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"The lawsuit goes on to accuse Apple, Jobs and AT&T of forcing customers into 2-year service agreements with AT&T and imposing hefty $175 termination fees."

I'll never forget that terrifying night. I was just sitting at home, minding my own business, when Steve Jobs and a platoon of AT&T thugs burst through my front door.

"YOU are getting an iPhone right now, on launch day, and you're going to have to sign a contract indicating that you'll use it for TWO YEARS! BWA HA HA HA HA," said the Steve, wringing his hands in evil glee.

The AT&T thugs manhandled me into a waiting unmarked black van and took me down to the Apple Store at The Grove in West Hollywood. Hovering helicopters and troops with vicious, snarling dogs kept the damned in line as we waited, huddled in fear, knowing our only choices were to sign the two year contract or be put up against the back wall of the Apple Store and shot.

I survived that night. But I know a lot of people who didn't. I see their faces whenever I get a call on my iPhone, because I screwed up my contacts list and all the portraits are wrong.

For the sake of the dead, I hope she wins.


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post #82 of 129
There have been some ridiculous suits so far, but this takes the cake.

To win a suit, don't the things you're accusing the company of actually have to be ILLEGAL? Seriously, can't any company lower the price on any item as much as they want at any time with no warning? That's not illegal, if it was it would make it impossible to sell products at all.

At least the hot coffee case was debatable, there was at least an argument to be made whether you agree with it or not. In this case, there's nothing more to it than someone suing because they're unhappy. I don't know what the hell that lawyer is thinking, there is no case and they're just wasting their time, and anyone with a clue about law should know that.
post #83 of 129
If this goes through there will be a free for all. Maybe I should sue because Jobs upgraded the first gen Macbook Pro's 3 months after their introduction and after I'd spent over three grand buying a 2.16g with a souped up 7200rpm hard drive and 2 gig of ram etc. It certainly devalued mine..... OR, maybe I can go on accepting that innovation is essential to the growth of the company and future products and get on with my life.

I'm begging any judge looking at these suits in general to throw them out with monetary sanctions against the lawyers for filing frivolous actions. It's not these stupid clients who are to blame, it's the greedy lawyers hoping for a class action "settlement", which includes significant compensation for them that are to blame. Take away the incentive and you eliminate the crap.

Stupid idiot should have done what I did anyway, bought the stock at $22.00 before it rose, split and rose again, instead of bitching about how much money Apple made. Damn, I made money thanks to Steve and I'm only sorry I didn't buy more back then!
post #84 of 129
With all these articles about suing only increasing on AppleInsider, I grow sicker and sicker each time I read them (even if I only read their titles). And to think, some people actually have the gall to still believe America is "The land of the free." It is also disheartening to see just how many computer users out there log onto this site only to vigorously defend each and every lawsuit brought to their attention by these articles, defending them under the "freedom to sue" argument.

There's no more freedom in American lawsuits today than there is for a parent to give "freedom" to his 3-year-old to play ball on a busy street. True freedom has restrictions attached, as should be the case with legal action of any kind in America.

Sadly, Americans are currently blind to the fact they are nothing more than slaves to the System, where Lawyers and Political Activist Judges are their taskmasters. What a sad and sorry condition this is. And how much sadder it is when Americans fight to defend such a foolish and outrageously unjust system.

You defenders of the status quo in America are hopelessly lost, destined to never see the forest for the trees; all the while things get worst, with prison inmates having the right to burden our courts with suits against Steve Jobs and OJ Simpson, or our elected representatives being allowed to frivilously sue God Himself.

Americans have willingly allowed their legal system to become the ultimate cesspool of foolishness.
post #85 of 129
if she wanted a 8G phone, she should have ordered a 8 G phone. Apple didn't force her to wait in line and buy a 4 G phone. I really don't know why people waste their time in line when a new product comes out other than they have plenty of time on their hands and they want to be the first to own one so that everyone else can envy them.

I really hope they throw this one out. Give her the $100 rebate and be done with it.
post #86 of 129
She should be punished for wasting the court's time and filing a spurious claim.

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post #87 of 129
Bill Maher said it best on Real Time:

Enough of the cry-babies whining about the iPhone price cut. Early Adopter? An early adopter is a F**KING retard that waited in line for 6 hours to spend $600 for a F**KING PHONE!

