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Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post

That is what SONY said with the XBOX. Last time I check the XBOX 360 crushed the PS3.

Microsoft can compete with Apple still. If you don't believe that you are foolish.

Zune 2 is not going to crush iPods, but it may take a small dent out of the iPod eco-systems.

Dave

HAY do you people think when MS start thinking that Apple and the rest of the world stop thinking.

stupids
post #42 of 56
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Can you actually find a Xbox 360 core system? By the time you get done buying everything you need to actually use a core system its going to cost you 400.00 anyways.

Need... or want? \

Anyways, the Wii and the 360 are both next-gen consoles, and yep, they do indeed compete against one another.

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Easy of use? You know really I use both platforms and lets be honest there isn't any great easy of use with Os X compared to Windows. If you use the OS you get use to how it work its not rocket science.

Actually, I was talking more about iPod/iTunes, though you can lump Windows in there too.

Far as Windows goes, I think MS has done a halfway decent job of copying Apple, though I definitely prefer OS X.

The rest of your post seems to be some kind of chip-on-your-shoulder rant about how Apple isn't 'all that'. If you honestly believe that, why then do you hang out on an Apple forum so much? \

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post #43 of 56
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

It's an internet forum, get a grip. No one is disagree, fighting or anything. At best it's a debate. Do you feel some need to live in a world where everyone agrees all the time about everything?

Now that would be a mental illness.

It's hard to be sure because I'm really tired right now, but I'm pretty sure you missed addabox's point.

I suggest, extremeskater, you review a little friend called sarcasm.
post #44 of 56
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Originally Posted by thebeat View Post

wow, Zune to cannibalize everything but Ipods? Are you kidding me.. ZUNE can definitely eat iPod also. I don't see why you stick up for Apple so much. It will eat iPods, and you definitely have no proof that it can't. Learn to discriminate apple please

Cute troll. Do you want to moon us as well?

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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

People always claiming that MS copies Apple are the ones with the chips on their shoulders.

LOL. Extreme, even Microsoft employees are aware of the fact that they often copy Apple.

Their nickname for Apple? 'R&D South'.


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Simple fact is Apple isnt all that they claim to be, I also didn't realize to be a member of the forum you had to drink the kool aid.

There are some overzealous Apple folks here (and they annoy me), but what of it? There's still some Redmondade drinkers too, though maybe not quite as many as there used to be.

In any case, let's face it, it's not being overzealous to say that Apple has been on a huge roll the past few years, and it's not all smoke and mirrors. Expect more of the same going forward.

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post #46 of 56
My god
when i look at this ZUNE thingy it tell me that to be successful M$ will always have to copy
apple work

that makes me so sick of the MS team
post #47 of 56
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Originally Posted by Zandros View Post

Hardware specs makes me want one, but when we get to software design and specifications (no lossless) I realise that it isn't all that.

/Adrian

Apparently, native support for lossless audio (as opposed to transcoding on the fly to a high bit rate lossy format during synching, as the release 1 firmware did) is one of the features that has been added in the new Zune firmware release.

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/zune/more...own-306648.php

Not that it would have made any difference for me personally.

But all this is meaningless for those of us north of the 49th parallel because now it's one year in and there still isn't the option of even considering purchasing a Zune anywhere outside the USA.
post #48 of 56
The new zunes really do seem to be the most interesting of non apple players out there, except for the archos units, most of those I conder to be in a different space though. Zune isn't going anywhere as long as MS has money to toss around, and with each generation they'll get closer to being the same quailty as ipods. That's why apple has to get to consumers first, only extremely pissed off people switch to something else, most will just stick around and upgrade.
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post #49 of 56
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There should be a medical name for the mental state that drives people to spend all their time hanging out with people that they fundamentally disagree with, just so that they can chide them over and over and over again.

Funny, you just described every Apple user I know who hangs out in computer forums telling Windows users how stupid they are. So, you create your own forum where you all can agree with each other in a myopic little universe while MS users sharpen their fangs / jobs by justifying their position against Open Platform supporters.

Why can't I install OSX on my Dual Core Opteron at home? Microsoft doesn't care if I install Windows on it. Obviously I can install a thousand different Linux distros on it, but Apple forces me to buy a new computer just to run their OS.

I've been in over 50 enterprise server farms over the past ten years. Banks, ISPs, Chemical manufacturing, Health Care, etc., etc. You know, I don't recall ever seeing an Apple product inside the 'Halon perimeter' of those companies. There's Novell boxes, and Unix boxes, and IBM Mainframes, maybe a smidge of Sun, and usually towering aisles of Windows blades, but I don't see the Apple logo anywhere. Why is that? Are the Apple servers cloaked or something? I mean...OSX is WAY more stable and secure than stupid Windows, so why aren't engineers and CIOs trying to shave every dime from IT budgets running to install Apple servers??????

But, don't feel bad. Many of those companies have a handful of Macs in the graphics arts dept, and we all know that running a multi-media workflows and Illustrator is *WAY* more technically challenging than hosting Enterprise apps across 5 international borders.

I have two cousins that go to a large metro Highschool, and right now the Zune is the *big* thing on campus, and has been for a year or so. Maybe you should tell them how much it sucks because the design isn't as cool as Apple.

I bought my first MP3 player in 98'. Dap64 I believe it was called. Still works, but it's in a drawer somewhere. Didn't have the memory of an iPod obviously, but it was smaller, cheaper, more reliable, and certainly WAY ahead of Apple in the portable media player game. The iPod I bought a couple years ago died.
post #50 of 56
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Funny, you just described every Apple user I know who hangs out in computer forums telling Windows users how stupid they are. So, you create your own forum where you all can agree with each other in a myopic little universe while MS users sharpen their fangs / jobs by justifying their position against Open Platform supporters.

