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post #41 of 76
Maybe they don't want freaks like you hacking their UI.
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post #42 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Maybe they don't want freaks like you hacking their UI. </strong><hr></blockquote>

That doesn't stop anyone.. it can be hacked just like OS X was.
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post #43 of 76
"Why is Internet Explorer so bad?"

because M$ made it

CAn't wait for OW to get their shit straight, that will be the best Mac browser.
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post #44 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>"Why is Internet Explorer so bad?"

because M$ made it
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have serious doubts on who actually made it. Considering IE 5 for the Mac fully supports pngs and not even IE 6 does this. I know MS put it out.. but I doubt MS coders made it.
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post #45 of 76
Who then?
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post #46 of 76
that's interesting...

IE5 for 9 is SO much better than any Windows browser in everything save pure rendering speed...

although Office 2k1 on 9 rocks, too...

hmmmm
post #47 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Who then?</strong><hr></blockquote>

MS has a Mac programming team they pay to do such things. Including Office. That is why IE 5 for the Mac is so much different than IE 5 for the PC.
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post #48 of 76
So it is Microsoft then. . .

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post #49 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>So it is Microsoft then. . .

:confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>
Not the same MS that is coding Windows.. and coding IE for Windows no...

They contracted it out grover.
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post #50 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by Sinewave:
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Not the same MS that is coding Windows.. and coding IE for Windows no...

They contracted it out grover.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But it is still people who work at Microsoft, so therefore it is MS who makes it.
post #51 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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But it is still people who work at Microsoft, so therefore it is MS who makes it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

My point was.. it's not the same idiots that obviously left out support for pngs in IE. They contracted a bunch of Mac programmers to do their work. While yes they work for MS.. they aren't apart of the MS programming team.
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post #52 of 76
What are they a part of, then?

It's Microsoft coders, just accept it.
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post #53 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by Sinewave:
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My point was.. it's not the same idiots that obviously left out support for pngs in IE. They contracted a bunch of Mac programmers to do their work. While yes they work for MS.. they aren't apart of the MS programming team.</strong><hr></blockquote>

what are you talking about? MS has always had a huge number of mac specific programmers. ever since 1984. they are the largest development house out of Apple. They didn't "contract" mac coders. they employ and hire them. they are part of MS.

you sure do BS a lot
post #54 of 76
No the first IE 5.0 WAS made by contracted Mac programmers by MS. Before that.. MS products for the Mac where just crappy ported MS apps. A lot of these programmers where just used for IE then let go. I know one of them personally that was let go after IE 5.0 was complete. And a lot of them used to work for Apple. And applenut I am talking since Windows 3.1/95 has been out.

[ 11-28-2001: Message edited by: Sinewave ]</p>
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post #55 of 76
I think what he means is they no longer simply hand a Windows version over to Mac coders to port anymore. The Mac BU is now a more independent entity that works on them from the ground up. They no longer have people from the Windows side peering over their shoulders cutting features and functionality. I think IE 5.1 just needs a new rendering engine as its too slow. My main complaint.

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post #56 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by Sinewave:
<strong>No the first IE 5.0 WAS made by contracted Mac programmers by MS. Before that.. MS products for the Mac where just crappy ported MS apps. A lot of these programmers where just used for IE then let go. I know one of them personally that was let go after IE 5.0 was complete. And a lot of them used to work for Apple. And applenut I am talking since Windows 3.1/95 has been out.

[ 11-28-2001: Message edited by: Sinewave ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

hope the guy you know isn't as reliable as your friend from the finder team


I'll give it to you that the Mac BU is a bit seperate from MS.
post #57 of 76
IE 5 is the best browser for OS X, easy, so I don't understand why it's being ragged on so bad for speed. It seems to me that OS X is the problem, not the browsers.

IE 5 has it's share of problems on OS X for user, espeically when it comes to updating download icons in the finder, or drag n' drop functionality. But it doesn't suck as hard as Omniweb.

Omniweb is butt-slow. It sucks. The sneakypeek 10 of OW 4.1 is faster, but it's still slower than IE 5.1 for OS X. If the Omnigroup ever gets their act together then OW might be ok, but for now it's too slow to be usable. Compare OW to IE for browsing speed, and IE wins easily.
post #58 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by apple_otaku:
<strong>I think what he means is they no longer simply hand a Windows version over to Mac coders to port anymore. The Mac BU is now a more independent entity that works on them from the ground up. They no longer have people from the Windows side peering over their shoulders cutting features and functionality. I think IE 5.1 just needs a new rendering engine as its too slow. My main complaint.

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Bing Bing Bing. Give that man a cigar.
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post #59 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>IE 5 is the best browser for OS X, easy, so I don't understand why it's being ragged on so bad for speed. It seems to me that OS X is the problem, not the browsers.

IE 5 has it's share of problems on OS X for user, espeically when it comes to updating download icons in the finder, or drag n' drop functionality. But it doesn't suck as hard as Omniweb.

