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I like the new terminal.app - tabs are great - but one thing is driving me crazy. If I have a text string selected, and then change focus to another application and back, the string is no longer selected. I do a lot of repetitive commands and it used to be so easy to just jump back to the terminal and do command-c command-v without even looking. Now I have to reselect the text every time. Does this qualify as a bug? Seems like other programs retain text selections.

Sounds like a bug to me.

I'm surprised at how many little bugs there are. I know there are not as many developers as there are consumers, but still you would think a lot of these things would be caught, if people were using the developer builds for ordinary use...

Well, off to the bug report form...
post #122 of 172
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I am a fairly new Mac user so I have never done this before. I upgraded via DVD on Saturday. All went well until my iMac rebooted. It then froze at the blue screen just before the login window. I let it stay there for about an hour, then decided I had had enough. I called Apple, and they walked me through the following process:

Turn machine off - worked
Hold down "C" and turn machine on - worked
Set install preferences (archive and install) - worked
Continue through prompts to install - worked

Machine came online and all seem well. All 3 user accounts were still there with their preferences, desktop images, icons, shortcuts, email setting, messages etc... When I was on the phone with Apple, the tech support person (who was VERY difficult to understand) said I would need to do a recovery on my archived system settings. Do I need to do this? None of the 3 users of the machine, including myself have experienced any problems or missing data.

Can any of you mac experts please offer some guidance? Can I delete the archive, do I need to perform some kind of restore, should I do anything?

Thank a bunch!

Ummm.... from what I've read on these forums, I guess Leopard offers an option for restoring archived settings during the install. So my guess is that you clicked yes to that without even realizing it and that is why all your settings are restored already.

I would hang on to the Archive folder for a few months, just in case, especially if you have lots of free space. If you don't notice anything missing, by all means delete it.

(Did you check if all your applications are there, even the ones you installed yourself before upgrading?)
post #123 of 172
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Originally Posted by meelash View Post

Ummm.... from what I've read on these forums, I guess Leopard offers an option for restoring archived settings during the install. So my guess is that you clicked yes to that without even realizing it and that is why all your settings are restored already.

I would hang on to the Archive folder for a few months, just in case, especially if you have lots of free space. If you don't notice anything missing, by all means delete it.

(Did you check if all your applications are there, even the ones you installed yourself before upgrading?)

Yup, everything is there and working fine. I just wasn't sure what if anything, I should do.

Thanks.
post #124 of 172
1. Bluetooth didn't work until I removed everything attached to the computer--printer, external drive, scanner etc

2.Parallels works well, but Windows won't shut down--reinstalled 2x and reinstalled tools 4x --may be working now.

3. When backup drive is working or is attached ( Firewire Iomega) machine locks up--

Disconnecting external drive, everything works fine.

Otherwise---I feel like an idiot for installing Leopard---a real pain in the ass.
post #125 of 172
Got my Leopard DVD last evening from Amazon and did an Archive & Install. It took about 35 minutes with no drama. The new look is going to take some adjusting to... Spaces is wonderful, Safari seem much faster. I dont want to jinx this thing, but everything has gone smoothly.
post #126 of 172
on 2.33ghz mbp 17"

i had issues at first when the os x installer could not see my startup disk. i left the 'select destination drive' window hang there for about two minutes and it popped up. it made me jump, but the rest of the install was a breeze
post #127 of 172
This question is about new Macs that don't come with Leopard pre-installed, but instead have the "Drop in DVD".

If you are transfering your data from a previous Mac (running Tiger) to the new Mac via firewire, and also want to upgrade to Leopard, what should you do first. First transfer the old Mac to new, then use the Drop-in DVD to upgrade to Leopard? Or first use the Drop-in DVD to upgrade, and then transfer your accounts?

Does the Drop-in DVD even allow an 'Archive and Install' option? Or does it just format the machine for a clean-slate Leopard?
post #128 of 172
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WAIT! No classic????

Really? Yippee! Thank Dog that Apple finally cleaned out all the cruft needed to support Classic. Now I'm starting to look forward to Leopard despite Resolution Independence not being ready.
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post #129 of 172
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Originally Posted by thagomizer View Post

This question is about new Macs that don't come with Leopard pre-installed, but instead have the "Drop in DVD".

If you are transfering your data from a previous Mac (running Tiger) to the new Mac via firewire, and also want to upgrade to Leopard, what should you do first. First transfer the old Mac to new, then use the Drop-in DVD to upgrade to Leopard? Or first use the Drop-in DVD to upgrade, and then transfer your accounts?

Does the Drop-in DVD even allow an 'Archive and Install' option? Or does it just format the machine for a clean-slate Leopard?