This lawsuit has no merit. Everything drops in price, doesn't matter if it is 2 months or 6 months. She is complaining about buying the 4 GB model? All the stupid b**** had to do was buy the 8 GB one ONLINE and wait a few days for shipment! No one dragged her sorry ass to stand in line to force her to waste her money on a phone. She did it herself.

Just like the fool that put a hot cup of coffee in her crotch and burned herself!
post #88 of 129
I just have one thing to say... OMFG!

Ok... two things (and the first thing was really just an acronym)... I love Bill Maher. Kind of a dick... but his commentary is always razor sharp and right on.
post #89 of 129
Usually, I am one to attack apple because i think their products are overpriced (they are) but this suit is kinda ridiculous. What is the bottom line, that apple cannot reduce their prices?. I think she would have had a better lawsuit if she had accused Apple of engaging in monopolistic practices (and yes, apple can be monopolistic even if there are alternatives, just like microsoft can be a monopoly even though alternatives such as Unix always existed). Just because apple dropped their price in a shorter timeframe than normal does not make that a crime. Everyone knows i had been preaching that the iphone is overpriced and overrated when it came out. She should have read my post, would have saved herself a lot of headaches.
post #90 of 129
What I think is really great, is the part where she says Apple did not need to lower the price on the iPhone because the share price of their stock was going up. It's beyond a joke, it's outright stupid.

I'm sure Apple sets the prices on all their products based on recent share price action.
Just like all the other companies out there making products.
I wonder how a company that is private and doesn't have a share price trading in the public.... I wonder how they know what prices to use for THEIR products?

post #91 of 129
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Originally Posted by DeaPeaJay View Post

Coffee is *supposed* to be too hot when you first get it. You shouldn't even be able to take a sip without burning your tongue for at least 3-5 minutes. It's part of the experience.

Good point. Come to think of it, the next time my coffee comes not hot enough, I'm suing the starbucks for the emotional damage of caused by not having a coffee experience drinking coffee. Also, false advertising for saying they served me a hot coffee, but it's not a hot coffee unless it's hot enough.
post #92 of 129
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Originally Posted by JakeTheRock View Post

Any 8 year old aspiring to be a lawyer would know that this simply will not work. But the lawyer is taking the case anyway!
Idiots, both of them

The lawyers get paid by the hour, not by the win.
post #93 of 129
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Originally Posted by DalÃ* Debaser View Post

We should sue her for wasting our time.

I WISH all those of us disgusted with the overburdening of the court system by frivolous lawsuits brought by people with an entitlement mentality could counter-sue. When these idiots have to start PAYING for being stupid, they might stop (I'd say think twice, but isn't the whole problem that they didn't think once?).

Lawyers will often take (or create) a case like this, promising as little as 30% of the award (laws have come about to impact this now too...*sigh* to try and make it "fair" to the idiots since previously it was as low as 5/95) to the plaintiff, with NO out of pocket from the plaintiff...and if the lawyer loses, it costs him/her a pittance since all s/he has to do is win one of these BS cases to support doing it again a thousand times.

PENALTIES for stupidity.....or at least, pay for wasting MY time (okay, it's not really wasted time as much as it is simply being irritated ;p), the court's time and directly impacting the cost of the goods and services I buy since companies have to pay $$ just to DEFEND themselves from this garbage...win or lose, it costs them, it then costs us....so we are being "burdened" by the frivolous lawsuits, entitlement mentality running rampant through our society and money grubbing lawyers who should find a CAUSE to fight for or get a real job, and we should have financial recourse to stop this.

Just my $0.02
post #94 of 129
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Originally Posted by Hauer View Post

To me over here it is really funny seeing (some? lots?) of Americans whine about the sides of a free market they do not like and (some? lots?) critizing European "socialism" (haha).

BTW I do think Apple handled this price cut clumsily. But in a fair way.
GH

I do neither of the above and agree whole heartedly with your comments. It seems like more and more each day I am reminded how fast America and it's increasingly pathetic population is degenerating into the fictional country on the movie 'Idiocracy'. Seen in a plethora of areas, from the lack of basic scientific and mathematical understanding to ignorance of current geopolitical issues and world geography to a shameless sense of global supremacy and the nationalism that goes with it. I mean can you really take a country seriously when more than one of the main candidates running for the presidency publicly acknowledges that they don't believe in evolution and think the earth was created 5,000 years ago in a divine act?!?

