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Apple said Tuesday that it sold over two million copies of Mac OS X Leopard since its release on Friday, far outpacing the first-weekend sales of Mac OS X Tiger, which was previously the most successful OS release in the company's history.

Sales included copies sold at Apple's retail stores, Apple Authorized Resellers, the online Apple Store, under maintenance agreements and bundled with new Mac computers. In comparison, it took the Cupertino-based Mac maker nearly six weeks to ship its 2 millionth copy of Mac OS X Tiger back in 2005.

"Early indications are that Leopard will be a huge hit with customers," said Apple chief executive Steve Jobs. "Leopard's innovative features are getting great reviews and making more people than ever think about switching to the Mac."

Leopard is the sixth major release of Mac OS X and is packed with more than 300 new features. Among them is Time Machine, an effortless way to automatically back up everything on a Mac; a redesigned Finder that lets users quickly browse and share files between multiple Macs; Quick Look, a new way to instantly see files without opening an application; Spaces, an intuitive new feature used to create groups of applications and instantly switch between them; a brand new desktop with Stacks, a new way to easily access files from the Dock; and major enhancements to Mail and iChat.

Mac OS X version 10.5 Leopard is available through the Apple Store, at Apple's retail stores and through Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $129 for a single user license and $199 for the five-user license Family Pack.

However, the best deals on Leopard continue to come by way of online retailer Amazon.com, which does not charge sales tax and is offering an instant $20 off Leopard single license and $10 off the family pack, bringing the costs down to $109, and $189, respectively. Amazon is also offering deals on Leopard Server.

Leopard requires a minimum of 512MB of RAM and is designed to run on any Macintosh computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5 or G4 (867 MHz or faster) processor.
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Wow!! that's 258 million! on the conservative side....
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Just out of curiosity, does anybody know how many copies of Vista were sold in the same time? I can't find anything on wikipedia.
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Probably more, but they have more over-all users. Though Apple has gained like a 2-3% base in the past few years.
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Vista launched first to corporations, in November '06. Three months later, after the first month of widespread consumer availability, 20 million copies had been "sold", but this included bulk Vista licenses for PCs that had not yet been sold and XP sales that came with coupons for low-cost Vista upgrades. By mid-May, 6 months post-launch, Vista had "sold" 40 million copies.

For comparison, AppleInsider reported in March '07 that Tiger sold 2 million copies in its first 4 weeks (in 2005) and that Vista sales figures "daunt" Apple. Pundits predicted Mac marketshare would decline over the next several months as Vista took over.
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Is the Family Pack considered 5 copies of Leopard? I purchased a FP and will only use 2 (3 if I can pull off the PC hack) of the licenses. That sales number may be a bit misleading... but it's still huge

I don't know how accurate this is...but I found a forum that said Windows XP sold 232,000 copies in the first week. I found another forum that said Vista was 60% below that in first week sales. Somewhere around 100,000? I'd say Apple smoked Microsoft in first week sales.
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Just out of curiosity, does anybody know how many copies of Vista were sold in the same time? I can't find anything on wikipedia.

I think it was about the same number as Zunes that sold in the same period wasn't it?
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I think the number is going to grow beyond the wildest dreams of all.

The tide is really turning.

I just spent some time on PC blogs and one was 90% full of PC users who were switching or had switched to OS X and in particular Leopard has them wowed. I include one typical entry from PC blog here, (I hope that is ok legally?) Please delete if it is not Admin person

From Another Blog on a PC site: http://informationweek.com/blog/main...html#community
commented on Oct 30, 2007 5:56:03 AM
"I'm an MSc. in Computer Science working professionally with software development on Windows platforms for 12 years. Last year I realized seeing a friends iMac with Intel processor that, hey, this good looking machine is a PC. Great, I can buy it and run Windows on it. Would be fun to try out Mac OS also (which I have not even turned to look at before) for private stuff like photos, music and film which it said to be good at.

