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FolderGlance

which I already mentioned/suggested earlier but people were apparently too preoccupied to notice.
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Originally Posted by elroth View Post

Folder Glance - I didn't like it much when I tried it in Tiger.

What didn't you like about it simply as an alternative to browsable Dock folders, ignoring its other features?
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What didn't you like about it simply as an alternative to browsable Dock folders, ignoring its other features?

Good question. I never really used it for that purpose, so it's probably worth checking into.
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Your brain is ill-founded. You are the perfect example of the worst kind of "Apple-can-do-no-wrong-fanboy".


Apple is the best OS maker. They have made a new OS to the best standard humanly possible.

What is your problem with the human race? Do you think Michael Johnson is a slow runner? Do you make a habit of complaining about the best efforts of the human race? Screw that. Apple is doing a great job. You want stability, I suggest a great product called OS X 10.4. You want an experimental new release with some bugs, try 10.5. They are both the best in the world at what they do.

Are you the best at what you do?
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Finally, you sound like one of those US politicians who always respond to criticism by saying, the US is the best Country in the World. Even if that were true, does that mean it cannot be better and that we shouldn't strive to make it better?


Absolutely, but we should not belly-ache about a 1 week old OS lacking 1 feature, and go around insulting the best efforts of aapl OS engineers generally.

But no matter. They will correct these issues and even the most fervent complainers will be happy. 10.4 made us all happy, I am willing to bet.
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Why would you want to replace these superior GUI qualities with those of an inferior one?

The fugly blue speckled recycled folders that pollute my computer landscape are superior?
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These forums should be filled with complaints about the dock.

The loss of hierarchical folder access has made a lot of users' workflows horribly inefficient. There is simply no justification for the loss of such highly relied upon functionality. Stacks can be useful. But it is obvious that apple made a number of interface blunders in implementing them.

One of the reasons that the mac platform has maintained a superior GUI is the culture of mac users. We won't settle for merely "ok". When it is obvious that apple has screwed up, we will complain long and hard. We'll keep at it until apple corrects the problem.

And whoever came up with "Stacks" should be #%^$^%@$!!!!!
Just what I needed was a DR.SEUSS animation of my files. STUPID!
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The fugly blue speckled recycled folders that pollute my computer landscape are superior?

IMO, they are more professional and conservative than the tutti-fruity ones in 10.4 and lower. I like them better. And I don't see the big deal because they are easy to change.
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He speaks for me. The loss of hierarchal menus in the Leopard Dock has made me postpone my intended purchase of a new laptop. Jobs demonstrated hierarchal menus in the Dock when OSX first came out. I use the feature quite a bit. Leopard's stacks might be fine for some, but for others this is a complete step backwards. Apple should know this, and should have provided users with an option to retain Tiger's Dock functionality.

They don't have to provide an alternative. Your choice is to develop/buy an alternative, file a wish list bug report or switch platforms.

If that makes or breaks a platform for you so be it.

Bitching on this platform without filing a report is like clapping with one hand.
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And whoever came up with "Stacks" should be #%^$^%@$!!!!!
Just what I needed was a DR.SEUSS animation of my files. STUPID!

You're a shill.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/searc...earchid=157281

Your entire listing is evident of this. I won't even waste the time in how one can be more productive when you organize stacks correctly.
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I am no whiner: I love Apple and Leopard ... This is my only really negative comment too. I suspect either Apple will restore this ability or there will be (maybe already is) a third party add on to give us this back.

I have So many apps I use daily for my multi-media work that the Dock is reserved for just a few main items like Mail and Safari. All Adobe CS3, all Apple Pro, Quicktime related, Server Admin, FTP stuff, etc. were in nested folders accessed from various pop up folders in the dock in Tiger.

Now I am wasting way too much time accessing applications. I also need to drag documents onto application's icons as I often want to force open in an alternative application from the creator and again the previous spring loaded folders in the doc were for this perfect, alas now i have no simple way to do this.

Anyone know a stable Leopard friendly third party dock add on to restore the Tiger method?

After posting, I researched a few alternatives for pop-up folders in the dock. There a few extraneous one (in my small opinion), and then there looks like a simple one, here. It's called MoofMenu, and it looks fairly simple. Kind of remeniscent to the Apple Menu back in OS 9. I haven't tried this one yet (don't have Leopard yet), but it looks like a good possible replacement.

I too hope that Apple will restore this capability, but if they don't, let me know if this works out for ya, or if you find a better solution.
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I too hope that Apple will restore this capability, but if they don't, let me know if this works out for ya, or if you find a better solution.

Check "Macworld: Mac Gems: Leopard's first tweaks" for other suggestions.
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Apple is the best OS maker.

True.

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They have made a new OS to the best standard humanly possible.

Not true. Just because Apple is better than the others, it doesn't logically follow that they are doing the absolute best possible.

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What is your problem with the human race?

Now there's a non-sequitur if ever I saw one! But since you asked - my problem is that whilst it is capable of some seriously impressive stuff, it is also collectively massively stupid (i.e., taken as a whole, the human race is effectively behaving like bacteria on a petri-dish, endlessly reproducing and using up all available resources until they wipe themselves out through a combination of having no more resources and living with their own poisonous waste).


