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What features are you waiting for in OS X, or programs you HAVE to have native before you'll convert?

For me:

Dreamweaver
Final Cut Pro
After Effects

OS X in itself is good enough for me as it is right now, but I can't commit until I have those three locked in. Photoshop would be preferable, but when those others come around, I'll switch.

EDIT: CosmoNut needs to learn how to spell.

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post #2 of 37
I think the majority of people who haven't switched yet will switch when the apps that you mentioned are availible.
post #3 of 37
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Oh, I'm sure a good deal are waiting for those, but I'm sure that quite a few are still waiting for other programs like GoLive, Director, FreeHand, Premiere, Norton Utilities, Quark XPress, etc. I'd like to hear each person's thoughts.

Heck, maybe someone still thinks OS X isn't stable enough yet.
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post #4 of 37
I'm there now. But then, the apps I need are already there, and I have a fairly high tolerance for betaware. If it's in beta.

However, it fails the mom test. I'm not switching my mom over from OS 9 until the OS itself has some more spit and polish, and Omni releases a final version of OW 4.1. Right now it's good, and a quantum leap better than 10.0.x, but I don't see why all the pundits are exhorting people to upgrade now!!! When it's more predictable, smoother, and when basic aspects like networking and peripheral support are finished and complete I'll move her over and start recommending OS X to newbies. Things just have to work, promptly and reliably and intuitively, before it's ready for non-power users.
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post #5 of 37
I wholeheartedly agree.

I've switched and I spend over 90% of my time in X on both my Ti PB 500 and my G4 500 DP. Mostly I love the interface and the Dev Tools, but I love trying new stuff too.

To try to stick to the topic at hand, I will not need to boot into 9 when these apps are carbonized:

Diablo II
Photoshop
WiTango Development Studio / Server
\t(it's a product similar to PHP, ASP, Lasso)

It also wouldn't hurt having a Baldur's Gate II app for X that doesn't suck.

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post #6 of 37
Photoshop
Final Cut Pro
After Effects

I can leave others running under Classic
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post #8 of 37
I have it running on one machine just now, but I still need a few things to go completely over to OS X. Final Cut Pro is the most important, but I'd also like to see DVD Studio Pro, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash, Peak and Deck (Coming soon!), Logic Audio (January, I think?), and Final Draft.

I'd also like to see a few completed features in OS X itself, and version 4.5 of OmniWeb (CSS and Javascript!).
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post #9 of 37
[quote]However, it fails the mom test.<hr></blockquote>

That's funny! You're right Amorph. I would not upgrade my dad's machine for that very reason.

My hope is that InDesign will get OS Xed first, and kick Quark's sorry, monopolized behind. Quark has given us junk for so many years, and it's time for them to go.
post #10 of 37
I keep finding reasons to boot into OS9 (usually something to do with digital audio hardware interface support) so often that more and more I just leave OS9 as my startup system folder. Even if I can accomplish 90% of my work in OSX and/or classic, I get tired of having to re-start in OS9 for some kind of hardware compatibility, so I just get back into the habit of booting into OS9 to start with.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those "OSX isn't ready for prime time" complainers. Actually it IS ready for prime time for almost every use. But people who depend on compatibility with special hardware can't switch yet.
post #11 of 37
The main thing keeping groverat from OSX is a Mac capable of running OSX.

Other than that, though, I'm happy with it.
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post #12 of 37
once my copy of office for x ships, then i'll be done
post #13 of 37
once I get more ram and a burner for backup, i'll be there.
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post #14 of 37
For my wife's iMac 350:
Office X (i will have this in the next few weeks)
Palm Desktop

I hope Palm doesn't go bk. Their financials are looking grim these days.

I won't make a permanent switch on my G3 Beige 466 because in order to play Q3 I use my Voodoo 5 which means OS 9. However, I do plan on buying a new G4 in Jan. Then I'll make the switch and I'm looking forward to it. The only current non-carbonized app I need for X is GoLive.

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post #15 of 37
Give me...

PhotoShop
Dreamweaver


...and I'm there. Classic just sucks right now and is not an option for crunch time work. I can prob make the move with just PS, but use both on a daily basis.
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post #16 of 37
I'm on X but have to reboot into Classic for:
- Videoconferencing
- Virtual PC
post #17 of 37
I've already switched, but I'm still waiting on Dreamweaver and Final Draft to be ported. The other features outweighed those though, so I'm already using OS X and booting Classic when I need those.
post #18 of 37
It would be nice if Apple could get around to finishing OS X. I guess that would be asking too much though.
post #19 of 37
[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>However, it fails the mom test.</strong><hr></blockquote>

At my house, it fails the wife test. There are no OS X drivers for our Epson EPL-5700i laser printer. There's no point to expect my wife to understand that you can print in Classic but not in X, and deal with that problem. Therfore, the family iMac is still running Mac OS 9.2.1.