-- Concerned American
post #95 of 129
It was just a matter of "WHEN" the price cut was coming. What would this person tolerate? Price cut in november right before the holiday season? Just a couple of months more? No, then she wouldn't have filed this suit.. it would be in line with X-mas frenzy. Apple could do this earlier becaused the iPhone turned out to be that crazy hit that they were aiming for. If everyone was as honest and clear about what was going on as jamesfabin up there in post 4 everything would be so much easier.
post #96 of 129
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I mean can you really take a country seriously when more than one of the main candidates running for the presidency publicly acknowledges that they don't believe in evolution and think the earth was created 5,000 years ago in a divine act?!?

You honestly think America is coming to pieces (and it is, folks) simply because a candidate for public office believes in a literal interpretation of the Bible??? Since when did American candidates for President stop claiming Christian beliefs of some sort? What's new here? Even so, how does a politician's belief that the earth is 5k, 6k or 10k years old raise my taxes, increase defense spending or destroy foreign policy? Just because Bush claims to hold such religions beliefs and just because he hasn't been the best President in the world, doesn't in any way say that the source of such stupidity in leadership stems from one refusing to believe that the earth is billions of years old.

If there is any reason why Americans are becoming more selfish and more stupid, it's because they have tried so hard to prove the non-existence of a higher power while transforming themselves into the incompetent gods of their own lives. Indeed, America is little different than Israel during the time of the OT judges, where "ever man did that which was right in his own eyes." Americans cry "freedom" left and right while being in bondage to every unrighteous deed imaginable. And yes, I myself don't not subscribe to the notion that "suing" is in any way a "righteous deed." Clearly, this woman suing Apple surely thinks she is doing herself and others "right" by this lawsuit, even though her action is a fundamental part of the very cancer that currently eats away at our society.

The cancer in America is not God or the age of the Earth. The cancer is American depravity.
post #97 of 129
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Originally Posted by JakeTheRock View Post

People keep talking about how stupid the woman is, well how about the lawyer? Any 8 year old aspiring to be a lawyer would know that this simply will not work. But the lawyer is taking the case anyway!
Idiots, both of them

The lawyer is taking the case to court because of the money. And 'prestige'. My goodness this lady is stupid and self-centered, not realizing that it's really her fault. The conditions of purchase were laid out months before the phone was even released- to buy an iPhone and have it work you had to sign up for AT&T for 2 years. So she has no legal argument there.

And if they don't have the 8GB iPhone, than you wait. OK so she waited for hours- that doesnt mean she's entitled to a 8GB right away. I want a 3G iPhone. If she wins this, I could theoretically go out, buy a 8GB iPhone, and sue Apple 1 Million for not having 3G already incorporated into my iPhone.

And using the stock charts as a reason why the price drop shouldnt have happened? WHAT? That would work if Apple's core business was the iPhone, but stocks arent always directly tied to product sales anyway, and Apple's MAC business (iMac, MacBook, Mac Pro, MacBook Pro) is doing super well, hence the stronger share price.

I hope this lawsuit just dies. It makes my head hurt at how stupid this lady is. Heck, if she had at least a decent argument like the McD's coffee lady I'd be OK. I just thought her getting millions for hot coffee was idiotic.
post #98 of 129
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Originally Posted by JDW View Post

The cancer is American depravity.

The cancer is American stupidity.
post #99 of 129
I hope she needs to cover all legal fees herself. Some people are pathetic and will sue over anything. And she complains about a $175 termination fee? 99.9% of cell phone providers have that fee in place (Sprint, ATT, Verizon, T-Mobile). If they didn't, I could sign up for a cell plan, get the sweet phone they always offer for free to new customers, cancel, and move to the next phone company.

And about the hot coffee thing on page 1, even that was a pathetic suit. It is coffee, it comes hot. There needs to be a stupidity act in place that says if anyone tries to sue over something deemed pathetic in my eyes, they need to pay me the amount they were suing for. That would solve the problem with the sue happy citizens we have now.
post #100 of 129
There's a little more to that story than most people realize. That women ended up with second- and third-degree burns over her genitalia, perineum, and inner thighs. It required months of surgeries, rehabilitation, and other treatments. No coffee should be that hot. It's not consumable when it's that hot. There was evidence shown that McDonald's knew the coffee was a risk because of its temperature, yet it ignored it.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not a fan of lawsuits. I think we are a lawsuit crazed nation that seems to sue on a whim. However, this case actually had more merit than most people recognize.
post #101 of 129
When Apple first made the price cut, for about a week I had friends constantly question me how that made me feel. My reply: "This is not a toy for the poor. If you're that tight for cash, you shouldn't have bought one to begin with."