After 3 months I do NOT have the strength to log into Windows. It sucks, for real! I have defended Windows and loved it for 12 professional years, I know it inside out. I gave it all up in 3 months. Really! In comparison it really is worse in most aspects. And as Mac OS X has a UNIX core there is no problem to get under the hood like everyone seem to think, I would say it is the other way around. Anyway, most people do NOT want to get under the hood. You should not HAVE to get under the hood to perform basic stuff which you sometimes need to do in Windows.

Let's leave deep IT and look at stuff most people at home and at work use. I want even go into the Mac OS X built in Movie/photo/music stuff, it IS awsome. Let's look at the Office suit. I know of no-one during my professional years who wouldn't kill for beeing able to use a better word processor than Microsoft Word. Why not try out iWork Pages? The document looks better before you even start writing, and you can actually do real page layouts and typograph stuff (and it is cheaper). As well as open and save in .doc format AS WELL as .pdf, .rtf. Ever used Powerpoint? Check out iWork Keynote. You almost don't believe your eyes! And Powerpoint is what we sit and use in all offices all over the world creating crappy looking presentations paying more!

After starting using Mac OS X and the bundled software I CAN NOT believe that the world is still using Windows. The main reason I think, like for me, is that we do not know that there is an alternative. We think Macs are for "media" guys. I cannot think of one single thing I miss from Windows and that I think does something better than can be found in Mac OS X. New Leopard looks fantastic with real new groundbreaking feaures for everyday computer users which makes you more productive than ever.

I bought Apple shares for every penny I had to spare last summer. The tides must be turning now, I can hear it everywhere, I can see it everywhere. Why don't you join the movement?"

Reason for EDIT is I had the wrong info about where I saw this .. I now include source URL at top. The article is lame but just read the blog below! It is stunning.
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I think the number is going to grow beyond the wildest dreams of all.

The tide is really turning.

I just spent some time on PC blogs and one from PC magazine was 90% full of PC users who were switching or had switched to OS X and in particular Leopard has them wowed. I include one typical entry from PC magazine;s blog here, (I hope that is ok legally?) Please delete if it is not Admin person

From Another Blog on a PC site:
commented on Oct 30, 2007 5:56:03 AM
"I'm an MSc. in Computer Science working professionally with software development on Windows platforms for 12 years. Last year I realized seeing a friends iMac with Intel processor that, hey, this good looking machine is a PC. Great, I can buy it and run Windows on it. Would be fun to try out Mac OS also (which I have not even turned to look at before) for private stuff like photos, music and film which it said to be good at.

After 3 months I do NOT have the strength to log into Windows. It sucks, for real! I have defended Windows and loved it for 12 professional years, I know it inside out. I gave it all up in 3 months. Really! In comparison it really is worse in most aspects. And as Mac OS X has a UNIX core there is no problem to get under the hood like everyone seem to think, I would say it is the other way around. Anyway, most people do NOT want to get under the hood. You should not HAVE to get under the hood to perform basic stuff which you sometimes need to do in Windows.

Let's leave deep IT and look at stuff most people at home and at work use. I want even go into the Mac OS X built in Movie/photo/music stuff, it IS awsome. Let's look at the Office suit. I know of no-one during my professional years who wouldn't kill for beeing able to use a better word processor than Microsoft Word. Why not try out iWork Pages? The document looks better before you even start writing, and you can actually do real page layouts and typograph stuff (and it is cheaper). As well as open and save in .doc format AS WELL as .pdf, .rtf. Ever used Powerpoint? Check out iWork Keynote. You almost don't believe your eyes! And Powerpoint is what we sit and use in all offices all over the world creating crappy looking presentations paying more!

After starting using Mac OS X and the bundled software I CAN NOT believe that the world is still using Windows. The main reason I think, like for me, is that we do not know that there is an alternative. We think Macs are for "media" guys. I cannot think of one single thing I miss from Windows and that I think does something better than can be found in Mac OS X. New Leopard looks fantastic with real new groundbreaking feaures for everyday computer users which makes you more productive than ever.

