Leopard Upgrade Experience - Page 3

Well you're not the first to have it, I had it in one of my other systems. But isn't as persistent as yours.

Make another user account, and try to run photoshop on that. if it still does it, then it's not a pref problem, and you might need to weed some stuff out :/

Canon i9900 printer issue resolved. Even though Apple claims they had the printer's driver. I downloaded the latest from canon and I can now see the printer

I think people are having about the same problems as they had with Vista. Its just there are so many fewer people it doesn't seem as bad.


I own a Mac, what are you talking about? I was simply stating the price difference isn't as bad as that person was saying. As it is I only run Vista to play games, and being in grad school I haven't had time to do that in months!


I personally didn't have any of those problems when I installed Vista on my MBP. I haven't upgraded to Leopard so I can't compare the upgrade process though.

Did a standard upgrade and so far so good. Will repot in in the AM.

I have two Intel Macs.

On the Mac Mini I did the straight Leopard upgrade as this machine is only 5 days old, and it hung up after installation. I had to do a forced shutdown (I gave it 30 minutes to restart on it's own), but afterwards it started up as normal and everything seems to be OK.

On my MacBook I did the archive and install, that method worked exactly as it should... no problems.

From everything I'm reading online from other users experience's at several different forums, definitely do an archive and install.

The first boot takes a long time. That's why they said go get a cup of coffee. I went for a half hour walk and when I came back there was a blank screen. I just left it alone and it eventually booted up normally.

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Well I have try everything other than installing the OS from scratch instead of just upgrading.

Does the Leopard installer have an option to erase the disk and install the OS from scratch? I know that sounds painful, but I have organize backups of everything so I can do this without much pain (other than time consume)

I probably will wait until Monday, since I am planning to call tech support, just in case there is a simple easy way out of my little problem.. \

archive install, is the thing you're looking for.

But before you do that, you'll want to go through the motions checklist first, and if you do call support, you tell them you've done it in sucession.

1: Perf deletion.
2: Disk Utlity, both permissions and disk
3: reinstallation of CS3, first uninstalling it first completely
4: Hold shift key and boot into safe mode, try running CS3 (?)
5: Use adobe updater and update to CS3 latest.

5:have you installed any other beta builds of Leopard before on that computer? This was also a problem with older builds of leopard, and had to do with a system knext file.

Great info Kuku! I will definately follow the steps.

Question: what do you mean by "Disk Utlity, both permissions and disk"?

Oh BTW, No I did not ran beta builds of Leopard, but did ran public beta of Photoshop CS3.

Thanks again

Installed Leopard this afternoon on my 12 inch PowerBook G4 1 Ghz, 1.25 GB Ram, 60 GB HD.

Did a zero all data format and install. Backed-up using CCC 3 to my iPod, Migration Assistant brought everything over no problem.

I have purchased every release of OS X since it was unleashed, and Leopard is considerably faster than Tiger and everything before it. Especially after Spotlight finishes indexing. Still getting used to things, but spaces is pretty cool, and I kinda like stacks, too.

Overall, I am impressed.

Clean Install.

I've run into the following issues:

1) Flip4Mac will not allow you to register with a clean install unless you use the Flip4Mac Beta. Problem with a missing eSellerate engine.
2) Pixen 3.0 does not work—at all. You must use 3.1b.
3) A lot of icons for 3rd party apps are low resolution in Coverflow view.
4) Repair Permissions (Disk Utility) takes FOREVER (5 to 20 minutes, depending on system), and returns an error about ARDagent.app.
5) Since AIImageViewWithImagePicker is disabled (or non-existent) on 10.5, applications which used it (ie. Adium), now have that functionality disabled.
6) You must make SURE that you tell Time Machine to omit the directory for a VM using VMWare Fusion and Windows Vista. If you have a Windows Vista VM running while Time Machine attempts to backup, it will freeze both the virtual machine and the backup procedure, and may corrupt your entire VM.
7) Verify Disk (Disk Utility) also takes forever.
8) For some reason, holding down "C" at startup to boot do a CD does NOT work with an Intel Core Duo iMac (Gen. 1) and the new wired Apple Keyboard.