1. Connect the two Macs with a firewire cable
2. Restart the old Mac holding down the "T" key to enter target disk mode.
3. Pop the Leopard DVD into the new Mac
4. Boot the new Mac from the CD (using the option in the CD or holding the C key during startup)
5. Select to transfer the data/settings from the old Mac when prompted

Yes, the DVD is an upgrade disc that allows all three types of upgrade: clean install, upgrade, or archive and install.

Good luck, and enjoy Leopard!
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post #130 of 172
What is Archive and install? I am not to familiar with all this new terminology. When I did my system I just did the Upgrade and it worked fine even my mbox 2 pro box played sound
post #131 of 172
Archive & Install copies your previous installation to a folder. Mine ended up being 16GB.
post #132 of 172
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Archive & Install copies your previous installation to a folder. Mine ended up being 16GB.

where can I find the folder and is it ok to drag it to the trash?
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post #133 of 172
Is anyone else having problems connecting back to their wireless router after waking from sleep?
Why do I need to manualy connect it each time. Also my keychain doesn't seem to be holding any passwords.
post #134 of 172
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Originally Posted by crentist View Post

1. Connect the two Macs with a firewire cable
2. Restart the old Mac holding down the "T" key to enter target disk mode.
3. Pop the Leopard DVD into the new Mac
4. Boot the new Mac from the CD (using the option in the CD or holding the C key during startup)
5. Select to transfer the data/settings from the old Mac when prompted

Yes, the DVD is an upgrade disc that allows all three types of upgrade: clean install, upgrade, or archive and install.

Good luck, and enjoy Leopard!

Sweet! That saves a step... so you can upgrade and transfer at the same time. Thanks!
post #135 of 172
Will Classic run on 10.5 on G4 machines?

My wife uses a Mac Mini and has a favorite game that's only available on Classic and the developer has no plans to port it to X. I also use a Classic calendar program on my TiBook 867. I'm trying to decide if a family pack is worth it, especially in Classic won't run on 10.5.
post #136 of 172
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Anny news on CS3?

Working fine or not?

It's working fine for me--I wish Parallels and my Iomega back up drive would work as well.
post #137 of 172
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Will Classic run on 10.5 on G4 machines?

My wife uses a Mac Mini and has a favorite game that's only available on Classic and the developer has no plans to port it to X. I also use a Classic calendar program on my TiBook 867. I'm trying to decide if a family pack is worth it, especially in Classic won't run on 10.5.

Classic won't run on any Leopard volume. Leopard will run on G4 Macs with at least an 867MHz CPU (or accelerator, I've found).

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post #138 of 172
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where can I find the folder and is it ok to drag it to the trash?

Mine is "Previous Systems". I'm guessing it would be OK to delete, but you may want to back it up to an external hard drive.
post #139 of 172
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Originally Posted by Galley View Post

Mine is "Previous Systems". I'm guessing it would be OK to delete, but you may want to back it up to an external hard drive.

The Previous Systems folder is where the OS places the old System folder contents when you perform an Archive & Install, and is there for you to dig out anything you may need after the upgrade for your apps to work on the new OS.

Once you're sure all your apps are working OK, it's safe to delete it. The new OS ignores it, so it's just wasting gigabytes of your available storage.

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post #140 of 172
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Originally Posted by StuBeck View Post

Vista Home Premium cost me 80 bucks. Leopard is going to cost me 129.

Vista ultimte in NZ would set me back NZ$800, Lepoard, NZ$199 incl gst.
post #141 of 172
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Originally Posted by dontlookleft View Post

anyone experience the random crashing/forced hard restart as complained about in 10.4.11?

i really want to know if this problem has gone away with 10.5.

thanks.

How can people complain about 10.4.11 - it hasn't been released yet.
post #142 of 172
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Originally Posted by kaiwai View Post

Vista ultimte in NZ would set me back NZ$800, Lepoard, NZ$199 incl gst.

Leopard is also only $69 from an authorized university computer store/bookstore with your validated student ID. The point is that Vista Home Premium is not $80 retail. There are always ways to game the system.

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post #143 of 172
Well, I upgraded today. I'm up and running now and I really like the OS. I like the dock, spaces, stacks, the new mail, etc.

I did have some issues at first, and I'm not sure why. When I first got my screen up (I did an upgrade install), Software Update did some updating, and I restarted. When the system came back up, everything was REALLY slow. I got the spinning ball quite a bit. I also clicked on a stack the first time (downloads) and the machine froze with the beachball (MBP 2.33). I've been having some HDD issues, but it wasn't making any unusual noises, so I did a forced shutdown.

