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post #41 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:04am
Does anyone know if Safari 3 will be out of Beta in Leopard? I haven't read anything Safari.
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10/16/07 at 8:05am
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Yeah, I have a 1GHz PB with maxed ram. Anybody beta Leopard with something like this? I know it won't do the cool little things, but I want to know if it is "snappy."

I ran the beta on a 1.5Ghz PowerBook G4 with 1GB of RAM. In my experience it ran faster than Tiger. Certainly, the Finder was a lot more responsive.
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post #43 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:08am
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Me too. I bought iLife '08 like a good Apple Fan Boy only to wait a while until the iWeb problems got settled...I downloaded the "Firmware" upgrade for my first generation Macbook's Superdrive which bricked the DVD player.

I feel they set a deadline and rushed Leopard only because of such. I am not going to be Apple Guinea Pig.


Exactly. iWeb erased my sites on upload and caused huge problems. I think the customers now know more than the employees in the stores too. Scary.
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post #44 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I don't think so. People have been asking what the secret features were for some time and no one has specifically stated anything that wasn't shown in the original Leopard presentation.

Look at the 300 features list.

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hi i want to buy macbook pro but its still selling with tiger. any idea when leopard will start coming preinstalled?

That same Friday. If you order it now, it might be delivered with Leopard.
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post #45 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:14am
Duplicate post...

But, Does anyone know how the beta runs on a 1.66 CD Mini w/ 512 ram?
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post #46 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:23am
hi
will leopard include ilife 08 or i have to get it seperately
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post #47 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by JakeTheRock View Post

Look at the 300 features list.

What specific special features in that list merit this "Oh, it's so secret and so valuable, we're not going to tell you yet" hype? I'm not talking about the tiny bullet points, but stuff that was "supposed" to be presented along side Time Machine.
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post #48 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:30am
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will leopard include ilife 08 or i have to get it seperately

Only if you buy a new computer.
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post #49 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:30am
I love tiger.. However, I'm gonna test drive leopard first before changing my main system.. So far besides the features, the other good thing I heard is leopard is faster than tiger.

But I'm still excited!!!
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post #50 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:31am
welcome to appleinsider sarib !

read the: leopard up-to-date link here: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...ly/macbook_pro



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hi i want to buy macbook pro but its still selling with tiger. any idea when leopard will start coming preinstalled?
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post #51 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:34am
welcome to appleinsider!

yes and also includes a copy of windows vista



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will leopard include ilife 08 or i have to get it seperately
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post #52 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:34am
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Duplicate post...

But, Does anyone know how the beta runs on a 1.66 CD Mini w/ 512 ram?

i dont know about the processor, but minimum ram usually cause trouble in games

Thats y i never buy anything in a minimum spec unless i have to.
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post #53 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by JakeTheRock View Post

Look at the 300 features list.



That same Friday. If you order it now, it might be delivered with Leopard.

i really hope u r right Jack but apple website mentions if anyone bought a mac between oct 1 and dec 29 that dsnt hav leopard can get an update for 9.99, so im thinking why would there be a computer after oct 26 without leopard?
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post #54 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by ros3ntan View Post

i dont know about the processor, but minimum ram usually cause trouble in games

Thats y i never buy anything in a minimum spec unless i have to.

Usually buying minimum RAM is a good thing, to use other memory because Apple often charges 2x more for the exact same stick of brand name memory. The mini might be an exception though, it's not that easy to get into.
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post #55 of 115
10/16/07 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by sarib View Post

i really hope u r right Jack but apple website mentions if anyone bought a mac between oct 1 and dec 29 that dsnt hav leopard can get an update for 9.99, so im thinking why would there be a computer after oct 26 without leopard?

It depends on when the computer ships: If you order it now from Apple, but it ships after Oct. 26, then it will come with leopard installed. Ordering it new from a reseller like CDW might get you tiger, depending on when they bought it.

By the way, welcome to the forums!
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post #56 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:00am
Sarib! you're not thinking before posting this replies right?

Here is the explanation for you:

Apple sells millions of computers, thousands have been already sold since october 1st. every mac that comes out of Apple after october 26 will most likely have leopard installed, but all the others that have been sold from any reseller after oct 1st. will be eligible for the $9.99 upgrade. imagine having bought your new mac yesterday and today you get the news that leopard is out by the end of the month and you have to pay $129 more to get you new os..

i hope you get this because appleinsider doesn't have a black board for me to draw it for you...

btw. are you new to mac, if you are welcome to the macaddiction



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i really hope u r right Jack but apple website mentions if anyone bought a mac between oct 1 and dec 29 that dsnt hav leopard can get an update for 9.99, so im thinking why would there be a computer after oct 26 without leopard?
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post #57 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by southerndoc View Post

Leopard isn't shipping on 26 Oct. It's shipping sooner. I was told by the Apple rep that I would RECEIVE it on 26 Oct and that it would ship sooner.