#4 seems to be a widespread issue (not sure I'm ready to call it a "problem"). I believe everyone who has done the Apple Remote Desktop update via Software Update is affected. The Apple Discussion Forums are littered with people asking about the issue.

#8 is particularly perplexing to me.

Everyone who has done the Apple Remote Desktop Client v3.2.1 update via Software Update post-Leopard install, please run a Repair Permissions through Disk Utility and tell me if you receive an error. Be aware that Repair Permissions seems to take forever. It may seem frozen. It is not. It can take up to 20 minutes.

Did a simple upgrade on both my iMac (core duo, 2 Ghz 20 inch 2GB) and my macbook (core2 duo, 2Ghz, 2 GB). Both went perfect. No problems to report and all leopard features work smooth as butter.

Overall, both computers seem a bit more speedy and responsive after the update. Quite an achievement considering everything they added!

Upgrade was great, so seamless and simple. Took a little longer than I expect (about an hour) on my MacBook Pro and on the new family iMac. So far Leopard seems very stable and I havn't experienced any problems.

Upgrade was flawless on a new Aluminium 20" iMac via Archive System Folder and install.

Have only noticed one bug; the itunes album art screensaver displays all the covers with a deep purple tinge... looks very odd! But if thats the worst bug i can find then i'm very happy!

Yes, I get a can't repair a certain file error on my MBP.

I installed on a 12" 867 MHz G4 with 640 MB of RAM. Everything seems to be running quite well, in spite of being on the lower end of things. In fact, everything runs at least as fast and in some cases faster than in Tiger.

A few things I noted during install:

1. I didn't see any choices for the installation. No Upgrade vs. Archive and Install, etc.? I thought that was weird. It seems like it just did an upgrade without asking.

2. Anyway, my keychains, preferences, etc. seem to be mostly intact. I had to reinstall my printers and when connecting to my wireless network put in the password again even though I opened keychain and the old keychain item was still there.

3. The registration and welcome to Leopard now runs after loading the desktop, etc. the first time you start up instead of before. That's kind of Windows-y.

4. The other Windows-y thing I noticed is that there was a software update almost immediately after I started up and it required a restart. But instead of installing while I was working and then restarting, it logged out and installed and then shut down. That's pretty lame.

5. On the plus side, instead of just hanging on restart for 10 mins with no explanation, there was a popup message that it was doing something to the boot cache which was more reassuring for the usual post-update boot waiting-and-praying.

As for the operating system itself, everything so far has been almost definite pluses. There are a LOT of things that I've often thought were pretty obvious failing of an otherwise good OS that are now set right.

On login, there is now a button if you forgot your password, you don't have to type it three times to get a hint.

Spaces is pretty awesome, doesn't seem to take much resources at all. There is a weird point in the Expose-Spaces paradigm because now when you expose all windows, you really only get all windows in your current space, which means that you sometimes need to do searching for windows that was not necessary before. I still have to give myself time to get used to it, but I think it may be appropriate to have a fourth expose command that does ALL windows in every space.

The printer setup in the preferences is a nice design, but it seems to be rather buggy. It has trouble finding drivers (and the spinning, busy icon-thingy is really screwed up it, like, blinks) and for Windows-shared printers, after logging in, it closes the window for some reason and you have to push plus again and then you will be logged-in and can choose your printer.

Stacks-- They are very weird. I don't know who the hell thought of them but it seems to me they are a remarkable stupid idea. Maybe the have something more planned to add onto them that will make them semi-useful. Here's hoping.

Searching in menus via help-->Genius.

The dock appearance issues--> non-issues. I was really interested in seeing what the difference would be but honestly, it's barely noticeable, especially if the dock is pretty small, which it will be if you have a lot of icons.

The menu bar--> really a NON-ISSUE. Get over it people! It is honestly not even transparent enough to be noticeable in the release copy of Leopard. Seriously. There is no issue here. Move on.

Spotlight--> HUGE improvement here. It is actually fast enough, consistently enough to be really useful.

They've fixed bugs in mail.

The finder-- Networking is finally fixed. 'Bout damn time.

Mail- activity viewer only shows getting and sending mail, not every time you check the server. (There is still the old window for that)

Safari- Very nice. Webclip works remarkably well.