I've always been a gadget freak, and purchasing things on launch day almost always means you won't get a good deal. No rebates, higher prices, etc. It's a price I pay for wanting current technology, but it's a conscious decision I make.
post #102 of 129
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Originally Posted by jmarc21a View Post

Well not yet...

But I will be if they come out with an improved or cheaper iphone then I will be so pissed! That's why I'm filing a pre-emptive lawsuit against Apple saying that if they ever improve the iphone or reduce the price they have to give me the new model for free for the rest of my life.

I'm sure all of you can understand the anxiety of waking up each morning wondering if evil Apple has improved or lowered the price again on the iphone.

I can't help feeling so sorry for myself, afterall my mommy said that I'm entitled to anything I want and more!

Damned right! You know, the anxiety you must be feeling even now, at the very thought of Apple improving their product.... hell, even if they DON'T do it, I think the worry alone is enough to win you a couple of mil. Go for it.
post #103 of 129
I think this is an exciting development if for no reason other than to give us some insight into the quality of the legal analysis provided to us by melgross and Jeffdm - both of whom held themselves out to be legal eagles in another thread, and of course - assuming the case isn't dismissed, whether we'll finally get some clarity on the enforcability of merger clauses outside of Florida... I wonder if they settle if she'll get dough or $500k in store credits... heh heh
post #104 of 129
did she really expect the iphone not to drop in price? rediculous. if she can afford to file this law suit and fund it, then i think she could afford the $100 she lost. again, idiot! i mean, im 18, on about £1000 a month, (bugger all i know), but i think even i could afford a £50 loss!
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post #105 of 129
Your honor, the defense would like to enter evidence in favor of the defendant:

A total lack of the plaintiff contacting customer service to resolve the issue, we ask the court to remove this case from the courts.

We rest our case.
post #106 of 129
Effective immediately, I'm raising my prices so nobody complains about getting ripped off by my occasional discounts or eBay deals!
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post #107 of 129
to quote a saying from my friend..."can't teach stupid"
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Last week at Whole Foods, I paid $2.29/lb for apples. This week apples were only $1.69. I am suing Whole Food for $1 million dollars, which is a conservative estimate of my actual, emotional, and spiritual damage. As the eponym of the product in question, I may sue Apple as well.

Don't forget about the price of fuel for the past 5 years.
post #109 of 129
What a loser.
post #110 of 129
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Originally Posted by jamesfabin View Post

I was one of those who also bought my iPhone the first night it was available. I hired a person through craigslist to stand in line for me and when he got near the front (about 10pm), he called me. I arrived and didn't have a wait . . . . These people who are upset the iPhone is now more affordable need to get a life.

To me this is the same as a person standing in line 2 weeks to see Star Wars, then complaining that now you can walk down to Block Buster and rent it for half the price. We each make our own decisions - if you want something bad enough you'll do what you need to get it.

It may sound rude, but all I can think of is that this lady couldn't afford the phone and now wants to complain about it because if she bought it today that $200 savings would have changed her life. It wont - you spend that much on a good night out at dinner. If you can't afford to play, sit on the sidelines.

That's my opinion and I'm sure many will disagree. . .
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I'll have to say that I totally disagree with your comment about people disagreeing! How can anyone disagree with TOTAL pure logic? This woman is insane to sue Apple Inc. She should be put on the terrorist's "no fly" list to get even with her for making Apple waste the money we gave them buying their excellent products, to defend themselves against her and her dumb-a$$ lawyer's attempt to extort money from Apple when everything she did was, as you said, HER CHOICE! What arrogance to think she can blame them for what she did. This is even more ridiculous than the "twinkie defense" in court. Thanks for saying it so well!
post #111 of 129
Geez, this is a rough group of free marketeers. You sound just like the marketing consulting company Apple has been using lately: "Effem, Effem, & Effem". I hope she wins her lawsuit, if for no other reason than to give SJ a swift kick in his arrogant behind.
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The lawyer is taking the case to court because of the money. And 'prestige'. My goodness this lady is stupid and self-centered, not realizing that it's really her fault. The conditions of purchase were laid out months before the phone was even released. . .

I hope this lawsuit just dies. It makes my head hurt at how stupid this lady is. Heck, if she had at least a decent argument like the McD's coffee lady I'd be OK. I just thought her getting millions for hot coffee was idiotic.

