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Apple has made significant changes to Safari in Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, introducing integration with Dashboard, smart drag and drop of tabbed windows, full text searching of your web history, and more. Here's a look at the birth and maturity of the online web browser, as well as a look at what's new in Safari 3.0.

This report goes to great lengths to explore the origins, history, and maturity of the web browser. For those readers with limited time or who are only interested in what's due in Leopard, you can skip to page 3 of this report.

Safari's Origins

The World Wide Web itself got started on NeXTSTEP, but the ideas behind delivering hyperlinked documents with scripted behavior went mainstream several years before the development of the web as an Internet service in 1990.



The first mainstream application for developing and using hyperlinked text and media was Apple's 1987 HyperCard for the Macintosh (above). The system worked like the forms designer of a graphical database or a rapid application development system. Standalone collections of hyperlinked cards called Stacks were powered by HyperTalk, a scripting language designed to be approachable by non-technical users.

Bill Atkinson, who had worked on HyperCard at Apple since 1985, assigned the rights to the application to Apple under the condition that the company would bundle it for free on all new Macs. That ended up making HyperCard popular with Mac users but didn't do anything to impress Apple executives, who ended up marginalizing its continued development until it eventually fell into obsolescence.

HyperCard was spun off into the Claris software subsidiary. Plans to merge HyperCard into QuickTime as a scripted interactivity layer called QuickTime Interactive began in the mid 90s, but it was never completed. The remains of HyperCard as a product were eventually abandoned, along with QTi, during Steve Jobs' housecleaning purge that followed Apple's acquisition of NeXT in 1996.

Inspired by HyperCard

The legacy of HyperCard lived on, however. Apple turned its HyperTalk scripting language into the Mac's system wide AppleScript architecture for building scriptable actions within applications, workflows in Automator, or even full blown programs using AppleScript Studio -- now a part of Xcode. HyperCard also helped inspire a series of projects to deliver visual application development, hyperlinked media, and scripted presentation environments, including:
NeXT's 1988 Interface Builder for graphical, rapid application development.Microsoft's 1991 Visual Basic development environment.Netscape's 1995 JavaScript for the web.
HyperCard also helped to ignite the development of the web itself, both directly and indirectly.



Weaving the Web

The world's first web browser, called WorldWideWeb, appeared in 1990. Developed by Tim Berners-Lee at CERN using NeXTSTEP (above), it served as the client software for a new www Internet service, which defined HTTP, the HyperText Transmission Protocol, as a way to deliver linked hypertext documents from www servers hosting pages to the www browsers requesting them by URL address.
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Steve Jobs' NeXT computer was central to the development of the the web largely because it offered uniquely advanced rapid development tools, but also because NeXT occupied a niche in higher education and advanced computing, and provided full support for the open Internet at a time when PCs were just beginning to use local area networks.

Viola: HyperCard for X Window

At the same time, Pei-Yuan Wei at UC Berkeley began work on Viola, a project to bring the features of HyperCard to Unix terminals running X Window. "I got a HyperCard manual and looked at it and just basically took the concepts and implemented them in [X Window for Unix]," Wei later explained.
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Wei intended to adapt Viola to use the Internet to distribute its hypermedia documents, but then happened upon the work already done by Berners-Lee on NeXT. Adopting the HTTP architecture of Berners-Lee's www service resulted in the creation of the ViolaWWW web browser for X Window systems in 1992 (below).



NCSA Mosaic

Authored and advocated by US Senator Al Gore, the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 funded the development of the National Center for Supercomputing Applications' High-Performance Computing and Communications Initiative, which included development of the Mosaic web browser (below).

NCSA's Mosaic browser could be freely downloaded for non-commercial use and was rapidly made available to consumer operating systems, including the Amiga, the Mac, and Windows. While modeled after earlier browsers, including ViolaWWW, Mosaic's support for popular computing platforms, its ability to view graphics inline within web pages, and its focus on being easy to use for non-technical users all worked to rapidly make it the most popular web browser in the early 90s among the small population actually using the web.