FTP: I heard someone else say that they could copy onto FTP drives? I still cannot, it says I don't have permission just as before, I'm not sure what the issue is. Anyone else tried this? I have permissions because I can log on in CyberDuck and copy files fine, so it's not that.

Oh.

And quicklook-> AMAZING.

I was expecting that it would be slow and all and not really useful for my system (like dashboard). I was very pleasantly surprised to be proven wrong. It is the best thing for me since white bread. I used it to sift through all the files on my desktop that I've been meaning to clean up for literally years, and now I have a completely clean desktop with the new leaves background (which, by the way is really nice.).

Oh yeah, and Alex, the new voice. Astonishing!

WAIT! No classic????

How did I miss this?

C'mon man, all my cool old System 7 games......

Now, I'm gonna have to buy an G5 in a few years and keep Tiger on it to run all my nostalgic old software.

Orrr.... does anyone know of any good emulators for Leopard that will run through System 7?

That IS kind of sad.....

Adobe CS3 will run just fine in Leopard. Be forewarned, however, that you'll have to migrate CS3 from your Tiger volume. The CS3 Installer DVD will NOT successfully install the needed shared components. I tried for over three hours this weekend before giving up, going to a Tiger volume installing CS3 there with all its upgrades, then using Migration Assistant in Leopard to bring the apps over from the Tiger partition. That worked perfectly.

Adobe's site says that the CS3 apps are compatible, but fails to note that the installer on the DVD doesn't work properly in Leopard. They also note some problems with Acrobat Professional that will require a patch due out in late January 2008.

Click on the Desktop to get back to the Finder, go to Preferences/General, uncheck "Show these items on the Desktop...Hard Disks." It's not new. I actually prefer to see mounted local and shared network drives on the Desktop.

Have a link handy for that?

I installed Adobe Creative Suite 3 Web Premium on Leopard with no problems...at all. I'm wondering what this DVD installer problem is. I didn't run into anything.

The only problem I have with Adobe Acrobat Professional is that it seems to always want to declare itself the default handler for PDF files. It asks me every time I load the app, and there appears no way to turn it off.

I had to reinstall Parallels. Got a kernel panic beforehand. Also my Sites directory has some permissions issue and is no longer web accessible.

Only issues so far.

I've updated 3 Mac's with Leopard - an Intel Mac Mini, an Intel iMac (original), and a iMac G4 800MHz (unsupported).

On the Intel iMac, I just did an upgrade, with basically no issues except with Keychain - I had to re-create the Keychain.

On the Mac Mini, I did an archive install, which worked well, with Migration Assistant moving over my accounts and such. I did have an annoying bug in Parallels/Ubuntu - ubuntu 7 (the latest) could not start the window server. I moved back to an ubuntu 6 version, and all is well.

My G4 iMac 800MHz took a little longer.... I connected it to my MDD 1GHz via firewire target mode, then tried an upgrade. It kept having errors at different parts of the installation, and I would have to re-start. I then tried archive installs, with the same problems. I settled in on an archive install with no optional installs, and the 2nd time I tried that I got through it. Once it re-booted, I used migration assistant to move over all the accounts and stuff. Then I installed the optional stuff via the DVD but this does NOT require booting off the DVD. Leopard now runs beautifully on it!

Now I have to decide if I should install Leopard on a 600MHz iBook? a 300MHz Tangerine iBook? Both run Tiger great!

That's cool. I usually expect OS's to be able to run on older systems than they were intended for. But all the errors during installation are pretty weird. Do you think they are the installer checking for the required system? Or something actually wrong in the installation?

Does your G4 usually have problems? i.e. maybe this is unrelated to it being out of spec.

Is Leopard's performance (especially QuickLook and Spaces) as good as Tiger was on the old machine?

It took about 15mins to do an upgrade. No hiccups.(On my G5 dual-core 2.3) I made sure to do a custom install when I got to the option to do so ( I always make sure to do that) so I didn't install extra fonts, drivers, X11 etc.. just the base system. All is well so far! CS3 works fine, my other apps seem to work ok with no issues.

Good experience in installation; did a clean install on a separate drive, keeping 10.4.9 intact on another drive (Dual G5). Have not upgraded any other systems (33 Macs of various flavors still running 10.4.9, one running 9.2.1). Still testing for compatibility, stability and useability.

