Blu-ray vs. HD DVD (2008) - Page 4

Originally Posted by bitemymac

When HDM players can decode TrueHD, then the player can decode TrueHD into multi-channel PCM via HDMI to the AVR. There's no need to upgrade your receiver since the HDM players are able to do decode DD+ & TrueHD and deliver HiDef audio.

Originally Posted by Walter Slocombe

Do you SERIOUSLY believe that M$ has "sold" 15 million units? shipped maybe, but how many of those are going to replace broken units?

Originally Posted by Walter Slocombe

at an apparent failure rate of one third, well one third of 15 million is 5 million, which would equate to m$ only having shipped 10 million units that are actually functional.

Originally Posted by Walter Slocombe

its well documented that m$ post the shipped units figures and then post the sold units per month to get double coverage, and one does not equal the other.

Originally Posted by onlooker

Both are seemingly identical until you look at Disk Space available and durability. Blu Ray kills in both, and disk space is an obvious benefit for the future as is durability.

Originally Posted by mobilesalesman

So why not stamp the both formats one on each side and avoid this wasted war which has prevented most from experiencing true HD?

Originally Posted by Cam'ron

So the receiver doesn't need to have Dolby TrueHD if the Player is decoding it? What does it output it as then? PCM? So to clarify, these receivers that are 7.1 with HDMI video switching (but not 1.3 for Dolby True HD) can still play the True HD audio tracks from the players? I've been holding out for a $1200 receiver for nothing?

Anyone know of a sleeker receiver out there? I don't want one with every video and audio input ever conceived, just HDMI, maybe component, less of the other crap.

Originally Posted by mobilesalesman

They have been going back and forth on which is better and to me there is no clear winner yet. As far as disc space, Of course, "the HD-DVD camp has approved a new spec for a 51 GB disc or TL 51 disc which has more storage capacity than Blu-Rays BD 50 disc."

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Originally Posted by kupan787

Documentation? I know they have had a lot of issues, but 1/3? And the ones that do fail, don't fail immediately (they aren't shipping non-functional units). I have a group of 10 friends, and there was only 1 failure in the bunch. Maybe we all got lucky, or maybe the RROD rate is closer to 1/5 or 1/10.

Nearly one in every three Xbox 360 consoles fail, according to retailer reports

Originally Posted by Fishyesque

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=7892



It's a good read.

Originally Posted by at Amazon By Talkstr8t (Los Altos, CA USA)

Blu-ray version has extra content, December 5, 2007
For those of you with both high-def formats, you should be aware that the Blu-ray version not only has over twice as much bonus content, but it's in full 1080p video. The HD DVD version bonus content is only in 480p (DVD quality). The Blu-ray version also has over a dozen foreign language tracks, while the HD DVD version only has three.

Originally Posted by onlooker

51GB? Pfft.. BR had a 200GB disk over a year ago before there was any players available. Who knows what tech demo's they have by now. Why bother fighting. The battle has already been won by Blu Ray. It's inevitable. 200GB Blu Ray disks

Originally Posted by onlooker

Just noticed that Blu Ray capacity is already seeing benefits on very popular titles.

Harry Potter, and the Order of the Phoenix.


That's a big deal IMO.

Originally Posted by hmurchison

And this helps me how? We now have enough empirical evidence (HD DVD "The Prestige" vs Blu-ray "The Prestige" , Natures Journey etc) which shows no benefit to the additional 20GB of space. So the whol "who's dyck is bigger" size battle is superfluous at best.

Yeah the battle has already been won just like Blu-ray said back at CES 2007

With all of its capacity, the Blu-ray disc will hold the entire Pirates film and all of the extras in full 1080p. In the HD DVD version, the outtakes and other goodies are rendered in standard def.

There is good news on the HD DVD front, however. Digital Playground claims to be the first shop to release a dual-layer adult video. The company’s Island Fever 4 originally shipped in a multidisc set. “To fit it all in there, you needed three discs,” Joone laments. “We’re the first company to do dual layer, so it all fits on one disc. It makes for a better user experience because now they don’t have to change the disc in the middle of the video.”

I hate that.

Originally Posted by Cam'ron

I'm pretty sure, hmurch, you were the one orgasming over the benefits of superior extras for 300 on hd-DVD. And, why wouldn't you want your extras at the PROPER resolution? Give. E a break, this IS a benefit, no matter which way you slice it. No chest beating, just figures and wanting of this war to be over.

Originally Posted by onlooker

Try fitting a full season of a TV series on an HD-DVD in the future. Not gonna happen.

Originally Posted by hmurchison

So a 51GB HD DVD disc is somehow going to hold less than 50GB. Can you tell me how this is possible?