I bought Apple shares for every penny I had to spare last summer. The tides must be turning now, I can hear it everywhere, I can see it everywhere. Why don't you join the movement?"

DAMN! Balmer must be having a heart episode since friday..
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Awesome!! Thanks for sharing.
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The tides must be turning now, I can hear it everywhere, I can see it everywhere. Why don't you join the movement?"

Been using Windows, and still am, for ... let's see... about 10 years (I'm 18).

The last couple of months, I've been following apple and I'm totally convinced that my next computer will be a mac. Just waiting for the pay to get in! (TOMORROW )

Also trying to convince my friends to switch, but they're really kinda stuck up, and think macs are weird. But I'm sure they'll switch sooner or later, after I bring my macbook with Leopard to school!
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Been using Windows, and still am, for ... let's see... about 10 years (I'm 18).

The last couple of months, I've been following apple and I'm totally convinced that my next computer will be a mac. Just waiting for the pay to get in! (TOMORROW )

Also trying to convince my friends to switch, but they're really kinda stuck up, and think macs are weird. But I'm sure they'll switch sooner or later, after I bring my macbook with Leopard to school!

You really might want to wait as it looks like an update to the macbook is imminent.
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Been using Windows, and still am, for ... let's see... about 10 years (I'm 18).

The last couple of months, I've been following apple and I'm totally convinced that my next computer will be a mac. Just waiting for the pay to get in! (TOMORROW )

Also trying to convince my friends to switch, but they're really kinda stuck up, and think macs are weird. But I'm sure they'll switch sooner or later, after I bring my macbook with Leopard to school!

Good for you (see previous note ... new MacBook in weeks maybe !) And buy a few APPL shares while you are at it, by the time you are my age you might be a millionaire lol
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DAMN! Balmer must be having a heart episode since friday..

He has a heart?
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How can Amazon USA offer such a good discount? In Japan they only offer a 1% discount.

Price fixing?

 

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How can Amazon USA offer such a good discount? In Japan they only offer a 1% discount.

Price fixing?

sales volume, i guess.

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Has anyone tried making a clone of there Time Machine back up yet? So far it has failed with Finder, Carbon Copy Cloner and Super Duper.

You may think I am crazy to want to copy a back up; but the first back up is very slow (once done it is fast) and I wanted to experiment with Airport Extreme Wi Fi backup. In case i screwed up the first backup done directly (a way to get APE to work we think) in testing this theory I tried to clone it but no dice.

If anyone knows how to let me know
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Been using Windows, and still am, for ... let's see... about 10 years (I'm 18).

The last couple of months, I've been following apple and I'm totally convinced that my next computer will be a mac. Just waiting for the pay to get in! (TOMORROW )

Also trying to convince my friends to switch, but they're really kinda stuck up, and think macs are weird. But I'm sure they'll switch sooner or later, after I bring my macbook with Leopard to school!

Welcome to AI, Halenissen. I concur with Backtomac, wait until the MacBook is updated. IT should be within the next the couple weeks according to Apple's update history and rumours flying around. You will get much more for the same price if you just wait a little bit.

As the resident computer tech I have bullied a good deal of people into switching by politely informing friends and family that if their next computer is not a Mac I will not assist them with computer issues any longer. They can call Geek Squad or MS, for all I care.

Now, I have less troubleshooting issues to tackle leaving more time for productive endeavors and everyone I've switched--without exception--is quite happy with the change and also claims they are more productive. Occasionally, there is an issue with someone not finding the Mac equivalent to a Win program on their own, but with a simple email response and a hyperlink that is resolved. Now with Leopard, any troubleshooting or training that needs to be done via iChat Screen Sharing so even that will help move Windows users into OS X as their is a learning curve albeit ever so slight.
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How can Amazon USA offer such a good discount? In Japan they only offer a 1% discount.

Price fixing?

Yes, that's exactly right.

They fix the price. Duh.