No network testing yet (obviously, upgraded only one machine :-). Everything seems to be operational except the following:

Dymo LabelWriter 330
HP Laser 2550
Epson Color 980
Epson Photo R200
Canon LIDE 30 Scanner
Filemaker 7.0.3
Adobe GoLive 6.0.1
SuperDuper 2.1.4
OmniGraffle 2.1
MYOB 2006

1. Dymo support told me today that new softwarewould be forthcoming in 2-3 weeks. For now, we'll boot into Tiger.
2. No news yet on HP updates. For now, we'll boot into Tiger.
3. Epson claims both R200 & 980 should work out of the box but my experience, and many others on the Apple Forums, is the opposite. For now, we'll boot into Tiger.
4. I'm not too concerned about the scanner, it was fifty bucks. My thinking is that I'll be forced to buy another. For now, we'll boot into Tiger.
5. Filemaker is a big deal for us, we do all our material ordering and customer invoicing off of Filemaker, and obviously must continue. It appears that Filemaker will only support version 9 and forward, and that won't happen until mid to late November. We'd have to plunk a lot of cash into updating our databases from 7 to 9, and it just doesn't appear to be worth it right now. Who has this kind of time anyway? For now, we'll boot into Tiger and get our work done.
6. Looks like GoLive is dead meat. We'll boot into Tiger. Too much inter-departmental experience in this application to switch without major training costs and downtime.
7. SuperDuper will have an update shortly and this is good news. TimeMachine looks like fun but we want complete scheduled backups that are 100% bulletproof and SuperDuper has a long and successful track record of doing this for us.
8. OmniGraffle will have an update that works in Leopard but this is a huge bummer. Version 2.1 was fast, lean and mean and did everything we needed to do. The best drawing application we've ever used! Follow on versions were slow, buggy and bloated. For now, we'll boot into Tiger.
9. MYOB - knowing this company, they'll charge for any minor update. We're searching for a new accounting system anyway. For now, we'll boot into Tiger.

And of course, one of the biggest things for us - ASM 2.2 - is Leopard compatible.

Leopard appears to be very stable, some hiccups in JavaScript on the web, although Safari did not immediately crash like it does in Tiger, it still delivered a long, long beachball. OS X has never been very strong supporting JavaScript anyway.

It does not appear that the Finder is faster, although I'm not really timing anything, just an observation. I am not a fan of the system-wide iTunes look but at least it's system-wide finally. The whole look of 10.5 seems a bit dark to me. Not being able to drag folders into the Dock is relatively dumb - having some arbitrary document inside that folder appear is confusing and wastes time. The pop-up of all the files in alphabetical order out of the dock is worthless and serves little purpose. Some people like the shiny reflective dock, others don't... I really don't care. Plus, it can be changed in the terminal, and I think that's what we'll do for all installations eventually. Folders still don't update very well when content has changed. This should've been easy to have fixed.

The rest of the stuff is eye candy and I don't care one way or the other, as long as it works and saves time.

More testing is needed but first impressions are that it's working, some support issues are there (which are to be expected in a new OS release) but overall, it's relatively stable. My major disappointment is that I really hoped the Finder would be super-fast, just scream.

Not all is well in Adobe and Leopard land. Illustrator will crash when going to the file open command. Happened even after I deleted the prefs and restarted it. Ive gotten a few Sys prefs unexpectedly crashed messages as well. Noting too major, except the ILL issue is rather a hot one.
Anybody have this issue in ILL CS3 as well? I may just do a clean reinstall of the apps to be safe here in the next few hours though.

lets see. put in the disk, restarted the comp, took a while to boot up, got me afraid. but then it was smooth sailing. went to play soccer in the gym, came back, and it was done.

no snags thus far

Nope ILL cs3 is fine and dany here. And on the AI front page, ILcs3 is adobe certified compatible too.

So it looks like you're on your own in terms of finding out what went wrong. As with the PS problem for another user.

As repeated above.

Try to make a new user account, and see if AI runs on that account. This will tell if it's a settings problem.

Try to boot into safe mode (hold shift) and see if it does it. (this will see if it's a conflict on the system level).

