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post #1 of 194
10/21/07 at 2:45pm
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I read some news somewhere showing that Apple will release the new Apple Cinema Display with 24", 30" and 37" module and iSight built in. Anybody saw this kind of news? I really doubt about the information.

I am planning to buy the 23" ACD soon. So this news really confuses me right now and I do not know if it worthes waiting.
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post #2 of 194
10/21/07 at 3:03pm
If you can wait until Macworld I'd be highly surprised if we didn't see the new models by then, and yes, they will have built-in iSights, that's a given.

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post #3 of 194
10/21/07 at 3:09pm
None of the rumors claiming this have been credible so far. Not to mention that no 37-inch display to date has had a resolution greater than 1920x1080, so it would actually be a step backwards without a new design.

It might also be doubtful that Apple includes a built-in iSight. Many Mac Pro users work in places where a camera would be a security risk. The only way I could see an iSight showing up is if Apple had a particularly low-cost Cinema Display, and even then it wouldn't be universal (maybe only on a 20-inch model).
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10/21/07 at 3:18pm
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so the better choice is to wait until Macworld. The new ACD should have advanced features, right?
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post #5 of 194
10/21/07 at 3:31pm
There is a big chance that prior to Christmas the Mac Pro will be update. So new ACDs could be release at the same time as well. So I would wait if I was you.
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post #6 of 194
10/21/07 at 3:36pm
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Thax for advice, guys! I will wait. But do u guys know any specs of the new ACD? Especially the panel. We all know ACD is using IPS now. So I really do not like apple changing the panel for ACD like they did on iMac.
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post #7 of 194
10/21/07 at 4:10pm
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Thax for advice, guys! I will wait. But do u guys know any specs of the new ACD? Especially the panel. We all know ACD is using IPS now. So I really do not like apple changing the panel for ACD like they did on iMac.

All are guesses, only Apple knows.

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post #8 of 194
10/21/07 at 5:52pm
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None of the rumors claiming this have been credible so far. Not to mention that no 37-inch display to date has had a resolution greater than 1920x1080, so it would actually be a step backwards without a new design.

It might also be doubtful that Apple includes a built-in iSight. Many Mac Pro users work in places where a camera would be a security risk. The only way I could see an iSight showing up is if Apple had a particularly low-cost Cinema Display, and even then it wouldn't be universal (maybe only on a 20-inch model).

I never go by rumors, and I always said the displays will come with the Mac Pro, and that would be at MWSF.
I'm 95% sure there will be an iSight built in. Weather it be a flush but removable iSight, or some flexible way to solve this problem, but Apple will take care of it.
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post #9 of 194
10/21/07 at 5:54pm
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Weather it be a flush but removable iSight, or some flexible way to solve this problem, but Apple will take care of it.

Huh?..

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post #10 of 194
10/21/07 at 5:58pm
He's talking about some way of physically disabling the iSight for those companies/facilities that ban cameras.

It seems to me that a little aluminum shutter window would do the trick...
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post #11 of 194
10/21/07 at 6:14pm
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He's talking about some way of physically disabling the iSight for those companies/facilities that ban cameras.

It seems to me that a little aluminum shutter window would do the trick...

They will be just like the iMacs cameras I'd bet money on it.

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post #12 of 194
10/21/07 at 8:26pm
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They will be just like the iMacs cameras I'd bet money on it.

And what are the iMac cameras like? Can you shut them off as an employer? Is it possible for an employee to turn it back on. I can't imagine Pixar, or any company that is trying to keep secrets, like Apple, letting a camera into sensitive areas, or a any government facility for that matter.
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post #13 of 194
10/21/07 at 8:34pm
Given the extremely poor value the ACDs currently represent, I'd just go with an HP or Dell monitor, and get a USB web cam.
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post #14 of 194
10/23/07 at 8:12am
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And what are the iMac cameras like? Can you shut them off as an employer? Is it possible for an employee to turn it back on. I can't imagine Pixar, or any company that is trying to keep secrets, like Apple, letting a camera into sensitive areas, or a any government facility for that matter.

I imagine such institutions would remove or destroy the cameras.
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post #15 of 194
10/23/07 at 3:22pm
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I read some news somewhere showing that Apple will release the new Apple Cinema Display with 24", 30" and 37" module and iSight built in. Anybody saw this kind of news? I really doubt about the information.

I am planning to buy the 23" ACD soon. So this news really confuses me right now and I do not know if it worthes waiting.

I doubt there will be a 37" model, but I can see the 23" getting replaced with a 24" model. The iMac got FireWire 800 so the updated Cinema Displays could also be getting FireWire 800. I think the new Apple Cinema Displays will have built-in iSight, but businesses will be able to purchase them without the iSight.
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post #16 of 194
10/23/07 at 3:37pm
I think they will have an optional iSight. Built to order.