Do I not have Heroes, BSG, Smallville and Star Trek on HD DVD already? I've heard no complaints from content providers.

Let me know when 200GB discs are ratified for Blu-ray chief.

Originally Posted by hmurchison

So a 51GB HD DVD disc is somehow going to hold less than 50GB. Can you tell me how this is possible?

Originally Posted by marzetta7

I'll begin the speculation for 2008 by stating...

1) I think Blu-ray will have continued to dominate through Q4 of 2007 with a 72:28 overall ratio.

2) Given the shutout in sales that was handed to HD DVD for all of 2007, Warner will announce Blu-ray exclusivity going forward.

3) Apple will announce Blu-ray integrated hardware at Macworld 2008.

4) Universal, the staunch HD DVD backer will announce neutrality in March of 2008.

5) Paramount, left in the dark, cold, abyss that will have been the HD DVD format due to their poor decision in taking the Microsoft & Toshiba & Co. bribe, will go Blu-ray as well, sooner if they have stipulations in the cotract that will allow them to opt out of their 18 month agreement or much later until the 18 month agreement expires. They walked away with a $150 million dollar bribe in 2007, but at what cost did they give up Blu-ray royalties for the future? No one knows but them, but regardless, they will go Blu.

6) Toshiba, after June, will also capitulate and join the Blu-ray fray given the huge losses Toshiba has encountered due to selling their hardware at a loss.

7) By Q4 2008, we have a unified format in Blu-ray, and everyone wins, with the best technological solution for high-def and one supported by the majority of the industry.

8) Microsoft continues to attempt interjecting their codecs and HDi interactivity into the high-def landscape, but unsuccessfully as H.264/AVC and BD-J are the de-facto standard via the unified Blu-ray format.

9) Apple releases a new AppleTV complete with DVR functionality and BD-R drive.

Originally Posted by shetline

I'm hoping if and when one format beats out the other, someone will figure out a way to transfer content (either an officially-sanctioned conversion, or a DRM-breaking hack will do fine by me) from one format to the other.

Of course, I'm hoping that further into the future we'll be able to rip hi-def discs of any format and store their content on multi-terabyte media servers. I suspect that will happen before the internet has the bandwidth for high-quality on-demand HD movies.

Originally Posted by marzetta7

At the very least, the BDA has working prototypes of BD 100s and BD 200s, too bad the same can't be said for TL-51...so tell me again how your comparison has any validity?...

Originally Posted by Cam'ron

I bought Blade Runner on Blu-Ray and it wastes five disks, why is this? Do they use five disks because the HD-DVD version does the same? So pointless, it could have been done on, at most, 4. There are two disks that basically contain extras, why not make that one? Btw, the high def cases definitely are more efficient, space wise.

Originally Posted by Cam'ron

I bought Blade Runner on Blu-Ray and it wastes five disks, why is this? Do they use five disks because the HD-DVD version does the same? So pointless, it could have been done on, at most, 4. There are two disks that basically contain extras, why not make that one? Btw, the high def cases definitely are more efficient, space wise.

Originally Posted by hmurchison


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Frankly if you're not willing to own both formats then your motives are suspect. You certainly don't love movies. I'll do what it takes to have full access. If Costco has a Blu-ray player for $250 next year it's coming home with me.

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Originally Posted by onlooker

That blade Runner series has only one (the main disk) High Definition disk in the set right? I heard the rest of the disks we all DVD's. Hence the price is $63.00

Originally Posted by marzetta7

You flip flop more than John Kerry.

Originally Posted by OldCodger73

Ridiculous! I also love watching movies and if the title I want isn't available in my HDM of choice then I'll gladly watch it on DVD or even LD.

Originally Posted by OldCodger73

All the discs are BD. I think all four of the movies, on two discs, are 1080p, the two special feature discs are 480i or 480p and disc 5, the Workprint may or may not be 480i or 480p.

The price at Best Buy for the 5-disc Collector's Edition was $34.99.

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Well, everything works in your favor if your going to continue to change your stance on subjects of the format war. In 2006 you didn't give a rip about extras, in 2007, as HD DVD talking points most assuredly dwindled, you do a 180 and claim how important extras are (because it is a perceived advantage by HD DVD proponents)...and now, that we are approaching 2008 you do another 180 and have come full circle as the "extras" talking point of HD DVD now has dwindled too and are back to not giving a rip about extras...

You flip flop more than John Kerry.

Originally Posted by marzetta7

I wish I was Steve Jobs......or at least had his income anyhow...

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Cam'ron

I don't want my movies stored on HDD though. I want a physical, tangible medium. I want cases and I want a collection. You don't want everything on one disc but you want them on one disc (hard drive), that makes a lot of sense. I want mine stored on an optical format and be able to back them up on a HDD.