I was a dedicated Newton user in the '90s and really hated to see it die when Jobs returned to Apple, but understand and accept the comments he made to stop the company from hemorrhaging cash to help it recover from a decade of mismanagement. I also empathize with the hackers who really want an Apple PDA and think the iPhone may be the platform to allow that to happen.

What's unclear is what Apple's intent is. Is Apple just making a foray into the cell phone market to capitalize on the mismanagement in that industry to create a portable product closer to what it believes customers want, creating a new cash cow for Apple along the way? Or, is it a first step down the road to creating a new communications/data management device with much broader implications?

That's a confusing question. Initially, it seemed the iPhone was going to become this all-in-one communications/portable computer platform. Then, Apple muddied the waters by closing down developer's access to the platform to offer non-web connected applications to run on it. Apple's reply was that it wanted its customers to get used to this new paradigm for a portable communications device that handled calls, music, video, email, notes, and the like, all tightly integrated to work together in a seamless way. Then, down the road when that paradigm was clearly understood, to allow third parties to join the game with their applications taking advantage of that tight integration. However, to accomplish that, everyone needed to understand first how this new platform was designed to work.

That seems a reasonable explanation, but I wonder if more is going on here. Apple's recent comments designed to discourage its new iPhone users in turning its new toy into just another PDA (e.g., Windows Mobile) support this thought. I see Apple's comments about users not messing with the software in the iPhone as having more to do with its platform plans, than with AT&T's exclusive 5-year deal. Apple made a deal to get its vision on the road (rejecting carriers who wouldn't allow Apple to exercise the level of control it needed to implement its plans), and now wants to exercise an iron hand to keep its new baby under control while it develops its vision.

If Apple permits third parties to turn the iPhone into just another PDA, we'll never see where Apple wants to go with this device. So, is Apple just being an ordinary company pushing a new product out to start up a new revenue stream, or is Jobs moving forward with a new device that it hopes will become so much more than a mere cell phone or ordinary PDA? I see the Starbucks deal, and the iPhone's ubiquitous WiFi access, as important clues to where Apple is looking.

We'll be better able to assess that as we see what other products Apple releases over the coming year. If Apple actually releases a next generation portable computer/Newton successor in 2008, we'll have our answer.

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post #106 of 162
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I think the current functionality exhibits the correct behavior. Cover flow only responds to touch. That is, if I understand your meaning... for example, if I were browsing the albums when the song happened to change, you are suggesting that the display should abruptly jump to some other album art instead of staying on the one I was studying. If that is what you meant, I think that would be annoying to have to re-find the one I was interested in reading.
m

Thanks for the reply. I hadn't considered that viewpoint. I guess it only goes to show one's person's bug is another's feature.

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post #107 of 162
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

First off if i was "a frigging' phone" as you say it would cost $29 and barely have enough features to justify that price. Simply put the iPHone is a smart cell phone with some pretty significant multimedia capabilities. Notice the SMART in front of cell phone? Smart cell phones are a growing and dynamic market with surprisingly more than a couple of players. These players have seen the wisdom of user installable apps and features.

What I was referencing earlier doesn't even involve user installable apps. Rather the concern is the ability to manage data on the iPhone through either a built in file manager or via a disk mode feature. I don't think this is asking a lot especially considering that the iPhone will soon have 16 gigs of disk space to manage. This is especially the case when there are two options available and mentioned and like more that haven't been considered.

As to being a great phone, iPhone started out that way, or at least had good potential. However it didn't take long for Apple to drag the iPhone through the mud and get people to focus on the negatives. In any event it looks like Apple is about to treat their customer base as if they where children and micro manage their every move. Some like being lead around while others of us prefer to blaze our own paths. In effect with todays release of an upgrade toeh iPhone Apple has clearly shown that they can take a product with great potential and totally ruin the consumer response to the device.

Dave

As proven by its sales track record.
post #108 of 162
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Originally Posted by Dave Marsh View Post

I've also noticed:

3) The double tap on Home key while iPhone is locked always brings up the iPod controls

8) Calculator icon changed to same as that used on iPod touch

12) Brightness control now works (before update auto-brightness didn't work... turning it on/off now shows clear brightness selection change)


My brightness adjustment always responded... I don't see a difference.