Omniweb is butt-slow. It sucks. The sneakypeek 10 of OW 4.1 is faster, but it's still slower than IE 5.1 for OS X. If the Omnigroup ever gets their act together then OW might be ok, but for now it's too slow to be usable. Compare OW to IE for browsing speed, and IE wins easily.</strong><hr></blockquote>

OW SP 10 is TONS faster for me than IE 5.1 And makes pages render a lot better to boot.
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post #60 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by Sinewave:
<strong>OW SP 10 is TONS faster for me than IE 5.1 And makes pages render a lot better to boot.</strong><hr></blockquote>Agreed!! I'll take OW 4.1 over IE 5.1 any day now... well, most days. OW still seems to have issues with CSS and Java (but IE dislikes some Java too).
post #61 of 76
I want all the people in that other thread arguing that IE is not a bad browser and that MS defeated Netscape because IE was that good to come read this. Then I want them to go away.
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post #62 of 76
[quote] OW SP 10 is TONS faster for me than IE 5.1 And makes pages render a lot better to boot. <hr></blockquote>

On my Powermac G4 400, 576 MB RAM, SP 10 is much slower than IE 5.1. Perhaps you're on a dualie?

As for rendering pages, I find that OW sucks at it. In IE5.1, text is simply better: it's bold where it should be, and the font sizes are more optimized for actual viewing.

Also, since OW cannot render as many pages as IE5.1, it's not accurate to say that OW renders pages better than IE.

The ONLY browser I've used that's faster than IE5.1 is Mozilla, but Mozilla sucks real hard in so many other ways that I'd rather use IE.
post #63 of 76
Junkyard it's opinion based. Like think the look of IE's text is pure crap compared to Omni's.

It's all in the personal preferences.
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[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>IE 5 is the best browser for OS X, easy, so I don't understand why it's being ragged on so bad for speed. It seems to me that OS X is the problem, not the browsers.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No way its OS X. I just ran netscape 6.2 for the first time earlier this week and my jaw dropped. It is so much faster than IE 5.1 its not funny. Pages that took 5 - 10 seconds to load under IE loaded in about 1 second under Netscape 6.2. Its a night and day difference. I'm used to using IE and Mail so its hard to get used to. I like IE except for the slow rendering engine. OmniWeb hasn't been any faster than IE for me. Its actually been slower. They did say it had a memory leak and I only have 128MB so maybe that's it. Sometimes I like the anti-aliased text but a lot of times I don't. I don't like OmniWeb very much except it does follow the OS X form very well.
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post #65 of 76
I just downloaded Netscape to try it out again and see if it was actually fast. Guess what.... VERY SLOW. What a surprise. Seriously, it was really bad I immediately deleted it. Still gunna be IE most of the time and occasionally OmniWeb for me.
post #66 of 76
can someone out there please explain to me why i cant get sites that having realtime streaming (datek online for instance) dont work on the mac? is it a java thing or what the hell am i missing. why do i have to use a crappy wintel just to get this feature to work right? is there any browser or something i can do (virtual pc just isnt cuttin it on my ti550)
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post #67 of 76
Why is every single windows browser better?
Eh? Ive never used a browser better than Mac IE 5, including WinIE 6.
Well, except Opera... best browser ever? Maybe...
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post #68 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by The Toolboi:
<strong>Why is every single windows browser better?
Eh? Ive never used a browser better than Mac IE 5, including WinIE 6.
Well, except Opera... best browser ever? Maybe...</strong><hr></blockquote>

IE 5 for OS 9 rules. IE 5 for OS X drools.
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post #69 of 76
surfing the web on a PC has always been faster than doing it on a Mac.
post #70 of 76
I sure would like to know why, is the tcp/ip more efficient in Windows? In general so to speak.
post #71 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by macway:
<strong>surfing the web on a PC has always been faster than doing it on a Mac.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It has News to me.
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post #72 of 76
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Yes? Window's renders HTML faster than I can think.

And to say IE for mac is better than windows is very strange. Try putting a mac and a pc next to eachother and load your favorite site.
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[quote]Originally posted by corvette:
<strong>Yes? Window's renders HTML faster than I can think.

And to say IE for mac is better than windows is very strange. Try putting a mac and a pc next to eachother and load your favorite site.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Depends on what speed of connections the computers are on.. the speed of the processor.. and whether or not they are getting it from the cache or not. My 350mhz G3 renders pages just as fast and my roomates 400mhz P2
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post #74 of 76
I once putted IE 5 in my osx start-up items "folder", when i started up, my whole system got ****ed up. I think that's a bad thing.
post #75 of 76
[quote]Depends on what speed of connections the computers are on.. the speed of the processor.. and whether or not they are getting it from the cache or not. My 350mhz G3 renders pages just as fast and my roomates 400mhz P2 <hr></blockquote>
you must have dial up. My first PC I got a month ago is a 333 dell P2 and it is faster than my 450 G4 on a 1.2Mbps down line kind of a bummer. but really why are the slower it has to be the rendering engine. this site is a great example my PC pages load in 1 sec. Mac 4-6 sec. Also Macs have slow java performace when ibench used to work i tested my G3 300 and it was = to a P150. Opera is really much faster for me than I.E. on almostevery thing some pages no diff. some drasticaly faster.
post #76 of 76
[quote]Originally posted by corvette:
<strong>Have you guys tried out Euntorage v.x yet?

It looks very windowx xpish. It is going to take some time before I get used to this app. It looks very bloated but the calendar looks very nice.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I like it. Its much like the 2001 verion but a little more OS X. The calender is muich better. I like the way oppintmets and dates are set up. Printing them is cleaner too.
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