Does that mean if I order an iMac from the Apple online store now, I will receive the iMac with Leopard on 26 Oct?
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post #58 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by Eduardo View Post

Umm, so what was the "secret" that Jobs spoke of when making the initial OS 10.5 announcement. All, but dropped?

What are you talking about? There was no one secret!

Again, all that Steve originally said was, “There’s some top features to Leopard that we are going to keep close to the vest and not going to show you today. I just want you to know that they are there. We don’t want our friends to start their photocopiers any sooner than they have to, and so we are going to keep a few things secret…” Nothing else.

Notice that he didn't say that they were keeping any secret until the launch! However, since then a number of new features have been disclosed, officially by Apple and other unofficially.

Whether or not any are "top features" is relative. To me, many are…particularly if you take time and seriously look at each of the 300 new features individually (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html). I haven't looked at all of them yet. But from those that I have gotten to, it suggests that many of the questions and concerns raised here have been addressed there.
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post #59 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by Rokken View Post

Does that mean if I order an iMac from the Apple online store now, I will receive the iMac with Leopard on 26 Oct?

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post #60 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:19am
amazon will deliver on 26th?

what is the fastest way to get leopard? going to apple store on 6pm?

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post #61 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:20am
I know it's dumb to ask such a question coz I am new to Mac :s Plus there is no such 'Leopard Up-To-Date' outside US and Canada, so I just wanna be more sure about it
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post #62 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by Zenga View Post

Sarib! you're not thinking before posting this replies right?

Here is the explanation for you:

Apple sells millions of computers, thousands have been already sold since october 1st. every mac that comes out of Apple after october 26 will most likely have leopard installed, but all the others that have been sold from any reseller after oct 1st. will be eligible for the $9.99 upgrade. imagine having bought your new mac yesterday and today you get the news that leopard is out by the end of the month and you have to pay $129 more to get you new os..

i hope you get this because appleinsider doesn't have a black board for me to draw it for you...

btw. are you new to mac, if you are welcome to the macaddiction

indeed i am sir. thank you for the warm welcome. i prefer Jack's though. n as a newbie excuse my question. im a lil paranoid right now coz i've waited a loooong time for buying a mac just coz of leopard so every minute thing seems huge. in any case uve been the biggest help. ill order one MBP 15" 2.4 on oct 26...n if it comes with tiger i know who to talk to .
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post #63 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:25am
It will probably come with Tiger installed (which for me is a good thing...I want Leopard but am going to wait for christmas when I have some time to install it and the bugs have been ironed out) but it will probably include a set of discs for Leopard. I bought a Mac Mini last year and it came with 10.3 installed on it and I had to upgrade to Tiger with the discs which came with it.
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post #64 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:27am
Pre-ordered mine. Can't wait till it it arrives.
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post #65 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:29am
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hi i want to buy macbook pro but its still selling with tiger. any idea when leopard will start coming preinstalled?

All macs sold on or after Oct. 1 can get 10.5 for 9.95 or something ( shipping and handling costs ). If you want pre-installed - after a month at least.
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post #66 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:32am
well I read the 300 new features list and was nonplussed. I'm confused by Apple's desire to interface with the site-o-the-day. I never understood why AppleTV had anything to do with youtube, which is a pretty bad site for videos not good enough for America's Home Videos and now they're integrating with Yahoo!. Sorry but when did an operating system have anything to do with random here-today-perhaps-gone-tomorrow websites?

There's great stuff in there, Unix certification, threaded mounts, better RAW camera support, all good stuff, but it's packed up with some real rubbish worth of M$.

I really want an operating system which works. Add features to the standard apps like safari and mail (as apple has), get the basics right, enhance file sharing and network compatibility and all that good stuff. Get it to 64bit, speed it up. But really, Yahoo! integration (and possibly find your photo on google maps) aren't OS features, they're gimmicks.

Leopard will come on my next macbook, scheduled soon as poor G4 is getting pretty old now and I'll be happy to have it, but I do think Apple can do better with this stuff and not go down the M$ bells and whistles road.
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10/16/07 at 9:44am
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indeed i am sir. thank you for the warm welcome. i prefer Jack's though. n as a newbie excuse my question. im a lil paranoid right now coz i've waited a loooong time for buying a mac just coz of leopard so every minute thing seems huge. in any case uve been the biggest help. ill order one MBP 15" 2.4 on oct 26...n if it comes with tiger i know who to talk to .

