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post #81 of 111
Networking!!

1) SMB login should look like it is on an Apple computer not a Unix computer

2) Allow classic apps to see an SMB login

or
- allow an AFP login to NOT crash the App when trying to do anything through the classic ap's dialog boxes that connect to the server (ie open, save, link) (NT4 sp6)

3) Improve the AFP login so that it does not crash the finder even if the NT network is not fully set up for OSX. OS9 has no problem with this, why not OSX the supposed better OS.

4) automatically move the "utilities toolkit" out of reach of a non admin User. The toolkit has too manythings in it for a non admin to be playing with. ie the "terminal".

Because of issue #2 OSX is useless to me.

post #82 of 111
[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>You can set the application menu to only display the icon, which of course has a fixed size.</strong><hr></blockquote>You can?? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Last I knew, that feature was killed after the Public Beta because they didn't want another icon next to the Apple menu. Seriously, did I just miss this somewhere?
post #83 of 111
Also, something like what I'd like to see in 10.2.

<a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9811/images/x-app-colors.gif" target="_blank">http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/9811/images/x-app-colors.gif</a>

NO, I don't want platinum (YUCK! ) but I would like some more basic variations for Aqua like a built-in ability to change the hue and/or brightness and/or saturation of the "Blue" or "Graphite" themes to something like Ruby or Emerald or Gold or Obsidian. I know, I know, that's just wishful thinking... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

Also, I'd like to reinforce my stance on not enabling the root user by default. Yes, some people have made arguments for having and using root, but that's not my point. Normal users should never have to use root. No one should use root unless they know what they are doing and what the risks are. If you are an administrator and are knowledgeable enough to play safely with root, that's fine. I think it is a Good Thing that Apple has root hidden away so the average Joe won't accidentally enable it and fuck up his system.
post #84 of 111
I found this picture on ThinkSecret. It was part of an article on 10.1.2 but notice the dock. It has what look like tabs, perhaps pop up folders. It's a photoshop job but I thought the concept was interesting. Dock tabs might be a useful thing to have in 10.2

[ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: imacSE ]</p>
post #85 of 111
Not a photoshop job. <a href="http://www.dragthing.com" target="_blank">DragThing</a>.
post #86 of 111
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
<strong>Not a photoshop job. <a href="http://www.dragthing.com" target="_blank">DragThing</a>.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Really? I didn't know that. It's a shame Apple didn't come up with it.
post #87 of 111
Why waste time with tabs? Just make it so that any folders in the dock pop up when something is dragged over them. It does the same things without adding tabs to the top of the dock. At the same time it allows you to right click on them to pull up a menu of what's in the folder click on it to actually open the folder.
post #88 of 111
[quote]You can set the application menu to only display the icon, which of course has a fixed size.<hr></blockquote>

How exactly is this done? I know you can do that in os9 but I haven't seen the option in osX.

[quote]Yeah, but you'll grow out of that. There's an important difference between interface flaws and interface features that you aren't accustomed to. Should OS X have the close box on the other side to accomodate new Windows users?<hr></blockquote>

True but when the interface features of the past were better than the new implementation of the same features then why settle for it? I liked the application menu in os9 and its still there in osX so why not leave it where it was? OsX just has a more stripped down version the application menu. If they're going to use upthe screen realestate for it then why not make it as usable as what it was.

[quote]It's more easily solved by putting the Utilities folder (and/or the Applications folder) in the Dock.<hr></blockquote>

My mom isn't going to know how to do that. Neither will a lot of mac users. That's what I meant by more accesible. You should at least be able to add them in the applemenu and they should be there by default.


As for the open windows in the dock I see your point. Still, I'd like the option. I don' think it'd be that hard for Apple to implement a preference in the dock options that said "Show all windows in the dock". That way both camps could have it the way they liked.
post #89 of 111
some repeats just incase apple-folks are peeking in...


1). Background color option in Column view and in List view....

1.a) in list view have underlines an option for the eyes

2). Windowshade (if by that is meant that double clicking on the top opens down the window)

3). Fix the cursor bar in the set up windows such as the TCP_IP.... couldn't find it!!

4). I loved the LAUNCHER : make the dock more like it or bring it back

5). Labels (if by that is meant folder label colors)

6). Trash on desktop with information in the dialogue box

7). More optional Icons. The application, favorites and other default icons are ugly.

8). In views, global should mean system wide unless respecified after the global is set or regional-global is set.

9). Dock should open faster than I can blink


more later... I'm only now starting to use it.

get rid of this "remain connected?" window . . . or can you do that and am I missing out on how.

[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: pfflam ]</p>
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post #90 of 111
some repeats just incase apple-folks are peeking in...


1). Background color option in Column view and in List view....