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Netscape Navigator

Marc Andreessen, who led the NCSA's Mosaic browser development as a student at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, graduated in 1993 and went on to found Mosaic Communications, later renamed Netscape, with the goal of delivering the commercial Netscape Navigator web browser. Andreessen partnered with Jim Clark, who a decade earlier had graduated from Stanford University in California to start up Silicon Graphics. Armed with his experience at SGI, Clark helped Andreessen develop a business plan for continuing the development of the Navigator browser.
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Since there were already other free browsers available, including Mosaic, Netscape decided to give away its web browser client and planned to make money selling web server software. Netscape's initial rapid innovation and its adoption of Mosaic's policy of being free for non-commercial use quickly made its browser the new standard for web users.









On page 2 of 3: Microsoft Discovers the Internet; Netscape Crashes; Apple's CyberDog; Netscape's Mozilla Burns to the Ground; Firefox Rises from the Ashes of Netscape; and Mozilla Pattered After Apache.
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Microsoft Discovers the Internet

Leading up to the delayed release of Windows 1995, Microsoft was pushing hard to roll out its new MSN online service as an AOL killer. While some within the company--particularly J. Allard--urged the adoption of the web and Internet standards, MSN manager Russell Siegelman decided to instead to focus on MSN as a proprietary alternative to AOL that did one thing AOL didn't: ship bundled with Windows.

AOL had to cover the planet with free diskettes with its online software; Microsoft planned to simply dump its own online software on the Windows 95 desktop and grab the entire online services market for itself. It was too late to shake down AOL however. The real movement online was in the open web. As Microsoft discovered this in mid 1995, it rapidly turned its online strategy around.

Microsoft licensed web browser technology from Spyglass--a parallel commercial spinoff of the NCSA Mosaic project--to develop Internet Explorer as its own browser in order to destroy Netscape as a threat. Microsoft invested significant resources into IE, outpacing Netscape both in development and marketing. It not only bundled IE with Windows--in violation of its earlier consent decree--but also used its marketing clout to push dialup ISPs to distribute IE instead of Netscape.







Netscape Crashes

Just like Microsoft, Netscape's strategy was to lock up the browser market and tie web development to its own non-standard extensions to HTML, in order to push the adoption of its own web server software. That resulted in a product that was really no better for consumers and businesses than Microsoft's IE.

Starting in 1997, Netscape's ongoing development plans began falling apart. Its engineers were conflicted about whether to continue development of the top-heavy and increasingly problematic Mariner code-base used through Navigator 4, or to start over with an entirely re-architected new web rendering engine named Gecko.

Netscape ended up doing both. First, Navigator 4 was replaced with a suite of products called Communicator 4, which tacked on an email client, a newsgroup reader, an address book, calendar, collaboration tools, a push client, and an HTML editor. Netscape's aging, bloated browser was now plagued with a series of marginal companion products that nobody really wanted. Communicator was trying to compete with Microsoft by becoming the user's entire desktop.

Apple's CyberDog

After a brief fling with AOL to create a parallel online universe called eWorld between 1992 and 1994, Apple discovered the web too, and delivered Cyberdog (below), a suite of Internet tools -- a web browser, ftp client, news, and email services -- built as OpenDoc application components.

Cyberdog was largely a demonstration of the potential of OpenDoc. As such, it demonstrated that OpenDoc was a solution to a problem that did not really exist. Nobody wanted to assemble components; they wanted regular apps. While CyberDog promised to replace the monolithic, bloated code in suites like Netscape's Communicator with smaller, faster components, the system had to load support libraries that effectively erased any intended benefits, ending up slower and fatter that what it hoped to replace.



As a strategic battlefield in the war between Netscape and Microsoft, Apple had the luxury of not really needing to develop its own browser for the Mac. As noted in Mac Office, $150 Million, and the Story Nobody Covered, Microsoft used the threat of delaying Office for the Mac to sign a 1997 deal with Apple to force Netscape off the Mac desktop and therefore handicap Netscape's efforts to provide a cross-platform browser.

