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yep, post your upgrade experience ...
also post some quick likes and dislikes about it once upgraded, what works and NOT works ...

thanks

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just ran the install on my 24" iMac 2.4, didn't do an erase and install as cbf re-installing FC Studio. it took about 45 mins, all up, i think. no issues so far, though only been going about 15 mins on it. love spaces, btw. oh and the slightly different interface and working of finder (side bar) requires a little getting used to, but is good so far.
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post #3 of 172
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Originally Posted by sennen View Post

just ran the install on my 24" iMac 2.4, didn't do an erase and install as cbf re-installing FC Studio. it took about 45 mins, all up, i think. no issues so far, though only been going about 15 mins on it. love spaces, btw. oh and the slightly different interface and working of finder (side bar) requires a little getting used to, but is good so far.

great! i am still waiting for amazon to ship mine ...

you feel faster compared to Tiger?

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Nov '09 | iMac 21.5" C2D 3.06 Ghz | Intel 330 240GB SSD | ATI

Sep '12| Toshiba 14" 1366 x 768! | i5 3rd Gen 6GB| Intel x25-m 120GB SSD | Win 7|  Viewsonic VX2255wmb 22" LCD
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post #4 of 172
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Originally Posted by shanmugam View Post

great! i am still waiting for amazon to ship mine ...

you feel faster compared to Tiger?

TNT were at our office before we opened this morning and (thankfully) my boss caught them as they were about to leave...

hmm, hard to say about 'teh snappiness (tm)', perhaps a little - the iMac is snappy as it is...
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post #5 of 172
I put the DVD in, hit install, came back a half hour later, and it was installed on my MacBook Pro. No problems other than the fact that I forgot to uninstall Uno before I installed tthis, so some of the dialog boxes look odd.
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great infintespecter, what is the disk space before and after install?

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post #7 of 172
I recommend at least backing up your library if you don't want to back up everything.

You don't even have to burn it or anything, just duplicate it, shouldn't be more then a gig or two.

Leopard upgrade played badly with various settings, like my colorsync, Adobe stuff, etc, etc. And it screwed up my keychains(luckily I had a back up so no passwords lost).

Other then a bit of cleaning up preferences to get things back to normal, it's ok so far.

but then it's a rule of thumb every major upgrade would hit the preference bug.
post #8 of 172
Went perfectly, though mds took its usual time creating the Spotlight index. But what a change! Searching across a pile of large mailboxes in Mail is virtually immediate, and even finding, say, all text files modified in the last four days, on the whole disk, only takes a second or so. Whether that'll last through the coming weeks and months remains to be seen.

Dock folder behavior is a retrograde step, unfortunately, if you have any large folders - instead of being able to bring up the directory in the Finder with a single click, you now have to right-click and "Show in Finder"; the only click options are the new fan or grid. (The grid does include an icon to show it in the Finder, but again, not as immediate as just clicking on the Dock icon)

PowerBook owners (of some models) will have a pleasant surprise waiting in the Keyboard & Mouse prefs - finally, two-fingered tapping's been enabled for right-clicking! (MacBook/MBP owners have had this all along, and there are third-party extensions for that, but great to see it included)

iCal's designers need slapping with a burly salmon. Previously, if you had a couple overlapping calendars, the foremost calendar would be shown with solid entries, the others going translucent; now, they're all translucent, all the time, except for the single highlighted entry. Very cluttered. Can't keep event info displayed all the time, with the War on Drawers in full swing - can only double click on each event and have the info pop up in a floating caption. No pref available for altering the translucency.

BOINC needed reinstalling; Vienna's unread counts and scrollbars are a couple pixels off; Java seems visually b0rked in some cases.
post #9 of 172
Hi.

Has anyone had anny trubble with Adobe CS3 and leopard?