The iBook, which is for my (almost) exclusive use, is running 10.1.1 because (a) I like to be at the forefront of technology (b) I actually prefer the X interface and (c) MS Word Test Drive is available.

However, there's two more things which have prevented me from deleting OS 9 from my system. Palm Desktop for OS X is still MIA. And Microsoft still hasn't been able to deliver a copy of Office v.X to my academic reseller. I'm glad to see heavy demand for Office v.X, but the shipping delays are a pain in the ass.

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post #20 of 37
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>It would be nice if Apple could get around to finishing OS X. I guess that would be asking too much though.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The "classic" Mac OS (Uh... System...) is seventeen years old, and yet it's still not "finished".
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post #21 of 37
[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
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The "classic" Mac OS (Uh... System...) is seventeen years old, and yet it's still not "finished". </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yea right. When OS X has basic hardware support for Apple's own hardware it will be closer to being "finished".

Look at Retrospect. They can't port it to OS X because of "issues". The main issue being OS X is not finished.

Where support for Quicktime compatible USB cameras. Oh wait there isn't any. Dang! And here I thought I had the worlds most advanced operating system.
post #22 of 37
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>Yea right. When OS X has basic hardware support for Apple's own hardware it will be closer to being "finished".

Look at Retrospect. They can't port it to OS X because of "issues". The main issue being OS X is not finished.

Where support for Quicktime compatible USB cameras. Oh wait there isn't any. Dang! And here I thought I had the worlds most advanced operating system.</strong><hr></blockquote>
My comment was supposed to be in some way humorous. I should have learnt by now I'm not in any way amusing.

Without trying to be inflammatory, which basic hardware support is currently missing? I'm a bit behind in the discussions about the current state of OS X.

Regarding the Retrospect thing, does anyone know the details of this? Exactly what part of OS X is missing that means Dantz can't produce an app to back up a hard disk?
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post #23 of 37
Drivers for HP G85.

I can't print without OS X drivers so I can't use it at home.
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post #24 of 37
I've been waiting for a font management tool and a Netware client.

I've just got Suitcase 10.1 so its just the Netware client for connecting to our studio server.

[oh and of course photoshop, dreamweaver etc but thats taken for granted...!]
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post #25 of 37
I had X running on my machine for a while and would boot back into 9 for Photoshop and Word. This got annoying very very fast, so I formatted and am running 9 again. When ALL of Adobe's products as well as Final Cut are released for X, then Ill make the switch and wont even have Classic installed.
post #26 of 37
I've got an iBook 500 combo coming today(!) from UPS. My plan is to run solely in X on it. I've had Apple hardware since the IIgs. Right now I have a Dual 800 and an 8500 sitting on my desk. I'm just not comfortable giving up my main machine and learning OSX on it. Therefore, the iBook will be something that I can screw up and not worry too much. Back on topic: I'm waiting until I get upgraded to understand X. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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post #27 of 37
Belle wrote:

[quote]Regarding the Retrospect thing, does anyone know the details of this? Exactly what part of OS X is missing that means Dantz can't produce an app to back up a hard disk?<hr></blockquote>

There was an issue with hard links, which Apple appears to have squashed in an (as yet unreleased) bug fix. Other than that, Dantz isn't exactly forthcoming (apart from identifying the problems as "file manager and device issues" on their <a href="http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=osx" target="_blank">page</a>. I personally suspect that it's not so much that any pieces are missing. It's that Apple is currently in the "death by a thousand stings" stage of smoothing out all the glitches and problems and little gaps in the pieces that are there.

10.1.1 is tantalizingly close to being there.
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post #28 of 37
Native hotsync with vidigo, expense plus and avantgo support (at a minimum).

Plus, would someone, anyone (other than MS) make a quality single-app, fully integrated PIM that supports both sync and network scheduling?

[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
<strong>What features are you waiting for in OS X, or programs you HAVE to have native before you'll convert?

For me:

Dreamweaver
Final Cut Pro
After Effects

OS X in itself is good enough for me as it is right now, but I can't commit until I have those three locked in. Photoshop would be preferable, but when those others come around, I'll switch.

EDIT: CosmoNut needs to learn how to spell.

[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: CosmoNut ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
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post #29 of 37
I'd like the OS to keep up with me.

I love OS X, but am doing time in 9 for a change, just to see what I still miss.

For example, in OS X, when I hit Command-F, type in my search and hit Enter all in one burst, the keyboard buffer maybe catches half the characters. Searching for 'my file' becomes searching for ''ile', typically.

Same thing when opening a folder, typing a few letters to select an item and opening it - all before the GUI has any time to give feedback.

In OS 9, it's ok to be a few steps ahead of the feedback all the time, in OS X I seem to tum-de-dumming a whole lot, waiting for app focus to pull itself together.