Look out for long lines and shortages at the gas tank next as Amazon implements price fixing on more goods. Duh.
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Has anyone tried making a clone of there Time Machine back up yet? So far it has failed with Finder, Carbon Copy Cloner and Super Duper.

You may think I am crazy to want to copy a back up; but the first back up is very slow (once done it is fast) and I wanted to experiment with Airport Extreme Wi Fi backup. In case i screwed up the first backup done directly (a way to get APE to work we think) in testing this theory I tried to clone it but no dice.

If anyone knows how to let me know

I bought a 1 TB MyBook (Western Digital) drive that actually contains two drives.
You can set it for RAID 1 mode, and it appears to your Mac as a 500 GB drive.
Whatever you throw at it gets mirrored to the second drive instantly. If one of the
drives goes down, you've got the other. It was $249 at Best Buy.

My initial Time Machine backup took about three hours. After that, the little backups every hour are not even noticable. (It's got three connection options: FireWire 800,
FireWire 400, and USB 2.0. I use FW800.)

Of course, I can still hook up my Maxtor 500 GB USB 2.0 drive and use SuperDuper
for a snapshot to keep off-site if needed. Although, I admit, I haven't tried that yet,
and I don't know if SuperDuper works with Leopard. That's my plan, though.

Even if SuperDuper doesn't work, you can get a second drive, and just swap them once
in a while. Time Machine is smart enough to backup what needs backing up,
I'm told, even if an official Time Machine drive has been detached and gets reattached
later.

Good luck!
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From Another Blog on a PC site: http://informationweek.com/blog/main...html#community
commented on Oct 30, 2007 5:56:03 AM

I don't think it's proper to copy and paste large amounts of text when the link will do fine fine.
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As the resident computer tech I have bullied a good deal of people into switching by politely informing friends and family that if their next computer is not a Mac I will not assist them with computer issues any longer. They can call Geek Squad or MS, for all I care.

Yes, I am doing the same. people used to call me and ask what Dell they should buy, I'd say buy a Mac, Dells suck. A couple weeks later I'd hear they bought a Dell. Now if they call and ask about computers, I find they are more open to Mac. I just send them to an Apple store, done.

In terms of that former PC user above, I can totally see that. I've used Macs even when Mac sucked, which they did in the late 90s. I used to look at PCs and think, damn that is faster than my mac, Macs are screwed... But after the release of OSX I could see that Apple OS development was able to rev and improve the OS very fast and more reliably than before. I was not sure if it was the UNIX foundation, efficiency of Cocoa frameworks and tools, or maybe just the benefit from dropping all the legacy stuff. But over starting in 10.3, 10.4 and increasingly in 10.5, Macs have a technical advantage over WinPC. Now when I see a PC I feel like I am visiting someone in the Soviet Union. Its just not polite to tell people how much their stuff reeks.

Its funny but I keep reading reviews of the hardcore mac guys, like arstechnica, that trash leopard in a few areas, like the design of folders. The real test that matters for the future of the platform is what to Windows people think when they see Leopard? The hardcore mac user is not going to leave for a folder design, but Windows guys may look as see a serious, detailed OS that screams. Its better to strip away the candy coatings, the cutesy stuff in the OS and just make it super slick, clean and reliable. I personally think the new dock, especially for a novice user is brilliant and not at all ugly. And the side dock is just about right for a pro user.
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I bought a 1 TB MyBook (Western Digital) drive that actually contains two drives.
You can set it for RAID 1 mode, and it appears to your Mac as a 500 GB drive.
Whatever you throw at it gets mirrored to the second drive instantly. If one of the
drives goes down, you've got the other. It was $249 at Best Buy.

My initial Time Machine backup took about three hours. After that, the little backups every hour are not even noticable. (It's got three connection options: FireWire 800,
FireWire 400, and USB 2.0. I use FW800.)

Of course, I can still hook up my Maxtor 500 GB USB 2.0 drive and use SuperDuper
for a snapshot to keep off-site if needed. Although, I admit, I haven't tried that yet,
and I don't know if SuperDuper works with Leopard. That's my plan, though.