Ooops! Regarding my post above - did not notice there is a page 2 on this forum

If you are buying from Apple Store you may get Leopard pre-installed pretty soon I guess, may be even if you order now, but it will be shipped with some delay in this case (current shipment estimates make me thing not yet, however). Buying from a dealer especially outside US will take longer than 1 month. But if you buy after Oct. 1 the dealer may install it for you I think (if not pre-installed of course).
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post #68 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:45am
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edit: pre-emptive message to UK folks... before some brit says that Apple is charging 20% in the UK...it's the VAT. VAT!!!! Stoooopid! You ah so stoooopid!

Gosh you are a witty bugger aren't you! Yes it's just a 14.4% Apple UK supplement this time round, but please, stop, you're cracking me up. Really.
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post #69 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:54am
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I know it's dumb to ask such a question coz I am new to Mac :s Plus there is no such 'Leopard Up-To-Date' outside US and Canada, so I just wanna be more sure about it

I'm fairly certain that I've read that such a program will be available in other jurisdictions too. Specifically, I read about it in Australia. Maybe you should check the Apple Store website for your area to confirm the specifics in your locale.
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post #70 of 115
10/16/07 at 9:59am
I'm new to apple, well not quite yet, been waiting for leopard to come out to buy a macbook pro for the last 6 months.

Not being familiar with the base of Apple OS's and only used to windows... I am wondering what the effects of getting the laptop now and then upgrading to leopard when I can get my $10 copy in 10 days. That is to say will there be remnants of the old OS leftover after the upgrade wasting hard drive space and using resources. In your past experience what kind of problems does this cause and should I just wait 10 days and get leopard installed cleanly is my question?


thanks, I'm really excited about my switch just getting really tired of waiting
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post #71 of 115
10/16/07 at 10:00am
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I'll be happy to have it, but I do think Apple can do better with this stuff and not go down the M$ bells and whistles road.

Hey, but M$ road worked well for them, right?

The marketing people are trying to pull off the top of their heads some consumer oriented stuff. I don't really care what features are listed there. There was enough info on the web about Leopard, both from Apple and from hands on reports. It is worth upgrading IMO. 10.5.0 or 10.5.1/2 is up to one's temperament. There are tons of under-the-hood features which will need time to be fully utilized by the mainstream applications.
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post #72 of 115
10/16/07 at 10:04am
You may still be able to get the old $69 educational discount price for Leopard, but you *need* to call your local Apple educational sales representative. I just did, and got it pre-ordered for $69. The woman I spoke with didn't even know about the $116 pricing for individual students and educators.

In speaking with my Apple rep, I told her I wouldn't mind the price increase so much...if the *retail* price had also jumped up $47. Then I would understand. This is just a $13 savings over retail...big deal. You can get a better price break buying it retail from MacMall.com for $109 and free shipping right now.

From my perspective, it just sounded like students and educators were taking somewhat of a hit, regardless of how "great" 10.5 is supposed to be. Let's face it: every OS upgrade has had a lot of time and expense put into it. Again, I wouldn't mind the $116 price tag, if the regular retail price had increased by the same rate proportionally. But it didn't, and that's what didn't sit right with me. Or, just come out and say "no more educator discounts" and be honest about it from the get go.

Anyway, if you're an educator or a student, call your Apple Education rep directly and express your feelings about this. You may just get Leopard for $69 after all. Or just go to MacMall and save yourself some bucks there!
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10/16/07 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by rols View Post

they're gimmicks.

Unfortunately, it's the gimmicks that make the sale. And let's not forget, what's important to you, may not be important to someone else. Besides, what's the big deal if some fluff is thrown in to win over the simple minded? Just avoid those features.
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post #74 of 115
10/16/07 at 10:08am
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I'm fairly certain that I've read that such a program will be available in other jurisdictions too. Specifically, I read about it in Australia. Maybe you should check the Apple Store website for your area to confirm the specifics in your locale.

Did you read it in the Apple Australian Store? I haven't found any related news on either Australian Store or Norwegian Store or any European Store :S
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post #75 of 115
10/16/07 at 10:16am
Nice, but I'm withholding judgment until I see reviews of how it purrs on a 1Ghz G4 system. Awful close to min specs. I don't know about OSX, but I've tried to run XP on low spec systems, and it was not pleasant.

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post #76 of 115
10/16/07 at 10:46am
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Unfortunately, it's the gimmicks that make the sale. And let's not forget, what's important to you, may not be important to someone else. Besides, what's the big deal if some fluff is thrown in to win over the simple minded? Just avoid those features.