After rapidly gaining web browser market share in 1997 as the default Windows browser, Microsoft introduced a variety of initiatives to tie all web-based development to Windows and proprietary features of IE. Microsoft similarly worked to link Java development to Windows and the IE browser, killing interoperability for both Java and the web, effectively nullifying both as cross platform alternatives to Windows-centric development.

Netscape's Mozilla Burns to the Ground

In 1998, Netscape dropped its original plans to deliver Netscape 5 as significant revision to Communicator 4. Instead, it chose to freeze development of the classic Mariner engine and instead launch a new open source project called Mozilla to deliver the new Gecko rendering engine as an open source project. That ended up taking much longer than originally anticipated.
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In 1999, AOL paid $4.2 billion for Netscape, hoping to use its new browser as a platform for modernizing the AOL service from a proprietary system of custom content to a web-based one. That business plan was complicated by the problematic ongoing development of the new Gecko-based browser. Desperate for results, AOL pressed the Netscape team to ship Mozilla's beta code as Netscape 6 in 2000, resulting in public embarrassment and further associating the Netscape brand with incompetence.

In comparison, Microsoft delivered progressive new releases of IE in 1997, 1999, and 2001 (below), leapfrogging Netscape in innovative new browser features. Netscape only gave consumers and business users a choice between an old, buggy, and slow Communicator 4 and the unfinished, buggy, and slow Netscape 6.

Microsoft quickly took over the entire browser market, both on Windows and on the Mac. With no further need to compete or innovate, Microsoft subsequently dropped IE for the Mac platform and did not release another major revision on Windows until late 2006, five years later.







Firefox Rises from the Ashes of Netscape

In 2003, AOL decided to shut down the remains of Netscape entirely. Since the Mozilla Organization was mostly made up of Netscape employees, Mozilla as a project had to quickly learn to swim or die trying.
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Much like Apple in 1997, Mozilla in 2003 had to jettison its grandiose -- yet ultimately deadweight -- architectural fantasies and get busy developing and delivering products real people might actually want to use. Mozilla's Gecko rendering engine rose from the Netscape ashes under the name Phoenix, then Firebird, then Firefox in a series of squabbles over the project's name.
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Once that was sorted out, Mozilla developers began copying the success of the original Netscape browser from a decade prior by releasing regular, innovative, and free updates to Firefox.

Mozilla Pattered After Apache

The popular Apache web server had also descended from the NCSA Mosaic server, although instead of becoming a commercial spinoff like Netscape or Spyglass, it became an open source project curated by the Apache Software Foundation. Unlike Netscape, Apache's dominant position in web servers was never overtaken by Microsoft.
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After AOL pulled the plug on the Mozilla Organization by laying off or reassigning all of Netscape's remaining employees in 2003, Mozilla reorganized as the non-profit Mozilla Foundation, much like Apache had. In 2005, this foundation set up the Mozilla Corporation as a wholly-owned subsidiary to allow it to earn revenue on commercial partnerships. Mozilla is now supported almost exclusively by its contracts with search engines.
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The Firefox browser is primarily aligned with Google, which pays Mozilla for the default direction of search engine requests to its servers. Around 95% of the $52.9 million in combined revenues of the Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla Corporation come from search engine agreements. Firefox has grabbed back a steady increase in market share, and currently has about 15% of the browser market. That consistent growth forced Microsoft to respond with the release of Internet Explorer 7 in 2006, after five years of no new major updates to its browser.

On page 3 of 3: Apple Launches Safari; and Safari 3.0 on Leopard.
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Apple Launches Safari