Even if SuperDuper doesn't work, you can get a second drive, and just swap them once
in a while. Time Machine is smart enough to backup what needs backing up,
I'm told, even if an official Time Machine drive has been detached and gets reattached
later.

Good luck!

Thnx for the info. Snag for me is my drive took 10 hours for initial backup (I know it is fast after that) so trying to cheat with a fast clone before risking losing TM I had while trying the trick of attaching to airport extreme base station to test Wi Fi work around. This may screw with the TM I suspect but fun to test.
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Have any of you guys checked at the discussion forums at Apple? They might have sold 2 millions copies of Leopard in the first weekend, but from the looks of the support forums there are thousands of unhappy Mac users with the blue screen of death. I bought Leopard Saturday, put the disc in my computer (PowerPC G5), but it won't even get to the install screen. It installed perfectly though on my girlfriend's laptop. I even reinstalled Tiger for a fresh start, then tried Leopard again. ...hours of a grey screen. I tried starting up from the disc but my computer just isn't recognizing it. A coworker bought a copy but after the install his computer won't even boot up! I'm sure the majority were problem free installs, but from the looks of the Leopard discussions on Apple's site, they should have maybe done some more beta testing. I'll probably have to go to the Genius Bar or wait for the dust to clear. Any of you have any similar problems?
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At backtomac, digitalclips and solipism

Oh yeah, that is right! Thanks for reminding me, could've made a little mistake there I guess I'm just so hyped on getting a mac already

Anyways thanks for the warm welcome - and I'll consider the stocks... I'm not very keen on that area!
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Have any of you guys checked at the discussion forums at Apple? They might have sold 2 millions copies of Leopard in the first weekend, but from the looks of the support forums there are thousands of unhappy Mac users with the blue screen of death. I bought Leopard Saturday, put the disc in my computer (PowerPC G5), but it won't even get to the install screen. It installed perfectly though on my girlfriend's laptop. I even reinstalled Tiger for a fresh start, then tried Leopard again. ...hours of a grey screen. I tried starting up from the disc but my computer just isn't recognizing it. A coworker bought a copy but after the install his computer won't even boot up! I'm sure the majority were problem free installs, but from the looks of the Leopard discussions on Apple's site, they should have maybe done some more beta testing. I'll probably have to go to the Genius Bar or wait for the dust to clear. Any of you have any similar problems?

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At backtomac, digitalclips and solipism

Oh yeah, that is right! Thanks for reminding me, could've made a little mistake there I guess I'm just so hyped on getting a mac already

Anyways thanks for the warm welcome - and I'll consider the stocks... I'm not very keen on that area!

yvw And believe me they last well, my 1984 Mac Plus is sitting here next to my PB
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Been using Windows, and still am, for ... let's see... about 10 years (I'm 18).

The last couple of months, I've been following apple and I'm totally convinced that my next computer will be a mac. Just waiting for the pay to get in! (TOMORROW )

Also trying to convince my friends to switch, but they're really kinda stuck up, and think macs are weird. But I'm sure they'll switch sooner or later, after I bring my macbook with Leopard to school!

Welcome aboard Halenissen. I've been using Macs since 1986 and do a lot of tech support for them. My 21 yr old son just bought a MacBook Pro. He's a big WOW and StarCraft fan. Send me a message with your email and I'll hook you up with him if you like those games. He just got a bunch of his friends setup on iChatAV.
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I've not heard of a lot of people getting blue screens installing OS X.

OS X doesn't give blue screens.

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The irony is if you want to run Windows fast with an off-the-shelf laptop...

Get a Mac.

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I don't think it's proper to copy and paste large amounts of text when the link will do fine fine.