Im thinking about upgrading tonight, but i hva to be sure that it is no problem with CS3 and leopard.
post #10 of 172
*licks chops*

Keep the upgrade experiences coming! I like to hold off until I hear that the majority of people have little/no problems making the switch. I just have a hard time jumping right into stuff like this... I blame Microsoft...
post #11 of 172
Well, so far i haven't herd of one problem EXCEPT the people that have installed from torrents. They are having serious issues. If anyone is thinking about downloading it, I would highly suggest not to, especially if your work depends on your computer like me. They are getting bad driver errors, boot camp doesn't work right, some people are getting a blue screen, the OS will lock-up out of no where and they have to do a hard restart, and so many more problems. Apple doesn't try to break your pocket with OS releases, I am buying a copy as soon as I hear that everything runs fine, including: All Adobe software (PS, Illustrator, InDesign, Flash, Dreamweaver, After Effects) with all my plug-ins, Cinema 4D, Cubase 4, Motion Tracker, Live 6, Reason 3, OnTheJob (even though it's not that big of a deal, I still use it every day), AND all of my VSTi's and audio plug-ins. I can't upgrade until it's all been confirmed. I use 98% of what's on my computer everyday, going without one application is unacceptable.
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post #12 of 172
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if possible please post which machine you are running.

Nov '09 | iMac 21.5" C2D 3.06 Ghz | Intel 330 240GB SSD | ATI

Sep '12| Toshiba 14" 1366 x 768! | i5 3rd Gen 6GB| Intel x25-m 120GB SSD | Win 7|  Viewsonic VX2255wmb 22" LCD
iPhone 4S| iPad 2 wifi

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Nov '09 | iMac 21.5" C2D 3.06 Ghz | Intel 330 240GB SSD | ATI

Sep '12| Toshiba 14" 1366 x 768! | i5 3rd Gen 6GB| Intel x25-m 120GB SSD | Win 7|  Viewsonic VX2255wmb 22" LCD
iPhone 4S| iPad 2 wifi

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post #13 of 172
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Originally Posted by shanmugam View Post

if possible please post which machine you are running.

I'm not sure you're talking specifically to me or not, but I'll post anyway.

15" MacBook Pro (bought this summer)
2.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB SDRAM
GeForce 8600 GT (128MB)
802.11n

I'm curious... If I don't use many complex programs (Adobe programs, FinalCut, etc.) do I need to worry about the upgrade? I feel like at the current stage I'm at, my worries may be unfounded.
post #14 of 172
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thanks compulsiveguile, i am talking in general, thanks!

Nov '09 | iMac 21.5" C2D 3.06 Ghz | Intel 330 240GB SSD | ATI

Sep '12| Toshiba 14" 1366 x 768! | i5 3rd Gen 6GB| Intel x25-m 120GB SSD | Win 7|  Viewsonic VX2255wmb 22" LCD
iPhone 4S| iPad 2 wifi

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Nov '09 | iMac 21.5" C2D 3.06 Ghz | Intel 330 240GB SSD | ATI

Sep '12| Toshiba 14" 1366 x 768! | i5 3rd Gen 6GB| Intel x25-m 120GB SSD | Win 7|  Viewsonic VX2255wmb 22" LCD
iPhone 4S| iPad 2 wifi

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post #15 of 172
Took about 1:30 hours to install, but did so smoothly... didn't even have to bother backing anything up (did an upgrade). Only one question... do you always have to press cmd Y to do quick look?
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post #16 of 172
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Took about 1:30 hours to install, but did so smoothly... didn't even have to bother backing anything up (did an upgrade). Only one question... do you always have to press cmd Y to do quick look?

You can press the space bar while something's selected in the Finder.
post #17 of 172
Anny news on CS3?

Working fine or not?
post #18 of 172
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Originally Posted by compulsiveguile View Post

I'm not sure you're talking specifically to me or not, but I'll post anyway.

15" MacBook Pro (bought this summer)
2.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB SDRAM
GeForce 8600 GT (128MB)
802.11n

I'm curious... If I don't use many complex programs (Adobe programs, FinalCut, etc.) do I need to worry about the upgrade? I feel like at the current stage I'm at, my worries may be unfounded.