After being left for three years with a stagnant version of Microsoft's Internet Explorer on the Mac, Apple announced the public beta release of its own new web browser at the January 2003 Macworld Expo. While many expected Apple to release a customized browser based upon Mozilla's Gecko engine, Apple instead chose to base its browser upon KHTML, the engine powering KDE's Konquerer browser.
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This is particularly interesting because Apple had hired Dave Hyatt in 2002, who had been working for Netscape since 1997. Hyatt created the Camino browser and was a co-creator of Firefox, both of which were based on Gecko. By the time Apple began work on Safari in 2002, Mozilla had a few years of development effort invested in its new Gecko engine. However, KDE had invested a similar amount of time in its own KHTML browser engine, which began in 2000. KDE's engine was faster, smaller, and offered better support for web standards.
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Rather than using Gecko, Apple chose to enhance the KHTML rendering engine, replacing its dependancies on the Qt toolkit with an adapter that wrapped the engine with a Cocoa friendly Objective-C API. That enabled Apple to preserve as much portability and commonality with KHTML as possible. The result was the open source WebCore library. Paired with Apple's JavaScriptCore, similarly based on KDE's kjs JavaScript engine, the entire package is called WebKit. That framework is used by a number of Mac applications to render HTML content, including Safari.
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Safari adds user interface features to WebKit in the same way Firefox adds a user interface to the Mozilla Gecko engine. Like Mozilla, Apple earns some revenue from partnerships with Google. However, the main reason for developing its own browser has been to ensure the Mac platform isn't left with a second class web browser.

Safari 1.0 (below) introduced innovative bookmark organization and featured a slim user interface profile to show-off the web content being displayed rather than the browser's own buttons.



Safari 2.0, released with Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, was commonly called Safari RSS in Apple's marketing to feature its built in support for parsing syndicated RSS feeds (below). It also supported a private browsing mode, parental controls, and saving website content locally as a web archive. Safari had also advanced in its support for web standards and in rendering speed in a series of regular update releases.



Apple released Safari 3.0 (below) in June as part of the WWDC private release of Leopard, but also as a public beta for users of Mac OS 10.4 Tiger. Apple also offered a version for Windows XP and Windows Vista in an effort to spread the adoption of its Safari browser and make it easier for web developers to perform cross platform compatibility testing.

The new version of Safari featured improved searching within web pages, the resizing of text input fields within a page, drag and drop tabs, and the ability to save a group of tabs as a single bookmark. Apple also touts major speed improvements, claiming page rendering that's up to twice as fast as Internet Explorer 7, and JavaScript performance that is up to 2.8 times as fast as IE 7.



Safari 3.0 on Leopard

Running on Leopard, Safari loses the brushed metal frame it has always had, and adopts the standard unified appearance of other Leopard apps. On Windows, Safari is already there, although its close box is strangely on the wrong end of window's title bar.

Safari in Leopard also has a new feature called Web Clip. Click the scissor toolbar icon, and Web Clip allows you to select an area of a web page as a web clipping widget for use in Dashboard. The selection arrow turns into a box that locks onto specific regions of the page in the same way the iPhone's Safari identifies areas for zooming in when its display is double tapped. You can also create a freeform box that can cut out any arbitrary section of a web page.

Once selected, the region becomes a live widget in Dashboard that works identically to loading the full page a Safari window. Clippings can be assigned a custom frame design, and you can load any number of clippings into the Dashboard.

The new Safari can also purge history items at a set schedule, either every day, week, two weeks, a month, annually, or manually. Like other Leopard-savvy apps, it also defaults to directing downloads to the new Downloads users folder, and those files are tagged with the date and time they were downloaded. When you open them, the Finder warns you that the file was downloaded from the Internet, and tells you when, flagging any potential malware as suspicious.

Leopard also indexes a full text content search of bookmarked web pages and history items, so when you search through your history or bookmarks looking for information on a previously viewed page, you don't have to recall the website, the page title, or anything in URL; you can simply search for the word you are after.

While the rest of Mac OS X Leopard doesn't come out for another eight days, you can download Safari 3 now for free, both for Mac OS X Tiger and for Windows.

Check out earlier installments from AppleInsider's ongoing Road to Leopard Series: iCal 3.0, iChat 4.0, Mail 3.0, Time Machine; Spaces, Dock 1.6, Finder 10.5, Dictionary 2.0, and Preview 4.0.
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is the beta version which can be downloaded right now essentially same as what will be included in Leopard?
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Awesome... I'm so excited..
Another great article, AI.
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Web clip is one of the main reasons why I switch from PC
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i'm only interested in one thing, and that's memory use! right now safari uses an insane amount of ram, considering it's just a web browser. as much as I like safari, having to quit it on a very regular basis because its ram use creeps up to anything between 200 and 300 mb ram is just plain silly!!!
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i'm only interested in one thing, and that's memory use! right now safari uses an insane amount of ram, considering it's just a web browser. as much as I like safari, having to quit it on a very regular basis because its ram use creeps up to anything between 200 and 300 mb ram is just plain silly!!!