Wondering why such a rapid change in Calculator icons for Apple products? Was this an error corrected?

I like the Home button's double tap to bring up favorites... But iPod controls do not appear when performing the function when locked on my iPhone....

How about letting us read the actual email in landscape mode Apple!


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post #109 of 162
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I like the Home button's double tap to bring up favorites... But iPod controls do not appear when performing the function when locked on my iPhone....
glennQ

Clarification: On my iPhone, after clicking the Wake/Sleep button, but before moving slider to enter PIN, if I double tap the Home button, it brings up the iPod controls.

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post #110 of 162
I don't have any sympathy for people that hacked their phone or installed apps. from another developer. Yeah, it would be great if Apple allowed third party apps, but they didn't. It is their product to police. And it's their way of keeping the software stable. It's a great product without any additional features, and should be reviewed and appreciated that way.
post #111 of 162
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How about letting us read the actual email in landscape mode Apple!
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I hear you on that request, Glenn. A lot of us are waiting for landscape mode in mail. I'm sure we'll get that one of these days. That'll be sweet.
post #112 of 162
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Thanks for the reply. I hadn't considered that viewpoint. I guess it only goes to show one's person's bug is another's feature.

I guess it doesn't work exactly like the computer version of Cover Flow which waits about 15 seconds of idle time before going to the current album art in the case that you are interacting with the interface. Maybe they decided to not allow it to reset on the iPhone for the reason that the portrait view does this already and the iPhone version of Cover Flow is also used to view the album contents unlike the computer version.

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The volume of my ringtones doesn't seem to have changed either, although the volume of playing songs does seem louder (even a bit distorted at full volume).

I've also noticed:

1) At end of videos, we no longer get the query to delete the video to save space
2) Holding down selected keys (e.g., o, e) on keyboard will pop up a new sub-menu of special foreign character modifications
3) The double tap on Home key while iPhone is locked always brings up the iPod controls
4) The double tap on Home key while iPhone is unlocked uses the choice made in Settings
5) WiFi access to iTunes stores works perfectly, and quickly, but ONLY for music
6) Changing the order of Weather widgets/Stock widgets works by clicking on Info buttons and dragging items into desired display order
7) Debug menu in Settings/Safari/Developer will identify web page errors when using Safari
8) Calculator icon changed to same as that used on iPod touch
9) There appears to be a small improvement in responsiveness. When I wake up locked iPhone, then enter my PIN, the click sounds start immediately as I enter the PIN. Previously, the click sounds only sounded when I was nearly done entering my PIN.
10) Lap counter on stopwatch still restarts after clicking Lap button, vice normal stopwatch behavior of displaying total time since last Reset.
11) Settings/Sounds Text Message option to select different notification sound, but no separate volume control as some have said was added
12) Brightness control now works (before update auto-brightness didn't work... turning it on/off now shows clear brightness selection change)
13) Settings/General/Network now gives option to turn off Data Roaming (i.e., turn off EDGE when not on AT&T network to avoid paying roaming fees to third party carrier for checking Mail in background)
14) Settings/General/Keyboard now offers option to double tap on spacebar on keyboard to generate a period with a space following it when entering text.
15) Settings/iPod/TV Out offers options to switch between NTSC (US)/PAL (Europe) and Widescreen when using new composite/component video cables through dock connector.
16) Cover Flow still doesn't change albums properly when playing music changes to another album (you have to change to portrait mode then back to Cover Flow to see the correct album)

I just thought it would be useful to compose a simple list of the things I noticed that changed/didn't change (but should have) to add to the general discussion about the update, quite aside from the negative effects of the update on some iPhones.

This is fantastically helpful. Thank you!!
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This is fantastically helpful. Thank you!!

No problem. I just got tired of reading through pages of emotionalism, when all I wanted to know was what people were experiencing with the update, and how the changes were working. Summarizing it seemed the best thing to do for others with this interest. \

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I don't have any sympathy for people that hacked their phone or installed apps. from another developer. Yeah, it would be great if Apple allowed third party apps, but they didn't. It is their product to police. And it's their way of keeping the software stable. It's a great product without any additional features, and should be reviewed and appreciated that way.