Plus I think is very reasonable to expect a larger than 30" ACD at this time. I hope it happens.
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post #17 of 194
10/23/07 at 4:03pm
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None of the rumors claiming this have been credible so far. Not to mention that no 37-inch display to date has had a resolution greater than 1920x1080, so it would actually be a step backwards without a new design.

It might also be doubtful that Apple includes a built-in iSight. Many Mac Pro users work in places where a camera would be a security risk. The only way I could see an iSight showing up is if Apple had a particularly low-cost Cinema Display, and even then it wouldn't be universal (maybe only on a 20-inch model).

OS X Server 10.5 has control options to disable devices on the network--iSight included.
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post #18 of 194
10/23/07 at 7:26pm
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I think is very reasonable to expect a larger than 30" ACD at this time.

At what resolution?
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post #19 of 194
10/23/07 at 8:35pm
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I think they will have an optional iSight. Built to order.

Plus I think is very reasonable to expect a larger than 30" ACD at this time. I hope it happens.

What they really need to new slimmer ACD 24" & 32", and a cheaper 20" that could even look different to the new ACD's, to go with the Mac mini, if you simply must buy an Apple display to go with it.

Build-to-order built-in iSights sounds like a good idea.

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post #20 of 194
10/23/07 at 9:33pm
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At what resolution?

I would think higher than 2560 x 1600.
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post #21 of 194
10/23/07 at 11:46pm
The only feature I care about in new ACDs is higher pixel density. Nothing else would motivate me to buy one.
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post #22 of 194
10/24/07 at 5:10am
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The only feature I am caring about is the panel. We all know ACD now is using IPS or S-IPS. So I really do not like apple changing the panel for ACD like they did on iMac. But we will see. If the panel changing really happens, I will have to choose the old one from ebay or somewhere else. That will be sad!
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post #23 of 194
10/24/07 at 11:30am
My guess is that with the next ACD lineup you will see

20" -Hopefully HD 1080
24"- 2560x1600 (WQXGA)
30" -2560x1600 (WQXGA)

Better backpanel lighting. Higher contrast and new design. I don't see the resolution getting any higher because you already need dual link TMDS receivers for the 2560x1600 rez. What's needed to effectively take advantage of Resolution Independence is higher PPI which is why I think the 20" is going to 1920x1080 and the 24" is going 2560x1600.
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post #24 of 194
10/24/07 at 11:47am
If Apple offer a 24" ACD with 2560x1600, I'll buy one -- if it doesn't cost more than $2000.
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post #25 of 194
10/24/07 at 8:02pm
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If Apple offer a 24" ACD with 2560x1600, I'll buy one -- if it doesn't cost more than $2000.

If the new ACD is 24" with 2560x1600, then "mac nano" will be out-of-date for the ACD!! Do not happen like that!
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post #26 of 194
10/24/07 at 10:42pm
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My guess is that with the next ACD lineup you will see

20" -Hopefully HD 1080
24"- 2560x1600 (WQXGA)
30" -2560x1600 (WQXGA)

Better backpanel lighting. Higher contrast and new design. I don't see the resolution getting any higher because you already need dual link TMDS receivers for the 2560x1600 rez. What's needed to effectively take advantage of Resolution Independence is higher PPI which is why I think the 20" is going to 1920x1080 and the 24" is going 2560x1600.

I agree and I'd hope OS X had the ability to selectively Zoom a localized {(x(0),y(0)), (x(m),y(n))} Rect(x,y) that could be zoomed in independent wrt the global coordinates (screen). After all, if it is truly RI then the Screen could be a collection of Objects and differing layers and the meta information of picture a being different than picture b, so on and so forth could be viewed independently at their native resolution.
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post #27 of 194
10/25/07 at 4:52am
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If the new ACD is 24" with 2560x1600, then "mac nano" will be out-of-date for the ACD!! Do not happen like that!

You have specs on the Mac Nano? Are you sure it won't support Dual-DVI or Type 3 HDMI?
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post #28 of 194
10/25/07 at 8:44am
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You have specs on the Mac Nano? Are you sure it won't support Dual-DVI or Type 3 HDMI?

There is no reason to say I know! All the talkings here are just guess. Probably it will support, that is the best situation. But we will see.
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post #29 of 194
10/26/07 at 3:33pm
I've been waiting for this day for a long time. Now it's here. No new Cinema Displays? But when?

Like a few of you on this forum, I have been holding off on upgrading my Desktop machine for when new Cinema Diplays and Leopard are available. Now Leopard is here, but no new Displays?

Anyone have more insight? There's been talk of "resolution independence" or something like that, a technology that was rumored to maybe have been a part of Leopard and that was the reason that the revised Cinema Displays were being held back.

