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post #1 of 38
11/18/01 at 6:06am
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Maybe its taking so long because they are working on a cocoa version? Hopefully they are working on something...
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post #2 of 38
11/18/01 at 7:44am
Cocoa: doubtful.

Real makes some of the most CPU-hogging, bloated, nasty-interfaced crapware I've ever seen. I'll be glad if no RealPlayer for OS X ever surfaces, because frankly it's an embarrassment, and as far as I've ever been concerned, unnecessary.
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post #3 of 38
11/18/01 at 7:44am
There are UNIX version out although I read somewhere else that those versions do not work properly on X. Maybe if someone could figure out how to make 'em work. Much obliged <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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post #4 of 38
11/18/01 at 9:10am
Yeah I can't wait till it comes out so I can NOT download that POS. Real might as well give it up.
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11/18/01 at 10:51am
it is really making me mad. All my friends are like, "hey, this is funny dude".
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post #6 of 38
11/18/01 at 11:45am
Real Player is without a doubt one of the nastiest pieces of software ever written on any platform. It's widely believed to have been coded by chimps.

Rather than wait for it to appear on OS X, why not ask the sites you visit that use Real video to offer other formats?
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post #7 of 38
11/18/01 at 11:53am
I agree wholeheartedly that (un)Real Player is the worst junk written. Don't have it on OS 9.2.1 and OS X...and not missing much anyways.
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post #8 of 38
11/18/01 at 12:43pm
[quote]Originally posted by MajorMatt:
<strong>Maybe its taking so long because they are working on a cocoa version? Hopefully they are working on something...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I got the change to chat with a real project mangeer the other day. I saked him about what real is doing of OS X. He said they are working on a CABROB version of there software and it should be out soon. He could not give me a date

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11/18/01 at 7:07pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Michaelm8000:
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I got the change to chat with a real project mangeer the other day. I saked him about what real is doing of OS X. He said they are working on a CABROB version of there software and it should be out soon. He could not give me a date</strong><hr></blockquote>


What's CABROB? Is that a typo again?
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post #10 of 38
11/18/01 at 7:33pm
My prediction: Real Player will be dead by this time next year. Why? Cause they suck. I hate to admit it by WMP is better. But nothing will come close to Quicktime quality...that rocks. But Real Player....Dead by the end of 2002.
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post #11 of 38
11/18/01 at 9:22pm
[quote]Originally posted by Leonis:
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What's CABROB? Is that a typo again? </strong><hr></blockquote>

carbon, it was a typo

I asked that project manneger what features Reall has that gives them an edge on there competitors, he said " Real bealives in suporting many diffent formats, making a 1 stop player for viewing and playing meida, that is why we biuld in quick time suport" I then asked him who he considers his bigest comeptitors, he said "definetly Windows Media Player" I saked so not quicktime? and he said " no quick time is more of a partner that we work with and suport"

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post #12 of 38
11/19/01 at 1:30am
Thr problem with Realplayer saying it 'suports Quicktime' is that it only suports a tiny part of what Quicktime is able to do. Full QT can do Flash 4&gt;5, midi audio, Play 'fast start' movie files, play streamed movie files etc. while the only part of Quicktime Real is going to suport is the playing of QT vidio files, that have the .mov file type.
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post #13 of 38
11/19/01 at 1:34am
[quote]Originally posted by Mediaman:
<strong>Thr problem with Realplayer saying it 'suports Quicktime' is that it only suports a tiny part of what Quicktime is able to do. Full QT can do Flash 4&gt;5, midi audio, Play 'fast start' movie files, play streamed movie files etc. while the only part of Quicktime Real is going to suport is the playing of QT vidio files, that have the .mov file type.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Shouldn't QT also be able to play real formats too now?
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11/19/01 at 8:29am
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[quote]Originally posted by Sinewave:
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Shouldn't QT also be able to play real formats too now?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No. According to the agreement between Apple and Real. Real Player can play back QT file. But QuickTime player CANNOT play Real format. Real audio and video files are the proprietary format and have to be licenced by Real.

Also Real Player can't play QTVR files.
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post #15 of 38
11/19/01 at 8:52am
hey, i hate real player just as much as the next guy. but i need it to watch my Simpson's and Family Guy episodes...

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post #16 of 38
11/19/01 at 8:57am
RealPlayer's interface (and who knows how much else) is done in Visual Basic. The engine is written in Visual C++. The Mac port is done with Microsoft's cross compiler, which is abominable, and then polished a little so that it actually runs. (Microsoft's native compilers are nothing to write home about, either...).

You'll see RealPlayer for OS X when MS gets their cross compiler to support OS X (in which case Real for X will continue to suck mightily) or if lightning strikes the company and they hire some actual Mac programmers to write the client.

Maybe we should start a petition to have Real contract out to OmniGroup?
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post #17 of 38
11/19/01 at 2:34pm
I've contacted RealNetworks several times to harass them about this specific thing, even pulling the press card, and the employees there repeatedly amaze me with their complete lack of acknowledement of the difference between "native" and "runs in Classic."

Real isn't committed to the platform, and they're not really very interested in devoting sufficient resources to RealPlayerX that it's going to be finished anytime soon.

Count on it being a POS when it's released too; I doubt it'll be out even in the first six months of 2002, but I could be mistaken.

Windows Media Player for Mac OS X is actually good software. QuickTime generally gives me better quality, but on dialup I've noticed that WMP consistently delivers better quality than QuickTime. The beta I'm using doesn't come with a browser plugin, but the few WMP files I've downloaded and streamed over the internet have played well.

