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post #121 of 171
Well do you got good drivers for win2k? /me not!
I saw XP at a local computer store and you know what? There was no wanna-have-feeling like it was on Mac OS X!
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post #122 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by iChmul:
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Guess what I use...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, considering you killed your OS X recently ('sudo rm -r' is tricky), I'd guess you don't use Mac OS X atm.

And btw: Welcome Mr. Thomas "Fotzibär" Chmul
post #123 of 171
yeah jimmac, it was. . . a joke.
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[quote]Originally posted by iChmul:
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I saw XP at a local computer store and you know what? There was no wanna-have-feeling like it was on Mac OS X!
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I got to check it out at a store as well ... I haven't been able to spend to much time with it, so I'm just going to fire off some questions ... why is there so much lag for the volume control to pop up? And what's with the kindergarden safety icons? Is M$ still working on the graphic system, or is it that X is just far superior ... I can't tell ... is it crapy icons ... or the OS? Do you still have to go to "my computer" to access your drives? Whats the largest file that you can copy between applications? Have they addressed that ucked up alias system yet?

Any other relevant info will be much appreciated ... as exciting as M$'s legal tactics, business strategies and technical airy hopes may be, (isn't it true that they don't even own the patent for their .NET strategy?) I am keenly interested in learning a little 'bit about their actual CURRENT os.
post #125 of 171
The GUI "engine" in WindowsX isn't even to the primative stage, compared to what's in OS X.

It's a complete joke, if you ask me.
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post #126 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>Force Quit sucks in OS X. Takes forever to come up.... when it does come up that is. Windows is near instant.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Force Quit works perfectly fine in OS X. What are all these problems people are having with Force Quit?
post #127 of 171
At least in X, you can use the terminal to make sure the process was really killed. XP is based on a kernal thats what? 3 years old? It's about ****in' time they got it right.
post #128 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by the cool gut:
<strong>At least in X, you can use the terminal to make sure the process was really killed. XP is based on a kernal thats what? 3 years old? It's about ****in' time they got it right.</strong><hr></blockquote>

OS X is based on a kernal even older.
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post #129 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by Nonsuch:
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Force Quit works perfectly fine in OS X. What are all these problems people are having with Force Quit?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I don't understand what people complain about either. I've never had a problem with Force Quit.
post #130 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by Sinewave:
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Yes and Apple took it back. See you must not remember the big deal ol Mike made it out to be. He was rubbing it in Apple's face. Next time around Apple took it back in a big way.

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[ 11-14-2001: Message edited by: Sinewave ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Are you kidding or what? Dell has about 5x the market share of Apple!
post #131 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by iChmul:
<strong>Well do you got good drivers for win2k? /me not!
I saw XP at a local computer store and you know what? There was no wanna-have-feeling like it was on Mac OS X!
Guess what I use...</strong><hr></blockquote>

You mac people are a riot! If the mac OS is sooo good how come Apple has 3% market share and Microsoft has 95% market share and is the world standard OS!
post #132 of 171
*bullshit*

OSX is superior in EVERY SINGLE WAY. I have had the "pleasure" of using both and OSX is a much nicer design.

However I REALLY miss OS9, I still say that interface wize its the best OS ever.
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post #133 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
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Are you kidding or what? Dell has about 5x the market share of Apple!
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Not in education...

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post #134 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
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You mac people are a riot! If the mac OS is sooo good how come Apple has 3% market share and Microsoft has 95% market share and is the world standard OS! </strong><hr></blockquote>

In the US.. Macs have 4-5% mkt share. MS has 90% approx. Again mkt share doesn't = good.

As we all know there are more Honda Civic drivers out there than there is Porsche.

You know Porsche has less than 1% of the car market share? Porsche's must suck!

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post #135 of 171
Maclots and their car analogies.

Sheesh.
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post #136 of 171
But they're true... I hear the same drivel from PC fags at Ars so calm down.
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post #137 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Maclots and their car analogies.

Sheesh. </strong><hr></blockquote>

PC Lots and their denial are you saying that greater mkt % = better grover?
I surely hope not. I wasn't comparing Apple's to Porsches. I was showing the tard that just because the mkt share isn't great.. that doesn't mean something sucks. Esp when that something has been around since the dawn of Personal Computers. Rolleyes indeed.
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post #138 of 171
TheRoadWarrior wrote:
[quote]That's fine. I only wanted to point out to everyone here that there is ALOT more to WPA than what Microsoft is saying publicly. Trust me, it has the potential to get very ugly, and, sadly, before many people realize what's going on, it will be too late.