So sorry Jeff, I didn't get the link till later and added it in edit, only had the text to start with.
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post #33 of 52
the best deal on leopard is at micro center, with a $40 rebate, not amazon

http://www.microcenter.com/single_pr...uct_id=0275835
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First post I see, congratulations.

i've been a mac user since the quadra 660av,
and i've been reading posts here for a long time.
figure i'd finally post something after frustrations with leopard.
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Welcome aboard Halenissen. I've been using Macs since 1986 and do a lot of tech support for them. My 21 yr old son just bought a MacBook Pro. He's a big WOW and StarCraft fan. Send me a message with your email and I'll hook you up with him if you like those games. He just got a bunch of his friends setup on iChatAV.

Cool. Thanks for the invite, but I just quit WoW 4 months ago. Not going back there Thanks for the welcome though
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How can Amazon USA offer such a good discount? In Japan they only offer a 1% discount.

Price fixing?

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sales volume, i guess.

Nope, not strictly sales volume and not strictly price fixing. The relevant question is how Amazon sells for less than Apple's "suggested" list price, not why the price is higher in Japan.

Apple is among a small group of companies which still practices what I think used to be called "fair trade pricing," though that's more often applied today to goods that certify that things like organic coffee beans from Nicaragua move through the distribution chain in such a way that the third world growers get a fair proportion of the ultimate selling price at your local coffee shop.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_trade and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggested_retail_price

Such companies generally do not allow their resellers to cut the MSRP price on their products, which is why, unlike HP, Toshiba, etc., you never see Macs "on sale" or "close out" at your local independent Mac seller, let alone at Apple's company-owned stores, and only token discounts at Mac Mall and other catalog and online outlets. The independent vendors compensate, generally, by offering bundles of other products which are not semi-price controlled, like printers, scanners, software, etc. So they thus have a way to compete on price without "cutting" the advertised price of the Mac in the middle of the bundle, i.e., they eat their margins on the bundle to sell the Mac.

According to Wikipedia, the law that supports this has changed, but they're not very detailed about how or how Apple (and to an extent BOSE and a few others) can continue this practice.

This has been a long-standing practice at Apple, though I don't know when it began, and it has both helped and hurt them at various times. It was especially not useful to them during their period of experimenting with Mac clones when they were severely undercut by their licensees. The licensees had to compete with each other, with PC's and with Apple itself, and they had to get their product into stores and catalogs. And their main market strategy began to mirror that of PC makers: compete in a commodity market with commodity razor-thin margins pricing. In the meantime, "real Macs" stubbornly stayed at full retail, but had no real advantage except in design and then-fading cachet.

So Apple was pinned to the wall by shrinking market share, by a limited OS, by a limited CPU and then another limited CPU (680x0 and then Power PC), by competing with their own licensees, and by a pricing strategy that was diametrically opposed to their licensing strategy. And it almost sunk the company.

Now, as the hottest corp on the planet, and able to use a combination of secrecy about future product releases and high product demand to "clear out the inventory channel," so they never have left-over product TO "close out," a closed Apple with set prices is able to maintain profit margins Dell and HP would kill for, which offsets their relatively smaller sales with enough R&D capital to compete against mass marketing behemoths.

If you don't like Apple's margins, you can always buy a PC, and Apple's in little apparent danger of monopoly prosecution with less than 8% of the personal computer US market share. So while the model's working this well, don't expect any change. And don't expect any "sales" of Apple-branded products at Apple stores.

Which brings us to Amazon, the only company I know of which actually has offered significant price cuts (sometimes in the form of "rebates") across a wide spectrum of Apple products. I once bought a Mac from them at less than the "student" price, and now they're blasting Leopard out at a good discount.

One might suspect that they must account for a significant portion of Apple sales, maybe the biggest of any reseller, and therefore have leverage with Apple Inc. to the point that they can flout Steve's policies without incurring either public wrath or being cut off of their reseller status. Maybe someone else in the thread has more inside details.

But whatever, there's Apple pricing almost everywhere else (but see below) and then there's Amazon Apple pricing.