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Are you the best at what you do?

Again, since you asked: I got the top equal first in my Electrical and Electronic Engineering Masters degree. Referring back to my previous statement about Apple, just because I got the top first, it doesn't mean I did the best I could have. I had the capability to get overall marks, averaged over the four years, of over 90%, but I didn't actually get anywhere near that due to laziness.
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After posting, I researched a few alternatives for pop-up folders in the dock. There a few extraneous one (in my small opinion), and then there looks like a simple one, here. It's called MoofMenu, and it looks fairly simple. Kind of remeniscent to the Apple Menu back in OS 9. I haven't tried this one yet (don't have Leopard yet), but it looks like a good possible replacement.

I too hope that Apple will restore this capability, but if they don't, let me know if this works out for ya, or if you find a better solution.

Thanks MuncyWeb, I will try this today.
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IMO, they are more professional and conservative than the tutti-fruity ones in 10.4 and lower. I like them better. And I don't see the big deal because they are easy to change.

If you have found any 512 X 512 icon sets for Leo... Please post the link.
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If you have found any 512 X 512 icon sets for Leo... Please post the link.

Unfortunately, I have not. I'm using icons made for 10.4
But if you are willing to use these, a great site to get them (and background pics) is interfacelift.com.
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After posting, I researched a few alternatives for pop-up folders in the dock. There a few extraneous one (in my small opinion), and then there looks like a simple one, here. It's called MoofMenu, and it looks fairly simple. Kind of remeniscent to the Apple Menu back in OS 9. I haven't tried this one yet (don't have Leopard yet), but it looks like a good possible replacement.

I too hope that Apple will restore this capability, but if they don't, let me know if this works out for ya, or if you find a better solution.

Feedback:

Well the app is nice in works well for selecting an app in a nested folder. However, it doesn't spring open as Tiger dock folder did so one cannot drag a document so as to force open in an alternative app (such as a jpg in Photoshop CS2 instead of CS3 etc.).

Given this is part of my normal work flow I am back to square one, but I appreciate the link and for just opening apps it is very nice and easy to use.
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post #98 of 112
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It's a real shame that Apple has chosen to ignore the SERIOUS problems with the "folder side" of the dock in Leopard, and has chosen not to fix any of these dock problems. Namely, the loss of hierarchical navigation in folders, the loss of folders' abilities to display custom icons (without a tedious workaround), and the ability to turn OFF stacks. Horrible changes which have made Leopard completely unusable for us and many others... yet Apple refuses to ignore these issues.

There aren't hierchical folders on the 10.5 Dock? You're kidding me. I'm not upgrading until they fix that. Unless the 10.4 Dock works flawlessly and doesn't mess anything up?

I'm writing to them now. I urge everyone else to use Feedback on this. It's a serious, serious workflow problem. And it seems intentional...in other words, unless people write to Apple they won't fix this. This is nuts. The first thing I do for new Mac users is put the hard drive in the Dock "See, it's your Start menu". And of course for myself. I go through a dozen+ levels daily and even hourly.
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post #99 of 112
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There aren't hierchical folders on the 10.5 Dock?

Where've you been? There's hardly any discussion of Leopard that doesn't eventually mention that!

(yawn)
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And whoever came up with "Stacks" should be #%^$^%@$!!!!!
Just what I needed was a DR.SEUSS animation of my files. STUPID!

Yes, the jutting "penis-curve" of Stacks is remarkably annoying and is little if any help in navigating folders containing many hundreds of other folders.

Clicking on a Dock means being force-fed icon view in one damned ugly pinkish window. What is that all about?
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Changes I would make in 10.5.1 include...

1. A slider in the Appearance pain of System Preferences that let you adjust the opacity of the menu bar, along with a check box that offers a user to have the menu bar solid (from transparent) when the mouse is using the menu bar. I don't mind the semi-transparent look. What bugs me is that when I mouse into the menu bar, I feel that the menu bar should become solid. I think Office does this with some palettes.

2. In the Dock preference pain of System Preferences, there should be an option to disable/enable the 3D dock no matter whether the dock is placed on the left, right, or bottom of the screen. But more importantly I think the dock should have an option to allow hierarchical folders to be placed in the dock and display with the speed that stacks presents information. In Tiger and before this wasn't always fast if you had a lot of items in that folder.

3. There needs to be a way to adjust the order that those sections appear in the Finder sidebar, and there absolutely should be a way to adjust the font size on them too.

4. I like the idea of the poster above who said that we should be able to define a different desktop background picture for each space, and we should be able to adjust the animation involved used to change that space. I can see how the animation might get in some people's way.

5. The style of the 10.4 firewall was a little better and more straightforward. I would regress the Firewall setup to adopt the Tiger's ease of use.

6. The Finder show path bar option is lacking very important functionality in my opinion: It does not allow you to click on any of the items in the path! It requires more mousing if you want to get to a certain spot in the path in the Finder. Putting the path bar icon in the toolbar of Finder windows is good, but not as good as it would be to just click the folder in the path.