I knew a lawyer who was familiar with the McD's coffee suit, and it wasn't nearly as unreasonable as the papers/media made it sound. First of all, the coffee was 180 to 190 degrees, which causes nearly instantaneous 3rd degree burns. Secondly, she had to undergo multiple surgeries, and may have lost her ability to urinate in the way she used to (may have had to have a new opening surgically placed). Thirdly, on appeal, her award was reduced from the millions the papers advertised to only a couple of hundred thousand dollars, which barely paid for her surgeries, and lawyers, and left almost nothing for her upkeep (loss of employment income during surgeries), and virtually nothing for her pain which was considerable. When I learned this, it really made me re-think what I'd thought from the media's version. They never put anything in the headlines about the huge drop in her award amount in the papers!
post #113 of 129
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Originally Posted by tdahlia View Post

Geez, this is a rough group of free marketeers. You sound just like the marketing consulting company Apple has been using lately: "Effem, Effem, & Effem". I hope she wins her lawsuit, if for no other reason than to give SJ a swift kick in his arrogant behind.

Under the bridge much?
post #114 of 129
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Originally Posted by tdahlia View Post

Geez, this is a rough group of free marketeers. You sound just like the marketing consulting company Apple has been using lately: "Effem, Effem, & Effem". I hope she wins her lawsuit, if for no other reason than to give SJ a swift kick in his arrogant behind.

Say What? Are you nuts? I'm not a "free marketer," as that means about what you said about the imaginary law group, but this woman is a whinning little girl! There's no way anyone should get a dime because they thought they should be able to illegally "unbound" their phone and break the AT&T contract. Neither Apple nor AT&T could earn any money by selling phones that would work on any network, rather than exclusively on only one. Every network does this. Every major network, and probably most small one's charge a huge fee to drop the service (that's part of the reason people stay with one). Dropping prices on electronics eqpt is standard operating procedure, however, I was pissed by the huge drop so soon after I bought my iPhone, but I'd never consider a law suit (partly because I realize most lawyers (although they may start out good) eventually turn into scum, just to survive in the crappy system we have).
BTW, do you know what they say about lawyers? That 98% of them give the other 2% a bad name!
post #115 of 129
I take the iPhone price-drop as a warning:
It's always hard to decide when to buy tech-products. Apparently Apple learned that they can benefit from their customers buying their products when they're new.
I'll be expecting Apple to try out similar tactics on other products, so I'll be buying my Apple hardware mid-cycle.

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post #116 of 129
Does this mean I can now sue if I paid $200 for a helicopter tour and then the company then offered me a DVD after the tour for $19? while I was in Hawaii??
post #117 of 129
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Originally Posted by JDW View Post

Americans have willingly allowed their legal system to become the ultimate cesspool of foolishness.

Love that.

But not willingly. It is simply the bad driving out the good. Can happen anywhere, eventually.
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Originally Posted by tarl_cabot View Post

PENALTIES for stupidity.....

Much as we all might wish for that, stupidity is not against the law.
post #119 of 129
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I knew a lawyer who was familiar with the McD's coffee suit, and it wasn't nearly as unreasonable as the papers/media made it sound. First of all, the coffee was 180 to 190 degrees, which causes nearly instantaneous 3rd degree burns. Secondly, she had to undergo multiple surgeries, and may have lost her ability to urinate in the way she used to (may have had to have a new opening surgically placed). Thirdly, on appeal, her award was reduced from the millions the papers advertised to only a couple of hundred thousand dollars, which barely paid for her surgeries, and lawyers, and left almost nothing for her upkeep (loss of employment income during surgeries), and virtually nothing for her pain which was considerable. When I learned this, it really made me re-think what I'd thought from the media's version. They never put anything in the headlines about the huge drop in her award amount in the papers!

Yikes. How about a cite/link/reference?
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Yikes. How about a cite/link/reference?

How about starting with Wikipedia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_coffee_case

"Other documents obtained from McDonald's showed that from 1982 to 1992 the company had received more than 700 reports of people burnt by McDonald's coffee to varying degrees of severity, and had settled claims arising from scalding injuries for more than $500,000. McDonald's quality control manager, Christopher Appleton, testified that this number of injuries was insufficient to cause the company to evaluate its practices. He argued that all foods hotter than 130 degrees constituted a burn hazard, and that restaurants had more pressing dangers to warn about. The plaintiffs argued that Appleton conceded that McDonald's coffee would burn the mouth and throat if consumed when served."

There are many other references around, but that's a start.
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