Microsoft did a good job with it; it'll be a valuable addition to OS X's growing software library.
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post #18 of 38
11/19/01 at 3:08pm
[quote]Originally posted by gorgonzola:
<strong>I've contacted RealNetworks several times to harass them about this specific thing, even pulling the press card, and the employees there repeatedly amaze me with their complete lack of acknowledement of the difference between "native" and "runs in Classic."

Real isn't committed to the platform, and they're not really very interested in devoting sufficient resources to RealPlayerX that it's going to be finished anytime soon.

Count on it being a POS when it's released too; I doubt it'll be out even in the first six months of 2002, but I could be mistaken.

Windows Media Player for Mac OS X is actually good software. QuickTime generally gives me better quality, but on dialup I've noticed that WMP consistently delivers better quality than QuickTime. The beta I'm using doesn't come with a browser plugin, but the few WMP files I've downloaded and streamed over the internet have played well.

Microsoft did a good job with it; it'll be a valuable addition to OS X's growing software library.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Is Windows Medai Player for OS X out now?

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post #19 of 38
11/19/01 at 3:38pm
Doesn't it ship with Office v.X? That just started shipping today, too.

Maybe they put it on their site?

I'm going to go look...
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post #20 of 38
11/19/01 at 9:10pm
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post #21 of 38
11/20/01 at 8:34pm
[quote]Originally posted by macway:
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Whaaa why don't they have it for download?!!!! Someone want to put the iDisk to use... It's freeware right?
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post #22 of 38
11/20/01 at 10:58pm
I've seen it at some warez places, haven't gotten around to downloading it--I think it is available separately from Office v.X, though it may not be released publicly as such, yet.
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post #23 of 38
11/21/01 at 9:57am
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MacCentral has an article today that says Real Player will be 'here' sometime in 2002.

Sounds like sh!t but at least better than no words at all
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post #24 of 38
11/21/01 at 10:59am
I've had a WMP beta for a little while now, but the final shipping with Office X will be posted as a free download at some point. Apparently the browser plugin works too. :cool:
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post #25 of 38
11/22/01 at 12:04pm
Honestly, the only sites where I feel like I miss out because I dont use the Real Player is ESPN.com. Every once in a while I like to watch the hockey clips or interviews. But even so, at 56k, the quality is so crappy that I don't even bother most of the time.

I'd try it more often if they used a QT format though... for those of you who visit said site it might be worthwhile to suggest to the webmaster that they use QT Movie format since it supports Winblows too. Make the argument that the video quality is much higher, blah blah...
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post #26 of 38
11/22/01 at 6:19pm
I'd be happy if everyone just used QuickTime. I can't stand RealPlayer, either. Ugly, clunky, unreliable, etc.
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post #27 of 38
11/22/01 at 6:38pm
Real Player is a POS but unfortunately, until we convert everyone to QuickTime, it is needed.

Real Player used to take over 30 seconds to quit on my G3 - no joke! Since I upgraded, it only takes about 6 seconds.
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post #28 of 38
11/23/01 at 7:44am
I have a feeling Windows Media will take over Real's spot rather than QT. Both are pretty good and have their strengths and weaknesses.

Glad to hear that the new WiMP for Mac is decent, it used to be a complete piece of crap.
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11/23/01 at 9:24am
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I too would like to see WMP and QT to take over the market and let Real go dead
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post #30 of 38
11/23/01 at 9:27am
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I have a feeling Windows Media will take over Real's spot rather than QT. Both are pretty good and have their strengths and weaknesses.

Glad to hear that the new WiMP for Mac is decent, it used to be a complete piece of crap.</strong><hr></blockquote>

For one QT and WMP are all ready used more than RM. For Two neither of them will take over each other. They will do what they always have been doing.. offer it in both formats. BTW very rarely do I just see WMP format being offered. But many many times I have seen just QT being offered. QT has been the multimedia standard for over 10 years now.
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11/23/01 at 9:31am
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BTW....if we can stream MPEG file I think I may suggest people to use MPEG file instead. MPEG can be viewed by WMP on PC and QT on Mac without problem....
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post #32 of 38
11/23/01 at 12:11pm
anyone care to post a screen shot of windows media player x? i want to make sure that it doesn´t look as butt ugly as all the previous versions do.

thanks.
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11/23/01 at 2:09pm
[quote]Originally posted by Leonis:
<strong>BTW....if we can stream MPEG file I think I may suggest people to use MPEG file instead. MPEG can be viewed by WMP on PC and QT on Mac without problem....</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree totally.
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11/23/01 at 2:57pm
[quote]Originally posted by gumby5647:
<strong>hey, i hate real player just as much as the next guy. but i need it to watch my Simpson's and Family Guy episodes...

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Get a TV...amazing technological achievement...and it get you away from your cherished computer...
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11/23/01 at 3:15pm
[quote]Originally posted by Artman @_@:
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Get a TV...amazing technological achievement...and it get you away from your cherished computer... </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah TVs are more cultural than computers.
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11/24/01 at 9:47pm
[quote]Originally posted by prutz11:
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Whaaa why don't they have it for download?!!!! Someone want to put the iDisk to use... It's freeware right?</strong><hr></blockquote>

That would be awesome if someone would put the free software on their iDisk. I would be interested to see how it works.

Strange they are shipping it with Office, but don't have it for download...
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post #37 of 38
11/25/01 at 9:04am
<a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0111/21.real.php" target="_blank">Here's what Maccentral have on this OS X Realplayer crap...</a>
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post #38 of 38
11/25/01 at 3:10pm
I wish Apple would just buy Real and put that player out of its misery.

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QT+Real = instant marketshare and mindshare.

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