7. I dislike the keyboard shortcut to move between tabbed conversations in iChat. It's awkward. Whatever solution Apple comes up with would be an improvement. And it should also be implemented in Safari too.
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You do know "Leo" is commonly associated with a Lion, short for Leonard(o), etc.? Using it as an abbreviation for Leopard is just wrong, especially if Apple decides to use Lion for a future OS X big cat marketing name.

Ocelot might make a good name for the next OS iteration.

It just occurred to me why OS X versions are named after cats. Cat owners know how difficult it is to get a cat to do anything but what the cat wants to do. Isn't that right, Duddits? My daughter gave me a mug with this on it: 'Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.'

I haven't upgraded to Leopard, but I hope that the Trash has something I've wanted: a way to empty specific items and leave the rest. Does it? If not, does anyone know of a 3P utility that can do it?
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Does it? If not, does anyone know of a 3P utility that can do it?

Not a third party utility:

Terminal
  1. Launch Terminal
  2. Type "rm " (without the quotes, there is a space after rm)
  3. Open trash in the finder
  4. Select the items you want to delete
  5. Drag them to the Terminal
  6. With Terminal active, press return.
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Apple is the best OS maker. They have made a new OS to the best standard humanly possible.

What is your problem with the human race? Do you think Michael Johnson is a slow runner? Do you make a habit of complaining about the best efforts of the human race? Screw that. Apple is doing a great job. You want stability, I suggest a great product called OS X 10.4. You want an experimental new release with some bugs, try 10.5. They are both the best in the world at what they do.

Are you the best at what you do?

Honestly dude. This is probably the worst OS update from Apple most Mac users have ever seen. Most bugs by far anyway. That might be why people like myself that have been using the OS since OS 7 think it's a bit rugged for Apple. Personally I think it's because Avi Tevanian is no longer with the company. It shows. I was hoping that if Steve Jobs ever decided to leave he would take the helm.
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Not a third party utility:

Terminal
  1. Launch Terminal
  2. Type "rm " (without the quotes, there is a space after rm)
  3. Open trash in the finder
  4. Select the items you want to delete
  5. Drag them to the Terminal
  6. With Terminal active, press return.

Many thanks!
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Thanks, Mr. H
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Changes I would make in 10.5.1 include....

Well done. I'd add:

8. Return Bluetooth functionality to the Address Book. I cannot understand why this was removed.

9. Allow management of the Finder window left hand pane. I know this might mean that everything isn't iTunesy anymore but seriously, the OS could use a little less teenage glitter.

10. Every time the OS senses an install, permissions should automatically be rebuilt/repaired. Why is this even abandoned to the user base after all these years?

11. Update folders dynamically when the contents get changed. This should have been fixed in Panther, I can't believe it's still on the bug list.

12. Work with printer and scanner manufacturers to expedite support in the OS. It is pathetic and abysmal the lack of driver and software support for these types of peripherals.

13. Get rid of the curvy Stacks penis thing immediately. This cannot be done fast enough.
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Honestly dude. This is probably the worst OS update from Apple most Mac users have ever seen. Most bugs by far anyway. That might be why people like myself that have been using the OS since OS 7 think it's a bit rugged for Apple. Personally I think it's because Avi Tevanian is no longer with the company. It shows. I was hoping that if Steve Jobs ever decided to leave he would take the helm.

Agreed. And its also because Apple Inc's focus is off computers solely now and all tied up with that damn phone and it's whiners.
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Spaces works just fine with the 10.4-style (and superior) dock.

And how do I do that?
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Honestly dude. This is probably the worst OS update from Apple most Mac users have ever seen. Most bugs by far anyway. That might be why people like myself that have been using the OS since OS 7 think it's a bit rugged for Apple. Personally I think it's because Avi Tevanian is no longer with the company. It shows. I was hoping that if Steve Jobs ever decided to leave he would take the helm.

Weren't you one of the people clamoring for Apple to release 10.5 in October rather than pushing the release date back?
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6. The Finder show path bar option is lacking very important functionality in my opinion: It does not allow you to click on any of the items in the path! It requires more mousing if you want to get to a certain spot in the path in the Finder.

You need to double-click the folder in the path bar to select it. I guess they wanted to avoid issues with accidental clicks.
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Honestly dude. This is probably the worst OS update from Apple most Mac users have ever seen. Most bugs by far anyway. That might be why people like myself that have been using the OS since OS 7 think it's a bit rugged for Apple. Personally I think it's because Avi Tevanian is no longer with the company. It shows. I was hoping that if Steve Jobs ever decided to leave he would take the helm.

I'm no Apple Fan-boy by any means as I run Windows and Macs and develop for Windows and BlackBerry, but as a long time Apple user (since 1990) and a former Apple employee who both used Copland and several horrible 7.x and 8.x OS's, Leopard is the best OS Apple has ever made. It definitely needed another month to polish off (and those who say it needed more simply don't know any better - you'll see with 10.5.1), but the OS itself is awesome. I do wish Stacks was a bit more polished, but the decisions Apple made that you don't like as listed in this thread were done for a very good reason. You may not agree, but you don't know all the facts.
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