I don't think it is just Safari doing that; it affects the other browsers too. After some use, memory occupation piles up. Perhaps Safari is more RAM-greedy, I don't know.
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i'm only interested in one thing, and that's memory use! right now safari uses an insane amount of ram, considering it's just a web browser. as much as I like safari, having to quit it on a very regular basis because its ram use creeps up to anything between 200 and 300 mb ram is just plain silly!!!


I have to agree... the Safari Beta seems to grab memory and never ever let it go. Here's hoping the release will fix that.

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i'm only interested in one thing, and that's memory use! right now safari uses an insane amount of ram, considering it's just a web browser. as much as I like safari, having to quit it on a very regular basis because its ram use creeps up to anything between 200 and 300 mb ram is just plain silly!!!

You're still using Safari 2 aren't you?
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While the rest of Mac OS X Leopard doesn't come out for another eight days, you can download Safari 3 now for free, both for Mac OS X Tiger and for Windows.

Shouldn't that say Safari 3 Beta? Just checked now, and it's still 3.0.3 Beta up there at apple.com/safari.
I'd guess the 'real thang' won't be available 'til the 26th, simultaneous with Leopard's release.

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You're still using Safari 2 aren't you?


I have what seems to be a similar issue, and I'm on 3.0.3 Beta myself. It's gotten so bad that I've had to go back to Firefox (2.0).

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You're still using Safari 2 aren't you?

nope - the latest beta actually. I have also tried the various nightlies, but they have the same problem, it's ridiculous!

I did try the latest camino for a while, and noticed it uses way less ram, but I prefer safari's interface and thing too much, so I switched back
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Very nice article! The good old days. I also started with AOL, then Netscape, IE, Mozilla and now Firefox.

But what did you mean with this:
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On Windows, Safari is already there, although its close box is strangely on the wrong end of window's title bar.

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Every Windows app has its caption buttons on the right side (as the scroll bar and buttons in dialog boxes, too). It is also true for QuickTime and iTunes for years.

The article should also mention that the beta of Safari for Windows was a disaster. A lot of people tried it out (download of the beta was linked on Apple's home page) and it was so unstable, unsecure and for a lot of people unusable (no text on the ui or on webpages) that it destroyed the modern legend, Apple software would be much better than any other one. This arrogant public beta was maybe the biggest mistake in the development/marketing of Safari imo.
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I have what seems to be a similar issue, and I'm on 3.0.3 Beta myself. It's gotten so bad that I've had to go back to Firefox (2.0).

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i'm running 3.0.3 and its pretty snappy! i love how fast it loads. which is unlike FF 2.0, which takes like 19 bounces on initial load before it starts pinwheeling. everytime i run firefox I ask myself, 'why?' I used to love FF, but its just too slow on my macbook pro (core duo).

I don't see any memory issues here.
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Safari may be the worst software of Apple. I used it for a long time, quit several times, then went back to it to give it another chance, but finally gave up. The memory issue is not alone. There is also a CPU issue. It also doesn't do a good job rendering a lot of web sites. And last but not least, it doesn't have a "new tab" button!!! This stubbornness is killing me, Apple! Just put a damn button on the toolbar!!!

I have been using Firefox (Thank God!) for about 6 months. I used Safari 3 Beta and hated it. I will give a chance to Safari 3, but I am not very hopeful.
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You're still using Safari 2 aren't you?

It also has memory leaks and, worse, instability. I can't remember Safari 2 crashing but Safari 3 beta does once or twice a week. And perhaps some of the slowdowns are due to memory leaks, even though I have 1 Gb of RAM and usually only Mail open.
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Another good article. I like Safari 3 a lot, and it really IS faster than anything else out there. Resizable text fields are great--now give me Web Clip and fix the remaining beta bugs

I like how the article touches on the truth behind the old urban legend that Al Gore claimed to have invented the Internet (which he never did)
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
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And last but not least, it doesn't have a "new tab" button!!! This stubbornness is killing me, Apple! Just put a damn button on the toolbar!!!