Good question; right now I'm looking at purchasing Creative Suite 3 for Mac, but before I do so, I"d love to know whether there are issues - and whether I wold be better off waiting till updates for Creative Suite 3 arrives before purchasing it.

Hows the iLife '08 and iWork '08 applications like on Leopard?
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Good question; right now I'm looking at purchasing Creative Suite 3 for Mac, but before I do so, I"d love to know whether there are issues - and whether I wold be better off waiting till updates for Creative Suite 3 arrives before purchasing it.

Hows the iLife '08 and iWork '08 applications like on Leopard?

CS3 runs great on 10.4, so upgrading shouldn't be a problem. I am waiting to buy the new OS until I hear every things ok. iLife and iWork do not come with the new release, they are a separate purchase. I'm kind of glad they did that because I really don't use them any way, I use the pro apps.
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post #20 of 172
The install DVD isn't recognizing my boot partition (unchanged from factory) on my MBP. Anyone else see something similar?

Disk Utility on the DVD recognizes the hard drive, and says that it is GUID partitioned, but doesn't display any of the partitions set up on that drive.

I booted back into Tiger and verified the disk with Tiger's Disk Utility and everything came back roses. I unplugged all my peripherals and nothing, no volume available for Leopard to install to. The only way to get back into Tiger is to restart while holding down the mouse button to eject the DVD.

I may have to pull out the Tiger DVD to run fsck again (I wasn't planning on archiving or erasing, just a straight upgrade.

The leopard Profiler shows my harddrive, as does disk utility, just no partitions...

UPDATE... oddly enough, i ran fsck_hfs on it (from the Leopard DVD) and it was giving me some worrisome errors, but then out of the blue it showed up as a destination volume in the installer. Off to the races.
post #21 of 172
I did an archive and install on a MBP C2D 2.16Ghz, ATI X1600, 2GB Ram.

A split second after launching the install it occurred to me: Crap, all my preferences, Application Support, Apps, etc will be left behind, and I'll have to manually, tediously copy them over...

To my surprise, EVERYTHING was automagically copied over. The Previous System folder was empty, sans a few sub-folders. My preferences remained intact, from network wireless keys, to disabling the F'ing useless CAPS LOCK KEY.

Everything works great, except Little Snitch, HTTPmail.bundle, Fan Control preference pane. The system is as fast as before, but yet does so much more. Ram usage is surprisingly frugal!

Initial Spotlight indexing had me freaked, as my machine was slow on first reboot. I was like, oh heck. But in spite of the excellent file icon generation, quick look, stacks, etc, it's 'teh snappy'! I may be tripping but Dashboard seems marginally faster at loading widgets, too.

This OS is not one to miss. Most of the changes are under the hood, but very meaningful in day to day use.

Oh and: They FTFF!!!! FTP... wait for it... WORKS!!! And it's fast and doesn't lock up the Finder!! WTF? Is this a Mac?!!

edit: Oh, and, Subversion (svn) seems to be part of the default install. Great! Terminal.app is perfect. Only snag was I had to edit /etc/bashrc to include 'source ~/.bashrc' so my local setting would take effect.

This is the best .0 release of OS X ever. It feels like a .3
post #22 of 172
Installed on iMac core duo 1GB ram - took just under 2 hours and all seems great except airport. After rebooting I have to manually connect to my wireless network..... Tried removing wep password/changing ssid/changing channel but still not playing the game.

anyone else having this prob?
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post #23 of 172
Thanks for the tip for quick look.

After playing with Leopard for a few hours I have to say I'm pretty optimistic.

Spaces is now my favourite function. Sometimes it's a bit choppy though, at times it's easy to forget I'm running on 2GB of RAM. It is early days though.

Cover flow is flashy, but not that great. I've switched back to thumbnail view. And I'm loving the path bar on finder, very useful. Did they have it in Tiger?

Front Row is alright... it's just like the Apple TV version. I kinda miss the old version though. The music stops playing once you exit that part of Front Row which is a bummer. I liked the way playback was seamless between Front Row and the Desktop.