1.a) in list view have underlines and option for the eyes

2). Windowshade (if by that is meant that double clicking on the top opens down the window)

3). Fix the cursor bar in the set up windows such as the TCP_IP.... couldn't find it!!

4). I loved the LAUNCHER : make the dock more like it or bring it back

5). Labels (if by that is meant folder label colors)

6). Trash on desktop with information in the dialogue box

7). More optional Icons. The application, favorites and other default icons are ugly.

8). In views, global should mean system wide unless respecified after the global is set or regional-global is set.

9). Dock should open faster than I can blink


more later... I'm only now starting to use it.

get rid of this "remain connected?" window . . . or can you do that and am I missing out on how.
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post #91 of 111
[quote]Originally posted by pioneer:
<strong>My mom isn't going to know how to do that. Neither will a lot of mac users. That's what I meant by more accesible. You should at least be able to add them in the applemenu and they should be there by default.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Frankly, I find adding shortcuts, nee, anything to the Dock to be easier to explain, understand and perform than the old Apple menu system.

To me, aside from the logic of the new menubar hierarchy (System&gt;Application&gt;File), it also sets up a certain logic to the malleability of the UI; that is, some things are constant, others change depending on context (I would like to see more of this particular approach, like how iTunes does this), and others are entirely flexible to your whim. The menubar is fixed. It contains all necessary tools and they do not move out of place, they are always available. Whereas toolbars are somewhat constant (you don't rearrange them too often, mainly just find what you like and stick with it) and follow the specific app and location of windows. Still, I'd like the toolbars to be more contextual in this idea, possibly having a few arrangements depending on the action, selection, etc (though this may be too confusing in practice). Finally, the Dock is absolutely in flux, malleable at any time, changed in any way. I think these three modes of the UI are best kept distinct from one another, but could be more aggressively pursued by the company.

To me, the most important consideration for Apple and what has to mainly be addressed at this point (aside from the occasional aesthetic snafu) is the consistency of its UI, not its heritage or familiarity. The more consistent and logical, the easier it is to adapt to if necessary.
post #92 of 111
hope we don't wait until 10.2, and maybe i don't get the picture, but a thing i don't think is needed in the dock is, if you have a document in the doc/file side of the dock, when you open it, the app icon if not already in the dock on purpose, arises in the app side of the dock.
post #93 of 111
Fix the god damn problem in list view with B&W's! No...fix all the god damn problems with B&W's and OSX..geeze.

I am sick of clicking on a column, and then having the whole thing resizes itself!

APPLE! ARE YOU LISTENING?

"Automatic desktop refreshing. I dont know if they have that in 10.1, but it wouldbe realllllly nice if you could put something on the desktop and not have to click back to the desktop to see it."

OMG SO WOULD I.. ))

Guess what? 10.1.2 does it!!!! YAY!

OMFG!

They finally fixed the right clicking in list view!!!
I fin love it..

5 huge stars

[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Poochie ]

[ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Poochie ]</p>
post #94 of 111
[quote]Originally posted by yablaka:
<strong>hope we don't wait until 10.2, and maybe i don't get the picture, but a thing i don't think is needed in the dock is, if you have a document in the doc/file side of the dock, when you open it, the app icon if not already in the dock on purpose, arises in the app side of the dock.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You don't get it.

There are many reasons it should be this way. One reason is that documents are not application specific. Let's say you have a jpeg document. Sometimes you open it in Photoshop (to edit it) and sometimes you open it in Preview (to look at it). Maybe you want to open it in both at the same time! If the application icon doesn't show up in the dock, how can you distinguish between two applications with the same open document?
post #95 of 111
My biggest request is spring loaded folders, and it looks like they've got that covered (yay!)

Other than that, a sound set would be nice. It makes the system feel more responsive.
post #96 of 111
I'd still prefer a drawer in the Finder to SLF (which I realize is a pipe dream considering that they can't get sheets in there -- which are supported in carbon).

To repeat: drawers are non-modal, multiple drops possible, easier to change your mind/direction. SLF is modal, hard to move anywhere but IN, and you have to drop everything in one place.

Sorry for pontificating a bit.

