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As part of its announcements on Tuesday, Apple released its official system requirements for Mac OS X Leopard and the software's associated applications. Meanwhile, upgrade options for recent Mac buyers and other discount details have been published.

Apple has confirmed Leopard's revised system requirements -- which exclude 800MHz G4 Macs -- and were detailed earlier by AppleInsider. They are:

General requirements
A Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor512MB of memoryDVD drive for installation9GB of available disk spaceSome features require a compatible Internet service provider; fees may apply.Some features require Apple's .Mac service; fees apply.
iChat 4.0 requirements
Audio chats require a microphone and a 56-Kbps Internet connection.Video chats require an iSight camera (built-in or external), USB video class (UVC) camera, or FireWire DV camcorder; and 128-Kbps upstream and downstream Internet connection.Photo Booth and backdrop effects require an Intel Core Duo or faster processor.Backdrop effects when using a DV camcorder require fixed focus, exposure, and white balance.Some iChat features offer better performance and quality with higher system capabilities.
Individual Leopard apps
Time Machine requires an additional hard drive (sold separately).Photo Booth requires an iSight camera (built-in or external), USB video class (UVC) camera, or FireWire DV camcorder; and an Intel or PowerPC G5 processor. Backdrop effects require an Intel Core Duo or faster processor. Backdrop effects when using a DV camcorder require fixed focus, exposure, and white balance.Boot Camp requires a Mac with an Intel processor and Windows XP Service Pack 2 or Windows Vista (sold separately).Screen sharing in iChat and in the Finder requires a 128-Kbps Internet connection (300-Kbps recommended).Front Row requires a Mac with built-in IR and an Apple Remote.DVD Player requires a 1.6GHz processor or faster for improved de-interlacing.Developer tools require 1GB of memory and an additional 3GB of available disk space.
Leopard upgrade options

Customers who purchase a qualifying new Macintosh computer on or after October 1, 2007 that does have not Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard included can upgrade to Leopard for $9.95 through Apple's Mac OS X Leopard Up-to-Date Program.

If you purchased multiple qualifying systems on a single invoice, you can either (1) purchase a Single-User Upgrade Kit for each qualifying product, at a cost of US$9.95*; or (2) purchase fewer Single-User Upgrade Kits and request the Right to Copy for the remaining qualifying products.

The maximum number of Up-To-Date packages that can be qualified from one individual appears to be 20.

Discounts on Leopard

Apple is offering Mac OS X Leopard for $129 with free delivery on October 26. However, there are several other online retailers who likely will not charge you sales tax and are also advertising hefty discounts.

For instance, Amazon.com is offering an instant $20 off Leopard, bringing the price down to $109.

MacMall is also offering $20 off the single license ($109) and $10 off the 5-seat family pack ($189). However, presently MacMall's website has the wrong pricing for Leopard and is offering the single license version for $20 off an incorrect retail price of $109, bringing the total down to $89. It's possible that MacMall may honor that price for readers who act quickly but it is not a certainty.

(Update: MacMall has corrected its error, the discounted price is back to $109).
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By law, I believe Macmall would be viewed as offering an 'invitation to treat', therefore, they do not have to honour the price.


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(AI's link wasn't direct)

Incidentally, earlier on it was already discounted from 129 > 109. Perhaps it wasn't an oversight?

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The Apple Store for Education online is quoting me $116 for a single user and $199 for a family pack. I should call MacMall...
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Wow. Those are some hefty system requirements. Talk about bloat-ware!
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Wow. Those are some hefty system requirements. Talk about bloat-ware!

Really? I think compared to the competition, it requires less and costs less as well.
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Well I guess after 5 great years my 800MHz G4 Mac may finally have to be replaced. Too bad I don't have that extra 67MHz lol.
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Wow. Those are some hefty system requirements. Talk about bloat-ware!

How ancient a machine should new OS versions be expected to support?
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I was thinking about getting a refurbed MBP the new 2.2 models, does anyone know if the $10 upgrade applies to it? If not, I'll probably just wait a few weeks.
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The upgrade option doesn't seem to apply outside the US and Canada.

For now ??
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Originally Posted by FlyinRyan View Post

The Apple Store for Education online is quoting me $116 for a single user and $199 for a family pack. I should call MacMall...

Yeah, I saw that too. A whopping $13 educational discount. OS X Tiger was something like $69 after the educational discount. Hopefully this is an error on Apple's part.
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Well some phone wrangling with the customer support people, and I was able to get one to send me a rebate form. On it, it just says that the item must be purchased by today, and doesn't mention price. MacMall has updated their price, but the rebate should still work, getting you the $89 price.

Here is the link to the form:
http://www.macmall.com/macmall/Rebat...260MacMall.asp
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How ancient a machine should new OS versions be expected to support?

Up to five years old is fair, IMO.