I restarted and then ran a permissions repair, which took a long time and fixed something in the core system. Things were still slow and apps were hanging for a long while, etc. So I started playing with some settings, loading things into ram, etc. Eventually things sped up for me and now it seems back to normal and faster than before.

In hindsight I believe it may have been spotlight indexing that was the culprit. No red flags as of now.

Any other similar experiences?
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post #144 of 172
I did a clean install on my iMac and my MacBook. I agreed with most of the good things people are saying about Leopard (e.g., super-fast Spotlight, better networking, QuickLook). Some problems though that made me downgrade back to Tiger (at least for now), i.e.:

1. FolderShare was not syncing between my iMac and my MacBookeither new files added or existing ones editedat least sometimes, e.g., yesterday, even when both were online and even after several hours had elapsed.

2. RSS feeds in Mail: sometimes they disappear from Mail entirely, only to reappear by themselves later after a reboot (or not). When they are there, they dont seem to update properly, or old content that Ive already deleted reappears. Is this caused by .Mac syncing perhaps?

3. The computer sometimes freezes after the display goes to sleep and I have to hard-reboot it.

4. I cant access the airport base station from Airport Utility to make configuration changes, either from a computer with an Ethernet connection to it (i.e., the iMac), or from a computer with an airport connection to it (i.e., the MacBook).

5. Printing from a Windows Vista computer to my Canon MP830 connected to the iMac: black text is extremely faded; not so from other Macs and not so when I was running Tiger.

6. Cant successfully complete a Bluetooth file transfer from my Nokia phone.

Together these bugs were enough to make me want Tiger back, which works perfectly. So I think I'm gonna wait until they release a significant Leopard update or two before I try again...
post #145 of 172
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Originally Posted by Dave Marsh View Post

Leopard is also only $69 from an authorized university computer store/bookstore with your validated student ID. The point is that Vista Home Premium is not $80 retail. There are always ways to game the system.

Yes, but assuming one wants to be above board and 100% 'legal'. With that being said, NZ$199 for Leopard vs. NZ$800 for Vista Ultimate - Leopard comes across as a bloody good deal.
post #146 of 172
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I did a clean install on my iMac and my MacBook. I agreed with most of the good things people are saying about Leopard (e.g., super-fast Spotlight, better networking, QuickLook). Some problems though that made me downgrade back to Tiger (at least for now), i.e.:

1. FolderShare was not syncing between my iMac and my MacBookeither new files added or existing ones editedat least sometimes, e.g., yesterday, even when both were online and even after several hours had elapsed.

2. RSS feeds in Mail: sometimes they disappear from Mail entirely, only to reappear by themselves later after a reboot (or not). When they are there, they dont seem to update properly, or old content that Ive already deleted reappears. Is this caused by .Mac syncing perhaps?

3. The computer sometimes freezes after the display goes to sleep and I have to hard-reboot it.

4. I cant access the airport base station from Airport Utility to make configuration changes, either from a computer with an Ethernet connection to it (i.e., the iMac), or from a computer with an airport connection to it (i.e., the MacBook).

5. Printing from a Windows Vista computer to my Canon MP830 connected to the iMac: black text is extremely faded; not so from other Macs and not so when I was running Tiger.

6. Cant successfully complete a Bluetooth file transfer from my Nokia phone.

Together these bugs were enough to make me want Tiger back, which works perfectly. So I think I'm gonna wait until they release a significant Leopard update or two before I try again...

Clean install, upgrade or 'archive and install'?

All very well foaming out the mouth, but without context, it looks like a rant more than anything else.
post #147 of 172
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Clean install, upgrade or 'archive and install'?

All very well foaming out the mouth, but without context, it looks like a rant more than anything else.

I said it was a clean install (first sentence). Surely nobody could misconstrue what I wrote as a "rant", let alone "foaming at the mouth." I simply wrote that I agreed with many of the good things others had said about Leopard, then went on to list several problems that are preventing me from using Leopard for now. I won't say that I'm immune from ranting, but that sure wasn't one. Others who are contemplating upgrading and have a similar configuration to mine may find my experience of interest, which is the main reason why I decided to contribute to this discussion.
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4. I can’t access the airport base station from Airport Utility to make configuration changes, either from a computer with an Ethernet connection to it (i.e., the iMac), or from a computer with an airport connection to it (i.e., the MacBook).

I'm having no problems accessing my AirPort Express with AirPort Utility on my PowerBook G4, nor from any of my other wired Macs at home. All have been upgraded to Leopard.