PS: I hope the Disk Image thing in the context menu is to move everyone towards them, including for attachments, burning, etc. They can be quite handy IMO.
post #97 of 111
[quote]Originally posted by tonton:
<strong>My biggest request is spring loaded folders, and it looks like they've got that covered (yay!)</strong><hr></blockquote>

tonton,
wherabouts? i don't see it in 10.1.2 Finder Prefs, nor General...
post #98 of 111
[quote]Originally posted by yablaka:
<strong>

tonton,
wherabouts? i don't see it in 10.1.2 Finder Prefs, nor General...</strong><hr></blockquote>

He means in 10.2. The reports on it say that it has them.
post #99 of 111
Something I find myself wishing for almost everyday is Mutliple Desktops. I really wish Apple implements authentically new features in the major updates to OSX, and doesn't just keep adding OS9 features back...
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post #100 of 111
I think if Apple goes for multiple desktops, they would hopefully improve on it too. I think there are better ways of accessing them, moving through them. But that's what I was hoping for regarding spring-loaded folders and it looks like they didn't change anything there.
post #101 of 111
[quote]Originally posted by pfflam:
<strong>6). Trash on desktop with information in the dialogue box
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I will never understand why people want to have the trash on the desktop where it can be covered with windows. Is there a logical explanation why it is an advantage to have the trash sitting on the desktop or is it just because people are used to it? Well, as long as it is just an option, that's ok with me.

What I would want for 10.2 would be a shelf. This would be a slight modification of the toolbar, so that you can drag files and folders down, not only up. It should handle multiple selections as well. With a shelf you will never need a second Finder window in order to copy or move stuff.
post #102 of 111
I'd also like Mail.app to offer the option of stripping files of their resource forks... My friends have had it with receiving 200k files that they can't use just because I sent them a 20k .jpg, from the world's most advanced OS....
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post #103 of 111
An SQL-based file system that can handle metadata as well (or even better) than BeOS. See Scott Hacker's comparison of BeOS to OS X to see what I mean.
post #104 of 111
What advantage does SQL have over the Be system of MIME data, or Apple's HFS+?
post #105 of 111
so much for flood control. oops.

[ 12-26-2001: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</p>
post #106 of 111
[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>What advantage does SQL have over the Be system of MIME data, or Apple's HFS+?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Read this story comparing BeOS and Mac OS X for what I mean:

<a href="http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=421" target="_blank">http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=421</a>

- Imagine email stored in a universal metadata format that can be read by ANY and ALL email readers without having to translate back and forth. In fact, imagine if you could sort your emails right on the Finder by author, name, time, etc. (you can even make up your own categories in BeOS' filesystem)
- Imagine when you open your mp3 drive/folder, you see not just the filename - in fact, you don't even have to see the filname - you see the song name (in FULL), artist, time, bit rate, etc. and sort among those categories.
- Imagine being able to do find within finds, advanced finding techniques that are as powerful as SQL queries (because they ARE in fact SQL queries)

I think that Scott McNealy got it wrong when it said that the network is the computer. IMO, the DATABASE is the computer. We as users use applications but it is time for the application based model to be replaced by a database driven model imo.
post #107 of 111
[quote]Originally posted by SYN:
<strong>I'd also like Mail.app to offer the option of stripping files of their resource forks... My friends have had it with receiving 200k files that they can't use just because I sent them a 20k .jpg, from the world's most advanced OS....</strong><hr></blockquote>
Some Mail preferences could be more logical (e.g. I don't think Saving Sent & Unsent Mail options belong in Composing). Rules could use more conditions (and be more Eudora like); and the current ones don't always work, (for me anyway, any one else experience that)?
post #108 of 111
[quote]Originally posted by Ender:
<strong>...I feel most strongly about the windowshade...double click on the title bar should windowshade.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I see some sentiment for it and I liked it at first myself. Maybe i just never learned to manage them. But even as i shrunk and minimized them, they just seemed to litter and crowd the screen for me.
post #109 of 111
[quote]Originally posted by yablaka:
<strong>
Some Mail preferences could be more logical (e.g. I don't think Saving Sent & Unsent Mail options belong in Composing). Rules could use more conditions (and be more Eudora like); and the current ones don't always work, (for me anyway, any one else experience that)?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i' d add to that ease of finding sent messages. just sent 3 to the same address and can't find any of them. it's not me, well, that's a remote possibility , but not likely

[ 12-27-2001: Message edited by: yablaka ]</p>
post #110 of 111
This might be a little thing but I'd like to see Sherlock added to the Apple menu. Finding files is a universal thing and it's cumbersome to click on the Finder in the dock which may show Finder windows I don't want to see. I could keep Sherlock in the Dock but it's an extra icon and Sherlock seems more like a utility or system function than a program. Put Find in the Apple Menu and have it be in memory all the time. I never understood why it's a separate program rather than part of the OS. It's used constantly.
post #111 of 111
Hey, people -- <a href="http://www.unsanity.com" target="_blank">Windowshade X</a> works great. Pay your $7 shareware fee, even though they don't seem to notify registered users of updates . I've been using version 1.0 and 1.5 is out.

Yeah, I know, it's third party and Apple should include this functionality built-in, but at least it works for the time being.

Wonder why it can't be found on version tracker?
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