This may be changing, at least on some software, as this thread contains a link to a smaller seller offering a $40 rebate on Leopard, and I saw a reference to a price of $99 elsewhere, but to date Amazon's the only place I've ever seen a big hardware rebate on Macs.

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According to Wikipedia, the law that supports this has changed, but they're not very detailed about how or how Apple (and to an extent BOSE and a few others) can continue this practice.

It might just be that they give smaller discounts to retailers so there's less room to cut the price. Apple is rumored to have among the smallest retailer discounts in the computer industry.
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Has anyone tried making a clone of there Time Machine back up yet? So far it has failed with Finder, Carbon Copy Cloner and Super Duper.

You may think I am crazy to want to copy a back up; but the first back up is very slow (once done it is fast) and I wanted to experiment with Airport Extreme Wi Fi backup. In case i screwed up the first backup done directly (a way to get APE to work we think) in testing this theory I tried to clone it but no dice.

If anyone knows how to let me know

The first back up is always going to be slow. The subsequent backups are equivalent to database snapshots where only the changes are recorded. Enterprise Object Frameworks (EOF) had this back in 96.
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How can Amazon USA offer such a good discount?

Actually amazon didn't have the best deal. Other retailers had better offers like MacMall and LA Computer. We only paid 99.00 for our copy
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I've not heard of a lot of people getting blue screens installing OS X.

OS X doesn't give blue screens.


Apparently, according the Mac Core and Tyical Mac User podcasts, it does at some points. Unless they spoke metaphorically and it's really just a grey screen???

Also as pointed out elsewhere, many of the problems may be due to some code from Unsanity Software, used by them and a number of other ISV's which goes under the acronym of "APE" (Application ?? Enhancer) to juice up their Mac Apps. The existing APE was not Leopard compatible on Wednesday, and the ISV's don't always tell buyers it's being installed -- and more to the point, it is not removed by dragging the the App it enhances to the recycle bin.

According to Wikipedia:

"With the release of Mac OS X Leopard several users began to report problems with their upgraded systems.[2]. The problems occurred when using the "Upgrade" option rather than the "clean" or "Archive and Install" option. Symptoms included hour long "blue screens" on restart and systems hung inoperable for hours at a time. Users gradually discovered the error and were able to fix it by booting into single user mode and removing all vestiges of the Application Enhancer framework. On 27 October 2007 Unsanity alerted mailing list subscribers of the issue and advised them to have the latest version of the Application Enhancer framework installed prior to installing or upgrading to Leopard[3].

Unsanity recommends that users wishing to install Mac OS X 10.5 should upgrade their version of APE to v2.0.3 prior to the OS installation."

Further, many of the problems may be on machines where users are NOT doing Archive and Install or Erase and Install.

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I still don't understand why people feel the need to pretend there is some kind of battle going on between Windows and OSx they do not even compete in an open market, until OSx is available to install on any system it's not in competition with Windows.

Windows users for the most part don't even know anything about Leopard, so the claim that the tide is changing and we are going to see numbers beyond our wildest dream is stupid, we won't see numbers any higher than users that have Apple hardware. Its a pretty simple number to figure out.

Maybe, maybe not. See, e.g., Mac Observer.

And many users of Vista ARE "downgrading" to XP even after MS has had a year to spiff it up and for people to adapt to the "improvements." (After 20 years of MS computing, I can't figure out IE 7 to save my life or even find things like page refresh -- and it has the "ribbon" interface that Office '07 touts, though I've never tried it.) Let alone deal with all the warning pop-ups that seem to occur constantly.

The article also has a few good comments. One Brit gave this ringing defense of Vista: it's "not a total bag of spanners."

We're not yet at a time, and probably won't ever be, though stranger things have happened in history, when Steve Jobs is beseeched the masses saying, "we can't afford Macs," and replies, "Well then, let them run Vista."

But the way things are going I don't think a 15-20% US Apple personal computer market share (gradually echoed mostly world-wide) is out of the question. Which would be an amazing accomplishment for a company many had written off and which has to R&D all its own hardware AND core software.

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