Well I think this is where 99% of the people here disagree. After they made the sale the device is yours. Apple shouldn't have the freedom to modify stuff that you own in a way that breaks and renders useless the product.

This in a nut shell is the problem, APPLE is damaging hardware that people own. The hackers aren't doing it and honestly the owners aren't either. It is apples installation of the update that is breaking things.. Unfortunately the update doesn't appear to have a very good track record, on this forum at least, of trouble free updates on unmodified iPhones.

If Apple had released an update that simply undid what ever was done to unlock it, that would be one thing. But going to this whole, anti consumer, screw the user, break his iPhone level, is a wholly different issue. It is one thing to release an update that adds functionality and fixes issues it it totally different to release an update that destroys what the user originally paid for.

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...APPLE is damaging hardware that people own.

If this is true, then I would agree that Apple would be behaving improperly. However, I haven't read anything that leads me to believe that Apple is intentionally attempting to brick user's devices. In fact, I think they've gone out of their way to warn users modifying their iPhones that it would be risky to run their updates, since their programmers assume a certain software configuration when updating code to fix bugs and add new features. If that assumption is invalid, Apple is warning users that unexpected results may occur.

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post #117 of 162
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Well I think this is where 99% of the people here disagree. After they made the sale the device is yours. Apple shouldn't have the freedom to modify stuff that you own in a way that breaks and renders useless the product.

This in a nut shell is the problem, APPLE is damaging hardware that people own. The hackers aren't doing it and honestly the owners aren't either. It is apples installation of the update that is breaking things.. Unfortunately the update doesn't appear to have a very good track record, on this forum at least, of trouble free updates on unmodified iPhones.

If Apple had released an update that simply undid what ever was done to unlock it, that would be one thing. But going to this whole, anti consumer, screw the user, break his iPhone level, is a wholly different issue. It is one thing to release an update that adds functionality and fixes issues it it totally different to release an update that destroys what the user originally paid for.

Dave

Not at all.

If you modify a piece of equipment, or the controlling software in a way not supported by the manufacturer, they have no responsibility to fix something that your unauthorized software mods has bricked when a legit upgrade from the manufacturer is applied.

Once you've modded it this way, you no longer have the product that "the user originally paid for", but a bastardized version.

You should know this when you buy the product, esp when the company says they are not going to support this stuff, and when the warrantee states this specificlly.

Sure, you can do whatever you want with the product. But they don't have to fix it it either.

If you're not happy about this then you shouldn't buy it.
post #118 of 162
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If this is true, then I would agree that Apple would be behaving improperly. However, I haven't read anything that leads me to believe that Apple is intentionally attempting to brick user's devices. In fact, I think they've gone out of their way to warn users modifying their iPhones that it would be risky to run their updates, since their programmers assume a certain software configuration when updating code to fix bugs and add new features. If that assumption is invalid, Apple is warning users that unexpected results may occur.

That is exactly what is happening but the anti-Apple wags will surely be singing a different tune.
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post #119 of 162
Hi All,

I updated my iPhone's firmware to 1.1.1 yesterday and seem to have lost almost half of my contact information from the address program on my Mac.

This is has affected all programs that use the Address Book, such as FAXstf Pro etc etc.

The contacts are still on my iPhone however.

What was deleted from the iPhone are all the songs on the iPod portion.

Seems like pretty strange behavior to me, like the update somehow corrupted my desktop Mac????

Anyone else have any similar issues?

Anyone have a good way to fix this problem?

Thanks in advance!
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I applied the update late the other night and had no issues whatsoever. Everything loaded and worked perfectly.

However, I did make sure that all my software, including the recent iLife 08 update, had been applied to my machine beforehand. (I just purchased the new 2.0GB 20" iMac--maybe that has something to do with it, too.)

For me, the update was worth it simply for the increase in handset volume. Previously, I found it almost impossible to hear someone on the phone if i was in a reasonably noisy environment, even if I was pushing the phone against my ear with the volume turned all the way up. That's no longer the case anymore, as the volume across the board is much, much louder, whether I'm holding the phone to my ear (my biggest concern) or using the speakerphone.

So, mark me as one of those in the "pleased" column.

GTSC
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