Why can't I install OSX on my Dual Core Opteron at home? Microsoft doesn't care if I install Windows on it. Obviously I can install a thousand different Linux distros on it, but Apple forces me to buy a new computer just to run their OS.

I've been in over 50 enterprise server farms over the past ten years. Banks, ISPs, Chemical manufacturing, Health Care, etc., etc. You know, I don't recall ever seeing an Apple product inside the 'Halon perimeter' of those companies. There's Novell boxes, and Unix boxes, and IBM Mainframes, maybe a smidge of Sun, and usually towering aisles of Windows blades, but I don't see the Apple logo anywhere. Why is that? Are the Apple servers cloaked or something? I mean...OSX is WAY more stable and secure than stupid Windows, so why aren't engineers and CIOs trying to shave every dime from IT budgets running to install Apple servers??????

But, don't feel bad. Many of those companies have a handful of Macs in the graphics arts dept, and we all know that running a multi-media workflows and Illustrator is *WAY* more technically challenging than hosting Enterprise apps across 5 international borders.

I have two cousins that go to a large metro Highschool, and right now the Zune is the *big* thing on campus, and has been for a year or so. Maybe you should tell them how much it sucks because the design isn't as cool as Apple.

I bought my first MP3 player in 98'. Dap64 I believe it was called. Still works, but it's in a drawer somewhere. Didn't have the memory of an iPod obviously, but it was smaller, cheaper, more reliable, and certainly WAY ahead of Apple in the portable media player game. The iPod I bought a couple years ago died.

Cool. Now I know that the Mac's market share is really heating up, when Important Windows Server Farm Jocks take time out their busy schedules to troll some benighted corner of the web where the Mac people have slunk off to "create their own forum" (really, where do they get off?) and kid each other about the utility of that platform. Troll like a twelve year old boy.

You go, girl.
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post #51 of 56
Is there something about the Zune that gets the PC boys all riled up? Seems like a lot of trolling, as of late.
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post #52 of 56
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Originally Posted by blasterman View Post

I have two cousins that go to a large metro Highschool, and right now the Zune is the *big* thing on campus, and has been for a year or so.





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post #53 of 56
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Is there something about the Zune that gets the PC boys all riled up? Seems like a lot of trolling, as of late.

Even odds someone at Redmond thought it was a swell idea to bankroll some internet posting campaign to 'show support' for the Zune. Kinda like how they bankrolled that 'grassroots campaign' to tell the feds to "Leave Microsoft alone!" during the DoJ trial.

Either that, or the Zune dev team has waaaay too much free time.

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post #54 of 56
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Let's see. Xbox gained Halo, a killer app that sold consoles, by buying bungie. Zune can't do the same by buying a record company.

Why do you think Microsoft wants to buy a stake in Facebook? So the Nudge generation can also squirt?
post #55 of 56
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Originally Posted by blasterman View Post

Why can't I install OSX on my Dual Core Opteron at home? Microsoft doesn't care if I install Windows on it. Obviously I can install a thousand different Linux distros on it, but Apple forces me to buy a new computer just to run their OS.

Because Windows is an independent product line, OSX is integral to help promote Mac hardware sales. They may both be OS's but they address their markets in different ways.

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Originally Posted by blasterman View Post

I've been in over 50 enterprise server farms over the past ten years. Banks, ISPs, Chemical manufacturing, Health Care, etc., etc. You know, I don't recall ever seeing an Apple product inside the 'Halon perimeter' of those companies. There's Novell boxes, and Unix boxes, and IBM Mainframes, maybe a smidge of Sun, and usually towering aisles of Windows blades, but I don't see the Apple logo anywhere. Why is that? Are the Apple servers cloaked or something? I mean...OSX is WAY more stable and secure than stupid Windows, so why aren't engineers and CIOs trying to shave every dime from IT budgets running to install Apple servers??????

Because the IT industry is primarily self-serving and it perpetuates itself by perceived complexity - remove that and it's dead. In fact move it's value proposition to 'enhance business productivity' rather than 'we need computers' and it's also dead which leads us to...

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But, don't feel bad. Many of those companies have a handful of Macs in the graphics arts dept, and we all know that running a multi-media workflows and Illustrator is *WAY* more technically challenging than hosting Enterprise apps across 5 international borders.

...because media departments are productivity based (from the days of the print industry) they have to do something useful and provide tangible output. Actually getting real people to produce something useful requires a unique combination of software design first and technology second - there's only one company which does this and it's Apple.

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I have two cousins that go to a large metro Highschool, and right now the Zune is the *big* thing on campus, and has been for a year or so. Maybe you should tell them how much it sucks because the design isn't as cool as Apple.

Because...nice try but you're lying! (or do your cousins really go to school where the students like to 'squirt' eachother?)

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Originally Posted by blasterman View Post

I bought my first MP3 player in 98'. Dap64 I believe it was called. Still works, but it's in a drawer somewhere. Didn't have the memory of an iPod obviously, but it was smaller, cheaper, more reliable, and certainly WAY ahead of Apple in the portable media player game. The iPod I bought a couple years ago died.

If you obsessed a little less with specs and more about usability when you bought it - it might not be in the drawer.

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post #56 of 56
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Just once I would love for someone to comment on the specs of a new apple product before they comment on how imporant the color is on it.

Why? Specs alone don't dictate how good a product is that's down to design and 'prettiness' is also a symptom maybe even an indicator. We saw through buying stuff on spec when we opted for Macs.

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