The only real downside is that my wireless printer doesn't seem to get on with Leopard... I can't get it to work! I hope Apple updates as soon as. Overall though, Leopard is really good and already has a few features I simply can't live without (the primary ones being stacks and spaces).
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post #24 of 172
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Originally Posted by 1337_5L4Xx0R View Post

This is the best .0 release of OS X ever. It feels like a .3

good to hear that!

Nov '09 | iMac 21.5" C2D 3.06 Ghz | Intel 330 240GB SSD | ATI

Sep '12| Toshiba 14" 1366 x 768! | i5 3rd Gen 6GB| Intel x25-m 120GB SSD | Win 7|  Viewsonic VX2255wmb 22" LCD
iPhone 4S| iPad 2 wifi

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Sep '12| Toshiba 14" 1366 x 768! | i5 3rd Gen 6GB| Intel x25-m 120GB SSD | Win 7|  Viewsonic VX2255wmb 22" LCD
iPhone 4S| iPad 2 wifi

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post #25 of 172
Well I have to say I am happen with the new CAT... So far the only problem I have found is backup program from .mac does not seem to work correctly anymore but I am still looking for a work around.

The other thing I am not sure I like is that the Airport Disk Drives don't auto connect and show up on the desk top.
post #26 of 172
CS3 programs all work, but need a good preference cleaning overhaul.

Basically delete all those adobe stuff in the preferences.

There have been a wide range of weird stuff with CS3, most usually crash on startup/quit, due to perfs. (Me included)

Aple Pro stuff do not work per upgrade I believe, either needs a reinstall, or plugin fixing. Which means just some hassle if you're unlucky.

It's pretty safe so far, no major blow ups with most things.
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Well I have to say I am happen with the new CAT... So far the only problem I have found is backup program from .mac does not seem to work correctly anymore but I am still looking for a work around.

The other thing I am not sure I like is that the Airport Disk Drives don't auto connect and show up on the desk top.

Check software update, there's an update for Backup available.
post #28 of 172
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Anny news on CS3?

Working fine or not?

Works great, I ran it on the beta's as well with no issues. I co-own a graphix, print, & web company so yeah it has been put through it's tests.
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post #29 of 172
Everything went very smoothly. Took about 35min on my 4GB RAM 160@7200RPM MacBook Pro.

The only thing I'm disappointed with is Photo Booth. When using a background image there is a ton of lag and also it cuts out my face A LOT! My dark brown hair isn't recognized and becomes one with the background, perhaps I'm not in a bright enough area.
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post #30 of 172
1.24 G4

I had to re-pair my wireless keyboard and mouse. It's a good thing I still had the old wired versions. Other than that it all went perfect.
post #31 of 172
Disk failed to verify inital checking right before installing. Twice.

[Edit] Finally verified the third time through. CS3 works just dandy, a little snappier even. Haven't tried any of Final Cut Studio yet.


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2GB Ram
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1x100GB, 1x1TB
post #32 of 172
I just installed using the basic install. Before installing I unplugged all external devices, and updated my firmware to 1.2.

I had to verify my disks manually through the disk utility during installation (easy) for it to recognize my drives properly (because of my 2 boot camp partitions). Once I did that it took about 30 minutes max to install.

Everything appears to be working really well, the dock actually looks much better in person, spaces is really cool and the new UI all together is a step in the right direction I believe. I can't get over how much better the brushed metal is.

A couple dislikes are the blue dots below the applications telling you which ones are open, they were supposed to be easier to see but I think they're a little harder to see, at first I didn't see them at all but now that I know what to look for they're a little better. Also I think the brighter, more washed out colors of the red, yellow and green buttons and the top left of windows doesn't look as good, but it might just take some getting used to. The semi-transparent menu bar at the top is a little distracting, I love the smooth corners and transparency of the drop-down's of it.

Final Cut Pro 6, Motion 3 and Photoshop CS3 all work perfectly and even seem a little bit faster. (I assume all other pro apps work.