Why does 'new tab' need a button...? Just hit cmd-t on the keyboard.
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Safari may be the worst software of Apple. I used it for a long time, quit several times, then went back to it to give it another chance, but finally gave up. The memory issue is not alone. There is also a CPU issue. It also doesn't do a good job rendering a lot of web sites. And last but not least, it doesn't have a "new tab" button!!! This stubbornness is killing me, Apple! Just put a damn button on the toolbar!!!

Ugh, I know! Why are they *hiding* the tabs feature in a keyboard shortcut/menu, but providing a button for "bug reports"? It doesn't make any sense.

I will say that after they fixed the issues with the (agreed, horrible) original Windows beta of Safari 3.. it's actually a pretty decent browser for Windows. And as previously pointed out, the placement of the close/maximize/minimize buttons is correct on that platform.
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Why does 'new tab' need a button...? Just hit cmd-t on the keyboard.

Uh. This is one of the main new touted features of Safari 3.. and you need to access it with a keyboard shortcut? It's ridiculous. Every other browser has a 'new tab' button. In Safari, you can close, drag, rearrange, and even create new windows from tabs using the mouse, but you can't create them with it. That simply makes no sense at all.
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You guys should really compile these articles and release them as a book - they're fantastic! Informative not only about the road to Leopard, but the phenomenal rise, fall & reserection of Apple, as well as the development of the internet and operating systems as a whole.

Truly great stuff. One of the best features on the internet I've ever found.
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Am I the only one thinking Safari 3 is slower than Safari 2 while browsing on the net? Maybe it's gonna change with Leopard, but for now I think it's slower...
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Am I the only one thinking Safari 3 is slower than Safari 2 while browsing on the net? Maybe it's gonna change with Leopard, but for now I think it's slower...

It's definitely faster on Leopard. I've noticed that as a whole Leopard generally feels faster throughout though so maybe it's something to do with wider performance enhancements.
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is the beta version which can be downloaded right now essentially same as what will be included in Leopard?

"Essentially?" Yes. Exactually? No.

Safari 3 is beta. Expect final version included in launch of Leopard. Until then, the full features can't be enjoyed in its ultimate form.
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is the beta version which can be downloaded right now essentially same as what will be included in Leopard?

It is basically the same. However it doesn't have webclipping; timed purging of history; or full blown content searching of history and bookmarks.

I'm looking forward to the content searching of history and bookmarks (I hate it when i've been to a website, moved on, decided i wanted to look at a past website which i haven't bookmarked, and then spend ages trying to track it down. I tried to avoid this by bookmarking lots, but now i have so many bookmarks they are almost useless. Even organizing my bookmarks wouldn't really help. Content search is a brilliant idea (not new, but definitely awesome).

As for Safari 3 beta (3.0.3) being a RAM hog, I totally agree. I've only two tabs going, but Safari is using 270 MB of RAM. Luckily I upgraded my macbook pro to 2gb.

I too use to hate safari. However, I haven't used anything else since Safari 3 beta came out. Although that has more to do with "Inquisitor" than anything. I hope before apple disables InputManagers permanently, they purchase Inquisitor and intergrate it into Safari. According to the wikipedia entry on Inquisitor, it does not work on the Safari 3 in leopard. However that my not be true, being based on the initial apprehension that apple had removed InputManagers (Currently they are still supported, but by default are not. Apparently though they will eventually be axed). If you haven't used it, you're missing out. Get it here: http://www.inquisitorx.com/safari/ (and no, I am not on the payroll).
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no. i want to be able to open a new tab with one mouse click or a double-click. right now i have four options: 1. FILE-> NEW TAB, 2. right click on tabbar, select "New Tab", 3. CMD+T, 4. Mouse Gesture

a simple "PLUS"-symbol or the double-click ability would solve this problem. this is stubborn.
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Why does 'new tab' need a button...? Just hit cmd-t on the keyboard.