Ever wonder why the DOJ suddenly decided to settle the anti-trust case?<hr></blockquote>
funny you should mention this--usually not one for big consipiracy theories, but Howard Schmidt, Microsoft's chief security officer, is expected to leave within the next month to join the Bush administration.
<a href="http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200112/msg00003.html" target="_blank">http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesti ng-people/200112/msg00003.html</a>.
Things could get ugly faster than you think.

[ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: cowerd ]</p>
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post #139 of 171
The Porsche analogy doesn't work because Porsche's methods prohibit their good cars from being produces in the quantity that Apple can comparatively produce their products.

Car analogies are weak, I don't care what the fags at Ars do.
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post #140 of 171
grover it wasn't a car analogy. It was showing market share does NOT = Quality.
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post #141 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>The Porsche analogy doesn't work because Porsche's methods prohibit their good cars from being produces in the quantity that Apple can comparatively produce their products.

Car analogies are weak, I don't care what the fags at Ars do. </strong><hr></blockquote>

How about VHS vs. BETA (don't even tell me VHS is better), or Zip Drive versus practically anything else that was competing with it at the time (click of death anyone), or how about the Amiga versus anything (where is that system now if it was so good?). The best does not mean the most market share or success. This issue has been beat into the ground, I am suprised some feel the need to argue it over and over that windows is better because everyone uses it. Sheep.
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post #142 of 171
[quote]I am suprised some feel the need to argue it over and over that windows is better because everyone uses it.<hr></blockquote>

Windows isn't better than the MacOS because of market share, I never said that.
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post #143 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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Windows isn't better than the MacOS because of market share, I never said that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was speaking to those in this and every thread who feel that it is because of that. They know who they are.
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post #144 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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Windows isn't better than the MacOS because of market share, I never said that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And my original post wasn't a response to you was it?
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post #145 of 171
I was talking to the person that quoted me, I even quoted them.

Take smart pills.
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post #146 of 171
Well excuse me then I apologize.

But it brings up a point as to WHY you complained about such a analogy in the first place?

If you don't think mkt share = quality then what are you complaining about?
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post #147 of 171
I complained about car analogies because they are stupid.

This whole market share thing is a different thing from what I was talking about.

Even so, market share has no correlation with quality. I never claimed anything else or even care.
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post #148 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I complained about car analogies because they are stupid<hr></blockquote></strong>
Sometimes one has to use analogies to explain to someone else how things work. Obviously this guy thinks mkt share = better. I was showing him how that isn't true. So the car analogy worked.
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This whole market share thing is a different thing from what I was talking about.
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You replied right after me with
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Maclots and their car analogies.

Sheesh. </strong><hr></blockquote>

What am I supposed to think what you meant by that?
<strong> [quote]
Even so, market share has no correlation with quality.</strong><hr></blockquote>
And that's what my car analogy showed.
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post #149 of 171
[quote]What am I supposed to think what you meant by that?<hr></blockquote>

That car analogies are stupid and that Maclots love car analogies.

I can understand that you would think that I was arguing against your market share point, but that understanding comes from me knowing that you aren't very sharp.

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WindowsXP is better than MacOSX for a whole host of reasons, market share isn't one of them.
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post #150 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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That car analogies are stupid and that Maclots love car analogies.

I can understand that you would think that I was arguing against your market share point, but that understanding comes from me knowing that you aren't very sharp.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ah.. maybe if you was a tad more clear on your posts we'd not have to guess as to your meaning. Or was you being intentionally vague to appear deep?
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post #151 of 171
How the hell was that intentionally vague?

"2+2=4"
"Are you trying to say that it's better to add 2 and 2 than it is to multiply 2 and 2!?!"

And how in God's name does that statement contain any kind of depth? Maybe it's deep to you, but not to the majority of people.
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post #152 of 171
groverat and sinewave need to be in a death match. Do you two seek one another's posts out? I'm taking bets: 2:1 odds on sinewave (based on shear posting power). Any takers?
post #153 of 171
grover let me explain it to you slowly. I made a comment about mkt share. It had to do with cars. No one else made any car analogies. Right after I posted mine you posted this.

[quote]Maclots and their car analogies.

Sheesh.
<hr></blockquote>

Now that either means.

1. You either thought that it was a bad example.
2. You where just being a ass.

Now I asked you why you posted that.. and you try to weasel your way out of it.

Now please lets have a straight answer as to why you rolled and sheeshed my comparison.