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post #149 of 172
Did upgrade and install. First restart seemed to be going OK until a keychain problem. Managed to download the keychain update and restart.
Blue screen of death. Login as diff user. "Finder not responding".
Can't restart off startup disk or backup drive.
NO weird apps installed. Can only see the dock, unless I find something in Spotlight.
Gonna try open it up and DISCONNECT the drive with 10.5
post #150 of 172
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Did upgrade and install.

Anyone upgrading from one OS to the next would be well advised to backup their hard drive using SuperDuper! so they have a fallback bootable drive.

For my part, after doing this, I restarted from the Leopard DVD, selected ERASE and install, and proceeded cleanly with the installation. After rebooting from the clean Leopard install, I selected the MIGRATE user accounts/apps/settings option from my Tiger backup volume. That also went cleanly.

For those who don't have an external Firewire drive suitable for doing a backup, or a second hard drive in their tower, it's important to run Disk Utility to Repair Permissions, then reboot from the Leopard DVD and run Disk Utility again from the Menu bar to Repair Disk to assure the directory structure isn't damaged. If you own DiskWarrior, I'd also use that to rebuild/optimize the directory structure before installing Leopard.

The point is that your Tiger installation must be pristine, as must be the directory structure on your hard drive, before you allow the Leopard DVD to begin selectively replacing key System components with the Upgrade option. If it's not, files will be overwritten that shouldn't be because they're not where the directory reports them to be. At that point your System is hosed.

You could try booting again from the Leopard DVD, starting up Disk Utility and letting it attempt a Repair Disk, and then running an Archive & Install option instead to get Leopard going. That may work, if the disk corruption isn't too severe.

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post #151 of 172
An interesting observation...the Leopard menu bar is solid and not transparent on my Power Mac G4 933MHz with 768MB of RAM. For an almost 6-year-old computer, Leopard runs pretty well. It was running 10.3.9 previously, and I decided to do an erase and install after backing up important files to another drive.
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post #152 of 172
Both of the two machines I've upgraded have lost wired networking. they will not pull an IP address off of the router. Any ideas? I'm running Leopard on a 1.9 G5 iMac and a 1.8 CoreDuo MacBook.
post #153 of 172
I installed Leopard last weekend on my Power PC G4 1.25 Ghz with 768Mb memory, primarily for the Time Machine function (which I love). Install went flawlessly, (back-up? who me? I don't need no stinking backup!, but I had a problem with iTunes and video replays in that they stuttered, were painfully slow etc. In fact the system was slower by an order of magnitude. I Went to the local Apple store yesterday and was told that although the operating system claims the minimum system is the G4 8xx and 512 Mb of memory, that I really needed an Intel Processor and at least a GB of memory. I was wildly disappointed and accused Apple of the same bait and switch tactics of Bill Gates! We thought maybe more memory (2GB) would maybe solve the problem, but the young man was not certain. I came home a little depressed and jumped into research. I found a few others with the same issues. However, I did skip a step and as was suggested by one user I reinstalled the system, but this time I went through the Disk Verify process. I figured that I had cleaned up the disk, I did not zero it, and I ran disk Util and Disk Warrior to solve any remaining hidden issues. Alas, that is not sufficient. When I ran the install again without skipping the disk verify, it took three times as long to install, but my system is faster than Tiger (or at least seems to be) audio and video are great, an the graphics on the GForce Nvidia card are terrific.

I went back to the Apple store today and filled them in on this. None of them had heard that this was and issue, but they all wrote it down to be passed along in the future to people upgrading to Leopard. Hope this is helpful to others.
post #154 of 172
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An interesting observation...the Leopard menu bar is solid and not transparent on my Power Mac G4 933MHz with 768MB of RAM. For an almost 6-year-old computer, Leopard runs pretty well. It was running 10.3.9 previously, and I decided to do an erase and install after backing up important files to another drive.

Same here. I think that is just the way it is?
post #155 of 172
I installed Leopard using the archive and install method and am wondering if it's OK
to delete the left-over Classic Folders. I still have the Classic Applications and Classic System Folder on my start-up drive. Thanks
post #156 of 172
Running great on two of my machines so far.

1st machine is a 24" iMac that was released at in January. Second machine is a Sawtooth G4 (1999) that has numerous upgrades including an ATI 9800, 1.4Ghz and 300w PSU, 2GB, USB II / Firewire card, a 111 Pioneer Superdrive and all HDD's running at 7200rpm @ 16mb cache. The only reason I mention these upgrades is that I'm sure it would be choking (with the old 450Mhz) without some of them. It seems to be very stable and it also appears snappier than Tiger.