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[QUOTE]Originally Posted by FlyinRyan View Post
The Apple Store for Education online is quoting me $116 for a single user and $199 for a family pack. I should call MacMall...
Yeah, I saw that too. A whopping $13 educational discount. OS X Tiger was something like $69 after the educational discount. Hopefully this is an error on Apple's part.
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Yeah, I saw that too. A whopping $13 educational discount. OS X Tiger was something like $69 after the educational discount. Hopefully this is an error on Apple's part.

This may help (posted from the earlier Leopard thread):

RE: Education Discount Pricing Change
You may still be able to get the old $69 educational discount price for Leopard, but you *need* to call your local Apple educational sales representative. I just did, and got it pre-ordered for $69. The woman I spoke with didn't even know about the $116 pricing for individual students and educators.

In speaking with my Apple rep, I told her I wouldn't mind the price increase so much...if the *retail* price had also jumped up $47. Then I would understand. This is just a $13 savings over retail...big deal. You can get a better price break buying it retail from MacMall.com for $109 and free shipping right now {EDIT TO ADD: Now Amazon.com, too}

From my perspective, it just sounded like students and educators were taking somewhat of a hit, regardless of how "great" 10.5 is supposed to be. Let's face it: every OS upgrade has had a lot of time and expense put into it. Again, I wouldn't mind the $116 price tag, if the regular retail price had increased by the same rate proportionally. But it didn't, and that's what didn't sit right with me. Or, just come out and say "no more educator discounts" and be honest about it from the get go. If educators have to pony up more because of the over 300 new great features...why not spread the pain to retail customers too?

Anyway, if you're an educator or a student, call your Apple Education rep directly and express your feelings about this. You may just get Leopard for $69 after all. Or just go to MacMall (or now Amazon) and save yourself some bucks there!
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Originally Posted by duzledwarf View Post

Well I guess after 5 great years my 800MHz G4 Mac may finally have to be replaced. Too bad I don't have that extra 67MHz lol.

The G4 800 has no L3 the 867 and dual 800 does.

The lack of L3 slows the g4 800 down. Look on ebay for a g4 QS CPU. I got A 867 about a year ago for about $50
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Originally Posted by FlyinRyan View Post
The Apple Store for Education online is quoting me $116 for a single user and $199 for a family pack. I should call MacMall...
Yeah, I saw that too. A whopping $13 educational discount. OS X Tiger was something like $69 after the educational discount. Hopefully this is an error on Apple's part.

This may help (posted from the earlier Leopard thread):

RE: Education Discount Pricing Change
You may still be able to get the old $69 educational discount price for Leopard, but you *need* to call your local Apple educational sales representative. I just did, and got it pre-ordered for $69. The woman I spoke with didn't even know about the $116 pricing for individual students and educators.

In speaking with my Apple rep, I told her I wouldn't mind the price increase so much...if the *retail* price had also jumped up $47. Then I would understand. This is just a $13 savings over retail...big deal. You can get a better price break buying it retail from MacMall.com for $109 and free shipping right now {EDIT TO ADD: Now Amazon.com, too}

From my perspective, it just sounded like students and educators were taking somewhat of a hit, regardless of how "great" 10.5 is supposed to be. Let's face it: every OS upgrade has had a lot of time and expense put into it. Again, I wouldn't mind the $116 price tag, if the regular retail price had increased by the same rate proportionally. But it didn't, and that's what didn't sit right with me. Or, just come out and say "no more educator discounts" and be honest about it from the get go. If educators have to pony up more because of the over 300 new great features...why not spread the pain to retail customers too?

Anyway, if you're an educator or a student, call your Apple Education rep directly and express your feelings about this. You may just get Leopard for $69 after all. Or just go to MacMall (or now Amazon) and save yourself some bucks there!


Agreed. It is a tad silly when the educational price discount is so weak it can't even match the Amazon price. \

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My first generation Macbook Pro, that I bought less than 1 and a half year ago, is not even listed on the up-to-date qualifying computers page. Does it mean I can't install leopard, altough I have an Intel processor and 1,5 GB RAM? Can anyone shine a light on this?
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My first generation Macbook Pro, that I bought less than 1 and a half year ago, is not even listed on the up-to-date qualifying computers page. Does it mean I can't install leopard, altough I have an Intel processor and 1,5 GB RAM? Can anyone shine a light on this?

You're fine. Any Intel Mac will run Leopard.
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Wow. Those are some hefty system requirements. Talk about bloat-ware!

Nice troll.
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Originally Posted by spellboundxxi View Post

My first generation Macbook Pro, that I bought less than 1 and a half year ago, is not even listed on the up-to-date qualifying computers page. Does it mean I can't install leopard, altough I have an Intel processor and 1,5 GB RAM? Can anyone shine a light on this?