But I am sure we will see you post some sort of twist to turn it back on me. .and totally not answer my question. I hope I am wrong.. but I am betting..
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post #154 of 171
I have already explained why that particular car analogy doesn't work.

If you want to read into what I said, then fine. If you want to put words in my mouth, then fine. I would love to know what I'm supposed to be weaseling my way out of.

It's quite simple, a ****ing child could understand this.

Maclots love to use car analogies like "Mac == Rolls Royce, MS == Ford" you see that all the time. You did it and I expressed disgust at the practice. Jesus ****ING Christ you are dense.

[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: groverat ]</p>
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post #155 of 171
The nice thing about exclusivley using a PC (I almost never use a mac now) is that you cant be called a macalot

in my small experiences with OSX Ive never had ANY force quit problems.

I dont know about XP, but I find that quite a lot of the time it takes AGES to bring up the win2k task manager. Also MacOS rarely freezes, though its apps do.
I almost NEVER have an app freeze in win2k, but the system its self seems to halt half the time its running.
Mind you I think I have some strage conflicts right now, but even with a fresh install...

Oh, and Ill never forget when I installed that crap called WinME. Wit ha completley fresh install it crashed when I was going to properties to set up my display.
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post #156 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I have already explained why that particular car analogy doesn't work.

If you want to read into what I said, then fine. If you want to put words in my mouth, then fine. I would love to know what I'm supposed to be weaseling my way out of.

It's quite simple, a ****ing child could understand this.

Maclots love to use car analogies like "Mac == Rolls Royce, MS == Ford" you see that all the time. You did it and I expressed disgust at the practice. Jesus ****ING Christ you are dense.

[ 12-06-2001: Message edited by: groverat ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ah I am the one who is dense? I wasn't comparing Mac = Rolls Royce, MS = Ford. AS I stated before. (and again I am the one being dense ) I said I was showing how large mkt share doesn't = quality. Nowhere did I say "Macs are cool and fast as Porsches and Windows are Like Hondas" I was merely stating that mkt share doesn't = quality in a way that the person I was replying to could understand. That car analogy does INDEED work. It proves that mkt share doesn't = quality. Which is what I was out to prove. AS I stated before... 2 or 3 times.

BTW get your panties out of the perpetual knot they are in. You sound like a little kid throwing a tantrum.
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post #157 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by Sinewave:
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OS X is based on a kernal even older.</strong><hr></blockquote>


As far as I know, force quitting from the terminal in OSX works just fine ... getting it to work with the aqua gui would most likely take some finessing.
post #158 of 171
[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
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You mac people are a riot! If the mac OS is sooo good how come Apple has 3% market share and Microsoft has 95% market share and is the world standard OS! </strong><hr></blockquote>

The "World Standard" in what?

Servers? no
Desktop Publishing? no
Video Editing? no
Audio ? no
Education ? no

Word Processing? THERE YA GO!!!!

Microsoft dominates the industry, because 90% of the market doesn't use the computer for anything else besides office applications, internet, and gaming ... things that P.C.s do just fine at. Despite office for the mac being the superior version, as well as file management on the Mac being head and shoulders over everything else, if you are a corporation filling office buildings with computers, you are going to go with P.C.s
post #159 of 171
I think this thread was doomed from the beginning, but I have friends who think XP is so fast and wonderful. Mostly I think some of the filing procedures are more Mac like and they are noticing that they work faster, rather than that the speed of the software is faster.

And THAT was the point of the Mac operating system, to make the user more efficient and enjoying the process of being on a computer.

I haven't used XP so I can't compare myself, but I can see from the Teletubbie colorization, that I would get very annoyed using it.

And Groverat, I respect your opinions and thoughtful comments, but I have a hard time understanding how people feel genuine joy using software promulgated by a company that has been convicted of abusing monopolistic powers. The punishment is still being debated, but Microsoft still LOST! Why doesn't anyone running Windows talk about that? How can you admire that? It is like admiring a Nazi V2 rocker, except it isn't even that revolutionary?

If anyone can watch Balmer or Gates for more than 45 seconds and not feel disturbed, then I suggest reading Muir or Tolstoy.
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post #160 of 171
1) Invoking Nazi imagery exposes your limited thinking.
2) Steve Jobs disturbs me as well. He is just as bad (if not worse) than Gates or Ballmer.

I don't talk about it with my friends because my friends don't care and neither do I. Apple single-handedly put clone-makers out of business, I don't care about that either.

I think your own eyes are a little blind to your chosen object of fascination.
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