Do I have to??? Why are we being forced to use keyboard shortcut? Just give people options. Let people choose!

If you think that way, remove the buttons for Home, Back/Forward, Add a Bug. Force people to use shortcuts for everything!
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I'm liking the 3.0 beta. It may have issues with OS X sleeping and may have some memory leaks though. I rarely go a day without force quitting Safari, usually early in the morning and especially after watching a series of multimedia pages the day before. But, beta is as beta does.

I'm grateful for 3.0's search, but with one gripe. The search field does not survive switching tabs. If I'm looking for something on more than one tabs I have to open the search field and type in my query for each tab.

I still much prefer Firefox's Live Bookmarks over Safari's RSS reader but I'm gradually seeing its advantages.

Anywho, my $0.02.


PS, I'm one of those wack-jobs that really really really wants a go button.
PSS, And ferchissakes, when clicking in the URL field, highlight the entire field! Don't make me click the tiny favicon.
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Do I have to??? Why are we being forced to use keyboard shortcut? Just give people options. Let people choose!

If you think that way, remove the buttons for Home, Back/Forward, Add a Bug. Force people to use shortcuts for everything!

Yes, let's have buttons for copy, paste, cut, view source, change text encoding to shift-JIS too! OK seriously, I can see where you're coming from but what's with the hate for keyboard shortcuts? You surely use keyboard shortcuts for quit, close window, copy, paste etc?
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Yes, let's have buttons for copy, paste, cut, view source, change text encoding to shift-JIS too! OK seriously, I can see where you're coming from but what's with the hate for keyboard shortcuts? You surely use keyboard shortcuts for quit, close window, copy, paste etc?

Options are good. Customizations are good. I'm fine with letting Apple set unusual defaults. I give them an honest try. But if they don't work for me, or if they don't work for me all the time, don't force me to conform.
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I'm a massive fan of "command + L" for selecting the URL field. If only macbook pro's came with that crazy little nob thingy on thinkpads, i'd never have to take my fingers off the keys again (actually, i hate that nob thingy).
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post #31 of 112
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Originally Posted by BlackPepper View Post

Do I have to??? Why are we being forced to use keyboard shortcut? Just give people options. Let people choose!

If you think that way, remove the buttons for Home, Back/Forward, Add a Bug. Force people to use shortcuts for everything!

Hold down the control key and click a tab and you get more choices, click in a blank 'tab' area and you get one choice.

As the adage goes, the more choices, the longer it takes to make a decision.

For speed, simplicity and a cleaner interface, buttons are kept to a minimum. That's basic, good, application design.

For sure, command-t, as well as, command-n, command-l and even command-o are significantly faster than any button could be, and thank heavens Safari isn't cluttered with them.
post #32 of 112
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Originally Posted by Jeremy Brown View Post

I'm a massive fan of "command + L" for selecting the URL field. If only macbook pro's came with that crazy little nob thingy on thinkpads, i'd never have to take my fingers off the keys again (actually, i hate that nob thingy).

Crazy little nob thingy, AKA the Nubbin, AKA the, well, it's a little risque so it's best left to the reader's imagination. LOL

Again, the whole keyboard shortcut versus mouse stuff (buttons or click actions) is really about choice. If my hand is on the mouse don't force me to go to the keyboard. Maybe I'm lounging with my feet up on the desk, maybe I'm drinking coffee. Don't force me turn around, put down the mug of caffeinated goodness, just because there's no button.

Sure, hide the button by default or turn off actions by default. I don't mind. Make the interface as clean and simple as possible. Great.

But I like choices as much as I like options, which is just as much as I like customizations.
post #33 of 112
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Originally Posted by lookingglass View Post

Crazy little nob thingy, AKA the Nubbin, AKA the, well, it's a little risque so it's best left to the reader's imagination. LOL

Again, the whole keyboard shortcut versus mouse stuff (buttons or click actions) is really about choice. If my hand is on the mouse don't force me to go to the keyboard. Maybe I'm lounging with my feet up on the desk, maybe I'm drinking coffee. Don't force me turn around, put down the mug of caffeinated goodness, just because there's no button.