It's probably just Finder - most apps seem to perform quite ok. Poor Finder

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post #30 of 37
I began the process to OS X two months ago. I have a G3/300 Mhz that I added so now I have 384 MB of RAM. Then last Friday I purchased Mac OS X 10.1 (which included 9.2.1). So I installed 9.2.1 to get a feel for that - I had been on 8.6 for the past two years. Everything works great.

So, over the holidays I have two four-day weekends, during which I will at least install.

As for OS X apps that I would work with:

Nisus Writer
FrameMaker
Bible Software (aside from Accordance, there isn't much )
PageMaker (probably never will make it)
Reunion
MS Office (although I have 2001 and may not go beyond that).
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post #31 of 37
finally Final Cut Pro!

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post #32 of 37
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In reference to my original post/thread starter:

[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
<strong>What features are you waiting for in OS X, or programs you HAVE to have native before you'll convert?

For me:

Dreamweaver
Final Cut Pro
After Effects

</strong><hr></blockquote>

One down, two to go. I have a feeling they're both coming at MWSF. (fingers crossed)

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My biggest issue with X is that so much has changed. I have been using macs for 15 years, they are virtually an extension of my body. I can do so much without even thinking about it. In X, things are in different places, old key commands don't work, and frankly, I've gotten really used to the computer making sounds every time I do something (scrolling, opening folders/files, etc.) I expect it to happen and X doesn't have it. Not only that, but every time, I would restart in 9 after using X, my sound wouldn't work. I got zero sound from anything until I shut down and restarted, sometimes twice. Not only that, but even when all of these applications do come out for X, I can't afford to replace all my software. I bought Office over the summer even though I knew Office X was coming because I was going to school and I needed it. I'm a college student, I don't exactly have huge amounts of disposable income, I can't afford to buy Office X now that it exists, not to mention some of the other stuff i have, and forget about all the little shareware games and things that I have had for years and will never, ever run in X. Not only that, but I don't really have any desire to shell out the 20 bucks or whatever it is to upgrade to 10.1, mostly because I was really displeased with X. Take for instance the fact that there were two files that would not empty out of the trash. No matter what I did, they remained in the trash, that's just annoying. X looks great, but I'll be running whaatever the latest version of 9 is until I don't really know when. Maybe if I used Xparticularly 10.1 which will allow me to do things that X wouldn't (like play DVD's)for a while I would get used to it. But I am a hold over, X just doesn't feel like Mac to me, and I don't know what it will take to get me to switch.
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post #34 of 37
Give me os 9x completedness and universality and ease, (MAKE IT EASIER) with a launcher, and when I want to; OS X under the hood, that, and:
FCP 3
ProTools (free) of course
Plugz
Sound Edit
SOUND PROGZ
PhotoShop
DreamW.
After Eff+ plugz

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[quote]Originally posted by SledgeHammer:
<strong>I'm a college student, I don't exactly have huge amounts of disposable income, I can't afford to buy Office X now that it exists, not to mention some of the other stuff i have, and forget about all the little shareware games and things that I have had for years and will never, ever run in X. Not only that, but I don't really have any desire to shell out the 20 bucks or whatever it is to upgrade to 10.1, mostly because I was really displeased with X. </strong>

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<strong> X looks great, but I'll be running whaatever the latest version of 9 is until I don't really know when.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Welcome to the bleeding edge.
It soulds like you would be a lot happier never seeing X again.

That's fine if you want to stay in 9 for a while... but did it occur to you that it's going to cost you a LOT more to get your X software if you wait? By the time you come around to using X regularly, some companies will not be offering the same upgrade price on your out-of-date software, rather, they will require you to purchase the full versions. I can't imagine Microsoft offering an Office v.11 upgrade for users of the then two-year-old and two-versions-out-of-date Office 2001.

As for paying $20 for 10.1... <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> you should be able to visit any Apple retailer and get the 10.1 upgrade disc for free. Well, I don't know if you still can, but you should have done that when 10.1 was first released. That's your fault.

And if you can't pay the outrageous prices for upgrades as a college student (I am too and I know where you're coming from), do what college students across this great nation do: pirate. I don't know if everyone over there at Eastern University pirates software, but I can tell you that I don't know anyone here at NC State University that doesn't have some sort of pirated software on their computer.

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post #36 of 37
But the thing is is that WE DON"T HAVE A CHOICE.
lose the famous mac flow, and struggle to learn a new one because we have to.... because the alternatives are worse.


oh yeah:
and Norton SystemWorks.
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post #37 of 37
I always thought they should call it Norton SystemDoesNotWork. I mean, when do you ever use it? When the system isn't working like it's supposed to.

Anyway, I'd really like to see a whole bunch of the changes that have been talked about in the "changes you'd like to see in 10.2" thread. I firmly believe that Apple need look no further than the many professionals on this list to find things about any/all of their products that need revision.

It's really a perfect field test area if you exclude the bitching and only look at the constructive criticism.

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