The GUI problems don't bother me so far either. The only problems I had were getting all my drives read and mounted. They consist of 3 internal (2 set to Master and 1 set to slave) and three external, 2 usb and 1 Firewire. I can't recall what these were set to as far as the jumpers, but after fiddling with them all day, Saturday, they're running great now.

Also, I installed a new HDD as my Leo drive, so it was a fresh install. As much as a pain it was to migrate everything over manually and do all fresh application installs I'm sure that that also played a large part in it running so clean.

The only thing that bugs me is not being able to run DU as it barber poles for eternity, but I'm sure an update will remedy this.

My favorite feature so far has got to be Time Machine.

Also, no video problems what-so-ever any where, very smooth.

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post #157 of 172
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I installed Leopard using the archive and install method and am wondering if it's OK
to delete the left-over Classic Folders. I still have the Classic Applications and Classic System Folder on my start-up drive. Thanks

Leopard doesn't support Classic. If you plan to boot up from another partition running Tiger, or earlier, on this Mac and want to run Classic, keep them. Otherwise, they're history. You could also copy them off to a CD or another hard drive, if you think you'll be using Classic on another computer.

Don't forget to move the contents of the Documents folder at the root level of your hard drive to your MacOS X user Documents folder, and delete the Documents folder at the root. That Documents folder was only used by Classic.

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post #158 of 172
Thanks Dave,

I backed up my old 10.3.9 to an external drive with SuperDuper, so I should still have Classic if I want it. Really only for Adobe's Streamline.

It looks like the Documents folder at the root level is empty and maybe always has been.

Thanks again
post #159 of 172
Hi all,

I've got a Mac mini C2D 1.83Ghz with 1Gb mem.
On saturday I received three things:
The Leopard Upgrade Disc
2GB Corsair Mac Memory
and a USB external HD enclosure (I put a 160GB sata HD in there)

So I got the HD hooked up, and I partitioned it into two (1st part is 100GB and 2nd is 60GB).
Of course I had Tiger already on the mini, so I used Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the enter disc over to the 60GB partition and then erased the original 80GB drive in the mini.
And so I had nothing on the mini but was booting into Tiger just fine through my external USB drive.

After that, I took the Mini apart and put the new Memory in, turned it back on and it worked perfectly (I'll add some pics later).
The extra gig of memory really sped things up

So after the hardware upgrades it was time for the OS upgrade
I wanted to install leopard fresh onto the mini's internal HD, but I knew that the Leopard disc was going to look for a previous OS, so I had the External HD on when I put in the disc.
So I popped in the Leopard disc pressing C (so it would boot from the disc), it found it without a hitch, then the first thing it did was look for a previous OS, and of course it found it on the external HD.
After that, I had it migrate all of my Tiger stuff over to the new OS, then it took about 40min. to install Leopard.
Then after it was installed I ran Disc Utility and checked the disc's and all that (fixing a couple of things).
And I noticed that I was getting the spinning beach ball every once in a while, but it didn't bother me and I just kept checking out the new OS. So I went to check the new Spotlight, and it said it was Indexing the Drives, so I let it finish and then everything sped up a ton, no spinning beach balls!
Then I did a software update, no problems there.
I checked all of my programs (meaning, opening them to make sure they work), and everything but Photoshop 7.0 worked. I would get an error saying it isn't able to open. So I did a quick google search and found out that Photoshop 7.0 doesn't support Leopard.
Well no biggy, I'll just have to use it in windows XP.
So on Sunday my goal was to install XP using Bootcamp.
so I installed it, and it loaded up fine, but then I tried to install SP2 but it wouldn't and it would give me an error that said I needed 4 more megabites of free space or something. But I had 20GB's of free space, so it didn't make any sense to me.
So I did another google search and found that I needed to have a Windows XP SP2 Install disc to do it, I can't install XP SP1 and then upgrade to SP2 (which I tried to do).
So I erased the windows xp partition bootcamp had made and so windows and all that were gone of the disc. I'm going to be purchasing an XP SP2 install disc soon, so it's no big deal that I couldn't install windows on sunday.
But then I noticed that now, when I start the Mac mini up, after I get the grey apple sign I don't get the aqua loading bar which says that it's loading the OS, I just get a light blue screen then the page with the accounts I can log into.

Thats the only problem I've run into so far.
Any Ideas why this is happening?

Thanks!
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I wanted to install leopard fresh onto the mini's internal HD, but I knew that the Leopard disc was going to look for a previous OS, so I had the External HD on when I put in the disc.

Do you always need a previous install ? I want to install Leopard on a new internal drive, do I really need to go trough all this external-HD-with-an-earlier-OS mumbo-jumbo ?
So when you buy Leopard, it is essentially an upgrade (even if it contains the full OS on the DVD) ? ...
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