After that you're probably looking at a moving target (I assume you ran disk permission and fdisk?)

On another note, I have seen that problem before on CS2 (tiger machines). It had to do with flaking ethernet cable, since it was accessed on a network. Are you on a network?

Just wondering if anyone has tried upgrading a system running Tiger with Windows (via bootcamp Beta) - does all seem to be well with both OS's once Leopard is up? Typically I tend to do a clean install with new OS releases, but I'm considering the upgrade this go around due to the time factor of having to back everything up before the wipe and reload stage.

Thanks!!

itunes tagging for multiple files now appears to be broken \

I just upgraded my imac 1.8 to leopard and I have had mixed results. Since the upgrade I have had a few intermittent glitches.

First off I have have yet been able to figure out how to turn off ssl on my outgoing mail server so that I can send mail. My test messages are in my outbox and when I try and delete them I always end up with one mail message that won't delete.

Secondly I since the upgrade I have had moments where my mouse wouldn't work. I have a logitech revolution mouse and my apple mouse. I have a 7 port hub connected. Thought the hub might be the issue, but when I connect to the back of the computer it still has times it won't work. As a matter of fact one time the mouse wouldn't work in the port on the back of the computer or in the hub but worked fine plugged into the keyboard. Kind of a weird thing and I only have had this trouble with mice. All my other devices have had no problems yet.

Over all the thing I have been the most impressed with is bootcamp. I was actually stunned by how easy it was to install xp and install all of the drivers. With the addition of macdrive both OS's seems to be able to share data and work seamlessly. Now if they could just get where you don't have to reboot to switch it would be perfect! I was a little surprised that apple didn't come out with its own version of macdrive for windows. I have found that to be a very important addition.

I'm sure when I get all the bugs worked out leopard will be great. Seems to be somewhat faster than tiger.

David

ps. Anyone else miss the arrows in the dock to tell you what apps are running? This little faint blue balls are way to hard to see.

Epson has a special Leopard-driver page: http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/s...ortLeopard.jsp

Go into your Finder preferences, under General. For some reason, by default, it doesn't show connected servers on the desktop.

Install on my mini went fine.

Install on my 12" PB (867mhz) resulted in the non-booting blue screen. I loaded into target disk mode, got what I needed off (yeah, yeah, I shoulda done that first), then erased and installed.

Now the pb, with a clean install, usually crashes upon waking from sleep. Crash reporter, when I send the bug to Apple, seems to indicate some kind of wireless issue.

I had posted earlier in the forum about upgrading and whether it was worth it right now. I went ahead and bought Leopard (Woohoo for my university's special vending license!), and the update went perfectly fine. I'm running a MacBook Pro (Core 2 Duo, 2 gb RAM), and I just did a regular "Upgrade," opposed to Archive and Install or Clean Install. Hopefully my laziness doesn't prove to affect me later on down the road.

It ran really sluggish at first (Spotlight indexing?), but after letting it sit for a night and a couple reboots, it's working perfectly. *Sigh* it makes me happy :-)

I like the new terminal.app - tabs are great - but one thing is driving me crazy. If I have a text string selected, and then change focus to another application and back, the string is no longer selected. I do a lot of repetitive commands and it used to be so easy to just jump back to the terminal and do command-c command-v without even looking. Now I have to reselect the text every time. Does this qualify as a bug? Seems like other programs retain text selections.

I am a fairly new Mac user so I have never done this before. I upgraded via DVD on Saturday. All went well until my iMac rebooted. It then froze at the blue screen just before the login window. I let it stay there for about an hour, then decided I had had enough. I called Apple, and they walked me through the following process:

Turn machine off - worked
Hold down "C" and turn machine on - worked
Set install preferences (archive and install) - worked
Continue through prompts to install - worked

Machine came online and all seem well. All 3 user accounts were still there with their preferences, desktop images, icons, shortcuts, email setting, messages etc... When I was on the phone with Apple, the tech support person (who was VERY difficult to understand) said I would need to do a recovery on my archived system settings. Do I need to do this? None of the 3 users of the machine, including myself have experienced any problems or missing data.

Can any of you mac experts please offer some guidance? Can I delete the archive, do I need to perform some kind of restore, should I do anything?

Thank a bunch!