But now there's talk of waiting till 2008??!!! Does anyone think people like me are wainging for something that's not gonna happen? Seriously, I can get by without buying right now. I can wait some more. But I really thought something would be announced today.

Maybe it's delusional but I would think Apple has far better displays up their sleeve for release at some point. The present ones are practically ancient, and you can see they are capable of executing beautiful 180 ppi screens on the iPhone.

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post #30 of 194
10/26/07 at 3:51pm
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I've been waiting for this day for a long time. Now it's here.

Still 2 hours 10 minutes left to the release of Leopard. Let's wait and see whether or not any new hardware will be announced then.
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10/26/07 at 3:58pm
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I've been waiting for this day for a long time. Now it's here. No new Cinema Displays? But when?
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I don't think Apple had any plans o introduce the MacPro and displays Today. Today is about Leopard, Apple do not want to take the spotlight out of it.
I would expect displays alongside MacPro any tuesday from next week all the way to middle of November when Intel is releasing the chips. Maybe we will see a special event, maybe not but I am still hopeful it will still happen this year.
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10/26/07 at 6:18pm
I hope they add component so that I can hook up my XBox 360.
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10/28/07 at 8:53am
I just noticed that Apple updated the packaging box for the displays. (Leopard's space wallpaper: http://www.apple.com/displays/) I guess this hints that that the displays may not see an update for a while. Because why would they update the box if they are going to be releasing a new model soon?

Oh well...
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post #34 of 194
10/28/07 at 9:47am
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I just noticed that Apple updated the packaging box for the displays. (Leopard's space wallpaper: http://www.apple.com/displays/) I guess this hints that that the displays may not see an update for a while. Because why would they update the box if they are going to be releasing a new model soon?

Oh well...

No, they're just not sloppy enough to leave the picture of a computer with an older operating system on it.
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10/28/07 at 9:52am
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I just noticed that Apple updated the packaging box for the displays. (Leopard's space wallpaper: http://www.apple.com/displays/) I guess this hints that that the displays may not see an update for a while. Because why would they update the box if they are going to be releasing a new model soon?

Oh well...

You conclusion is making sense. But I am afraid I am not agree with you. Leopard is a main point for Apple and apple wants everything to be related with leopard. So apple will probably change anything that is possible to promote OS. The current Apple Cinema Display has been there for over 6 years, they have no reason not to upgrade it. I am sure new ACD will be out during the period from now to MacWorld 2008.
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10/28/07 at 10:40am
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The current Apple Cinema Display has been there for over 6 years, they have no reason not to upgrade it.

Don't pull facts from a hat, that's not true at all. It has been a while and they are due for an update but the current displays have been there for 3 years.
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post #37 of 194
10/28/07 at 2:52pm
You're assuming that a > 30-inch Cinema Display would feature an existing graphics card and interface connector.

Apple has used propietary interfaces in the past, and I believe that the Dual Link DVI interface that the current 30-inch uses was developed by Apple exactly because there wasn't anything else out there that could handle what they required.

I'm sure there are larger panels out there with higher pixel counts the 30-inch Cinema Display was introduced over three years ago and that's an eternity in the IT world. I'm also sure that there are also graphics cards capable of driving higher res. panels the missing link seems to be the interface itself...
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10/28/07 at 3:01pm
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You're assuming that a > 30-inch Cinema Display would feature an existing graphics card and interface connector.

Apple has used propietary interfaces in the past, and I believe that the Dual Link DVI interface that the current 30-inch uses was developed by Apple exactly because there wasn't anything else out there that could handle what they required.

I'm sure there are larger panels out there with higher pixel counts the 30-inch Cinema Display was introduced over three years ago and that's an eternity in the IT world. I'm also sure that there are also graphics cards capable of driving higher res. panels the missing link seems to be the interface itself...

It's the other way around. The standard interface for resolutions higher 2560x1600 is the HDMI Type 3 connector. The problem is that there are no graphics cards or standard LCD panels on the market, though Apple could have them developed once Resolution Independence is released.
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10/28/07 at 3:31pm
Apple is going to have to move to displayport like the rest of the industry. The eventual productline will likely top out above 30" at 3840x2400 Resolution.

Who would need such 9.2 Megapixel resolution? Medical imagery, Photographers and a fast growing segment of Video Professionals that want to acquire and display in 4k resolution.
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post #40 of 194
10/28/07 at 8:49pm
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... I think the 20" is going to 1920x1080...

Apple won't release a display with a resolution of 1920x1080, I am 100% certain of this. Why? Because that's a 16:9 aspect ratio, used only for LCD TV's. 1920x1200 is more realistic, since it's a 16:10 aspect ratio (the ratio that widescreen monitors use). Don't worry, like the 23" HD Cinema, I'm sure it will be 1080p-capable.
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