Sure, hide the button by default or turn off actions by default. I don't mind. Make the interface as clean and simple as possible. Great.

But I like choices as much as I like options, which is just as much as I like customizations.

Yeah, your right.

I actually also wouldn't mind having the option to split the stop refresh button in two. Although i;m not sure the use of this would justify the added complexity.
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post #34 of 112
I find it's six and one half dozen the other. Depending on what you have open in each browser, RAM usage becomes an issue.

For example, right now I'm at:
Safari - 536.50 MB of RAM
Firefox - 398.65 MB of RAM

However, the real issue is:
Safari - 12% CPU
Firefox - 50% CPU

Firefox in this state is basically unusable. Bit of a pain, for sure. Safari still snappy.
Of course, this is all Flash's fault, as near as I can tell. Would be nice to turn Flash off in Firefox ala Camino.
post #35 of 112
Wasn't Safari 3 Suppose to have Built-In Anti-Phlishing Technology? And wasn't Apple working with Google on this?

The feature is not in the beta is it? Its not listed as one of Safari 3 features.

Was it dropped due to privacy concerns (i.e., people were unconfortable with the idea of sending every URL they click on to Google for a check).

Dave
post #36 of 112
Here's a simple test to demonstrate one of the memory leaks in Safari:
  • Quit Safari completely and restart. Don't browse anywhere.
  • Next, start Activity Monitor and sort by name, scroll down to see Safari. It'll be using about 30MB of memory.
  • Now, in Safari, just press the Bookmarks icon to show the bookmarks and then close it again
  • You'll see the memory usage increase, fall back a little, and finish higher than when you started
  • Now, click on and off the Bookmarks icon until you get bored, and you'll see the memory use Safari grow and grow
That's just one example of a leak - it's probably proportional to the number of bookmarks you have, if you don't have many, you might not notice it. I haven't tested that.

I tested that on Safari 3.0.3 under 10.4.10 on an Intel iMac.

Time for Apple to sort this out. That's just bad programming.

Paul
post #37 of 112
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Originally Posted by sandau View Post

i'm running 3.0.3 and its pretty snappy! i love how fast it loads. which is unlike FF 2.0, which takes like 19 bounces on initial load before it starts pinwheeling. everytime i run firefox I ask myself, 'why?' I used to love FF, but its just too slow on my macbook pro (core duo).

I don't see any memory issues here.


Safari 3.0.3 beta was great for me too.... at first. Then it just kept seizing more and more memory, and wouldn't release it, even if I quit the app. I eventually had to start doing restarts. But lately, Safari grinds along very slowly no matter WHAT I do, especially at launch.

Out of morbid curiousity, I just now launched Safari, and timed how long it took from me clicking on the Safari icon in the dock to it finishing loading my default home page (Yahoo). Result? 1 minute, 38 seconds. And I'm on a cable modem, NOT on dial-up.

This is unacceptable, obviously. So I'll wait for the 'real deal' Safari and hope the problems are fixed. 'til then, its Firefox 2.0.

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post #38 of 112
Memory leak example #2:
  • Quit Safari and restart
  • Open Activity Monitor and find Safari
  • Browse to www.appleinsider.com and then do nothing
  • Watch the memory usage slowly creep up (and marvel at the CPU utilisation playing those annoying flash ads)
post #39 of 112
The changes sound great but one thing I don't like with the current Safari is you can only select whether or not to allow popups for all pages. Many browsers have a option where you can just allow popups from certain pages and not others. Is this going to be in the new Safari?
post #40 of 112
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

For sure, command-t, as well as, command-n, command-l and even command-o are significantly faster than any button could be, and thank heavens Safari isn't cluttered with them.

Well, I really don't care about the milliseconds I will save by using the keyboard shortcuts. I want to be able to do browsing without using keyboard. A mouse must be enough, when using the bookmarks. BUT, the thing is, no matter who is right, that doesn't matter, because it's up to a choice, and Safari doesn't give that choice.

The button I am talking about is not an unusual one. Every browser except Safari has it, and it's one of the main and most used buttons.

Anyway, I will probably continue with Firefox, although I would prefer using a native browser.
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