You have to have been a Windows user at one time... They specs aren't on the Up-To-Date page, thats to see if you get the $9.99 upgrade...



I have the a 1.2 GHz iBook with 1.25 GB RAM its showing its age, I think I'm upgrading within the next 6 months.
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post #22 of 92
i think my octo-core mac pro should be able to handle this.
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Which do you think would ship faster, Amazon or MacMall?
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I'm going to guess the answer is "no", but for those of you familiar with Boot Camp's XP SP2 requirement...does it have to be an SP2 install disc? Or can I install the earlier version XP from the disc I have and then install the SP2 update?
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I'd love to know how many people (who got the $100 credit) are using their iPhone early-adopter credit toward the purchase of Leopard.

(I am)
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Originally Posted by pmjoe View Post

Yeah, I saw that too. A whopping $13 educational discount. OS X Tiger was something like $69 after the educational discount. Hopefully this is an error on Apple's part.

Yes, it's extremely disappointing. They seemed to have moved the roughly 10% education discount for hardware over to software as well.

Educational institutions can apparently still buy it for $69, so you may be able to get it through them.

Apple doesn't really check educational status. Maybe too many people were taking advantage of that? The counter then would be well why wouldn't apple just put in some safeguards, rather than just taking the good discount away.
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Which do you think would ship faster, Amazon or MacMall?

I'd say Amazon. Often the ship early so the item can be delivered the release date.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

How ancient a machine should new OS versions be expected to support?

1.6 GHz for the DVD player???? Come on, that is pretty weak of Apple. That knocks out many G4 iBooks, if not all?
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1.6 GHz for the DVD player???? Come on, that is pretty weak of Apple. That knocks out many G4 iBooks, if not all?

That appears to be the requirement for the new andimproved software deinterlacing (which was certainly in dire need of improvement, let's hope it's quite a bit better).

I would guess that those G4 iBooks will run the DVD player just fine, except without the new deinterlacing goodness.
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post #30 of 92
There are a number of features there that even knock my G5 out of the running (other than Boot Camp):

Photo Booth and backdrop effects - Core Duo or faster? Why?
Front Row - requires built-in IR? None of the Pro towers have IR. I have a USB IR receiver, will that work? Probably not.

Seriously, for a 1.8GHz computer that's still under AppleCare and much higher than the 867Mhz minimum, this is depressing. Guess I'm looking at a Mac Pro sooner than expected.
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Checking Leopard's iSync page, it doesn't look like Apple add very many (if any at all) new phones to the list of supported devices. Makes me wonder if iSync (the application, not the Sync Services framework) is going to be just another in the long line of cool technologies that Apple has abandoned. Ever since contact/calendar-to-iPod syncing was taken over by iTunes, it seems that iSync has been stagnant.
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Front Row requires a Mac with built-in IR and an Apple Remote.

UGH. Are you kidding me? This has been touted as a built-in feature since day one, and now it's no different from Tiger's Front Row in being limited solely to those machines that shipped with it? So after all this time and paying $130, we'll STILL have to use hacks just to run it on a pre-Oct 2005 machine, despite the fact that it works fine from the keyboard or with an alternate remote? What a load of...
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I just placed an order with Amazon even though after placing the order it says it will ship around Nov 12th. I hope it ships earlier than that though.
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I recently became an ADC Select member. Does anyone know when members receive the shipping version of Leopard? Is it included with the normal monthly mailings?
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Does anyone know if you purchase Leopard through Apple and choose the standard free shipping, will you still receive Leopard by Oct 26th or do you have to choose overnight shipping?
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Originally Posted by spellboundxxi View Post

My first generation Macbook Pro, that I bought less than 1 and a half year ago, is not even listed on the up-to-date qualifying computers page. Does it mean I can't install leopard, altough I have an Intel processor and 1,5 GB RAM? Can anyone shine a light on this?

That means you don't qualify for a discount on the new release.
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Which do you think would ship faster, Amazon or MacMall?

They both say "Order today for delivery on Oct. 26."
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What I don't get with Apple and MacMall is both say order for delivery on Oct 26th but do you have to choose the most expensive overnight shipping to actually receive it on Oct 26th? Amazon says this product ships on Oct. 26th.
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I'm going to guess the answer is "no", but for those of you familiar with Boot Camp's XP SP2 requirement...does it have to be an SP2 install disc? Or can I install the earlier version XP from the disc I have and then install the SP2 update?

The answer to your question is YES. It MUST be an XP SP2 installation CD. An XP or XP SP1 CD will not understand the Boot Camp partition scheme correctly, and you might lose data.
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The answer to your question is YES. It MUST be an XP SP2 installation CD. An XP or XP SP1 CD will not understand the Boot Camp partition scheme correctly, and you might lose data.

Drat! (And actually, that's what I figured...my "no" was in reference to my 2nd question.) Thanks for the info.
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