My computer specs are:
Mac Pro
Octo-core 3GHz
4GB Ram
Ati x1900 XT 512MB
1x 250GB, 2x 500GB
2x Superdrives
Razer Pro 1.6 Mouse
Samsung 20" 2ms

I will be happy to check the status of any other apps (I have a ton) including pro apps and iWork '08 apps.

No complaints so far.

Edit: When I had tiger it often took 20+ seconds to find something (I was unsure whether it was just the normal speed or if there was an indexing problem) but on Leopard it finishes searching in about 3 seconds.
post #33 of 172
Well after the upgrade PARALLELS 3.0 is no longer working on my 24" iMac it crashes the iMac when you try and start it up.
post #34 of 172
everything seems to be working fine...except my mouse and keyboard, which are plugged into an iogear KVM DVI switch. I have to unplug and replug it in to get those working after reboot.

the rest looks good. very consistent UI. pr0n is teh snappier.
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post #35 of 172
-- Blew away my Airport Disk Utility completely
-- Notes is a trivial exercise that is hardly worth using and periodically crashes mail when trying to create folders and failure to sync with iPhone makes it nearly worthless
-- To-dos fail to work as advertised and is another tepid implementation not even up to the level of five-year old MS Outlook
-- If Time Machine is as poorly implemented and unusable as these features then this upgrade is not worth the time. Of course, I can't test it until I buy another disk since it can't back up to my Airport disk...

With the exception of eye candy, I'm hard-pressed to understand the value of this release. Maybe it will fix the 'sleep' hangs I have had three times this week.

I'm a Mac/iPhone newbie after 15 years on Windows. I generally prefer the Mac user experience but the functionality of the tools used by professionals (calendaring, task management, email) is simply early-2000's technology. The PR on Leopard implied some of those limitations might be addressed in this release. Nope. Not bad enough enough to force a retreat to Windows but disappointing after all the hype.

Save your money and time.
post #36 of 172
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Originally Posted by Gizmo-xl View Post

Well after the upgrade PARALLELS 3.0 is no longer working on my 24" iMac it crashes the iMac when you try and start it up.

that's weird man, Parallels 3.0 (Build 5160) works perfectly on my system after the update (macbook pro 15")
post #37 of 172
Geez, garyb, that sucks Leopard's been a pain for you. What mac do you have? 3 sleep hangs a week? Ouch.

How do To Dos fail to work?

Outlook is certainly more business oriented than Mail.app, for sure.
post #38 of 172
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Well, so far i haven't herd of one problem EXCEPT the people that have installed from torrents. They are having serious issues. If anyone is thinking about downloading it, I would highly suggest not to, especially if your work depends on your computer like me. They are getting bad driver errors, boot camp doesn't work right, some people are getting a blue screen, the OS will lock-up out of no where and they have to do a hard restart, and so many more problems. Apple doesn't try to break your pocket with OS releases, I am buying a copy as soon as I hear that everything runs fine, including: All Adobe software (PS, Illustrator, InDesign, Flash, Dreamweaver, After Effects) with all my plug-ins, Cinema 4D, Cubase 4, Motion Tracker, Live 6, Reason 3, OnTheJob (even though it's not that big of a deal, I still use it every day), AND all of my VSTi's and audio plug-ins. I can't upgrade until it's all been confirmed. I use 98% of what's on my computer everyday, going without one application is unacceptable.

To the morons stealing Leopard... they should get a bricked Mac.

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post #39 of 172
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Anny news on CS3?

Working fine or not?

I have no Leopard experiences to share, but if you are a serious working designer you should be very cautious about installing the "latest and greatest" upgrades. I wait for several months at a minimum for all the bugs to shake out. Don't succumb to your impulse to upgrade immediately!

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post #40 of 172
This thing breaks unsanity haxies (per their website) and completely shot, cleaned, made sausage, digested, and excreted my keychain(s). Always have a backup and hard copy of these things.

Little snitch is working fine... along with typeit4me, microsoft mouse, and menumeters. Adobe apps are not affected in any way I can tell, and I used Photoshop and DW for 4 hours tonight...

I miss WindowShadeX. That is a great little app.
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