The problem is the time wasted adding useless fluff that could've been spent actually making sure the OS is as bug and crash free as possible. We're already been told to wait for the 6th version of OS X in hopes of getting a decently performing finder. But thank god we've got youtube!
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10/16/07 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by Boss Angeles View Post

For the first time I'm NOT falling for the 1984 hype. After getting hozed by all the malware in iLife 08, and getting high-fived opening night for paying 200 bucks too much for my iPhone, I'll leave the lines and 1.0 kernel panics for others to enjoy. I'm wary of Leopard not changing it's "rush anything to market" spots. The new "quarter to quarter" Wall Street Apple.

Well, you don't have to be iTard to use Apple products ... I am also looking forward to Leopard (mostly because of speed enhancement), but I will wait a few weeks - version 1 is never the best one in iWorld.

BTW, about what malware are you talking about? iPhoto, iMovie, everything.... is better than previous version. If you don't count iWeb, because it is and it was not even the worst application from Apple, but maybe the worst application in mankind (was it even created by human being?) from the iLife 06.

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9GB is not that bad when you realize it is including everything. I bet if you got rid of the development environment, all the drivers you do not need, and the localizations you could free 3-4GB of space easy.

Noda, the deveoper tools are 2GB more (and 1GB of memory btw, which is little absurd)

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What's all this Aqua that's still present. I'm disappointed in you Apple.

exactly, now I will have other scrollbars in iPhoto/iTunes and others in Finder/rest. Booo!

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Originally Posted by Eduardo View Post

Umm, so what was the "secret" that Jobs spoke of when making the initial OS 10.5 announcement. All, but dropped?

eeee..... COVERFLOW!!

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Anyone else notice that they wiped the OS X Tiger page off of the Apple website? Kinda sad haha.

Yes, but you can sometimes find some older stuff on "local" sites - for example, sherlock 3.0 page here (btw, sherlock or automator are great examples of "looking-great-but-practically-useless-stuff") ... the same with Time Machine - yes, it will save all your data, but only on an external drive...

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hi i want to buy macbook pro but its still selling with tiger. any idea when leopard will start coming preinstalled?

I think almost immediately after Leopard release - it was the same with iLife08.
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post #78 of 115
10/16/07 at 11:02am
I will be at the store at 6pm 10/26th.
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10/16/07 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Boss Angeles View Post

Exactly. iWeb erased my sites on upload and caused huge problems. I think the customers now know more than the employees in the stores too. Scary.

Amen!

I was able to prevent iWeb from completely ruining my website-thankfully I was able to save a copy of the file that iWeb '08 destroyed. If it wasn't for sites like this or the Apple forums I would have been in your predicament. Not everyone can do this---Apple should ship out software WHEN IT IS READY---they've released some buggy software ala Microsoft. We Apple users hold Apple Inc. to higher standards.
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10/16/07 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Again, all that Steve originally said was, Theres some top features to Leopard that we are going to keep close to the vest and not going to show you today. I just want you to know that they are there. We dont want our friends to start their photocopiers any sooner than they have to, and so we are going to keep a few things secret Nothing else.

Actually, there was this TOP SECRET sign over the picture and everything.... and when ArsTechnica wrote there are NONE Top secret features (and I dont count QuickLook or Coverflow as something important).

Don't get me wrong - I am looking forward to Leopard (it IS faster, TM is a good thing, ability to chose which folders could I share is must-have) and I will buy it after few weeks, after everything "settle down".

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Originally Posted by rols View Post

well I read the 300 new features list and was nonplussed. I'm confused by Apple's desire to interface with the site-o-the-day. I never understood why AppleTV had anything to do with youtube, which is a pretty bad site for videos not good enough for America's Home Videos and now they're integrating with Yahoo!. Sorry but when did an operating system have anything to do with random here-today-perhaps-gone-tomorrow websites?

There's great stuff in there, Unix certification, threaded mounts, better RAW camera support, all good stuff, but it's packed up with some real rubbish worth of M$.

Well, it has always been in Mac OS. Remember Sherlock and it's eBay searching? And I don't care, because integration of these stuff cannot harm me - and seriously, it doesn't take much time from developers of Leopard, because it can be done on a few lines of code.

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Originally Posted by Louzer View Post

The problem is the time wasted adding useless fluff that could've been spent actually making sure the OS is as bug and crash free as possible. We're already been told to wait for the 6th version of OS X in hopes of getting a decently performing finder. But thank god we've got youtube!

I'm not really sure Finder in Leopard is so much better than in Tiger - it is still in Carbon I guess and it will have the same flaws .... if you want something more TotalCommander-like, I would reccomend you muCommander.

It looks that I am skeptical, but well, there are more positive things in Leopard than negatives one (friend of friend of friend of mine has some IsoHunt beta version and it works great ).
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